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Lifting a heavy outdoor pizza oven (1,300 lbs), 41" high and moving it a few feet to place over a base
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gonzalo...@gmail.com
Aug 20, 2018, 2:29:54 PM8/20/18
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A bit of context:
My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
This is my actual question:
In the picture provided at the bottom of this post you will see the metal base on the left and the oven on the right. What I need to do is to lift this 1,300 lbs oven up 41" and place it onto the base. I'm looking for suggestions because the following methods seem to have their own issues:
1. Engine Hoist: This was used to get the oven off a large pickup truck with the help of 5 guys. Anyway, the issues seem to be the following;
1a. Depending on the engine hoist, it may not be able to lift the oven high enough.
1b. The "V" design of the hoist legs leaves for two options when placing the oven on top of the base. The first one is for both legs to fit outside of the base. The second one is for one of the legs to fit underneath the horizontal bar in the front of the base. Since the horizontal bar is 4.5" off the ground, that does not have much clearance for the leg of the engine hoist where each endpoint in the "V" design has a wheel. In short, I'm afraid that the engine hoist may not be up to the task.
2. Gantry: I've looked at the Sumner GH2T gantries and I believe they all (the 15', 12', 10' and 8') models have a max height of 114" to the lifting eye. When you add the heights together, 41" for the base, 36" for the oven, 11" hoist, and 26" for give, slack, etc, it looks like the gantry will work. The only problem is that the gantries are wide and even the 8' model will make it so that I will have to remove a tree.
3. compact forklift: These guys cannot go up a gradient such as the one that leads to the oven. This would be the easiest thing to do by far although getting the forklift to where the oven is does not sound feasible.
So, having said all of that, does anyone have any suggestion as to how else to lift up this 1,300 lbs oven and placing it on top of the base? I'm open to any ideas. Thanks a ton!
Picture of base (left) and oven (right)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B155LI6VUEfwMTJVNDRrS1lBUlJpN21LUzlmSm1vcmtBY2VJ
My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
This is my actual question:
In the picture provided at the bottom of this post you will see the metal base on the left and the oven on the right. What I need to do is to lift this 1,300 lbs oven up 41" and place it onto the base. I'm looking for suggestions because the following methods seem to have their own issues:
1. Engine Hoist: This was used to get the oven off a large pickup truck with the help of 5 guys. Anyway, the issues seem to be the following;
1a. Depending on the engine hoist, it may not be able to lift the oven high enough.
1b. The "V" design of the hoist legs leaves for two options when placing the oven on top of the base. The first one is for both legs to fit outside of the base. The second one is for one of the legs to fit underneath the horizontal bar in the front of the base. Since the horizontal bar is 4.5" off the ground, that does not have much clearance for the leg of the engine hoist where each endpoint in the "V" design has a wheel. In short, I'm afraid that the engine hoist may not be up to the task.
2. Gantry: I've looked at the Sumner GH2T gantries and I believe they all (the 15', 12', 10' and 8') models have a max height of 114" to the lifting eye. When you add the heights together, 41" for the base, 36" for the oven, 11" hoist, and 26" for give, slack, etc, it looks like the gantry will work. The only problem is that the gantries are wide and even the 8' model will make it so that I will have to remove a tree.
3. compact forklift: These guys cannot go up a gradient such as the one that leads to the oven. This would be the easiest thing to do by far although getting the forklift to where the oven is does not sound feasible.
So, having said all of that, does anyone have any suggestion as to how else to lift up this 1,300 lbs oven and placing it on top of the base? I'm open to any ideas. Thanks a ton!
