Are BOX fans dangerous????
jimmy
the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
regarding this??
RicodJour
Any cheap motor that's left running for long periods of time, with
loads of household dust blowing over it, and isn't cleaned
periodically, is a candidate for over-heating and starting a fire.
R
Jeff The Drunk
Most of these motors have thermal protection. But I suppose that can
fail.
notbob
He's a lying sack of sh*t!
I've used 20" box fans for 40 yrs. Old, new, plastic, or metal, they
do what they are designed for. I'd recommend a 20" Lasko, the model
with the extra knob for temp (thermostat ...honest!). Last one I
bought was $20 as Lowe's.
The only prob I ever experienced was wind. Sometimes a late
night/early morning wind would come up and knock the fan out of the
window sill. Being and incredibly lazy ass, I'd drop the venetian
blinds jes far enough to hit the top back edge of the fan and give it
a little resistance from falling. Any good anchoring system will
prevent any probs.
nb
Ed Pawlowski
"jimmy" <jimmy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i3mqsk$9oh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one
> of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> regarding this??
>
Anything with a motor is a potential fire hazard. These are generally
cheaply made, but I've not heard of any particular hazard from them. Did he
give any details as to why? I've used them for years and never had a
problem, nor have I hear of any others. But . . . . I did a quick search
and found this
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06085.html
Name of Product: Lasko, General Electric, Galaxy, and Air King Brand Box and
Pivoting Floor Fans
Units: About 5.6 million
Manufacturer: Lasko Products Inc., of West Chester, Pa.
Hazard: An electrical failure in the motor can pose a fire hazard to
consumers.
Incidents/Injuries: Lasko has received 42 reports of fires possibly
associated with motor failures, with seven reports of injuries, including
burns and smoke inhalation. At least eight of the reported fires resulted in
extensive property damage.
Description: This recall involves various models of Lasko, Galaxy, Air King
and General Electric fans manufactured between January 1999 and July 2001,
and sold through February 2004. Styles and model numbers of recalled fans,
which are either stamped or on a label on the bottom of the fans, are listed
below:
RicodJour
> On 2010-08-08, jimmy <jimmy15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> > the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> > regarding this??
>
> He's a lying sack of sh*t!
>
> I've used 20" box fans for 40 yrs. Old, new, plastic, or metal, they
> do what they are designed for. I'd recommend a 20" Lasko, the model
> with the extra knob for temp (thermostat ...honest!). Last one I
> bought was $20 as Lowe's.
So, you believe that your personal experience - one person's
experience - outweighs a conversation with an insurance adjuster?
Hmm. This wasn't some salesperson selling something - looking to gain
something from a lie. How often do people call you first when their
house catches on fire? Sheesh.
See Ed Pawlowski's response about the fan recall. It's rather ironic
that the fan brand you recommend is the one in the that report that
the CPSC recalled. All of these cheap fans are made in China, and we
all know how reliable and trustworthy the Chinese are...at least they
can be relied on to dump their excess lead into our dinner ware. Do
you really think that you're getting a quality product, shipped from
overseas, for $20?
In future, maybe you shouldn't start name calling when you have
nothing really to base it on. Thanks.
R
spud42
"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote in message news:loadnSvqNK8vZsPR...@giganews.com...
I knew a family who died in a house fire caused by a box fan
The firemen told their relatives That a box fan is not a window fan
Even though thats where it mostly ends up
a little rain and they rust up and the enamel wears away
a quick search
UNITED STATES
CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION
The insulating enamel on the windings
may have broken down
and caused sparking and arcing.resulting in overheating
thermally protected motor or a impedance-protected motor.
as the varnish broke down and temperature on the winding rose,
the protection failed to keep the windings from erupting in flames
A contributing factor to portable fan-related fires or potential fires was the presence of
plastic materials. When a fan with plastic blades, motor housing or enclosure overheated or
caught fire, the plastic reportedly would melt and drip onto combustible materials such as carpet,
clothing, bedding, paper, etc.
: The incident data show that the second largest number
of incidents was related to the power-supply cords.
The current power-supply cord requirements for portable electric fans allow SP-1, SP-2,
SPT-1 and SPT-2 type constructions. These single-layer-insulation types of cords are not
sufficient to prevent damage as described
According to AHAM, imported portable fans represent more than 75 percent of
all portable fans sold in the U.S., and China is the major exporting country of these products
Information concerning safety
standards on the fans, cords, or plugs was also very limited. For example, only 63 involved fans
or cords were identified as UL Listed;
Spud
Steve Barker
ya, i had one tell me 90% of house fires are from computer monitors.
They say what sounds good at the time.
--
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remove the "not" from my address to email
Steve Barker
I'd say he's full of crap. I buy box fans at auctions to use in the
chicken coop. They get the full gamut of dust and feathers and who
knows what else. I just run 'em till they quit and throw them in the
burn pile. Not one has even so much as smoked.
Jon Danniken
> On 8/8/2010 12:52 PM, jimmy wrote:
>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told
>> me one of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you
>> have any info regarding this??
>>
>>
>
> ya, i had one tell me 90% of house fires are from computer monitors.
> They say what sounds good at the time.
100 percent of house fires are caused by ignition of combustable materials,
that is a FACT.
Jon
AZ Nomad
>On 8/8/2010 12:52 PM, jimmy wrote:
>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
>> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
>> regarding this??
>>
>>
>ya, i had one tell me 90% of house fires are from computer monitors.
>They say what sounds good at the time.
87.3% of all statistics are made up
RicodJour
> On 8/8/2010 12:52 PM, jimmy wrote:
>
> > I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> > the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> > regarding this??
