OT: Nevada's extra voters

[T]

https://voteref.com/press_releases/1-unprecedented-election-transparency-website-launches

"In Nevada and all other states analyzed so far,
those totals do not match. In Nevada, the discrepancy
is 8,964 -- meaning there are 8,964 fewer voters on
the registration list's voting histories than there
are ballots certified by the state after the election."

Oh, there was no cheating, was there.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Can you break that down by party? Did they all vote the same way?

[Bob F]

Just more Repub lies. Can these people do anything but lie for power?

And "T" always believes the lies! Not really - he really knows the truth
- it's just routine Repub power politics.

"A pay-to-play network of partisan websites masquerading as local news
is promoting yet another false story about voter fraud, and right-wing
figures are echoing the falsehood — this time in the form of a baseless
accusation about Nevada’s voting records.

Last week, a website called Silver State News published a story
featuring an analysis by the newly formed Voter Reference Foundation
that claimed to have found 15 out of Nevada’s 17 counties had logged
more votes than voters in the 2020 election. (The story wasn’t true; a
quick glance at Nevada’s 2020 voting data clearly shows more registered
voters in the 2020 election than votes.)

But the false accusation is nothing new. In the aftermath of the 2020
election, Nevada was one of several battleground states targeted with
election-related misinformation — so much so that the secretary of
state’s office published a “Facts vs. Myths” page debunking the surfeit
of conspiracy theories targeting the state.

And in April, Nevada Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, a Republican,
issued a report categorically denying voter registration shenanigans:
“Our investigation revealed that these allegations and others are based
largely upon an incomplete assessment of voter registration records and
lack of information concerning the processes by which these records are
compiled and maintained.”

Although the Silver State Times' core finding is easily debunked, the
article also contained a number of other red flags. The Voter Reference
Foundation, described in the article as “non-partisan,” is headed by a
GOP activist named Doug Truax, a failed Illinois senate candidate whose
PAC was financed by Chicago-based conservative megadonor Dick Uihlein.

The article also neglects to mention that the only person quoted in the
story, Voter Reference Foundation’s Executive Director, Gina Swoboda,
previously worked for the Trump campaign.

Silver State News, the outlet behind the story, is one in a network of
thousands of hyperpartisan websites disguised as local news but whose
coverage is directed by right-wing political activists.

The site’s parent company, Metric Media, is a collaboration between
former journalist and conservative businessman Brian Timpone — whose
previous local news venture went up in flames after its publications
were revealed to have plagiarized stories, falsified quotes, and
published fake bylines — and a number of Trump-aligned political activists.

The New York Times reported that content on the network's sites is
“directed by political groups and corporate P.R. firms to promote a
Republican candidate or a company, or to smear their rivals.”

In the runup to the 2020 election, Metric Media’s sites were responsible
for misleading stories in Michigan and Illinois (where the East Central
Reporter is owned by Metric). Last fall, Media Matters identified
similar bogus Metric Media stories that were shared by right-wing actors.

Yet the fact that the Nevada voting story was false didn’t deter several
prominent Trump devotees from sharing it online. Liz Harrington,
spokesperson to former President Donald Trump, tweeted a link to the
story that garnered more than 8,500 interactions. Disgraced Trump
attorney Jenna Ellis shared the story on Facebook. So did former
Republican National Committee official Harmeet Dhillon.
"

https://www.mediamatters.org/fake-news/pro-trump-media-amplified-debunked-election-fraud-story-partisan-website-masquerading

[trader_4]

Are you just totally stupid? We know voter turn out is never anywhere
near 100%. In 2020 for the country it was around 60%, which is high.
So how could there possibly be less registered voters in these states
than ballots cast? And WTF is a registration list voting history?

[trader_4]

Mr. T does the exact same thing with Covid. Instead of looking at the
overwhelming, highly credible evidence from around the world that shows
the vaccines are safe and work, he instead looks for anything from anybody
anywhere that agrees with his foolish position and just accepts it.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

I think what he's trying to say is that the number of ballots logged during
voting (I recall big green-bar printouts where the poll workers checked off
the names of voters as they came through, but it's probably more high-tech now)
doesn't match the number of certified ballots.

I doubt absentee ballots are recorded the same way as in-person votes.

Tempest. Teapot.

Cindy Hamilton

[T]

No idea and I don't know how you could figure that out.

I will tell you that if we have a 60% turn out,
it is EXTRAORDINARY.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I guess Trump did turn out the voters. . . against him

[Bob F]

Nobody has ever activated the Democratic voters like trump.

[T]

On 1/9/22 02:48, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think what he's trying to say is that the number of ballots logged during
> voting (I recall big green-bar printouts where the poll workers checked off
> the names of voters as they came through, but it's probably more high-tech now)
> doesn't match the number of certified ballots.
>
> I doubt absentee ballots are recorded the same way as in-person votes.
>
> Tempest. Teapot.

What they were say, not trying to say, was that more
votes were cast than there were registered voters.
They also broke it down by county. Clark and Washoe,
both Democrat strong hold where the worst.

Tempest, teapot, narrative, end justifies the means,
A BROKEN WATER MAIN!!!

If any of you missed the above, the fake broken water
main was a shenanigan the Democrats used to clear
out the poll watchers and stuff the ballot boxes
in her state.

[T]

On 1/9/22 21:43, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I will tell you that if we have a 60% turn out,
>> it is EXTRAORDINARY.
>
>
> I guess Trump did turn out the voters. . . against him

The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
candidate in HISTORY! Brandon rallies could not
fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium
And Brandon's first address to congress got 1/4 the
viewers as Trump's.