Picture of base (left) and oven (right)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B155LI6VUEfwMTJVNDRrS1lBUlJpN21LUzlmSm1vcmtBY2VJ
Ed Pawlowski
Aug 20, 2018, 3:12:26 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 2:29 PM, gonzalo...@gmail.com wrote:
> A bit of context:
>
> My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
>
>
> This is my actual question:
>
> In the picture provided at the bottom of this post you will see the metal base on the left and the oven on the right. What I need to do is to lift this 1,300 lbs oven up 41" and place it onto the base. I'm looking for suggestions because the following methods seem to have their own issues:
>
> 1. Engine Hoist: This was used to get the oven off a large pickup truck with the help of 5 guys. Anyway, the issues seem to be the following;
Looks like a nice setup. Engine hoist was my first though, fork lift
> A bit of context:
>
> My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
>
>
> This is my actual question:
>
> In the picture provided at the bottom of this post you will see the metal base on the left and the oven on the right. What I need to do is to lift this 1,300 lbs oven up 41" and place it onto the base. I'm looking for suggestions because the following methods seem to have their own issues:
>
> 1. Engine Hoist: This was used to get the oven off a large pickup truck with the help of 5 guys. Anyway, the issues seem to be the following;
the second. Third, and probably too late, is to position the oven, lift
it in place, put the base under it and lower. You could probably do
that with four jacks.
Not cheap, but you can call a rigging company. There is always a crane.
some guy
Aug 20, 2018, 3:33:53 PM8/20/18
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I was actually already thinking about the third option and was thinking about what materials I would need. Right now I'm also in the middle of building a tree house for my toddler and happen to have four 10' 4x4 pressure treated posts. The oven is at most 42" wide so I could build a frame where I would want the oven, use a hand forklift to move in in place, lift it, put the frame below it and then lower it. Since the oven is 1,300lbs, do you think that the 4x4 pressure treaded wood posts can be used here? I would space two posts 43" apart and put another post on top of the two just mentioned. The vertical posts will probably be fine though I'm not sure about the horizontal one. Do you think it could take the load? If not, would you get a steel beam? What else? I think I'm getting close here.
dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 3:38:42 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 2:12 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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> Looks like a nice setup. Engine hoist was my first though, fork lift
> the second. Third, and probably too late, is to position the oven, lift
> it in place, put the base under it and lower. You could probably do
> that with four jacks.
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I'd think something like that, too...altho isn't clear to me whether the
base of the oven is what it is sitting on or whether it's propped on
something to be able to get the cart forks out. The Q? is getting
support outside the frame to get the frame between...if can get even
small diameter pipe under it, it can be rolled to get it moved on
grade...the Powermatic planar was 1600 lb and that's how I got it from
the front of the barn to where needed it to go past where the utility
tractor could get.
Just have to be very careful to lift and block securely; 40" is quite a
ways off the ground.
One other would be also to move into place by one way or another and
construct a temporary a-frame and rent or borrow a chain hoist to do the
lifting. It's got to be reasonably stout and braced well enough to not
do a sideways collapse but doable...
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> Looks like a nice setup. Engine hoist was my first though, fork lift
> the second. Third, and probably too late, is to position the oven, lift
> it in place, put the base under it and lower. You could probably do
> that with four jacks.
I'd think something like that, too...altho isn't clear to me whether the
base of the oven is what it is sitting on or whether it's propped on
something to be able to get the cart forks out. The Q? is getting
support outside the frame to get the frame between...if can get even
small diameter pipe under it, it can be rolled to get it moved on
grade...the Powermatic planar was 1600 lb and that's how I got it from
the front of the barn to where needed it to go past where the utility
tractor could get.
Just have to be very careful to lift and block securely; 40" is quite a
ways off the ground.
One other would be also to move into place by one way or another and
construct a temporary a-frame and rent or borrow a chain hoist to do the
lifting. It's got to be reasonably stout and braced well enough to not
do a sideways collapse but doable...
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dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 3:51:07 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 2:33 PM, some guy wrote:
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> I was actually already thinking about the third option and was thinking about what materials I would need. Right now I'm also in the middle of building a tree house for my toddler and happen to have four 10' 4x4 pressure treated posts. The oven is at most 42" wide so I could build a frame where I would want the oven, use a hand forklift to move in in place, lift it, put the frame below it and then lower it. Since the oven is 1,300lbs, do you think that the 4x4 pressure treaded wood posts can be used here? I would space two posts 43" apart and put another post on top of the two just mentioned. The vertical posts will probably be fine though I'm not sure about the horizontal one. Do you think it could take the load? If not, would you get a steel beam? What else? I think I'm getting close here.
Basically what I suggested above...as you suggest, the 4x4 will be fine
for the posts; I did a quick load calc and on a 48" span would support
the load if have good piece of material (assumed SYP for properties).