>
> I'd say he's full of crap. I buy box fans at auctions to use in the
> chicken coop. They get the full gamut of dust and feathers and who
> knows what else. I just run 'em till they quit and throw them in the
> burn pile. Not one has even so much as smoked.
Even if they did catch on fire, big deal. You'd just have an
impromptu neighborhood BBQ. If it were your family you might feel a
little different, no?
R
Ed Pawlowski
"Jon Danniken" <jonSPAMMEN...@yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote
>
> 100 percent of house fires are caused by ignition of combustable
> materials, that is a FACT.
Then why don't they just put the combustibles outside? At least keep them
in a metal box.
J Burns
adapters if you register. I imagine they're fused.
Steve Barker
I'm just saying in all my years and all my fans, i've never seen one
smoke or flame. And yes, i'd say my life experience is just as good as
some lying insurance adjusters.
J Burns
been 42 reports of fires including 8 with serious damage.
If there are 100 million households in the US, that's a risk of about 1
in 12 million of a serious fire from one of these fans. If you have one
of these fans, the risk of fire appears to be about 1 in 100,000. The
risk that one of these fans will cause a serious fire appears to be
about 1 in a million. Lasko will send owners a cord adapter for protection.
Larry Fishel
If these are the words he used, it really doesn't mean a whole lot.
Being crushed by a refrigerator is one of the causes of death in the
house. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have a refrigerator in your
house.
The stats someone else posted suggest just over one significant fire
per MILLION of this particular brand/models of fans. Even if I found
that I had one of those models, I wouldn't consider that enough of a
risk to bother returning it... Maybe that's just me. That's a bit more
likely than your chances of being killed by lightening in the U.S.
Maybe I might keep it away from any curtains...if I had any curtains.
I don't, partially because I consider them a much worse fire risk than
a cheap fan...
mm
wrote:
>I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
>the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
>regarding this??
>
I used a 21 inch fan with slightly beat-up metal case that I had found
on the street as an exhaust fan when I was scraping (sanding) my
parquet floors. It ran 8 hours a day for one or two days and within a
half hour of my finishing the scraping, it "burned" out. But there
was no fire. It just slowed to a stop with maybe a bad smell.
Maybe the extra load, sawdust for 8 or 16 hours caused it to wear out
early.
hibb
I was on the local fire department for 10 years and none of the fires
we had during my time were caused by box fans. But I have heard of it
happening just as with clothes dryers and Christmas tree lights.
ransley
You should have asked him about the other 1000 causes of fires.
Steve Barker
not to mention they block the view and the light. And isn't that what a
window is for?
Sonny
> >the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...
One of 10,000 plus causes! And what was the ranking of box fans on
this list of causes?
If box fans are so deadly, why do "agencies" give them away free, to
those in need, during extra hot weather times?
Maybe one should look at the responsibleness (or is that
irresponsibleness) of the user, rather than blame the box fan.
Sonny
Jeff The Drunk
Like clothes dryers, toaster ovens, kitchen stoves..etc..all major causes
of home fires. Should you not have any of those items either?
RicodJour
> On 8/8/2010 3:28 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 8, 4:14 pm, Steve Barker<ichasetra...@notgmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/8/2010 12:52 PM, jimmy wrote:
>
> >>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> >>> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> >>> regarding this??
>
> >> I'd say he's full of crap. I buy box fans at auctions to use in the
> >> chicken coop. They get the full gamut of dust and feathers and who
> >> knows what else. I just run 'em till they quit and throw them in the
> >> burn pile. Not one has even so much as smoked.
>
> > Even if they did catch on fire, big deal. You'd just have an
> > impromptu neighborhood BBQ. If it were your family you might feel a
> > little different, no?
>
>
> smoke or flame. And yes, i'd say my life experience is just as good as
> some lying insurance adjusters.
Please explain why an insurance adjuster would lie about such a
thing. To impress people? Please, it's a fooking fan. There's no
snap, crackle and pop to that story.
All your years and all your fans...what does that mean? How many
fatal car accidents have you been in? Your cars? Does that mean
there's no such thing as a fatal car accident? Your logic is flawed.
Did you even read what the OP wrote, or are you just fond of going off
half-cocked? He wrote:
"I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me
one of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans" One of the
reasons. He didn't say every fooking fan burned, and it doesn't sound
like some Chicken Little the-sky-is-falling schtick.
More to the point - do you think that a $20 Chinese fan is a quality
product in _any_ way shape or form? Do you know how many 'almost'
fires I've had happen? A fair number - and I only reported one to
Underwriters Laboratory. The manufacturer refused to own up to it,
but they did reconfigure the light fixture because of it. I wasn't
out any money, I didn't sue, I just wanted to make sure someone didn't
die in a fire.
I realize you're playing your role of newsgroup tough guy, and that's
fine, but have you ever watched a house burn down with people you know
in it? I did - across the street. Things like that stay with you.
People thinking there's a negligible chance of fire happening to them
is one of the reasons people don't think about things and do stupid
things. That's one of the reasons that in the not too distant future
I'd expect all of us will be paying for it in the form of mandatory
residential sprinkler systems.
R
AZ Nomad
and 100% irrelevent
Smitty Two
"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
I think Sharper Image sells a special air filter contraption that
removes all the oxygen from the air in your home. That should prevent
most fires.
David Nebenzahl
> On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-08, jimmy <jimmy15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
>>> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
>>> regarding this??
>>
>> He's a lying sack of sh*t!
>>
>> I've used 20" box fans for 40 yrs. Old, new, plastic, or metal, they
>> do what they are designed for. I'd recommend a 20" Lasko, the model
>> with the extra knob for temp (thermostat ...honest!). Last one I
>> bought was $20 as Lowe's.