You would have to be deliberately dense to not
know something was wrong.

Have you seen any of the Brandon, RINO Ryan debate
back before Brandon got senile? The venal, senile
wiped the floor with the despicable RINO.

This is elder abuse. Brandon belongs in a rest home,
not the leader of the free World.

[T]

On 1/8/22 07:31, Bob F wrote:
> On 1/8/2022 6:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/8/2022 1:11 AM, T wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://voteref.com/press_releases/1-unprecedented-election-transparency-website-launches
>>>
>>>
>>>      "In Nevada and all other states analyzed so far,
>>>      those totals do not match. In Nevada, the discrepancy
>>>      is 8,964 -- meaning there are 8,964 fewer voters on
>>>      the registration list's voting histories than there
>>>      are ballots certified by the state after the election."
>>>
>>> Oh, there was no cheating, was there.
>>>
>>>
>> Can you break that down by party?  Did they all vote the same way?
>>
>
>
> Just more Repub lies. Can these people do anything but lie for power?

--> narrative snipped <--

Hi Bob,

Since you do not usually respond when asked a question
or asked to clarify, it was very interesting to get
what the other side it presenting. So, I get
to see both sides.

Now as far as lying goes, how many years did you guys
push the Russian collusion lie, damaging our foreign
policy? How long did you side push the quid pro qou
lie? How about the Lafayette Square lie? The Trump's
a racist lie? The 1/6 insurrection lie?

And when your side gets caught lying your collective
asses off, you never apologize. You just move on to
the next lie. End justifies the means.

You guys cheated your asses off.

-T

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood
up for something, sometime in your life."
-- Winston Churchill

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/9/22 02:48, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I think what he's trying to say is that the number of ballots logged during
> > voting (I recall big green-bar printouts where the poll workers checked off
> > the names of voters as they came through, but it's probably more high-tech now)
> > doesn't match the number of certified ballots.
> >
> > I doubt absentee ballots are recorded the same way as in-person votes.
> >
> > Tempest. Teapot.
> What they were say, not trying to say, was that more
> votes were cast than there were registered voters.

And any damn fool knows that can't possibly be true. If it were
true, that would be top claim of Trump, Rudy, Pillowhead, etc.
It would be all over the news that any state had more votes cast
than registered voters. For the country there was only 60% turn
out. This claim would mean that your state had over 100%.

> They also broke it down by county. Clark and Washoe,
> both Democrat strong hold where the worst.
>
> Tempest, teapot, narrative, end justifies the means,
> A BROKEN WATER MAIN!!!
>
> If any of you missed the above, the fake broken water
> main was a shenanigan the Democrats used to clear
> out the poll watchers and stuff the ballot boxes
> in her state.

Now you've flipped over to Georgia. We have security video cameras
from the counting area that were reviewed by election officials and
state police and they all agree that didn't happen either.

Why are you so totally invested in such stupid, easily disproven lies?

[Ed Pawlowski]

I won't deny any of what you said. However, many of us disliked Trump
so much we took a chance and voted against him. Not sorry I did.

Trump was the most divisive leader we ever had

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:09:35 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/9/22 21:43, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> I will tell you that if we have a 60% turn out,
> >> it is EXTRAORDINARY.
> >
> >
> > I guess Trump did turn out the voters. . . against him
> The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
> candidate in HISTORY! Brandon rallies could not
> fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium
> And Brandon's first address to congress got 1/4 the
> viewers as Trump's.
>
> You would have to be deliberately dense to not
> know something was wrong.

Like you were just told, Biden didn't need rallies to turn out
the voters, Trump did it for him. And many of us like the fact
that Biden was acting responsibly while hundreds of thousands
were dying, by not holding rallies. Trump held his death rallies,
maskless, no social distancing, Covid is a joke. How did that
work out for Herman Cain?

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:40:32 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/8/22 07:31, Bob F wrote:
> > On 1/8/2022 6:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 1/8/2022 1:11 AM, T wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://voteref.com/press_releases/1-unprecedented-election-transparency-website-launches
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "In Nevada and all other states analyzed so far,
> >>> those totals do not match. In Nevada, the discrepancy
> >>> is 8,964 -- meaning there are 8,964 fewer voters on
> >>> the registration list's voting histories than there
> >>> are ballots certified by the state after the election."
> >>>
> >>> Oh, there was no cheating, was there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Can you break that down by party? Did they all vote the same way?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Just more Repub lies. Can these people do anything but lie for power?
> --> narrative snipped <--
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Since you do not usually respond when asked a question
> or asked to clarify, it was very interesting to get
> what the other side it presenting. So, I get
> to see both sides.
>
> Now as far as lying goes, how many years did you guys
> push the Russian collusion lie, damaging our foreign
> policy?

What damage to our foreign policy? Trump's foreign policy
with regard to Russia was to kiss Putin's ass, to help spread his
lie that Russia had not meddled in the election. Trump sided with
Putin over America, over our intel agencies, over our election
security.

How long did you side push the quid pro qou
> lie? How about the Lafayette Square lie? The Trump's
> a racist lie? The 1/6 insurrection lie?

