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Commander Kinsey

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Mar 8, 2023, 1:08:37 AM3/8/23
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:28:35 -0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On 28/02/2023 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
>> <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:op.101j6...@ryzen.home...
>>>
>>>>> So they couldn't explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
>>>>> sky? WTF?
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. It's weird that they survived for so long without words to
>>>> differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
>>>> various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
>>>> are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
>>>> thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
>>>> blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual names.
>>>
>>> Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
>>> there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
>>> green, blue and violet.
>>>
>>> Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
>>> a magic number.
>>
>> Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
>> name more colors it's arbitrary.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell
>
> From the diagram on the right, it's more like blue, greeny-yellow and
> yellow if you measure the sensitivities at different frequencies.

I call bullshit. If the lowest frequency detector was yellow, how do we see red? And why does the RGB system on TVs work so well?

> We can perceive a lot more colours by comparing the relative signals
> from the different cones.

I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy or accurate?

> How we name them is up to us, according to how important they are.
>
>> Retinas vary a lot between individuals too, especially males.
>
> Many (mostly male) humans have only two kinds of cones: blue and yellow,
> which is what most mammals have.

It's nowhere near "many".

> Males with just the two kinds of cones (referred to a red/green
> colour-blind) can see about three distinct colours in the spectrum
> instead of six.

Females sometimes have 4.

Max Demian

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(a) The frequencies represent the peaks of the curves. You will see from
the diagram that both of the yellow sensitive cones have tails that
extend well into the red. We see red by comparing the relative levels of
the two. People with only one type of yellow cone can't do this, which
is why they can't tell red from green.

(b) I suspect that any three well separated colours would work. Maybe
RGB was chosen as phosphors and dyes for those colours are available, or
maybe because "famous scientist" Maxwell said that we see red, blue and
green.

>> We can perceive a lot more colours by comparing the relative signals
>> from the different cones.
>
> I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy?  Are they being fussy
> or accurate?
>
>> How we name them is up to us, according to how important they are.
>>
>>> Retinas vary a lot between individuals too, especially males.
>>
>> Many (mostly male) humans have only two kinds of cones: blue and yellow,
>> which is what most mammals have.
>
> It's nowhere near "many".

My other post links to the Wiki article on colour blindness. It's about 8%

>> Males with just the two kinds of cones (referred to a red/green
>> colour-blind) can see about three distinct colours in the spectrum
>> instead of six.
>
> Females sometimes have 4.

Showoffs.

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John Larkin

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Mar 8, 2023, 10:13:37 AM3/8/23
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:33:34 +0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com>
There are clearly differences in male/female color vision. There are
other diffrences, which is nice.



Peeler

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> (a) The frequencies represent the peaks of the curves. You will see from

Is this still the idiotic "circuit breakers" thread, you idiotic trolling
and trashing senile SHITHEAD?

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rbowman

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


> I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
> or accurate?

They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
describe colors. All I know about teal is they're tasty if you manage to
shoot one.

Cindy Hamilton

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On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
>> or accurate?
>
> They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
> describe colors.

I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

> All I know about teal is they're tasty if you manage to shoot one.

I can't believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more
about the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and
mauve.

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Scott Lurndal

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Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> writes:
>On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:08:29 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wonder why women tend to be more colour fussy? Are they being fussy
>>> or accurate?
>>
>> They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
>> describe colors.
>
>I prefer to use the names assigned by Crayola.

The canonical source for color naming is Pantone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone


Peeler

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> They are willing to utter the bullshit names marketers come up with to
> describe colors. All I know about teal is they're tasty if you manage to
> shoot one.

All I know is that you are a more obnoxious blabbermouth and gossip than any
woman, you endlessly gossiping senile washerwoman!

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The Natural Philosopher

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>All I know about teal is they're tasty if you manage to
> shoot one.
Best wild duck I ever tasted. They dint eat pondweed. They eat estuary
shrimp


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Cindy Hamilton

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Mar 8, 2023, 12:49:51 PM3/8/23
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It depends on your discipline and location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart

I'm happy with the RGB value.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Was it? I was too busy to notice.
I think the most pretentious one is 'taupe'

rbowman

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


> I can't believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more about
> the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.

I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.
Oh, purple, sort of. I went though the '80s without a woman hanging around
the house. They know about that sort of stuff. Well, maybe not my ex. She
never cared about House Beautiful and afaik she never wore makeup in her
life.