>
> So, you believe that your personal experience - one person's
> experience - outweighs a conversation with an insurance adjuster?
> Hmm. This wasn't some salesperson selling something - looking to gain
> something from a lie. How often do people call you first when their
> house catches on fire? Sheesh.
All I can say is that my own experience exactly mirrors that of
"notbob". I've used cheap box fans to ventilate places for a couple
decades now too. Last place I was in I had two of them semi-permanently
installed under a skylight to exhaust hot air. Ran continuously for
hours with nary a problem, in a very dusty environment.
Hell, one of the fans' front plastic grille completely disintegrated
from exposure to sunlight--just flaked into a jillion little
pieces--and the fan kept on just humming away.
My dad used to install window fans in the attic of our house as a
whole-house ventilation system in the summer. The fans he used were a
little better than the cheap Laskos one buys nowadays; I seem to
remember they were made by Bernz, but basically the same type of fan,
run by a fairly cheap induction motor. They lasted many seasons and
never failed.
--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.
- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
David Nebenzahl
But it is funny (snicker, snicker).
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Sadly past experience is no predictor of future performance since most
of what is being sold here NOW is made in China - and of poorer
quality than what was sold even last year. They make it cheaper and
cheaper every year because Wallmart (and others) demand a reduction in
cost from year to year in order to continue doing business.
US retailers and inspectors (as well as Canadian) are not keeping up
with inspections - so much of the product sold has no UL cerification
- and what does have a sticker on it, a large percentage are bogus.
That said, generally it is not the fan itself that is the problem - it
is the neglect of the fan. So the fan is a bit noisy, or it takes 5
minutes to come up to speed???? As long as it continues to move air,
it is kept running, whe a cleaning and a bit of lubricant most often
would make it run safely for another year or so.
notbob
> Sadly past experience is no predictor of future performance.....
And being alive is the most sure way to suffer death. It's a freakin'
box fan, not a terrorist device, ferchrysakes!
nb
Teredo
We've been importing most of our housewares and minor electonics/
electricals from China for well over two decades. And you cannot
effectively lubricate permanently lubed bearings on a box fan motor.
So what can you do? Keep the air inlets free of debris. And listen to it.
For 20 bucks if it starts making unusual sounds or the performance
degrades, replace it. 20 bucks for a new fan is a good insurance policy
in itself. I have a whole house circulation fan in an attic window. It is
10 years old. When temps are lower than 85 it runs 24/7. It has the same
type motor as a box fan, just more power. I keep it clean of debris and it
chugs along ventilating the whole house. I prefer that to air
conditioning. I can draw air from the rear of the house that is
completely shaded by large maples and oaks and my lot ends into a densely
wooded area. This makes the air at least 10 degrees cooler giving me
natural air conditioning for the price in electricity of a 1/8 hp fan
motor.
DD_BobK
> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> regarding this??
http://exactproductsinc.com/WordPress/?cat=2
I don't see why people are supporting the position "box fans don't /
can't / haven't caused house fires".
I've had some get very close to that point.
They are cheap electrical devices often neglected and run for hours
unattended.
I've abused a fair number of these units; old metal ones & newer cheap
plastic units.
Several units have just stopped working & been brought back to life by
dropping them on their faces.
Clean them? Why bother... as long as they run, run 'em 'til they
stop.
One overheated & all the internal smoke leaked out but no flames. :)
Reported cases of 42 serious malfunctions.
How many unreported? 10x? 100x? even at that rate they don't seem all
that dangerous.
But knowing that they "could be a problem", let's us be a bit more
careful with how they are used (if we choose)
My "work around" is to only use new units unattended and never leave
the "beaters" running alone.
I wondered how many of the "failed" units were abused or misused?
I more amazed that they don't cause problems way more often
considering the way see them used / mis-used.
cheers
Bob
Ron
>
> > I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> > the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> > regarding this??
>
Tell that to the mobile home that I was renting back in the early 80's
that burnt to the ground after I left a box fan running while I was at
the grocery store.
Teredo
So you don't use a box fan now?
Pat
I don't see why people are supporting the position "box fans don't /
can't / haven't caused house fires".
I've had some get very close to that point.
They are cheap electrical devices often neglected and run for hours
unattended.
I've abused a fair number of these units; old metal ones & newer cheap
plastic units.
Several units have just stopped working & been brought back to life by
dropping them on their faces.
Clean them? Why bother... as long as they run, run 'em 'til they
stop.
One overheated & all the internal smoke leaked out but no flames. :)
Reported cases of 42 serious malfunctions.
How many unreported? 10x? 100x? even at that rate they don't seem all
that dangerous.
But knowing that they "could be a problem", let's us be a bit more
careful with how they are used (if we choose)
My "work around" is to only use new units unattended and never leave
the "beaters" running alone.
I wondered how many of the "failed" units were abused or misused?
I more amazed that they don't cause problems way more often
considering the way see them used / mis-used.
cheers
Bob
I had one burn up in my bedroom window one night. When the wind is right I
think they can be overloaded causing them to fail.
notbob
> I don't see why people are supporting the position "box fans don't /
> can't / haven't caused house fires".
> I've had some get very close to that point.
>
> They are cheap electrical devices often neglected and run for hours
> unattended.
> I've abused a fair number of these units; old metal ones & newer cheap
> plastic units.
I don't see why people are too stupid to turn off a box fan when they
leave the house.
It occurs to me that perhaps the people who leave them on and abuse them
are the ones suffering all the fires and other problems.
Gotta be smarter than the tool.
nb
AZ Nomad
>On Aug 8, 2:21?pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-08-08, jimmy <jimmy15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
>> > regarding this??