When it took days to get Trump to denounce white supremacists,
when just days later he reversed with his infamous "there were
very fine people on both sides" statement, there is good reason to
suspect that he is a racist. And there certainly was an insurrection
on Jan 6, I watched it on TV. Trump incited in with two months of
continuous stolen election lies. Then he called them to DC on Jan 6,
where he and others, further incited them:

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore"

Rudy called for "trial by combat"

>
> And when your side gets caught lying your collective
> asses off, you never apologize. You just move on to
> the next lie. End justifies the means.

Right, from the ass hat that believes all of Trump's outrageous lies.

[rbowman]

I think that honor goes to Biden and his henchmen.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/9/22 02:48, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I think what he's trying to say is that the number of ballots logged during
> > voting (I recall big green-bar printouts where the poll workers checked off
> > the names of voters as they came through, but it's probably more high-tech now)
> > doesn't match the number of certified ballots.
> >
> > I doubt absentee ballots are recorded the same way as in-person votes.
> >
> > Tempest. Teapot.
> What they were say, not trying to say, was that more
> votes were cast than there were registered voters.
> They also broke it down by county. Clark and Washoe,
> both Democrat strong hold where the worst.

You snipped the pertinent text, dumbass:

> > there are 8,964 fewer voters on
> > the registration list's voting histories than there
> > are ballots certified by the state after the election."

The voting history, not the number of registered voters.
What is "the registration list's voting histories"?
What is "the list of registered voters"?
Why might the voting history be different from the list
of registered voters?

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:50:37 AM UTC-5, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> > On 1/9/22 02:48, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > I think what he's trying to say is that the number of ballots logged during
> > > voting (I recall big green-bar printouts where the poll workers checked off
> > > the names of voters as they came through, but it's probably more high-tech now)
> > > doesn't match the number of certified ballots.
> > >
> > > I doubt absentee ballots are recorded the same way as in-person votes.
> > >
> > > Tempest. Teapot.
> > What they were say, not trying to say, was that more
> > votes were cast than there were registered voters.
> > They also broke it down by county. Clark and Washoe,
> > both Democrat strong hold where the worst.
> You snipped the pertinent text, dumbass:
> > > there are 8,964 fewer voters on
> > > the registration list's voting histories than there
> > > are ballots certified by the state after the election."
> The voting history, not the number of registered voters.
> What is "the registration list's voting histories"?

I asked that question yesterday or day before, no answer.
The process here is to throw out any kind of number, not worry
about what it really means, then say, look, look, we have 40k here
and 35K there, fraud!

> What is "the list of registered voters"?
> Why might the voting history be different from the list
> of registered voters?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

And meanwhile election officials of both parties that know what
the numbers really are and what they mean, say there is no evidence
of any widespread fraud that could have changed the results. Why
would Republicans all be lying? I trust
their judgment over Mr. T, Rudy, Powell, Pillowhead, et al, that have
been totally unable to come up with anything of substance despite
desperately trying for over a year now. I expect these characters
are going to lose their defamation lawsuits where they made all their
lying, BS claims. I eagerly await that.

[Bob F]

Same day registration would easily account for this claim, if it turned
out to be true, which is almost always not the case.

https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/elections/election-information/same-day-registration

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 07:40:10 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> I won't deny any of what you said. However, many of us disliked Trump
>> so much we took a chance and voted against him. Not sorry I did.
>>
>> Trump was the most divisive leader we ever had
>
> I think that honor goes to Biden and his henchmen.

If you are a diehard Trumptard, yes, Trumptard. <G>

[T]

On 1/11/22 06:05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> However, many of us disliked Trump
> so much we took a chance and voted against him.  Not sorry I did.
>
> Trump was the most divisive leader we ever had

Hi Ed,

If I had listened to American Pravda, I would have
thought he was the biggest bastard that ever walked
the face of this earth. I was at a customer site
about two years ago and they had MSNBC blaring.
The absolute HATRED BLARING out the screen was
something to behold.

If you listen to what Trump actually says, not the
Pravda cut up version, you see a whole different
picture. The Charlottesville slice and dice job
is a good example of their yellow journalism.

Keep in mind the Trump was sent their to clean
up the entrenched special interests (the swamp)
and that the special interests has no intention
of going down the drain quietly.

And hate was all they have anymore. These "wokies"
DO NOT debate in the arena of ideas as you and I
have done and are doing. They are the most intolerant
folk on the face of this earth. They have no
place in a representative republic were open and
free exchange of idea is a requirement. But they
do not get criticized for it. Instead they get
lionized for it as Pravda controls the media.

The divisiveness is Trump fighting back again the
hate mongering. He did not go along to get along,
so he was labeled "decisive". The fact tht
he had the haters collectively crapping in their
pants, sorry, panites, meant he was doing the
job he was sent there to do.

Love the $5 a gallon gasoline.

-T

[T]

Ed,

Keep in mind that the haters that are going after
Trump also go after anyone who disagrees with
them. They call it "social responsibility"
or "cancel culture". They literally will attempt
to get you fired and ruin you life if you dare
to disagree with them.

This is not the first time in history this evil
nonsense has been deployed. The "National"
in "National Socialism" does not stand for
"Nationalism". It stand for "National Unity".
specifically "Gleichschaltung".

Gleichschaltung – the restructuring of German
society and government into streamlined,
centralized hierarchies of power, with the
intention of gaining total control and
co-ordination of all aspects of society.
Institutionalized Gleichschaltung of the
National Socialist government as comprehensive
in scope and depth. For the Nazis, Gleichschaltung
meant absolute unequivocal conformity and
obedience. Such uniform programming of thought
was part propaganda induced, partly the result
of the Gestapo enforcement mechanism, and part
social pressure from every direction; it was
of paramount importance to act uniformly if
one wanted to remain a member of the Volksgenossen.