In my dotage I've taken to building models of German WWII armor and have
been introduced to the Tamiya rack at the hobby store. Ye Gods...

https://www.tamiyausa.com/shop/paints/bottles/

The Germans built some fine tanks but luckily they didn't let Eva Braun
select the color schemes and I can go by the numbers.

rbowman

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:49:45 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart
>
> I'm happy with the RGB value.

One of the available theme for our product really is teal, so called. I
coded in #008080 and it wasn't a match. I hunted down the programmer and
asked wtf? not very gently. Turns out his boss didn't like the color
everybody else calls teal so he screwed around with the values until he
got something that was acceptable and called it teal.

There are two other sort of blueish choices that I can barely distinguish.

Another product had strange color combination until I figured out it was
the flag of India.

rbowman

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On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:50:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Was it? I was too busy to notice.
> I think the most pretentious one is 'taupe'

Had to look that up too. Mouse colored doesn't sound like it would go over
with the fashionistas. Better than naked mole-rat I guess.

Peeler

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> One of the available theme for our product really is teal, so called. I
> coded in #008080 and it wasn't a match. I hunted down the programmer and

Another thrilling account from your dramatic life, drama queen? Why do I
even ask! LOL

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Peeler

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> Had to look that up too. Mouse colored doesn't sound like it would go over
> with the fashionistas. Better than naked mole-rat I guess.

Perfect occasion for you though to "shine" with your pathological
grandiloquence again, bigmouth! ;-)

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Peeler

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> I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.

Yeah, that will be another thrilling story from your interesting life, drama
queen! LOL

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Cindy Hamilton

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On 2023-03-09, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>> I can't believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more about
>> the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.
>
> I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.
> Oh, purple, sort of. I went though the '80s without a woman hanging around
> the house. They know about that sort of stuff. Well, maybe not my ex. She
> never cared about House Beautiful and afaik she never wore makeup in her
> life.

I'm pretty much indifferent to House Beautiful and never wore makeup.
But my capacity for trivia is nearly boundless.

That said, my husband and I like to watch various home improvement
shows where decorating is also involved. We criticize bad construction
technique and marvel at the decorators' ability to listen to the
homeowners and do nothing like what they wanted. It's always
white walls, kitchen cabinets, and countertops. I think their purpose
is to scrape any personality away from the house.

If an interior decorator ever knocks on my door, they'll be shot
on sight.

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charles

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Mar 9, 2023, 5:45:21 AM3/9/23
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In article <t1iOL.803539$t5W7....@fx13.iad>,
In a stage play I was involved with, someone asked the difference between
an interior decorator and an interior designer. "The size of the bill."

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John Larkin

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On 9 Mar 2023 04:14:28 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>> I can't believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more about
>> the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.
>
>I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.
>Oh, purple, sort of. I went though the '80s without a woman hanging around
>the house. They know about that sort of stuff.

People are very different. You can only generalize about averages but
the normal distribution of most anything is wide.

That's great. There's something for everybody.

John Larkin

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Exteriors are as bad. No architect now is willing to use decoration or
colors any more. All the new stuff is ugly flat boxes painted grey, or
crude bare concrete.

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.


The Natural Philosopher

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Mar 9, 2023, 11:57:09 AM3/9/23
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Golly. I knew mauve as a five year old, red blue and white paint.

Long time before I worked out what Chartreuse was, though.


>
> That's great. There's something for everybody.
>

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Rod Speed

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Mar 9, 2023, 12:36:21 PM3/9/23
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Dont agree, nothing wonderful about them imo.

Cindy Hamilton

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We don't see much concrete here. Mostly wood or vinyl made to look
like wood. The odd bit of cultured stone.

> The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
> wonderful.

I despise Victorian design. Arts and Crafts was a welcome relief.

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Scott Lurndal

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Mar 9, 2023, 1:30:52 PM3/9/23
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Around here (N. California) most homes are stucco with some using painted T-111
plywood siding. Class A office space is mostly glass curtain walls.
Industrial is mostly tilt-up.

There is plenty of architectural innovation in the world, regardless of King Charles
opinions.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/brief-history-king-charles-modern-architecture

https://www.archpaper.com/2023/03/here-16-winners-2023-aia-architecture-award/

There are older victorians in most towns as well, dating to the late
1800s; they're generally energy pigs and expensive to care for.

Peeler

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John Larkin

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 18:30:45 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
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Hideous grey boxes win awards.

