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Toilet flange - on top of tile or level with it?

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Rich

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Aug 27, 2002, 9:08:29 AM8/27/02
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Howdy again folks,

I've got a toilet stub-out without a flange installed, and I'm getting
ready to tile around it. I was wondering if it's better to install
the flange at the existing floor level (concrete board underlayment),
or to tile first then install the flange on top of the tile.

I keep thinking doing it on the underlayment would make it about flush
with the tile, and would make it easier for the next guy who might
want to replace my tile.

Any advice is appreciated!

Rich

Speedy Jim

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Aug 27, 2002, 9:59:26 AM8/27/02
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You want the top of the flange flush with the new tile surface
or maybe 1/4" above. Many new toilet bowls have minimal space
underneath for the wax ring; flange too high results in most
of the wax being squeezed out.

Jim

jim

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Aug 27, 2002, 10:09:31 AM8/27/02
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i recently had to replace a toilet in a concrete slab house with ceramic
tile on the floor, the house was built about 30 yrs. ago by a contractor
and had to pass all the inspections and codes...
when removing the toilet i could see that the tiles were even with the
top of the flange(no tiles were under the flange(so if you had to take
up any tiles and later replace them just use the same tickness tiles...
if you need something under the flange then try the bags of
patching/leveling cement(cost more than a $3.00 bag of ready mix but
well worth it... you can put it under the flange and keep it up to the
height that you want....

Jeff Dantzler

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Aug 27, 2002, 2:33:48 PM8/27/02
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> Any advice is appreciated!

It is a code violation to recess a water closet flange.

Tile the floor leaving a hole for the flange and then sit the flange on
top of the finished floor. Bolt it down.

Otherwise you have a crack where unsavory bugs can grow...

Jeff Dantzler
Seattle, WA

Rich

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Aug 29, 2002, 10:17:13 AM8/29/02
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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the advice.

I guess if someone down the road wants to change the flooring the'll
just need to chip the tile out from under the flange and try to
install a new floor that can go under the flange. Is there any way I
can make it easier - I'd think cutting a flang off the PVC stub and
installing a new one later would likely be quite a pain. I'd just
like to do this right.

Appreciate the pointers,

Rich

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Mr Fixit

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:06:05 AM8/30/02
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"Rich" <rich...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why not use 3/4" wood under the flange area and butt up to that with your
backerboard and tile?
OTOH.... every time I've had to replace bathroom flooring, that area was the
worst due to leaking of the floor seal which meant working new wood in under
the flange anyway.

wwanman

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Aug 30, 2002, 12:04:07 PM8/30/02
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> > Jeff Dantzler <dant...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Otherwise you have a crack where unsavory bugs can grow...

Just curious. How do you know they don't taste savory?


Goedjn

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Aug 30, 2002, 12:55:48 PM8/30/02
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>
> > > > Otherwise you have a crack where unsavory bugs can grow...
>
> Just curious. How do you know they don't taste savory?

Because he's diabetic?

Rich

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Sep 2, 2002, 3:26:01 PM9/2/02
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Howdy Mr. Fixit,

I'm putting this in a basement on a concrete floor that I've levelled
and installed with cementboard (leaving room around the toilet stub).
No plywood here at all.

Poking around in a number of search engines I found that the "on top
of the finished floor" was winning over "on top of the sub-floor,
level with or slightly above the finished floor" by a margin of about
7-3. I guess because the wax seal doesn't have to bridge as much of a
the gap.

I installed the tile so the flange will have to sit on top this
morning. The next guy to do flooring in the house will curse me for
that.

Do appreciate the advice,

Rich


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Mr Fixit

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Sep 2, 2002, 10:59:41 PM9/2/02
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"Rich" <rich...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy Mr. Fixit,
>
> I'm putting this in a basement on a concrete floor that I've levelled
> and installed with cementboard (leaving room around the toilet stub).
> No plywood here at all.
>
> Poking around in a number of search engines I found that the "on top
> of the finished floor" was winning over "on top of the sub-floor,
> level with or slightly above the finished floor" by a margin of about
> 7-3. I guess because the wax seal doesn't have to bridge as much of a
> the gap.
>
> I installed the tile so the flange will have to sit on top this
> morning. The next guy to do flooring in the house will curse me for
> that.
>
> Do appreciate the advice,
>
> Rich
>
>
Ohhhhhhhhh...... that's different. LOL
I wouldn't worry about the future cursing. I'm sure that won't be for many
many years.


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