Where to mount outlet for Jacuzzi tub

[Mikepier]

I am ready to run a new circuit for the Jacuzzi tub I put in. I am
running the circuit it under the floor and coming up from the bottom
into the motor area.

https://picasaweb.google.com/mikerock92/September242011?authuser=0&feat=directlink

The easiest thing for me to do is mount the box directly to the floor,
and having the outlet face up. Any issues with doing this?

[RBM]

Typically, I run a 2 circuit cable to the area under the tub, and
install 2 gfci outlets on whatever framing I can find just inside the
access panel. If the tub doesn't have a heater, a single circuit will
suffice. I would probably not mount it flat, face up, but it should be
legal, if you must.

[hr(bob) hofmann@att.net]

On Sep 24, 4:12 pm, Mikepier <mikep...@optonline.net> wrote:
> I am ready to run a new circuit for the Jacuzzi tub I put in. I am
> running the circuit it under the floor and coming up from the bottom
> into the motor area.
>

> https://picasaweb.google.com/mikerock92/September242011?authuser=0&fe...

>
> The easiest thing for me to do is mount the box directly to the floor,
> and having the outlet face up. Any issues with doing this?

Your link does not work

[Mikepier]

On Sep 24, 6:15 pm, "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net" <hrhofm...@att.net>
wrote:

Sorry,should work now.

[Stormin Mormon]

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[Mikepier]

On Sep 24, 8:34 pm, gfretw...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT), Mikepier

>
> <mikep...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >I am ready to run a new circuit for the Jacuzzi tub I put in. I am
> >running the circuit it under the floor and coming up from the bottom
> >into the motor area.
>

> >https://picasaweb.google.com/mikerock92/September242011?authuser=0&fe...

>
> >The easiest thing for me to do is mount the box directly to the floor,
> >and having the outlet face up. Any issues with doing this?
>

> There are inspectors who do not like face up receptacles, no matter
> what. It would look better if you could mount the box on a versicle
> surface Even if it was just a 2x4 tombstone right there. (Make an "L"
> with one flat, nailed on back of the one standing up)

I did not think of that. Thanks. Maybe thats what I'll do.

[Mikepier]

> Typically, I run a 2 circuit cable to the area under the tub, and
> install 2 gfci outlets on whatever framing I can find just inside the
> access panel. If the tub doesn't have a heater, a single circuit will
> suffice. I would probably not mount it flat, face up, but it should be
> legal, if you must.

There's no heater, only the motor.
But is it better to put in a GFCI breaker, so in the event it does
trip, you just have to go to the breaker panel instead of the access
door of the tub?

[RBM]

I tend to keep GFCI protection as close to the point of use as possible.
In the event that the GFCI trips, you'll probably need to get into the
tub access to find out why.

[John Grabowski]

*Like RBM I usually run two 20 amp circuits for the hydromassage bathtub.
There is not always a lot of space for servicing the motor if needed, so I
usually mount the receptacles flush with the back wall studs. In your case
it looks like you have a block wall there which would be difficult to drill
into from an angle. I would not put the receptacle face up so dust or
moisture could not settle on top and work its way down into the slots.

Instead of putting the GFI's under the tub, I usually mount GFI switches
somewhere else in the bathroom such as inside of a closet or behind the door
or at the countertop with the countertop receptacle. A GFI breaker will
work as well, however Article 680.71 states that the tub must be protected
by "A readily accessible ground fault circuit interrupter".

I advise my customers to install a heater which will maintain the water
temperature. Otherwise all of that water churning around will cool down
real fast.

I could not tell from your photos if there was a bonding lug on the motor.
If so than you need to bond the motor with a #8 solid copper wire to the
nearest waterpipe. I usually install the bond wire regardless because I
once had an inspector insist that it be installed even though there was no
lug. I think I loosened a bolt and put a lug on it just to pass inspection.
When I bond the other end I clamp to the hot, cold and shower pipes even
though they should all be bonded together already.

If you have a 2011 code book, check out article 680.74. There is a change
for 2011 which seems to require that the #8 be installed regardless of the
type of motor: "The 8 AWG or larger solid copper bonding jumper shall be
long enough to terminate on a replacement non-double-insulated pump motor
and shall be terminated to the equipment grounding conductor of the branch
circuit of the motor when a double-insulated circulating pump is used".
Since NJ has not adopted the 2011 code yet, I don't know what is an
acceptable method of connecting the bond wire to the grounding conductor.
Maybe add a copper lug to the outside of a metal box and bring the #8
through it and leave a tail out for a future motor replacement.

[Mikepier]

Thanks for the heads up on the grounding.

So where does the ground need to be run to, the panel, or the cold
water pipe in the bathroom?

[Jim Elbrecht]

I suspect your local codes address it-- but in my area there has to be
a GFCI breaker in sight of and within [10?] so many feet of a water
feature that people use.

Even if there were no codes, it just seems like a good idea.

Jim

[dss]

Mike,

I put what looks like the same model in our main bathroom last year.
The instructions said to mount the outlet vertically so many inches
(4-6"?) above the floor. You could do that against the block wall or
on the wall at the foot of the tub. I put a couple of GFCI switches
mounted in a closet at the foot of the tub and used a regular outlet.
You could probably put your GFCI switch on the outside of the wall at
the foot of the tub for easy access for the recommended monthly
testing.

I bonded the motor to a copper pipe. I popped for the water heater
option and my wife loves it. It required a second 20 amp circuit but
was easy to install. Better than getting her a piece of jewelry. She
still uses it several times a week.

I also did the optional mortar bed under the tub. The floor was level,
but the tub was not, so I fixed that with some shims on the feet. It
was kind of fussy working with the mortar and the tub feet, but it is
rock solid with no flex.

I hope it holds up, because I dread having to fix or replace it.

Good luck.

dss



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[Mikepier]

On Sep 26, 12:09 pm, gfretw...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 05:30:47 -0700 (PDT), Mikepier

> The 8 gauge is a bonding conductor that is just to bond all metal
> around the tub to the grounding lug of all attached electrical
> equipment. If you have metal water pipes you will be bonding them but
> if your house is plumbed in plastic it is not necessary to take the 8
> ga back to a grounding bus bar. That path will already exist in the
> pump supply ground tho.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The plumbing is copper. But am I allowed to bury the pipe clamp
inside the wall? Does it need to be accessible?

[John Grabowski]

*I have never made mine accessible and they passed inspection. Of course
the inspector saw them before the wall was closed up. You may want to make
sure your hot to cold bonding jumper is in place at the water heater or
other location just in case the inspector wants to take a look.

[Mikepier]

> other location just in case the inspector wants to take a look.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

This is in a condo, so I'm not sure if I can even go that far.
But as far as grounding to a pipe, right below is a vacant office that
has an access door in the ceiling for the water valves. I could just
run the copper bond to there to make it accessible.