However, it would have 1/8" or so sag and is getting towards the upper
end of comfort given the potential consequences; a 1x8 on edge firmly
supported to ensure it doesn't tip would be quite enough.
Alternatively, lay two of the 4x4 across and put the lift attachment
across them both if you've got an extra.
Again, cross brace the dickens out of it...
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> I was actually already thinking about the third option and was thinking about what materials I would need. Right now I'm also in the middle of building a tree house for my toddler and happen to have four 10' 4x4 pressure treated posts. The oven is at most 42" wide so I could build a frame where I would want the oven, use a hand forklift to move in in place, lift it, put the frame below it and then lower it. Since the oven is 1,300lbs, do you think that the 4x4 pressure treaded wood posts can be used here? I would space two posts 43" apart and put another post on top of the two just mentioned. The vertical posts will probably be fine though I'm not sure about the horizontal one. Do you think it could take the load? If not, would you get a steel beam? What else? I think I'm getting close here.
for the posts; I did a quick load calc and on a 48" span would support
the load if have good piece of material (assumed SYP for properties).
However, it would have 1/8" or so sag and is getting towards the upper
end of comfort given the potential consequences; a 1x8 on edge firmly
supported to ensure it doesn't tip would be quite enough.
Alternatively, lay two of the 4x4 across and put the lift attachment
across them both if you've got an extra.
Again, cross brace the dickens out of it...
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gfre...@aol.com
Aug 20, 2018, 3:54:59 PM8/20/18
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:29:48 -0700 (PDT), gonzalo...@gmail.com
wrote:
I bet a tracked Bobcat would get up the bank. Have them put forks on
instead of the bucket and off you go,.
wrote:
instead of the bucket and off you go,.
dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 4:11:48 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 2:54 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
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> I bet a tracked Bobcat would get up the bank. Have them put forks on
> instead of the bucket and off you go,.
My first thought, too, but it isn't clear to me can pick it up w/ forks
and get it on the base and get the forks back out...but if can, that'd
be far the simplest, agreed.
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> I bet a tracked Bobcat would get up the bank. Have them put forks on
> instead of the bucket and off you go,.
and get it on the base and get the forks back out...but if can, that'd
be far the simplest, agreed.
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Oren
Aug 20, 2018, 4:33:04 PM8/20/18
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>So, having said all of that, does anyone have any suggestion as to how else to lift up this 1,300 lbs oven and placing it on top of the base? I'm open to any ideas. Thanks a ton!
>
>
>Picture of base (left) and oven (right)
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B155LI6VUEfwMTJVNDRrS1lBUlJpN21LUzlmSm1vcmtBY2VJ
I only have a question. Is the base even necessary?
>
>
>Picture of base (left) and oven (right)
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B155LI6VUEfwMTJVNDRrS1lBUlJpN21LUzlmSm1vcmtBY2VJ
Looks to me pizza will cook right where is sits.
dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 4:37:53 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 3:32 PM, Oren wrote:
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> I only have a question. Is the base even necessary?
>
> Looks to me pizza will cook right where is sits.
Don't think the pizza will know the difference, no, ... :)
A little less convenient getting in/out, though...
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> I only have a question. Is the base even necessary?
>
> Looks to me pizza will cook right where is sits.
A little less convenient getting in/out, though...
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Dean Hoffman
Aug 20, 2018, 6:12:55 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/18 1:29 PM, gonzalo...@gmail.com wrote:
> A bit of context:
>
> My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
Cut a bunch due to aioe quotation limits.
> A bit of context:
>
> My wife, somewhat hastily, purchased a used outdoor pizza oven that has turned out to be a logistical nightmare to deal with. A safe (for storing important docs, etc) moving company was able to move the oven with a huge, high end electrical hand cart/truck and four guys. The issue is that they could only lift the oven a couple of inches off the ground. They could not lift it 41" to then place it on top of the base...
