converting an old rotary phone to work now
disney...@verizon.net
cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
do I do??
David L. Martel
Check with your phone company to be sure that your local exchange can
process rotary information or make a converter to take the rotary signals
(pulses) and convert them to tone dialing. My local exchange still accepts
pulse dialing but many businesses use voice mail systems that aren't
compatible with pulse dialing.
Dave M.
terry
It may work just as is. Certainly likely to be able to answer an
incoming call; o if it is in working condition at all.
Many telephone lines, at least those from regular 'line' telcos. Will
still accept the pulses from the rotary dial.
We have such a dial equipped phone in our hallway and it works just
fine, although we tend to use a cordless phone because of ease of use
and ease of pushing buttons and redialling etc.
But when there is the occasional power outage with traditional
telephone systems, often equipped with 24 hour battery back-up,
nothing works better than a plain old fashioned rotary phone.
If you want to test it before hooking up connect a 9 volt battery to
the two wires (often red and green) to see if you hear a click in the
earpiece, also try blowing or talking into the microphone part and see
if you hear something; it's called side-tone (i.e. you should be able
to hear yourself slightly. (Side tone sometimes is called 'Spitch') if
so the phone may work.
However depending on the original quality of the phone (Bell system
standard/Western Elctric/ AE Co. Chicago, for example , whether it is
in good condition and its model you may or may not get good quality
voice transmission, both ways. Although judging by some of the cheap
junk phones that have been sold and in some cases given away an older
standard rotary phone that meets international standards may be
better! I have pre-1950s phones that work just fine.
Special Ed
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>I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
To test if it works, remove cover from wall jack, touch red and green wires
from phone to same colors on jack. Listen for dial tone. If you get one, so
far so good.
Next screw the red and green wires from the phone to the jack and test for
outgoing and incoming phone calls. If it works, you can just leave it that
way-- or attach an RJ11 plug to the phone so you can use it an any jack.
Kurt Ullman
"Special Ed" <martin@kallikak> wrote:
Would you be able to use it for outgoing calls or just incoming?
terry
> In article <uc2dnb8zx7wOjgLVnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@comcast.com>,
> "Special Ed" <martin@kallikak> wrote:
>
> > <disneybuf...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:faa99c66-f2b0-453a...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > >I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> > > cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> > > do I do??
>
> > To test if it works, remove cover from wall jack, touch red and green wires
> > from phone to same colors on jack. Listen for dial tone. If you get one, so
> > far so good.
>
> > Next screw the red and green wires from the phone to the jack and test for
> > outgoing and incoming phone calls. If it works, you can just leave it that
> > way-- or attach an RJ11 plug to the phone so you can use it an any jack.
>
> Would you be able to use it for outgoing calls or just incoming?
David makes good point ............. while you may able to dial local
and long distance numbers, many/most voice-mail and automated
answering and directory systems cannot respond to dial pulses once you
have connected through the phone system to them. Many still say "Press
X for such and such .... . Or stay on the line to be answered
(Hopefully by a real live human being!!!!!).
BTW: Have seen one or two phone oddities from time to time. There was
one European phone that had 12 rotary dial numbers on it. Also the
standard speed of the dial pulses in North America and the UK used to
be/is ten pulses per second. So it takes one second to dial zero! Old
style rotary dial payphones outside sometimes used get pretty slow in
cold weather and below about eight pulse per second the telephone
equipment in the nice warm telephone building would misdial and one
could get wrong numbers. And lose the money inserted! So sometimes one
needed to push the dial back round to get enough speed.
Also the ratio of make/break of the dial pulses was slightly different
in different countries. Recalling in the UK each pulse around 66%
break, 34% make. In North America it was IIRC closer to 70% break etc.
So if this is some unusual manufacture of phone from say
Chechloslovakia, or some made up abomination of a 'fake vintage' phone
made in Taiwan or somewhere, expect anything in way of performance on
a standard North American telephone connection! Which is, btw, why, at
one time, Bell System and other companies discouraged the installation/
connection of 'other' phones to their lines; too many problems and
trouble calls!
Oh. BTW don't think a rotary dial phone will work on any of the VOIP
(internet connected) services such as Skype!!!!!!
George
> On Aug 10, 1:45 pm, disneybuf...@verizon.net wrote:
>> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>> do I do??