>
>There are older victorians in most towns as well, dating to the late
>1800s; they're generally energy pigs and expensive to care for.

The Vics here are mostly on 24 foot lots with no space between, so the
long sides don't lose heat.

rbowman

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 08:51:43 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


> The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and wonderful.
>

My ex and I had some fun times in the little room at the top of a tower in
an old Victorian. The entry was sort of a trap door so we wouldn't be
disturbed. The curved glass panes blew my mind.

I knew a man who specialized in Victorian restoration. He made a living
but it was mostly a labor of love. Had he accounted for all the hours he
put in and paid a reasonable hourly rate you'd have to be Bill Gates to
afford him.

rbowman

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 18:02:21 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I despise Victorian design. Arts and Crafts was a welcome relief.
>

Damn socialist... Morris and all that crew were all radicals. I did read
his 'News From Nowhere' last year and found it enjoyable. He was an
anarchist at heart so it was an answer to the state socialism in Bellamy's
'Looking Backward'.

I really miss old school socialists.

rbowman

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:57:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Long time before I worked out what Chartreuse was, though.

I tried the green variety once a long time ago. A little goes a long way.

Peeler

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> Damn socialist...

Damn all bigmouths like you!

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Peeler

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> My ex and I had some

Oh, fuck! The typical idiotic senile gossiping starts again...

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Peeler

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> I tried the green variety once a long time ago. A little goes a long way.

HIGHLY interesting, again! Just like every other tiny detail about your
fascinating personality. <BG>

Max Demian

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On 09/03/2023 04:14, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> I can't believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more about
>> the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.
>
> I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell mauve is.

It was all the rage in the nineteenth century.

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rbowman

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Ah, the Mauve Decade. I am familiar with the term but never was too clear
about the color involved.

Peeler

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> Ah, the Mauve Decade. I am familiar with the term but never was too clear
> about the color involved.

Of course not! You are ALL mouth!

Paul

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https://www.livescience.com/33324-purple-royal-color.html

https://www.canva.com/colors/color-meanings/mauve/

The colour was associated with royalty, because
it used to be expensive to get. Now, it's easy to make
purple dyes for clothing.

Every colour we use, has a fascinating story.
Like Red Dye Number 2 (a suspected carcinogen).
There is a CRC (Chemical Rubber Company) text,
filled with info like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaranth_%28dye%29

If you want to invent Fruit Loops breakfast cereal,
it means your CRC book is well dog-eared (looking
for colours and smells/flavours for the cereal to be dipped in).

They even got purple ones.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Froot-Loops-Cereal-Bowl.jpg

Paul

alan_m

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On 09/03/2023 09:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> That said, my husband and I like to watch various home improvement
> shows where decorating is also involved. We criticize bad construction
> technique and marvel at the decorators' ability to listen to the
> homeowners and do nothing like what they wanted.

But those shows are never in the real world. It used to amaze me that
painters could get the perfect finish while they were applying paint
when people were still sanding down the walls/plaster in the same room
- until the camera got too close. :)

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alan_m

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On 09/03/2023 16:51, John Larkin wrote:

> Exteriors are as bad. No architect now is willing to use decoration or
> colors any more. All the new stuff is ugly flat boxes painted grey, or
> crude bare concrete.

<https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2022/02/09/bidding-starts-for-14m-southend-student-block-reclad/>

or

https://tinyurl.com/yee9ywd4


Have you been into a carpet shop recently - 50 shades of grey is an
under estimate. And then there are the various shades of silver (more
grey).

alan_m

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Mar 16, 2023, 3:07:50 AM3/16/23
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What about the coloured bathroom suite - I think the one I had was
called champagne but really it was a baby poo colour. At least with
white sanitary ware it's more obvious where to clean.

Max Demian

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Is that a good idea? I used to live in a place where the bog was piss
colour. Er, fawn.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Mar 16, 2023, 10:09:43 AM3/16/23
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Blimey,is your piss fawn?

Mine is more tan to straw.

I'd get it analysed

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Max Demian

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Are not fauns tan?

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The Natural Philosopher

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"Regular urine color ranges from clear to pale yellow"

Tan is rather off the end of normal, but I have 'issues'.

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Rod Speed

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Mar 16, 2023, 3:57:57 PM3/16/23
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Lot darker than that if you haven't had enough to drink.

> Tan is rather off the end of normal,

Bullshit.

Peeler

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rbowman

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> Are not fauns tan?

I suppose a mythological critter can be any color it damn well pleases.

Peeler

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