>>
>Tell that to the mobile home that I was renting back in the early 80's
>that burnt to the ground after I left a box fan running while I was at
>the grocery store.
Sure. The frayed extension cord had nothing to do with it.
Stormin Mormon
any thermal protection.
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Most of these motors have thermal protection. But I suppose that can
fail.
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100 percent of house fires are caused by ignition of combustable
materials,
that is a FACT.
Jon
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Ron
Nope. Ceiling fans.
Harry K
Which just stir inside air.
Harry K
Harry K
> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote in messagenews:loadnSvqNK8vZsPR...@giganews.com...
>
> > "jimmy" <jimmy15...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:i3mqsk$9oh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one
> >> of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> >> regarding this??
>
> > cheaply made, but I've not heard of any particular hazard from them. Did he
> > give any details as to why? I've used them for years and never had a
> > problem, nor have I hear of any others. But . . . . I did a quick search
> > and found this
> >http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06085.html
> > Name of Product: Lasko, General Electric, Galaxy, and Air King Brand Box and
> > Pivoting Floor Fans
>
> > Units: About 5.6 million
>
> > Manufacturer: Lasko Products Inc., of West Chester, Pa.
>
> > Hazard: An electrical failure in the motor can pose a fire hazard to
> > consumers.
>
> > Incidents/Injuries: Lasko has received 42 reports of fires possibly
> > associated with motor failures, with seven reports of injuries, including
> > burns and smoke inhalation. At least eight of the reported fires resulted in
> > extensive property damage.
>
> > Description: This recall involves various models of Lasko, Galaxy, Air King
> > and General Electric fans manufactured between January 1999 and July 2001,
> > and sold through February 2004. Styles and model numbers of recalled fans,
> > which are either stamped or on a label on the bottom of the fans, are listed
> > below:
>
> I knew a family who died in a house fire caused by a box fan
> The firemen told their relatives That a box fan is not a window fan
> Even though thats where it mostly ends up
> a little rain and they rust up and the enamel wears away
>
> a quick search
>
> UNITED STATES
> CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION
>
> The insulating enamel on the windings
> may have broken down
> and caused sparking and arcing.resulting in overheating
> thermally protected motor or a impedance-protected motor.
> as the varnish broke down and temperature on the winding rose,
> the protection failed to keep the windings from erupting in flames
> A contributing factor to portable fan-related fires or potential fires was the presence of
> plastic materials. When a fan with plastic blades, motor housing or enclosure overheated or
> caught fire, the plastic reportedly would melt and drip onto combustible materials such as carpet,
> clothing, bedding, paper, etc.
>
> : The incident data show that the second largest number
> of incidents was related to the power-supply cords.
> The current power-supply cord requirements for portable electric fans allow SP-1, SP-2,
> SPT-1 and SPT-2 type constructions. These single-layer-insulation types of cords are not
> sufficient to prevent damage as described
> According to AHAM, imported portable fans represent more than 75 percent of
> all portable fans sold in the U.S., and China is the major exporting country of these products
> Information concerning safety
> standards on the fans, cords, or plugs was also very limited. For example, only 63 involved fans
> or cords were identified as UL Listed;
> Spud- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
A very good, believable report on somehting that _could_ have happened
with no apparent evidence that it did.
Harry K
Harry K
> On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:27:27 -0700, Jon Danniken <jonSPAMMENOTdanni...@yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote:
> >Steve Barker wrote:
> >> On 8/8/2010 12:52 PM, jimmy wrote:
> >>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told
> >>> me one of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you
> >>> have any info regarding this??
>
> >> ya, i had one tell me 90% of house fires are from computer monitors.
> >> They say what sounds good at the time.
> >100 percent of house fires are caused by ignition of combustable materials,
> >that is a FACT.
>
> and 100% irrelevent
About as revelent as the reports that have been cited that are laced
with "could have happened" "might have happened" etc.
Harry K
RicodJour
>
> About as revelent as the reports that have been cited that are laced
> with "could have happened" "might have happened" etc.
http://exactproductsinc.com/WordPress/?cat=2
Would you like a bib with that?
R
FatterDumber& Happier Moe
> "jimmy" <jimmy...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:i3mqsk$9oh$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me
>> one of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have
>> any info regarding this??
>>
>>
>
I don't like box fans but I have a Chink made 12 inch oscillating fan.
I think I paid 12 dollars for it at a Dollar General store and it's
now 10 years old. I run it on low 24/7. I remember when I got it the
metal fan guard seemed rather heavy so instead of putting it on the fan
I used the guard for a spark arrester on the Chimminia instead of
putting it on the fan.
My thoughts on the whole thing?
For me the highest risk is probably like most Americans my age, heart
attack/stroke cancer, car accident from texting or messing with the GPS
while driving, pit bull attack, drowning in bathtub, gun shot caused by
flashing wrong gang signal when going into Sav-a-lot or 7-11,
electrocution from using drill with bare feet in water puddle, drinking
bug poison or Texaco antifreeze instead of orange soda, drinking Toyota
antifreeze instead of strawberry soda, tripping over sleeping dog and
hitting my head on the sharp corner of old computer sitting on the floor
awaiting repair, getting crushed to death by runaway scooter with fat
lady on it at walmart.
All in all these things should be addressed before worrying about a
box fan bursting into flames, probably a little common sense and thumb
tacking the curtain back when using a box fan would go a long ways
toward solving the flaming box fan crisis.
FWIW the 10 leading causes of death, (this has a lot to do with age)
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
100 years ago communicable diseases headed the list. Maybe box fans will
head the
list in another 50 or 100 years.
Bob Villa
> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> regarding this??