>
> It may work just as is. Certainly likely to be able to answer an
> incoming call; o if it is in working condition at all.
>
> Many telephone lines, at least those from regular 'line' telcos. Will
> still accept the pulses from the rotary dial.
>
> We have such a dial equipped phone in our hallway and it works just
> fine, although we tend to use a cordless phone because of ease of use
> and ease of pushing buttons and redialling etc.
>
> But when there is the occasional power outage with traditional
> telephone systems, often equipped with 24 hour battery back-up,
> nothing works better than a plain old fashioned rotary phone.
I don't understand why a rotary phone would be better. Touch tone phones
are also powered by the loop so if the loop happens to be on battery the
touch tone phone will still work just as well as a rotary phone.
Special Ed
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Both if it's working properly-- though as others have pointed out, there is
no touch tone capability so you couldn't Press One For English..... Way
back when, Radio Shack used to sell a pocket sized touch-tone generator-- or
maybe hold the speaker of your cellie up to the mouthpiece of the old phone
and enter them that way.
Edwin Pawlowski
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
Call the phone company. Phones with cords requires special expertise by
trained technicians from the phone company. Only they know the proper wires
to hook up to in the box. They can come out on Thursday between 2:00 and
4:00.
mm
wrote:
>I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>do I do??
I think the odds are more than 1/2 that it will work fine. Just conect
one of the two wires from the phone to the red wire on the wall and
the other to the green. Which is red and which is green don't
matter with dial phones, but if they do have colors, you might want to
attach red to red and green to green.
This is most easy if you have a box mounted on the surface somewhere,
because they have covers that come off, but if all your phone jacks
are below the surface of the wall, with only the hole sticking out,
you can still take off the wall plate and make your connections there.
If your phone system no longer works with dial phones, you still won't
harm the phone system. They're designed to handle even long short
circuits, much longer than the split-second pulse-shorts that rotary
phones make.
I haven't tested this for decades, but used to be, if the red and
green were shorted to each other for a long time, 50 seconds in a
row?, the line would go almost dead (no dial tone but maybe some
background noise) and I had to wait for about 10 minutes before the
dial tone came back. No big deal.
I have a dial phone in my basement, probably not as old or pretty as
yours, and it works fine.
Marilyn & Bob
"mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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I believe that the old rotary phones were 3 wire, not two. It's been a long
time, but I think it was red/green/yellow (or was it red/green/black) They
connected to the matched red and green on the jack with the third color
attached to the red (again, I think). The third wire was necessary to power
the bell (yes, those phones had mechanical bells).
--
Peace,
BobJ
J. Clarke
Ring voltage comes in on the talk pair. If you're holding it when a
ring comes through you can get quite a surprise.
Standard pairings are red-green for line 1 and yellow-black for line
2. Been that way as long as I can remember, in the US anyway.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Steve Barker DLT
areas.
s
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mm
<Pri...@nospam.please> wrote:
>
>
>I believe that the old rotary phones were 3 wire, not two. It's been a long
>time, but I think it was red/green/yellow (or was it red/green/black) They
>connected to the matched red and green on the jack with the third color
>attached to the red (again, I think). The third wire was necessary to power
>the bell (yes, those phones had mechanical bells).
>--
>Peace,
>BobJ
>
I don't know all phones from all years, and there may well be 3 wire
phones, but there are certainly plenty of two wire dial phones**. The
cord may have 4 wires but in that case only the red and green are for
talking. . Princess phones used the other two wires for a light, but I
don't think he has a princess.
My oldest phone would go in the living room if I had a jack there.
It's probably older than I am, 61, but has only two wires.
Its bottom is like half a grapefruit face down, but black with a dial
on the front, and a four pronged almost bakelite cradle above it that
holds the handset maybe two inches higher than the grapefruit. The
sillhouette of this phone is often used to indicate Ma Bell or
telephones in general.
I bought it in 1967 at Olsen's Electronics, on Western Avenue in
Chicago ,across the street from Allied Radio. They had a big 3 foot
x3x3 box full of phones for 99 cents, plus a handset from another box
for 15 cents. I bought three handsets but only one phone. I wish I'd
bought more. They must have been at least 20 years old at that time.