Germans would put out Nazi flags in from of their
houses to prove the "conformed", lest they get dragged
out in the street and beaten or "canceled". We see
this in our own society if you dare to say there are only
two sexes, the jab should be a person choice. Brendan
Eich was fired from Mozilla for voting against the Gay
Rights initiative. (His Brave Browser that he started
after bind "cancelled" is a really good alternative
to both Chrome and Firefox.) The list goes on
and on.

Things have slowly started to change around now. Bill
Mahr, Dave Chappell have stood up to these Fascist
wannabees. Liberals use to be big defenders of the
Bill or Rights and open dialog. Hopefully your side
will clean out the Fascists (progressives)
from your movement and we can all get back to having
civil dialogs with each other.

You know Liberals use to sometimes have good points too.
Now it is just hatred from your side.

"Wokies" are some evil folks. The decisiveness is not
Trump fault. He was doing his job and not bending
to the entrenched special interest's intolerance.

Ed, please take your movement back for the good of
the Republic.

-T

A couple of quotes from Dave Chappel, a liberal
I soundly disagree with but respect greatly:

"Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first
is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle,
you must fear or hate them. The second is that
to love someone means you agree with everything
they believe, say, or do. Both are nonsense.
You don't have to compromise convictions to be
compassionate."
--David Chappelle

"I support anyone's right to be who they want to be.
My question is: to what extent do I have to participate
in your self-image?"
--David Chappelle

[T]

On 1/11/22 06:50, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> You snipped the pertinent text, dumbass:

You ever get that water main fixed?

[Ed Pawlowski]

How is the trade war going? Did the check from Mexico clear?

I really had hope for Trump nearly on but he is as sleazy as anyone ever
in that position. He wants to be dictator and admires other dictators.

Like Hitler, one of the first things he did was vilify the press. Just
start with the inauguration numbers and work from there.

Did you benefit from the tax cut the wealthy got? How is his deficit
going for you?

[Scott Lurndal]

Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> writes:
>On 1/11/2022 12:53 PM, T wrote:

>> Love the $5 a gallon gasoline.
>>
>> -T
>>
>How is the trade war going? Did the check from Mexico clear?

Why bother responding to Todd (T)? He's clearly out of
his mind, he can't even remember GWB's $5.00 gas in 2008,
nor does he seem to be familiar with the volatility in
energy prices since 1970.


"Indeed, gas prices have fluctuated within and across administrations,
with little correlation to which president or party is in power. As with
most things, the price of gasoline is determined not by the president,
but rather by the state of the economy and the balance of supply and demand."

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

The water pipe in State Farm Arena in Georgia? Not my problem.

Cindy Hamilton

[T]

On 1/11/22 10:59, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> He wants to be dictator and admires other dictators.
>
> Like Hitler, one of the first things he did was vilify the press.  Just
> start with the inauguration numbers and work from there.

Ed,

Did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it?

A dictator does not remove barriers and remove
regulations. A dictator does not increase liberty
and freedom.

Pravda is NOT the press. The hatred and
disinformation they spread is not the "news".
They do ZERO investigative journalism. They
are propaganda narrative enforcers. At
best they are political commentators.
Trump was completely correct to vilify these
odious propagandists.

For example, any 3rd grade investigative reporter
could have easily figure out that the Russia
Collusion narrative was an outright lie. Did
Pravda ever even check it out? Did Pravda
ever apologize for repeating an outright lie
for four years?

In the Soviet Unions, which was identical to the
Nazis except for the language they spoke, there was
a saying:

There is no Izvestia in Pravda and no Pravda
in Izvestia.

There is no News in the Truth and no Truth
in the News.

Here is a test for you. The more right wing, the
more freedom, liberty and less intrusion / regulations
on your life.

The more Left Wing, the more intrusions on your life,
the more regulations and restrictions and the less
freedom and liberty.

As far as the Nazis go

1) Conformity / political correctness
2) hatred
3) socialism
4) Marxism
5) gun confiscation
6) animal rights
7) abortion / infanticide
8) use of homosexual activists (brown shirts)
9) anti religious
10) cancel culture (social responsibility)
11) anti free speech
12) anti free press
13) racists

Sound familiar? The above sound like your wokies
(progressives)? Intolerant and racists as all hell.

Oh ya, black folks is too stupid to show ID to vote.
OH NO INSULT THERE!

Oh and while we are at it, stand by and let Marxists
burn their businesses and neighborhoods down, then
defund the police.

Ed! Take back your movement! I want the old
time Liberals back that believed in the Bill of Rights
and free and open interchange of ideas and information.

As was done in the Soviet Unions, let us both climb
up on those statues of Lenin pointing to the future and
hang a steamy hot bucket of bull s*** on his arm.
(Some brave folks they were.)

-T


Speaking of propaganda narratives, the Nazis were
FLAMING LEFTISTS, not right wingers.

[T]

On 1/11/22 11:08, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Why bother responding to Todd (T)? He's clearly out of
> his mind, he can't even remember GWB's $5.00 gas in 2008,
> nor does he seem to be familiar with the volatility in
> energy prices since 1970.
>
>
> "Indeed, gas prices have fluctuated within and across administrations,
> with little correlation to which president or party is in power. As with
> most things, the price of gasoline is determined not by the president,
> but rather by the state of the economy and the balance of supply and demand."

And ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to with the venil, senile
closing down pipelines and Anwar or doubling the price
to drill on public leases or canceling new drilling
on public lands. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! Nothing I
TELL YOU!!! NOTHING TO DO WITH RUINING OUR ENERGY
INDEPENDENCE!!!! NOTHING!!!!!!

LET ALL GO BUY COAL POWERED (EV) CARS NOW! BE GOOD
LITTLE CONFORMISTS!

LGB

[T]

Yes your problem. Your side ran out the poll watchers
by lying about a water leak so they could stuff your
ballot boxes in secret. Oh ya, no cheating at all.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

You know, I was looking for information on what happened
that night, but I realized it was a waste of time. You are not
receptive to facts, only to the voices in your head.

Cindy Hamilton

[%]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> On 1/11/22 10:59, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> He wants to be dictator and admires other dictators.
>>
>> Like Hitler, one of the first things he did was vilify the press. Just
>> start with the inauguration numbers and work from there.
>
> Ed,
>
> Did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it?

You clearly don’t.

> A dictator does not remove barriers and remove regulations.

Both Hitler and Mussolini did both.

A dictator does not increase liberty
> and freedom.

Both Hitler and Mussolini did both.

<reams of your even sillier pig ignorant shit flushed where it belongs>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/11/2022 1:51 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/11/22 09:53, T wrote:
>> On 1/11/22 06:05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> However, many of us disliked Trump
>>> so much we took a chance and voted against him.  Not sorry I did.

> Ed, please take your movement back for the good of
> the Republic.
>
> -T
>
> A couple of quotes from Dave Chappel, a liberal
> I soundly disagree with but respect greatly:
>
>    "Our culture has accepted two huge lies.  The first
>    is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle,
>    you must fear or hate them.  The second is that
>    to love someone means you agree with everything
>    they believe, say, or do.  Both are nonsense.
>    You don't have to compromise convictions to be
>    compassionate."
>       --David Chappelle
>
>    "I support anyone's right to be who they want to be.
>    My question is: to what extent do I have to participate
>    in your self-image?"
>      --David Chappelle

They are nonsense. My dearest friend for over 45 years that I love is a
fan of Trump. She thinks he was good, same as you. I don't try to
change her mind, she does not try to change mine.

The good of the Republic is to not have a wannabe dictator that tells
lies and ignores the constitution and accepts the will of the voters in
an HONEST election.

[Ed Pawlowski]

That's a poor attitude. I sent a roll of Flex Seal.

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:09:49 +1100, %, better known as cantankerous trolling
senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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[rbowman]

Atlanta needs more than a roll of Flex Seal. I went to Underground
Atlanta around '71 and it was fun. They were touting it as the next
Faneuil Hall for a tourist attraction. It took 5 years to turn to shit.
The next time I was in Atlanta the desk clerk at the hotel advised me to
steer clear of the area.

[T]

On 1/11/22 13:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> They are nonsense.  My dearest friend for over 45 years that I love is a
> fan of Trump.  She thinks he was good, same as you.  I don't try to
> change her mind, she does not try to change mine.

I am not trying to change your mind about Trump. I
am trying to get you to act like liberals of the past
that believed in the open exchange of information
and ideas

> The good of the Republic is to not have a wannabe dictator that tells
> lies and ignores the constitution and accepts the will of the voters in
> an HONEST election.

Trump followed the constitution most closely that any
president in my memory.

What Al Gore a dictator wanna be for not accepting
his election defeat? Was Hillary a dictator wanna
be for not accepting her loss?

Trump has every right to complain about what was
a clearly tainted election. That does not make
him a dictator.

You want a dictator, Brandon and his mandates is a
good example. Add to that him using the FBI and
Justice department as his personal Gestapo
persecuting parents as domestic terrorists is
another.

[T]

Facts? You mean propaganda narratives. Your
side lies their asses off all the time.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:54:27 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Atlanta needs more than a roll of Flex Seal. I went to Underground
> Atlanta around '71 and it was fun. They were touting it as the next
> Faneuil Hall for a tourist attraction. It took 5 years to turn to shit.
> The next time I was in Atlanta the desk clerk at the hotel advised me to
> steer clear of the area.

WTF is WRONG with you, you self-important bigmouthed senile braggart? <G>

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
"It's been years since I've been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy's because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/12/2022 1:22 AM, T wrote:

>
> Trump followed the constitution most closely that any
> president in my memory.
>
> What Al Gore a dictator wanna be for not accepting
> his election defeat?  Was Hillary a dictator wanna
> be for not accepting her loss?
>
> Trump has every right to complain about what was
> a clearly tainted election.  That does not make
> him a dictator.

Waiting for the evidence.

I know you won't believe this since it is the American media

https://tinyurl.com/3ynudz9w
The House panel also reportedly unearthed "forged" certificates of
ascertainment – sent to the National Archives – declaring Trump as the
official winner of the presidential election in both Michigan and
Arizona. According to Politico, Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn
Benson and Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs had sent these
certificates to the January 6 panel, which questioned both officials.
The National Archives sent the forgeries via emails to Hobbs' in early
December notifying her office that the documents wouldn't be accepted
because they are forgeries.

The forged Arizona certificate was apparently sent by a pro-Trump
"sovereign citizen group" led by Lori Osiecki, who "attended the
post-election rallies protesting the results, including the daylong
meeting in Phoenix that included Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani,"
according to The Arizona Republic.