My experience FWIW with box fans: we have many (dozens) in our
facility (inadequate AC) and all are Chinese. Many have gummed-up
over the years and they will sit and either start going after they
have heated the lube or just hum. I haven't had one smoke or over-
heat. Bath room exhaust fans seize and over-heat. Many of these box
fans are very low HP and can be stopped (jammed) and not over-heat.
Teredo
Ceiling fans have an induction motor the same as most any household fan.
So if it's the motor you fear take a look up.
Kurt Ullman
If anyone is really interested in anything more than flapping their
gums, the URL is for a 2003 Consumer Products Safety Commission report
on this very subject.
http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA03/os/portfan.pdf
There were an estimated 4,500 fires associated with portable electric
fans from 1990 through 1998. These fires resulted in more than 20
deaths, 270 injuries, and about $55 million in property loss.
Staff reviewed 243 fan-related In-Depth Investigations (IDIs),
conducted from January 1, 1990 through April 12, 2001. These IDIs
included those in which the identified hazard was fire (210), potential
fire (16), electrocution (12), electric shock (3), and electrical
hazards (2).
reported sales of portable electric fans have been in the
range of 17 to 20 million per year with an average life expectancy of
fans is 12 years. Based on this information, staff estimates there are
about 200 to 240 million portable fans in use in U.S. households.
Thus the odds don't seem all that good.
--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist
Ralph Mowery
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:WLudnSsekOEFacLR...@earthlink.com...
>
> If anyone is really interested in anything more than flapping their
> gums, the URL is for a 2003 Consumer Products Safety Commission report
> on this very subject.
> http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA03/os/portfan.pdf
>
> There were an estimated 4,500 fires associated with portable electric
> fans from 1990 through 1998. These fires resulted in more than 20
> deaths, 270 injuries, and about $55 million in property loss.
>
> Staff reviewed 243 fan-related In-Depth Investigations (IDIs),
> conducted from January 1, 1990 through April 12, 2001. These IDIs
> included those in which the identified hazard was fire (210), potential
> fire (16), electrocution (12), electric shock (3), and electrical
> hazards (2).
>
>
about 500 fires a year and 2 deaths. Check out how many car accidents that
result in death in a single year. Somewhere around 40,000. Not to count
the number of accidents that result in injuries and money cost.
You are more likely to die just going to the store to get the fan than for
it to cause a fire or death.
It is even estimated that about 50 to 100 deaths each year are caused by
peanuts.
Harry K
> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
I wonder how those 243 incidens compare with other hazards such
kitchen fires started by leaving stuff on the stove, other small
electrical appliances, etc.
From what I am seeing the "Oh My God! Get rid of yur box fan!" crap
is a tempest in a tea pot.
Harry K
Ralph Mowery
"Harry K" <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:65f2b520-828b-425d...@k17g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I wonder how those 243 incidens compare with other hazards such
>kitchen fires started by leaving stuff on the stove, other small
>electrical appliances, etc.
>From what I am seeing the "Oh My God! Get rid of yur box fan!" crap
>is a tempest in a tea pot.
>Harry K
You can read about it here:
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/Cookingfactsheet.pdf
About 500 deaths from kitchen fires per year and 4600 injuries and $ 756
million in property damage.
Guess we will quit cooking and eat out. Oops can not do that because of
death by automobile. Just quit eating. Sure hope that death rate is lower.
hibb
wrote:
> Was that the box fan kicked over by Mrs. O'Leary's cow?
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
Nope, but I heard that Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicked the bucket.
Jim Yanik
a ceiling fan motor is probably built more robustly than a cheap box fan
motor. CF's are made to be installed "permanently",and thus made better
than a throwaway $20 box fan.
It's also away from physical abuse that a floor fan may suffer,no getting
knocked over,stuff spilled on it.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Ron
Ever heard of wind chill?
Ron
I don't "fear" anything. I was stating a fact about a fire that
started with a box fan that I owned.
m...@privacy.net
>He's a lying sack of sh*t!
I've seen many of them burst into flame
Don Klipstein
>
>I'm just saying in all my years and all my fans, i've never seen one
>smoke or flame. And yes, i'd say my life experience is just as good as
>some lying insurance adjusters.
I have seen two box fans smoke and one of them flame so far in my life.
In both cases, they gave advance warning by slowing down. In both cases,
the culprit appeared to be the motor being gummed up by dust. Both cases
were back in the 1970's.
In a third case, I restored a fan that was beginning to show signs of
trouble. What I did was disassemble the motor, clean out gummy dusty
gunk, and reassemble it. That was back around 1980, when plenty of fan
motors that were disassemblable were still around.
Dust is sometimes sticky, especially in places where frying is done.
Frying with soybean oil can lead to gummy sticky dust, since films and
small droplets of soybean oil oxidize into some sort of gum.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
mkir...@rochester.rr.com
> a ceiling fan motor is probably built more robustly than a cheap box fan
> motor.
"probably????"
In other words, you don't know. You have no idea. So what was your
point again?
notbob
I'll be more specific. You're a lying sack of sh*t!!
nb
notbob
> I have seen two box fans smoke and one of them flame so far in my life.
> In both cases, they gave advance warning by slowing down.
DUH!!
You run any mechanical/electrical device to death with no care or
maintenance and it's bound to die a painful/flaming death.
Am I missing something, here, or are a whole buncha complete morons
claiming to be blatantly negligent and then saying, "I told you so"?
nb
AZ Nomad
Do yo~ h@v# som# !ns@n# not!on th@t r#pl@c!ng th# vow#ls w!th
p~nct~@t!on m@k#s @ny f~ck!ng d!ff#r#nc#?
cl...@snyder.on.ca
That's all BOX fans do when used properly too - they are NOT window
fans. Using them as such is a misuse.
notbob
> Do yo~ h@v# som# !ns@n# not!on th@t r#pl@c!ng th# vow#ls w!th
> p~nct~@t!on m@k#s @ny f~ck!ng d!ff#r#nc#?