Just two wires.
**I remember the day I came home from school and our non-dial phones
were changed for dial phones. The desk phone in my parents' room was
changed totally, but the wall phone, which was a little rectangular
box with a hook for the handset, was still there. The repairman had
taken off the flat 2x2" top and replaced it with a top that had a
dial. I didn't take it apart, but I'm sure he spliced the dial into
one of the wires inside. ...Unless he did change the phone and the
rest lookesd so much alike that I missed it.
Steve Kraus
> Plug it in, it should work. The system is backward compatible in most
> areas.
Plug? What's that?
Jim Redelfs
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> I believe that the old rotary phones were 3 wire, not two.
> That was for selective ringing on a party line.
You are correct.
> Just hook the green and yellow to the green
> on the new jack. Red to red.
I agree.
Since there are still many, MANY rotary phones in service out there, I
am unaware of any PUBLIC switch that does not respond to dial pulses.
Also, more and more services that, in the past, required Touchtone<r>
(press '1' for this, '2' for that), are converting to voice response so
an old dial pulse phone is actually returning to nearly full
functionality.
What goes around, comes around...
--
:)
JR
Marilyn & Bob
"Jim Redelfs" <jim.r...@NOSPAMredelfs.com> wrote in message
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> In article <2f3v949ujpv5is8n8...@4ax.com>,
> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>> I believe that the old rotary phones were 3 wire, not two.
>
>> That was for selective ringing on a party line.
>
> You are correct.
>
>> Just hook the green and yellow to the green
>> on the new jack. Red to red.
>
> I agree.
Yes that is exactly what I meant. You need to connect both the green and
the yellow wires from the phone cord (thanks for the memory trigger) to the
green wire on the jack or the bell will not ring.
--
Peace,
BobJ
--
Peace,
BobJ
disney...@verizon.net
> "Jim Redelfs" <jim.rede...@NOSPAMredelfs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jim.redelfs-BE51...@news.west.cox.net...
>
> > In article <2f3v949ujpv5is8n8bap2lgs8sg846f...@4ax.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
THANK YOU TO ALL - next question I have - I got the phone connected
and it works, I've received and made calls - only thing is that the
volume I Hear is low, the other person hears me fine, but the sound I
hear is low, there appears to be maybe a volume dial on the bottom of
the phone but that doesn't help - is there anything else I could do to
increase the volume of the earpiece?
pheeh...@gmail.com
That is indeed a volume control, but it is for the bell. The only
thing that might help is a new earpiece speaker.
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon
child under 30 will know how to dial it.
--
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Learn more about Jesus
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"Kurt Ullman" <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Would you be able to use it for outgoing calls or just incoming?
Mark Lloyd
<railph...@always.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Plug it in, it should work. The system is backward compatible in most
>areas.
>
>s
>
However, those old phones required considerably more current to ring
than most new electronic phones. That may not be available.
><disney...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:faa99c66-f2b0-453a...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>> do I do??
>
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"Never underestimate the power of stupid
people in large groups"
Mark Lloyd
One of those big 4-prong plugs? Those with a square arrangement with
about an inch between prongs. It's the first phone plug I remember
seeing.
Gary H
<railph...@always.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Plug it in, it should work. The system is backward compatible in most
>areas.
>
I wonder it it'd work with MagicJack.
terry
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:19:49 -0400, "Marilyn & Bob"
>
> <Priv...@nospam.please> wrote:
> >I believe that the old rotary phones were 3 wire, not two.
>
> and yellow to the green on the new jack. Red to red.
Yes and no:
In most cases and on a single party line the 'third wire' allowed the
'ringer (electromechanical bell inside phone or sometimes even
separate) to be connected, or not connected as required.
The above posting is correct that on 'some' party lines the ringing
was sent on one side of the line (with respect to ground) for, say,
one party on a two party line and other side of the line for the other
party!
There were also other other systems of ringing; including multiparty
coded ringing (two longs and short etc.) which also sometimes used one
side of the line or the other.