Throughout 2021, numerous GOP-backed "forensic audits" were launched in
states like Arizona and Pennsylvania to probe the integrity of the 2020
election count. None have turned up any evidence of outcome-altering fraud

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

You're right. Next time I'll send Mighty Putty.

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/11/22 06:05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > However, many of us disliked Trump
> > so much we took a chance and voted against him. Not sorry I did.
> >
> > Trump was the most divisive leader we ever had
> Hi Ed,
>
> If I had listened to American Pravda, I would have
> thought he was the biggest bastard that ever walked
> the face of this earth. I was at a customer site
> about two years ago and they had MSNBC blaring.
> The absolute HATRED BLARING out the screen was
> something to behold.

Of course similar doesn't go on at Fox, AON, the right wing
radio talk shows? And MSNBC has a small audience.
All you had to do was look at what Trump said and did to
reach the proper conclusions about him. The final exit act,
the two months of lies, the insurrection proved how right we
were all along.

>
> If you listen to what Trump actually says, not the
> Pravda cut up version, you see a whole different
> picture. The Charlottesville slice and dice job
> is a good example of their yellow journalism.

Amazing that you'd bring that up. Let's review. First it took
days to get Trump to come out and condemn Nazis and white
supremacists. Finally he did, but then just a few days later
he reversed. We have him on video, in the lobby of Trump Tower,
speaking to the press about Charlottesville. About ten minutes
in, he said "there were very fine people on both sides". What very
fine people rally and march with white supremacists, KKK, and Nazis?
Would you? We have video of these people holding rifles, standing
outside a synagogue while Jews held service inside. A picture
straight out of Nazi Germany. All that is factual and documented.
Trump also had the opportunity to correct what he said, if he had
somehow made it in error. He never did. In the following days
all three of his presidential committees on jobs, economy, etc that
Trump had picked as representing the best of America, resigned in
disgust. All of the above is factual and documented for history
no matter how much you try to deny it.

>
> Keep in mind the Trump was sent their to clean
> up the entrenched special interests (the swamp)
> and that the special interests has no intention
> of going down the drain quietly.

Right, the old poor widdle Trump line, everybody just hates him
for no reason, there is a huge conspiracy. What part of this swamp
did Trump drain? If he drained a little somewhere, he sure added
far more sewage in other areas.

>
> And hate was all they have anymore. These "wokies"
> DO NOT debate in the arena of ideas as you and I
> have done and are doing.

There you go again, but you yourself won't debate the above,
because you know it's factual and you can't.

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/11/22 10:59, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > He wants to be dictator and admires other dictators.
> >
> > Like Hitler, one of the first things he did was vilify the press. Just
> > start with the inauguration numbers and work from there.
> Ed,
>
> Did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it?

I'm sure Ed did, but do you ever think about what you post as
opposed to getting your spam fed to you by team Trump?

>
> A dictator does not remove barriers and remove
> regulations. A dictator does not increase liberty
> and freedom.
>
> Pravda is NOT the press. The hatred and
> disinformation they spread is not the "news".
> They do ZERO investigative journalism. They
> are propaganda narrative enforcers. At
> best they are political commentators.
> Trump was completely correct to vilify these
> odious propagandists.

Exactly the kind of thing Adolf Hitler would say to justify
his discrediting a free press. And I note you did not respond
to Ed's perfect example, how Trump attacked the press the night of his
inauguration because they correctly reported the size of his
inauguration crowd and compared it to Obama's. Trump,
being a narcissistic megalomaniac could not stand it and he
did what narcissists do. They perceive anything other than fawning
adulation as a direct, savage attack and lash out. And that's
what he did, he ordered Sean Spicer, his new press secretary,
to call in the press and berate them. At a time a normal person
would be celebrating and happy, Trump was instead angry and
in full attack mode. Spicer standing there, pathetically lying to
the press about the crowd size, attacking, destroyed Spicer.
Within a few months Trump was done using him up, he was
one of the first to be discarded and thrown under the bus by
Trump.

[trader_4]

Security video cameras were running the whole time and tell the
true story for anyone that will look. That includes GA election officials
and the state police that looked into the allegations. Even Rudy had
the tapes. But what did Rudy do? He claimed that "suitcases" of
ballots were brought in, that election workers pulled them from
under a table and that he had no idea where they came from.
That lying POS appeared before the GA legislative committee, after
having a week or more to figure out the truth. He played a piece of
video that showed workers resuming the counting that night at
State Arena, removing containers
from under a table that contained ballots, then resuming the counting.
So right there we have lie number one, they were not "suitcases",
they were plastic containers that were being used to hold ballots
as they were being counted there all night long.

But then it gets far worse. Rudy claimed they don't know were those
ballots came from. He also played a video from early on election day,
of an election official arriving around 7am and was comparing that woman
to a woman in the video where the ballots were removed from under a table,
saying she was the same person, implying that maybe she brought them in
early that morning. With me so far? So what did the election officials,
state police, our free press find? All you had to do was back up the
video Rudy used a couple of hours to where counting was ordered stopped.
At that point you clearly see election workers who had been counting
ballots stop, take the ballots in containers that they had been counting
and put them under the table from which they were later retrieved.

So, Rudy could find the ballots being pulled out from under the table,
he could find video from 7AM that morning, but he couldn't find the
most obvious, relevant video from just a couple hours earlier, to see
what happened when counting stopped, where the ballots came from?
i believe some of those involved in this just filed another lawsuit against
POS Rudy for defamation relating to this. And this is an example of
why the lying shyster has been disbarred.