Do you really give a fsck?
nb
AZ Nomad
Fuck yes.
notbob
> Fuck yes.
I'm happy for you.
nb
J Burns
window fans.
Several cases seem to remain mysteries. There's soot but no other
evidence of overheating. There's evidence of overheating, but the motor
turns freely.
Fans are supposed to be protected from overheating in the event of a
locked rotor, and the ones tested have worked.
Cords are often the problem. Some people I know will continue to use a
cord when there's a warm spot.
It looks as if most problems would be minor of there were an adult
present to smell trouble and unplug the fan.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
Says who?
Harry K
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, I use it all summer long. Turn on the furnace fan and let it run
keeps the AC from kicking in for hours. Much more effective than my
ceiling fan. Then the 20" box fan blowing down the hall sucks in the
evening cool air.
Harry K
DGDevin
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:WLudnSsekOEFacLR...@earthlink.com...
>
> If anyone is really interested in anything more than flapping their
> gums, the URL is for a 2003 Consumer Products Safety Commission report
> on this very subject.
> http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA03/os/portfan.pdf
What, rely on something like facts and figures when there are personal
anecdotes to post? Consider actual evidence rather than personal opinion?
You must be new to Usenet. ;~)
Didn't take long for the predictable response--"Oh yeah well there's other
stuff that kills even more people, so there."
Ron
> On Aug 9, 9:28 am, Ron <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 12:14 am, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 8, 7:25 pm, Ron <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 8, 8:03 pm, Teredo <ter...@ipv6.orq> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:56:18 -0700, Ron wrote:
> > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2010-08-08, jimmy <jimmy15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me
> > > > > >> > one of the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have
> > > > > >> > any info regarding this??
>
> > > > > >> He's a lying sack of sh*t!
>
> > > > > > Tell that to the mobile home that I was renting back in the early 80's
> > > > > > that burnt to the ground after I left a box fan running while I was at
> > > > > > the grocery store.
>
> > > > > So you don't use a box fan now?
>
> > > > Nope. Ceiling fans.
>
> > > Which just stir inside air.
>
> > > Harry K
>
> > Ever heard of wind chill?
>
> keeps the AC from kicking in for hours. Much more effective than my
> ceiling fan. Then the 20" box fan blowing down the hall sucks in the
> evening cool air.
>
> Harry K
Move to FL and see how that works for ya.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
So you ignore the part that works for me and you think you made a
point? FWIW I spent years in Texas and a couple of summers in the
humid, hot DC area. Box fans were a survival tool at night.
Glad to hear that you are convinced that overhead fans are the only
thing that is useable.
Harry K
Harry K
> "Harry K" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Time we eliminate _everything_ that has caused a few deaths in the
house it will be nothing but a bare concrete slab...oops can't use
that either. people have died pouring it.
There is paranoia and then there is outright idiocy - case in point
'box fan'
Harry K
cl...@snyder.on.ca
They make window fans for that purpose. Box fans are air movers meant
to sit on the floor.
Ron
Ceiling fans are what *I* prefer along with central AC. Box fans are
*loud*, unattractive, inconvenient and only blow to centralized spot.
So whatever works for ya.
Ed Pawlowski
<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote
>>> That's all BOX fans do when used properly too - they are NOT window
>>> fans. Using them as such is a misuse.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>Says who?
>>
>>Harry K
> They make window fans for that purpose. Box fans are air movers meant
> to sit on the floor.
What happens to them if you sit them on a window sill? I've seen many used
like that; I'd guess millions nationwide are in windows. I've never seen a
caution about not using them in a window.
However, I did find this on Lasko's web site:
http://www.laskoproducts.com/prodinfo/faq-fans.html
Can I use my Box Fan in a window? Most box fans are not designed for use in
a window
Note the word "most" as opposed to using the word "no".
And the don't give any specifics here
What is a Window Fan? A fan mounted in a window to circulate the air. Window
fans are used for air intake, air exhaust, or air exchange. The blade size
ranges from 8" to 16"
Then, you have this that tells you how to use a box fan in the window.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Window-Fans-for-Home-Cooling
Place fans in windows. Close the window as tightly as possible around the
fan to hold it in place and prevent local circulation
Of course, this box fan is designed for use in windows
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100405666&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100405666&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-google-_-D29X-_-100405666&locStoreNum=2624&marketID=39
Evidently, geeks don't know everything, even wise ones
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-box-fan.htm
Many homeowners also choose to place a box fan in an open window, similar to
an air conditioning unit. If the home owner places the box fan in the window
so the front faces outdoors, the box fan will draw warm air out from inside
the home. If the homeowner places the box fan with the front facing inside,
the fan with draw in air from outside..
You can even rent one for $3 a day
http://www.loanables.com/items/show/132--Box-fan-that-fits-in-window-Austin-TX
And some people just love them in the window
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/42792/review_of_the_lasko_20_box_fan_economical.html
One feature my Lasko 20” box fan has is its compact design. It fits very
well in my window. I can use it to bring in the cooler air from the outside.
This works remarkably well. This is known as an economical in-window air
conditioner. Another nice thing about its size is the fact that it is not
cumbersome to carry out of the store. It fits into my trunk perfectly, also.
My Lasko 20” box fan is also lightweight. Considering its size, I found that
very surprising. It also is very welcomed.
Seems like you have a big job ahead convincing people to take the box fans
out of the window.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
Depends on how the box fan is positioned. Mine hangs from the hallway
ceiling and blows down a hallway towards an open window. Much more
effective to 'exhaust' air than to 'input' it...or sumpin like that.
