Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?

Commander Kinsey

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Mar 18, 2023, 5:39:11 AMMar 18

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An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true? Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart meters into each home. And in the UK that comes from green tax. Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building new wind farms?

alan_m

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Mar 18, 2023, 6:50:05 AMMar 18

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On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
> meters into each home.

Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right
ball park figure.

It's always been the case that they had to replace non-smart meters
every so often - at one time I think the target was every 10 years. I
had a friend who worked for BG and one of his jobs was to organise
routine meter replacements (long before smart meters). When it became my
turn to have my gas meter replaced I somehow managed to get an
appointment that suited me :)

And in the UK that comes from green tax.
> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building
> new wind farms?

Shouldn't that tax be scrapped to make our bills cheaper.
It used to be spent on giving us all free CFL light bulbs.

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:02:28 AMMar 18

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:49:57 +0000, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:

> Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right
> ball park figure.

And the first troll-feeding senile asshole, anal_m himself, appeared to feed
the abnormal trolling swine again! <BG>

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The Natural Philosopher

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:11:01 AMMar 18

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Of course it should be, along with all windmills, solar panels and any
feed in tarriffs.

Your confusion arises from the fact they you think they are working for
you. Government is not your friend, or your servant, It's your enemy,
and wants to be your master. Because if it isn't it fears you might get
rid of it.

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Sylvia Else

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:18:01 AMMar 18

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Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be
willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing output.

So the windfarm notion is not entirely implausible. However, wind
turbines use electronics to match the turbine output to the grid
frequency, and it seems unlikely that it's designed to operate in
reverse for the relatively rare occasions that that would be used.

On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.

Sylvia.

Frank

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:23:16 AMMar 18

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Does not make any sense. I think it is done with hydroelectric where
water is pumped back up at night when usage is down but what do you do,
pump back wind?

Davey

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:28:30 AMMar 18

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See:
https://www.energy-storage.news/delivering-pumped-hydro-storage-in-the-uk-after-a-three-decade-interlude/
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SteveW

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:29:29 AMMar 18

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That idea has probably come from the use of "barring gear". When not in
use, some wind turbines are electrically driven and turn slowly, to
prevent semi-permanent sagging of blades or shafts when left stationary
in one position.

Peeler

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:17:53 +1100, Sylvia Else, another brain dead,
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> Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be
> willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing output.

And the second retarded troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE appeared and willingly
fed the attention-starved trolling Scottish swine!

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On 18/03/2023 in message <tv467v$2f79h$1...@dont-email.me> The Natural

Philosopher wrote:

>>Shouldn't that tax be scrapped to make our bills cheaper.
>>It used to be spent on giving us all free CFL light bulbs.
>>
>Of course it should be, along with all windmills, solar panels and any
>feed in tarriffs.
>
>Your confusion arises from the fact they you think they are working for
>you. Government is not your friend, or your servant, It's your enemy, and
>wants to be your master. Because if it isn't it fears you might get rid of
>it.

Are you an American? It's that sort of argument that makes them feel they
need guns to defend themselves from government (and as a penis substitute
of course).

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Dean Hoffman

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Mar 18, 2023, 8:02:06 AMMar 18

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On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:39:11 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true? Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?
>
> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart meters into each home. And in the UK that comes from green tax. Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building new wind farms?

The ones I see sometimes pivot so the blades are parallel with the wind shutting them down. It seem to be the same action as when the winds are too strong.

Peeler

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:39:21 +0200, upsid...@downunder.com, another
mentally challenged troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply stop
> some wind turbines.

How about YOU stopping feeding the attention-starved trolling wanker, you
idiotic troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE?

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Mar 18, 2023, 11:02:09 AMMar 18

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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, "Commander

Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

>An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true?

Sure. YOu know how people with solar cells sell their electricity back
to the power company, when they don't need to use it all. In the same
way, when there is too much electricity, it's sent to wind turbines, and
they spin backwards and they blow the wind back where it came from. So
that later, it will blow in the first direction again when more
electricity is needed.

> Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?
>
>I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart meters into each home. And in the UK that comes from green tax. Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building new wind farms?