[trader_4]

That's the worst thing that Trump did. Being a narcissistic megalomaniac
he could not accept losing. So instead, he did what he does most of the
time, lie and try to force his way, try to overturn the votes of the American
people. We expect that from Trump. What is so shocking is how he's conned
and continues to con most Republicans into believing it. Just look at what
many Republicans were saying on Jan6 and the days after, like Kevin McCarthy,
who's life was in jeopardy that day, who called Trump, pleading for him to
come out and tell them to stop. He said Trump was responsible for Jan 6.
Within a few weeks, he and most of the rest changed their tune and quickly
rejoined the lying shyster's train to hell. McCarthy went down to Mar a Lago
to pay homage to Trump and make amends. Which of those McCarthys
was genuine and which one was just another liar for their own political career?

[trader_4]

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 1:22:30 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/11/22 13:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > They are nonsense. My dearest friend for over 45 years that I love is a
> > fan of Trump. She thinks he was good, same as you. I don't try to
> > change her mind, she does not try to change mine.
> I am not trying to change your mind about Trump. I
> am trying to get you to act like liberals of the past
> that believed in the open exchange of information
> and ideas
> > The good of the Republic is to not have a wannabe dictator that tells
> > lies and ignores the constitution and accepts the will of the voters in
> > an HONEST election.
> Trump followed the constitution most closely that any
> president in my memory.

Right, like by refusing to do what ever other president has done
and accept the election results and instead whip up an insurrection
with two months of despicable lies, in a desperate attempt to stay
in office?

>
> What Al Gore a dictator wanna be for not accepting
> his election defeat? Was Hillary a dictator wanna
> be for not accepting her loss?

Those are lies. Gore challenged the election results because they
hinged on parts of one state and there were valid issues as to how
to count ballots in a poor system that relied on punching out chads
on paper ballots. The difference was only a couple hundred votes.
He had a right to argue how they should be counted, to pursue it in
court. Once the SC ruled, Gore accepted the decision and the results.
He didn't whip up the country for another month with lies, he didn't call
his supporters to the Capitol on the day Congress was to certify the
results, whip them into a frenzy and send them to go fight like hell
As VP Gore was there on inauguration day too.

Same with Hillary, she didn't go tell lies for two months, whip up
her side, stage an insurrection either. She accepted that she lost.

[trader_4]

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

The first 5,276 false things Donald Trump said as U.S. president

[Marilyn Manson]

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:09:35 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/9/22 21:43, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> I will tell you that if we have a 60% turn out,
> >> it is EXTRAORDINARY.
> >
> >
> > I guess Trump did turn out the voters. . . against him
> The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
> candidate in HISTORY!
>
True.

Also true: Trump got the second most votes of any
candidate in history.

If "high vote count" means that a candidate cheated, then (by
your reasoning) that makes Trump the second best cheater
in election history. IOW...a loser again.

> Brandon rallies could not
> fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium

The Presidential Election Process does not mention Rally Attendance.

https://www.usa.gov/election#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20electors%20each,270%20votes%20or%20more%20wins.

> And Brandon's first address to congress got 1/4 the
> viewers as Trump's.

The Presidential Election Process does not mention TV viewership.

https://www.usa.gov/election#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20electors%20each,270%20votes%20or%20more%20wins.

[Jim Joyce]

Michigan and Arizona were the first two states identified as sending
forged election documents, but yesterday Nevada, Georgia, and Wisconsin
have been added to the list. It'll be interesting to see if more get
shaken from the tree.

[T]

Ya, so what. You have just proved idiots abound everywhere.

[T]

On 1/12/22 09:00, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
>> candidate in HISTORY!
>>
> True.
>
> Also true: Trump got the second most votes of any
> candidate in history.
>
> If "high vote count" means that a candidate cheated, then (by
> your reasoning) that makes Trump the second best cheater
> in election history. IOW...a loser again.
>

1) If Brandon got so many votes, where is the enthusiasm
for him? Why was his first address to congress only
watched by 1/4 the audience as Trumps? Why can he
not fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium?

2) A high vote count means a healthy process. Too high,
as in OVER 100% and folks over 110 years old voting, is a problem.

3) 96% voting for Brandon is statistically impossible,
even in the most Blue of regions. But then again those
votes magically showed up on the wee hours of the morning.

Your side cheated your asses off.

LGB

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, and the idiots actually believe Trump won. I'd not take his word
that the sky is blue.

Waiting for the evidence.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/14/2022 6:36 PM, T wrote:

>
> 1)  If Brandon got so many votes, where is the enthusiasm
> for him?  Why was his first address to congress only
> watched by 1/4 the audience as Trumps?  Why can he
> not fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium?
>
> 2)  A high vote count means a healthy process.  Too high,
> as in OVER 100% and folks over 110 years old voting, is a problem.
>
> 3) 96% voting for Brandon is statistically impossible,
> even in the most Blue of regions.  But then again those
> votes magically showed up on the wee hours of the morning.
>
> Your side cheated your asses off.
>
> LGB
>
>

1. Many of us are not all that enthusiastic about him but we are glad
Trump is gone. The price you pay.
As for the auditorium, many of us are smart enough to avoid crowds right
now.

2 and 3. Waiting for the evidence. Not some Facebook post or from
liars like Trump.