My technique on warm day is
Turn on furnace fan.
If the AC kicks on and is sufficient that is it.
If still uncomfortable in big room, turn on overhead fan.
Ending with:
When outside temp drops to comfortable level, open window and turn on
box fan.
Most times it never gets to the box fan except for short periods.
Harry K
Harry K
> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote
>
> >>> That's all BOX fans do when used properly too - they are NOT window
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> >>Harry K
> > They make window fans for that purpose. Box fans are air movers meant
> > to sit on the floor.
>
> What happens to them if you sit them on a window sill? I've seen many used
> like that; I'd guess millions nationwide are in windows. I've never seen a
> caution about not using them in a window.
>
> However, I did find this on Lasko's web site:http://www.laskoproducts.com/prodinfo/faq-fans.html
> Can I use my Box Fan in a window? Most box fans are not designed for use in
> a window
>
> Note the word "most" as opposed to using the word "no".
>
> And the don't give any specifics here
> What is a Window Fan? A fan mounted in a window to circulate the air. Window
> fans are used for air intake, air exhaust, or air exchange. The blade size
> ranges from 8" to 16"
>
> Place fans in windows. Close the window as tightly as possible around the
> fan to hold it in place and prevent local circulation
>
>
> Evidently, geeks don't know everything, even wise oneshttp://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-box-fan.htm
> Many homeowners also choose to place a box fan in an open window, similar to
> an air conditioning unit. If the home owner places the box fan in the window
> so the front faces outdoors, the box fan will draw warm air out from inside
> the home. If the homeowner places the box fan with the front facing inside,
> the fan with draw in air from outside..
>
>
> And some people just love them in the windowhttp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/42792/review_of_the_lasko_20...
> One feature my Lasko 20” box fan has is its compact design. It fits very
> well in my window. I can use it to bring in the cooler air from the outside.
> This works remarkably well. This is known as an economical in-window air
> conditioner. Another nice thing about its size is the fact that it is not
> cumbersome to carry out of the store. It fits into my trunk perfectly, also.
>
> My Lasko 20” box fan is also lightweight. Considering its size, I found that
> very surprising. It also is very welcomed.
>
> Seems like you have a big job ahead convincing people to take the box fans
> out of the window.
Now, now. Don't ruin a good 'theory' with facts.
Harry K
J Burns
>
> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote
>>>> That's all BOX fans do when used properly too - they are NOT window
>>>> fans. Using them as such is a misuse.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Says who?
>>>
>>> Harry K
>> They make window fans for that purpose. Box fans are air movers meant
>> to sit on the floor.
>
> What happens to them if you sit them on a window sill? I've seen many
> used like that; I'd guess millions nationwide are in windows. I've
> never seen a caution about not using them in a window.
>
> However, I did find this on Lasko's web site:
> http://www.laskoproducts.com/prodinfo/faq-fans.html
> Can I use my Box Fan in a window? Most box fans are not designed for use
> in a window
>
> Note the word "most" as opposed to using the word "no".
>
> And the don't give any specifics here
> What is a Window Fan? A fan mounted in a window to circulate the air.
> Window fans are used for air intake, air exhaust, or air exchange. The
> blade size ranges from 8" to 16"
>
A window fan is intended to seal the window space so it can inhale as
well as exhale.
Placed a few inches from a screen, a box fan won't inhale much through
the screen but will exhale very well through the screen. This can be
demonstrated by dangling a piece of toilet paper beside the fan. If
it's blowing toward the screen, there won't be much air movement beside
the fan. If it's blowing into the room, the toilet paper will probably
be sucked toward the screen and into the fan. The viscosity of still
air makes it hard to reach the fan through the screen, so air from the
room is sucked around behind the fan.
When a fan exhales toward a screen, the velocity of the air will carry
it right through. A fan 6" from a screen will do better than one 6'
from the screen because the velocity will be greater at the shorter
distance.
A 20" box fan should exhale twice as efficiently as a 10" window fan.
The smaller fan would have to impart 4 times the velocity to blow the
same volume as the larger fan, and that means 16 times the energy.
I have a couple of loops of cord tied through the top of my 9-pound box
fan. It takes just a moment to hang it from hooks at the top of my
kitchen window, where the air is hottest and most humid and there may be
smoke in the event of a cooking mistake. If I want to cool the house, I
walk outside and feel for any movement of air. If there's air coming
from the direction of that window, I'll put the fan on a table in a
window on the other side of the house. No use fighting Mother Nature.
Bob Villa
http://www.electric-fan.com/fans/9166D/
Lasko and Lakewood are made in America from foreign and domestic
parts. My box fans are Lasko and more than 10 years old and no issues
or complaints.
Smitty Two
J Burns <bur...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Placed a few inches from a screen, a box fan won't inhale much through
> the screen but will exhale very well through the screen.
First actually useful piece of info to surface from this murky thread,
thanks.
Harry K
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
>
> <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Glad to hear that you are convinced that overhead fans are the only
> >thing that is useable.
>
> >Harry K
>
> much safer to place some mice in a squirrel cage and connect a fan
> blade to it.
But...but...but...aren't mice a source of dusease? Looks like the
only solution is to crawl into a cave naked and never come out.
Harry K
Harry K
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
>
> <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Yep, I use it all summer long. Turn on the furnace fan and let it run
> >keeps the AC from kicking in for hours. Much more effective than my
> >ceiling fan. Then the 20" box fan blowing down the hall sucks in the
> >evening cool air.
