Kilz doesn't contain a lot of pigment. After using it the stains will
still be visible. What it DOES do is keep them from bleeding through the
paint that you apply on top of the Kilz.
Hey!! My advice is free -- take it for what it's worth!
> Since I'm at work this is from memory. I don't think Kilz is shellac
> based. BIN is the shellac based stain killer.
Unless things have changed very recently, KILZ is available in both
shellac based and water based. I've used both, and the shellac based is
far superior - and far smellier, etc. The water based, however, does a
good job, might need more than one coat, and drys looking acceptable for
> In another thread, people have complained about the cost of Kilz. I
> had the same reaction when I painted my house. The walls were cleaned
> and deglossed with TSP and in the bedrooms I used Kilz and then a
> latex topcoat. It looked great.
> In the living room I decided to save the cost of the Kilz and just
> clean and paint. After 4 coats of the same paint as the bedrooms
> I still had color and what I can only describe as previously invisible
> stains bleeding through. I finally went back over the whole thing with
> Kilz and one top coat and it looked great.
Blame the high cost, at least in part, on the lawyers of the world (and I
are one, so I'll say anything I damn well please!!). I handles a case
where a woman working in an office building complained about the odor in
the lobby one morning - nothing noxious, just not pleasant. She said
nothing further, the smell was gone in a short while, and the workers in
another part of the building who were using the KILZ (shellac) departed.
Almost THREE YEARS LATER, a suit is filed claiming she had various and
sundry problems from that admittedly single brief episode. As luck would
have it, her attorney (bless his little ambulance chasing heart) lost
track of her.
I understand that, at least in some places, you now have to sign a
release stating that you are aware of the hazards and that you have read
or will read the instructions, before you can buy the shellac based
KILZ. I always considered this somewhat like putting a warning on
Preparation-H that it is for external use only.
I haven't gotten around to top coating the Kilz I used in my bathroom
over a year ago, on top of a dark pink paint. It looks fine, and seems
to hold up to the moisture well.
It's certainly worth a try as a final coat. At the worst you will have
to put another coat of something else on later.
In another thread, people have complained about the cost of Kilz. I
had the same reaction when I painted my house. The walls were cleaned
and deglossed with TSP and in the bedrooms I used Kilz and then a
latex topcoat. It looked great.
In the living room I decided to save the cost of the Kilz and just
clean and paint. After 4 coats of the same paint as the bedrooms
I still had color and what I can only describe as previously invisible
stains bleeding through. I finally went back over the whole thing with
Kilz and one top coat and it looked great.
Really this isn't a Kilz ad. I'm sure BIN or one of the other stain
blocker/primers would work just as well. The point is, if you don't
know what kind of paint and stains are on the wall it will save you
a lot of time and money to seal the walls first. I hate painting.
"Casey " <cas...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>As a primer, Kilz lacks the pigment necessary to cover, resulting perhaps
>in a visually ugly paint job. Being shellac based, it's somewhat prone to
>drying with some gloss; usually not desired in a ceiling finish.
>Spend the bucks. Paint the ceiling. With "paint".
>> I'm planning to paint a 10 year old textured living room ceiling that
>> has some dark stains showing under the rafters. I have been advised to
>> cover the stains with a product such as Kilz before I paint but my
>> questions is, why can't I paint the entire ceiling with Kilz and leave
>> it at that? Do I need to cover the Kilz with a separate coat of paint?
> I'm planning to paint a 10 year old textured living room ceiling that
> has some dark stains showing under the rafters. I have been advised to
> cover the stains with a product such as Kilz before I paint but my
> questions is, why can't I paint the entire ceiling with Kilz and leave
> it at that? Do I need to cover the Kilz with a separate coat of paint?
No, only if you don't like the finished look of Kilz. And by the way,
don't use the water based - that will take many, many coats to cover
KILZ usually doesn't cover heavy enough on one coat a little bit thinner
than regular ol' paint. but it does a great job covering dark stains and
the like. I think the stuff is great.
Hope this helps
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