> Picture of base (left) and oven (right)
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B155LI6VUEfwMTJVNDRrS1lBUlJpN21LUzlmSm1vcmtBY2VJ
>
a little in combination with another plan?
some guy
Aug 20, 2018, 6:19:01 PM8/20/18
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So I think that building the frame is the best option. Thank you for the advice regarding the load calc when considering the 4x4 posts 48" apart. I did not quite get the other stuff. I was thinking of putting one of the 4x4s across the top (centered of course). Perhaps I can reinforce it with a 45 degree support on either side plus a 2x4 at the top. Are there any designs that some here specifically recommend?
By the way, I came across this very technical and useful FEMA doc on all kinds of lifting applications, etc...
https://www.fema.gov/pdf/emergency/usr/module4.pdf
dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 7:40:55 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/2018 5:18 PM, some guy wrote:
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> So I think that building the frame is the best option. Thank you for the advice regarding the load calc when considering the 4x4 posts 48" apart. I did not quite get the other stuff. I was thinking of putting one of the 4x4s across the top (centered of course). Perhaps I can reinforce it with a 45 degree support on either side plus a 2x4 at the top. Are there any designs that some here specifically recommend?
I was recommending that while the one 4x4 is enough to use two and
fasten the lifting mechanism such that it is supported by both, not just
one.
Or, because bending moment and therefore maximum bending moment is so
strongly dependent upon the moment of inertia and that is based on the
fourth power of the dimension, even though it's only 1-1/2" in width, on
edge a 2x8 is almost 3X the strength of the 4x4. The issue there is, of
course, it has to be secured to the frame such that it cannot possibly
not remain on edge or it becomes a noodle the other direction.
As far as the rest, there has to be sufficient cross bracing (read
diagonals) that there's no chance of the structure giving way as you
lift the load off the ground..while you'll obviously try to have the
load more or less centered, you'll not have the center of gravity
_precisely_ in the center so as it gets farther off the ground the
moment on the legs goes up, too.
> By the way, I came across this very technical and useful FEMA doc on all kinds of lifting applications, etc...
>
> https://www.fema.gov/pdf/emergency/usr/module4.pdf
think of the items to consider.
The A-frame would be a somewhat simpler construction but I didn't figure
you probably had anything in the area suitable to use for the anchor
points. You wouldn't be using it to move a load laterally as they
illustrate but as a static lift point with the pulley mounted at the
apex for a vertical lift.
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gfre...@aol.com
Aug 20, 2018, 8:38:44 PM8/20/18
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block technique. Move the frame out of the way, slide the oven roughly
where it goes and tilt to get it up on some longer boards. Lift one
end and block it up, lift the other end block it up repeat until it is
higher than the frame, slide the frame back and remove the blocks.
A floor jack will help you there. Just don't try to go too far on each
"up". I was able to get my pontoon boat off the trailer, pull the
trailer out, paint the hulls and get it back on by myself this way.
Dean Hoffman
Aug 20, 2018, 8:47:59 PM8/20/18
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On 8/20/18 7:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> Is the frame moveable? If so you might be able to use the tilt and
> block technique. Move the frame out of the way, slide the oven roughly
> where it goes and tilt to get it up on some longer boards. Lift one
> end and block it up, lift the other end block it up repeat until it is
> higher than the frame, slide the frame back and remove the blocks.
> A floor jack will help you there. Just don't try to go too far on each
> "up". I was able to get my pontoon boat off the trailer, pull the
> trailer out, paint the hulls and get it back on by myself this way.
>
He'd be lifting half the weight at a time. An engine hoist?
> Is the frame moveable? If so you might be able to use the tilt and
> block technique. Move the frame out of the way, slide the oven roughly
> where it goes and tilt to get it up on some longer boards. Lift one
> end and block it up, lift the other end block it up repeat until it is
> higher than the frame, slide the frame back and remove the blocks.
> A floor jack will help you there. Just don't try to go too far on each
> "up". I was able to get my pontoon boat off the trailer, pull the
> trailer out, paint the hulls and get it back on by myself this way.
>
Bob F
Aug 20, 2018, 8:55:53 PM8/20/18
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dpb
Aug 20, 2018, 9:05:54 PM8/20/18
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pile of stuff"...
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gfre...@aol.com
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BurfordTJustice
Aug 21, 2018, 8:22:16 AM8/21/18
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Since you are in Calif. go get 6-8 day workers and turn them loose.
In no time they will have it where you want it.
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In no time they will have it where you want it.
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