>
> >Harry K
>
> It only gets shut off when I leave for a weekend, or during rain
> storms when I need to shut the window. Otherwise it sucks air thru
> the house 24/7. I cant afford the electricity to run a window Air
> Conditioner. Box fans use little energy compared to an AC.
Yep. But just look how much safer you would be without the box
fan...lets see, known problem (not the 'could have' 'might have'
problems) divided into the population equals? I guess some
vanishingly small chance of it causing a problem.
Harry K
cl...@snyder.on.ca
<e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>
><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote
>>>> That's all BOX fans do when used properly too - they are NOT window
>>>> fans. Using them as such is a misuse.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>Says who?
>>>
>>>Harry K
>> They make window fans for that purpose. Box fans are air movers meant
>> to sit on the floor.
>
>What happens to them if you sit them on a window sill? I've seen many used
>like that; I'd guess millions nationwide are in windows. I've never seen a
>caution about not using them in a window.
>
> However, I did find this on Lasko's web site:
>http://www.laskoproducts.com/prodinfo/faq-fans.html
> Can I use my Box Fan in a window? Most box fans are not designed for use in
>a window
>
>Note the word "most" as opposed to using the word "no".
>
>And the don't give any specifics here
>What is a Window Fan? A fan mounted in a window to circulate the air. Window
>fans are used for air intake, air exhaust, or air exchange. The blade size
>ranges from 8" to 16"
>
>Then, you have this that tells you how to use a box fan in the window.
>http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Window-Fans-for-Home-Cooling
It's a WIKI - take it with a few grains of salt.
Any moron can write anything and look like an expert.
>Place fans in windows. Close the window as tightly as possible around the
>fan to hold it in place and prevent local circulation
>
>Of course, this box fan is designed for use in windows
>http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100405666&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100405666&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-google-_-D29X-_-100405666&locStoreNum=2624&marketID=39
>
It is designed that it will stand up to weather IF used in a window -
still not designed "as" a window fan - but unlike "most" the fan is
weatherproofed like a windowe fan motor.
>Evidently, geeks don't know everything, even wise ones
>http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-box-fan.htm
>Many homeowners also choose to place a box fan in an open window, similar to
>an air conditioning unit. If the home owner places the box fan in the window
>so the front faces outdoors, the box fan will draw warm air out from inside
>the home. If the homeowner places the box fan with the front facing inside,
>the fan with draw in air from outside..
>
>You can even rent one for $3 a day
>http://www.loanables.com/items/show/132--Box-fan-that-fits-in-window-Austin-TX
The same lasko as sold by Home depot - it is ACTUALLY an
indoor-outdoor fan - designed to be used on patios etc, not as a
window fan - but as such it is safer than MOST box fans if you are
going to use one in a window.
Also considerably smaller than the "average" box fan, at 22" overall,
with a 20 inch blade
>
>And some people just love them in the window
>http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/42792/review_of_the_lasko_20_box_fan_economical.html
>One feature my Lasko 20” box fan has is its compact design. It fits very
>well in my window. I can use it to bring in the cooler air from the outside.
>This works remarkably well. This is known as an economical in-window air
>conditioner. Another nice thing about its size is the fact that it is not
>cumbersome to carry out of the store. It fits into my trunk perfectly, also.
>
>My Lasko 20” box fan is also lightweight. Considering its size, I found that
>very surprising. It also is very welcomed.
>
>
>Seems like you have a big job ahead convincing people to take the box fans
>out of the window.
Home Despot carries an affordable "window fan" designed to do the
job -
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5/R-202019811/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053,
as well as a better, electrically reversible window fan that is still
quite affordable -
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5/R-202182983/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
And then there is Lasko's window fan that allows you to close the
window without removing the fan
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5/R-100405673/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
I suspect there is a good reason they sell "window fans" as well as
"box fans" - different horses for different courses.
You could pull a plough with a thotougbred, and you could take a
Clydesdale to the sulky track - but neither is optimal, or even close,
for the job.
J Burns
Air King is now a Lasko subsidiary. The 9166 made its name as a fan
that would blow 7000 cfm. Evidently, the construction wasn't good
enough for that much power; bearings seized, blades cracked, and grilles
broke. So they put on a wimpy motor for which they claim 3650 cfm.
I believe the Lasko 20-Inch Premium Box Fan ($24 at Amazon) claims 3623
cfm for only 150 watts. The manufacturer claims it blows 30% more than
other fans. In that case, it would need more stability. Indeed, it is
heavier and deeper than typical of plastic box fans. The 28 reviewers
seem to have a consensus that it blows more than other box fans they've
owned.
I once tested box fans for thrust by weighing them, hanging them by 6
feet of cord in the carport, and seeing how far back they moved when I
turned them on. From pounds of thrust and diameter I could compute cfm.
I remember my 9-pound Holmes was very wimpy compared to my antique
24-pound Lau. Dadburnit, I'm getting knocking from the Lau motor now!
I think the bearings are no longer handling the thrust. If I could find
a replacement motor, it would be expensive. I wonder if it's easy to
get bearings for a motor with a 3/8" shaft.
jessica...@gmail.com
Bob F
J Burns
throw firecrackers at.
micky
>My window fan just sparked up right now a few times and made popping noises! Freaked me right out and it is brand new and doesn't have any dust on it!
not decades and fail without causing a problem.
TAke it back and get another one or another brand.
I"m using my father's fan now that he bought around 1955. Old ones
have to be oiled every year or two but it still works fine.
eca...@gmail.com
> I recently had a conversation with an insurance adjuster who told me one of
> the causes of fires in a home are these box fans...do you have any info
> regarding this??
ItsJoanNotJoann
OLD thread. Question was posted on August 08, 2010.
gfre...@aol.com
the thermal fuse now and you throw them away.