They don't need more wind farms because if too much wind is blown
backwards, the seasons will change.

It takes under an hour to change the meter, maybe under 15 minutes, and
I would guess the cost of a smart meter is under 200 pounds. At least
the marginal cost. In this situation, every cost estimator seems to
come up with a price higher than to be expected. Not sure how they do
it.

Having a smart meter means they no longer have to send meter readers, so
that saves a lot of money in the long run. They can arrange for rolling
black outs if that is ever needed in the UK, and they can do time-of-day
billing, to encourage people to dry their clothes outside of the
electrical rush hour.

Peeler

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Mar 18, 2023, 11:23:41 AMMar 18

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 05:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Dean Dumb Hoffman, another
mentally deficient, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, babbled again:

> The ones I see sometimes pivot so the blades are parallel with the wind
> shutting them down. It seem to be the same action as when the winds are
> too strong.

You demented troll-feeding senile shithead don't seem to mind the wind of
the troll blowing in your face. Quite to the contrary, you obviously enjoy
inhaling it. <BG>

Peeler

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:10:40 -0000, Brainless & Daft, the TV-watching and
pity-baiting senile "blind" mole, blathered again:

> I think this highly unlikely. I think turning down is not so easy, since it
> is AC, and has to respond to sudden loads. What should happen is that the
> loading on most systems will reduce as the generator is easier to turn, but
> the frequency remains the same. I do not know what method is used these days
> as governors. I'm sure its probably highly technical and not two weights and
> a brake as it used to be on wind up gramophones!

> Brainless & Daft

YOU again, you useless, endlessly bullshitting, troll-feeding senile PEST?
You DISGUST me! But you are lucky that most people really keep pitying you!
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John Larkin

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Mar 18, 2023, 11:31:37 AMMar 18

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:49:57 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
>> meters into each home.
>
>Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right
>ball park figure.
>
>It's always been the case that they had to replace non-smart meters
>every so often - at one time I think the target was every 10 years. I
>had a friend who worked for BG and one of his jobs was to organise
>routine meter replacements (long before smart meters). When it became my
>turn to have my gas meter replaced I somehow managed to get an
>appointment that suited me :)
>
> And in the UK that comes from green tax.
>> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building
>> new wind farms?

Windmills will still be useless when there's no wind. Pity that
there's no good way to store electricity.

>
>Shouldn't that tax be scrapped to make our bills cheaper.
>It used to be spent on giving us all free CFL light bulbs.

Smart meters eliminated meter reader people too. Reading a meter could
be a real hassle in many situations. Some utilities only did it a few
times a year and interpolated/extrapolated the monthly bills. At our
cabin in the mountains, the old meters were buried in snow for months.
Now I can ask for a realtime graph of power or gas or water use; we
spotted a water leak that way.

We do get free LED bulbs and Christmas lights from TDPUD!

The long feeder from the street came down, and they fixed that for
free too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6s7l66iq9xy9nt/Fascia_2.jpg?raw=1

John Larkin

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Mar 18, 2023, 11:33:45 AMMar 18

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Our regulated private utilities here are excellent. Some towns have
taken over local distribution, so are getting less excellent.

Peeler

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Mar 18, 2023, 11:37:17 AMMar 18

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:14:45 -0000, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

> I think

Don't, you disgusting, endlessly blathering senile twit! Nothing good will
come of it!

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:28:24 +0000, Davey <da...@example.invalid>
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"Up to days at a time".

Rod Speed

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Mar 18, 2023, 12:54:25 PMMar 18

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:17:53 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid>

wrote:

> On 18-Mar-23 8:39 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power
>> on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is
>> this really true? Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just
>> turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?
>> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
>> meters into each home. And in the UK that comes from green tax.
>> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building
>> new wind farms?
>

> Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be
> willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing
> output.

The UK has very litttle coal fired power generation anymore.

And the gas fired power generation is easy to modulate.

> So the windfarm notion is not entirely implausible.

Fraid so.

Rod Speed

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Mar 18, 2023, 1:00:22 PMMar 18