[T]

On 1/14/22 15:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Ya, so what.  You have just proved idiots abound everywhere.
>
> Yes, and the idiots actually believe Trump won. I'd not take his word
> that the sky is blue.
>
> Waiting for the evidence.

I do not believe ANY evidence would rise to your
expectations.

Love those $5 a gallon gasoline prices!

[Ed Pawlowski]

Of course it would. So far the courts have tossed it all. Those Trump
appointed judges had enough ethics to kick it out.

Gas is $3.14 here.

I'll wait.

[Marilyn Manson]

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 1/12/22 09:00, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
> >> candidate in HISTORY!
> >>
> > True.
> >
> > Also true: Trump got the second most votes of any
> > candidate in history.
> >
> > If "high vote count" means that a candidate cheated, then (by
> > your reasoning) that makes Trump the second best cheater
> > in election history. IOW...a loser again.
> >
> 1) If Brandon got so many votes, where is the enthusiasm
> for him? Why was his first address to congress only
> watched by 1/4 the audience as Trumps? Why can he
> not fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium?

Once again, you're are citing examples that have nothing to do
with *voting*. Stop wasting everyone's time repeating the same
crap about unrelated events. I didn't attend a single political rally
nor did I watch his first address. That doesn't say a damn thing about
who I voted for.

>
> 2) A high vote count means a healthy process. Too high,
> as in OVER 100% and folks over 110 years old voting, is a problem.

Where's your verified cite for either of those? Each time you post an
inaccurate claim, you just make yourself look stupider and stupider.

>
> 3) 96% voting for Brandon is statistically impossible,
> even in the most Blue of regions. But then again those
> votes magically showed up on the wee hours of the morning.

Where's your verified cite for either of those? Each time you post an
inaccurate claim, you just make yourself look stupider and stupider.

BTW...How's that audit thing going?

[trader_4]

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-5, T wrote:

> On 1/12/22 09:00, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> The venal, senile got, haha, the most votes of any
> >> candidate in HISTORY!
> >>
> > True.
> >
> > Also true: Trump got the second most votes of any
> > candidate in history.
> >
> > If "high vote count" means that a candidate cheated, then (by
> > your reasoning) that makes Trump the second best cheater
> > in election history. IOW...a loser again.
> >
> 1) If Brandon got so many votes, where is the enthusiasm
> for him? Why was his first address to congress only
> watched by 1/4 the audience as Trumps? Why can he
> not fill the first three rows of a high skool auditorium?

As has been explained to you here so many times now, a whole
lot of people didn't vote for Biden because they liked him or
though he was a great candidate. They voted AGAINST Trump.
I'm one of them.

>
> 2) A high vote count means a healthy process. Too high,
> as in OVER 100% and folks over 110 years old voting, is a problem.

It would be, except of course, that never happened, it's just another
lie.

>
> 3) 96% voting for Brandon is statistically impossible,
> even in the most Blue of regions. But then again those
> votes magically showed up on the wee hours of the morning.

Depends on what you call a "region". It's certainly possible to hit
a very high number in certain precincts, eg black inner cities.
And nothing magically showed up in the wee hours of the morning.
For months before the election it was known that Democrats were
OK with voting by absentee ballot, while Trump told Republicans that
was fraud. It was predicted over and over what the result would be,
that the absentee ballots would be heavily weighted with Democrat
voters. It was absentee ballots being counted after the polls closed,
that night into the next day. No vast conspiracy, no matter how much
Trump and you sycophants triy to lie about it. I saw Trump on TV that
night, around 1AM, claiming he won, when none of the key states had
been called yet, demanding that any further counting be stopped
because it was fraud. Trump knew those absentee ballots were
weighted against him, he tried to deny those people their votes.
It was beyond despicable. When that didn't work, he moved on to
threatening election officials, trying to get Pence to ignore the votes
and Constitution, calling his supporters to DC on Jan 6, inciting
an insurrection.

[trader_4]

+1

Team Trump lost all their suits, all the way to the SC, like you say,
Republican conservative judges that Trump appointed, ruled against
his BS. And we still have the many defamation suits going against
Rudy, Powell, Pillowhead, et al. I eagerly await the outcomes there.
But so far Powell's defense isn't that her claims were true and to prove
any of them, it's that no reasonable person should have believed the BS
she was hurling was true. Rudy, his defense is that he was in a hurry,
no time to check and see if the claims he was putting forth were true or not.
I think there is a good chance Dominion will wind up owning a pillow
company and Rudy will be bankrupt. He's already disbarred.

[T]

On 1/14/22 17:32, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Of course it would.  So far the courts have tossed it all.

You just repeated a propaganda narrative.

Here is the truth:

2020 US Presidential Election Related Lawsuits:
http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, a pathetic showing when you look at the results.

[trader_4]

From Mr. T's own link, every Trump/GOP case after the Nov 2020 election they
either lost or withdrew. Not a single win. The other cases were over procedural
issues BEFORE the election.

Trump just lost another one that we knew was going to be a loser. The SC ruled
8-1 that his claim to exec privilege regarding turning over Jan 6 evidence to
Congress was BS. They said there was no need to get to his claim that as an
ex-president he can still exert exec privilege. The SC said that his claim
failed every test, even if he was the sitting president there would be no valid
exec privilege, end of story. All three Trump appointees, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh,
Barrett voted with the majority, only Clarence Thomas dissented. I'm sure that's
a hard blow for Trump, who thinks anyone he appointed owes their allegiance
to him, not the Constitution and country.