OT Why are Republicans reisting increasing the debt limit.

[micky]

I know it's not as sexy as the other OT topics, but does anyone know
even the slightest good reason for Republicans refusing to vote to
increase the US debt limit? And planning to filibuster against the
increase?

All I can think of is that this is just an effort to goad the Dems into
eliminating the filibuster.

Or are they sociopaths?


Anyone of the usual nudniks who doesn't understand the role of the debt
limit would be well advised to read about it before replying.

[Bob F]

They think that collapsing the economy means they could have some chance
to win election again?

[trader_4]

Have you been living on Mars? We've been through this how many times now
over the past decade or more? The reason is always the same, it's the only
way left to object to and draw attention to the fact that America is on a
dangerous journey towards the cliff of bankruptcy, saddled with ever
increasing debt, because of reckless spending. Meanwhile the Democrats are
trying to ram through $3.5 tril in new reckless spending right now. Of course
won't hear a peep about that from you. It's currently $340K of debt for a family
of four. Are you comfortable with your share? When are our creditors going
to start thinking we can't pay it back? What happens when interest rates
are now longer 2%, but start rising?

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:08:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 12:03:33 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> I know it's not as sexy as the other OT topics, but does anyone know
>> even the slightest good reason for Republicans refusing to vote to
>> increase the US debt limit? And planning to filibuster against the
>> increase?
>>
>> All I can think of is that this is just an effort to goad the Dems into
>> eliminating the filibuster.
>>
>> Or are they sociopaths?
>>
>>
>> Anyone of the usual nudniks who doesn't understand the role of the debt
>> limit would be well advised to read about it before replying.
>
>Have you been living on Mars?

There are a lot of things I don't pay attention to.

Or I forget what has happened.

I forget which it is.

> We've been through this how many times now
>over the past decade or more? The reason is always the same, it's the only
>way left to object to and draw attention to the fact that America is on a

That's like calling attention to your son's drug habit by breaking his
legs. Has making a crisis out of the debt limit and the attention you
say this is for ever gotten anyone closer to a solution? I don't think
so.

>dangerous journey towards the cliff of bankruptcy, saddled with ever
>increasing debt, because of reckless spending.

In the past they've wanted something in trade for voting for it.

This time they didn't. They wanted to separate it from the end of the
budget year, and the Dems did that, temporarily extending spending for 2
months iirc. So if that was what they wanted, they would have then
increased the debt limit, but that didn't soften the Reps on this.


Repititious silly rant deleted.

[trader_4]

I bet if the Democrats offered to forget about the $3.5 tril "infrastructure"
bill, that would do it. Or offered to trim it down to $1 tril and have it
really be for infrastructure, not free child care.

>
> This time they didn't. They wanted to separate it from the end of the
> budget year, and the Dems did that, temporarily extending spending for 2
> months iirc. So if that was what they wanted, they would have then
> increased the debt limit, but that didn't soften the Reps on this.
>

The Republican position is that the Democrats can pass it via a
budget reconciliation move, which would not require any GOP votes.
Even Joe Manchin said he thinks that is an option. What the finer
points are on that issue, IDK.

[Dean Hoffman]

Kabuki Theater. The U.S. has had debt from day one.
<https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm>
The last year the Feds had a surplus was 2001.
<https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/>

[Wade Garrett]

In the words of Thomas Jefferson:

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes."

(Oh, and for those of you educated in government schools where they
don't teach history any more, hewas one of the Founding Fathers.)

--
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.
- Thomas Jefferson

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 3:05:58 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:

> In the words of Thomas Jefferson:
>
> "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes."
>
> (Oh, and for those of you educated in government schools where they

> don't teach history any more, he was one of the Founding Fathers.)

I'd be surprised if anybody on this newsgroup was so educated. We're
all old as dirt.

Cindy Hamilton

[Scott Lurndal]

Wade Garrett <Wa...@cooler.net> writes:
>On 10/5/21 10:52 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

>> Kabuki Theater. The U.S. has had debt from day one.
>> <https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm>
>> The last year the Feds had a surplus was 2001.
>> <https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/>
>>
>In the words of Thomas Jefferson:
>
>"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes."

Did he really say that? Or is that just another internet meme?

"I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican
virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared."
Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816
https://www.loc.gov/resource/mtj1.049_0298_0298/

"I had rather be shut up in a very modest cottage with my books, my family
and a few old friends, dining on simple bacon, and letting the world roll
on as it liked, than to occupy the most splendid post, which any human
power can give."

Thomas Jefferson to Alexander Donald, Feb 7, 1788

"I cannot live without books."
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, Jun 10, 1815

>
>(Oh, and for those of you educated in government schools where they
>don't teach history any more, hewas one of the Founding Fathers.)

Ah, you're referring to Texas, I assume.

>
>--
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
> - Thomas Jefferson

I guess your history classes were lacking. Jefferson never said or wrote that.

https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/democracy-will-cease-exist-spurious-quotation

Here, educate yourself about other Spurious Jefferson Quotations.

https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/tje/spurious-quotations

[danny burstein]

And here we thought you ghost wrote Jefferson's letters...

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[gfre...@aol.com]

These days Jefferson is just another slave owning bigot.
I would be happy if we had another Ross Perot to point out the deep
shit we are in but he doesn't even represent the computer business
these days, much less business in general. Nobody in politics would
let a guy like that even get on TV. He certainly would not be allowed
to get in debates with other politicians.

[trader_4]

Funny you say that, I recall a business guy named Trump bullying his
way right on in to politics with no problems.

[Jim Joyce]

I don't think you'll be seeing much from Ross Perot, going forward. He died
a couple of years ago.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:36:10 -0500, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid>
wrote:

Hence "another".
You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Jim Joyce]

This is too easy.

>"he doesn't even represent the computer business these days, much less business in general"

No shit, because he's dead.

>Nobody in politics would let a guy like that even get on TV.

No shit, because he's dead.

>He certainly would not be allowed to get in debates with other politicians.

No shit, because he's dead. Dead people usually don't get asked to do any
of those things.

[Ed Pawlowski]

But what if there was "another"? Similar, like same ideas. But still
alive.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:44:29 -0500, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid>

You're too short boy, the fast ones go over your head.

Once I said "another" we were talking about that other person. Back to
that reading comprehension.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Trolls don't need logic.