And ringing systems that used different frequencies of ringing; there
was on for example (Sold by AECo. Chicago), that allowed for five
different ringing frequencies, 16, 25, 33, 50 , 66 cycle/hertz etc.
and with those five frequencies on each side of the telephone line it
was possible to have up to ten parties on one line. This was usually
on long rural lines; but am familiar with one city that used to have
four parties on a line, using the different frequency ringing. That
city did not use ringing to ground (i.e. one side of the line because
of the difficulty, in that rocky and high resistivity of the soil
location, of obtaining and maintaining good ground connections! So in
that instance the four (not five) frequencies were sent on the pair of
wires, not in respect to ground.
The advantage being that only one party's phone would ring on an
incoming call; thus allowing a 'little more' privacy!
ALL OF WHICH: Leads to another comment/suggestion to the original
poster:
If you wish or have trouble getting your 'vintage' phone to ring on
incoming calls (and you wish to have it so) check that the ringer/bell
is connected either by that third lead or internally inside the phone.
Also if it is of some non North American manufacture it 'may' have
been designed to work best on some ringing frequency other than the 20
hertz most commonly used in North America; however recollection is
that the non frequency selective ringing phones are usually not that
sensitive to ringing frequency and would sometimes ring (continuously
or intermittently) when power faults came in contact with telephone
lines.
Strikes one that there must have been as many varieties of phones
around the world since Alexander Graham, a Scottish immigrant to
Canada discovered the principle of turning speech into variations of
electric current, as the many versions of radios/wireless sets in use
since the advent of radio transmission.
Ian
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I havn't used a rotary phone on a line, in ages. But very likely both. No
> child under 30 will know how to dial it.
Simply untrue. I'm 22 and know about rotary phones. Hell, my cottage
*still* doesn't have touchtone dialing.
Ian
n4...@knology.net
> no touch tone capability so you couldn't Press One For English..... Way
> back when, Radio Shack used to sell a pocket sized touch-tone generator-- or
> maybe hold the speaker of your cellie up to the mouthpiece of the old phone
> and enter them that way
I still have one of those RS touch-tone generators. Used to use it
for phone patch operations when my 2-meter radio didn't have touch-
tone capability.
Barry - N4BUQ
David Nebenzahl
> On Aug 10, 2:25 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article <uc2dnb8zx7wOjgLVnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@comcast.com>,
>> "Special Ed" <martin@kallikak> wrote:
>>
>> > <disneybuf...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >news:faa99c66-f2b0-453a...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > >I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>> > > cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>> > > do I do??
>>
>> > To test if it works, remove cover from wall jack, touch red and green wires
>> > from phone to same colors on jack. Listen for dial tone. If you get one, so
>> > far so good.
>>
>> > Next screw the red and green wires from the phone to the jack and test for
>> > outgoing and incoming phone calls. If it works, you can just leave it that
>> > way-- or attach an RJ11 plug to the phone so you can use it an any jack.
>>
>> Would you be able to use it for outgoing calls or just incoming?
>
> David makes good point ............. while you may able to dial local
> and long distance numbers, many/most voice-mail and automated
> answering and directory systems cannot respond to dial pulses once you
> have connected through the phone system to them. Many still say "Press
> X for such and such .... . Or stay on the line to be answered
> (Hopefully by a real live human being!!!!!).
I don't know for sure, but suspect that dialing "O" would get you
through to the "operator" the way it does by pressing "O" with such
systems (most are set up to reach some default number on that keypress).
--
"Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
doodle. It is balder and dash."
- With apologies to H. L. Mencken
mm
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>I don't know for sure, but suspect that dialing "O" would get you
>through to the "operator" the way it does by pressing "O" with such
>systems (most are set up to reach some default number on that keypress).
Yes.
Also I think with enough practice, one can learn to make touch-tone
sounds with one's mouth. I think there was a guy on tv who could do
that.
OT I get few junk phone calls now, but with one, I pressed 9, and a
recording said something like, "You have been placed on our
do-not-call list".
philsvintageradios
> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
I have one of these old dial phones. I can answer it , and call out
but the bell won't ring.
I was told it was a "party line phone" and therefore it requires a
different frequency to ring.
If this is true, is there a way to modify it so it can ring?
I am in canada and it is a very common design , your standard black
desk phone, these were the ones they phone company (bc tel) provided,
unless you paid extra to get some other fancy color or design
Phil
AZ Nomad
>On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:35 -0700, David Nebenzahl
><nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know for sure, but suspect that dialing "O" would get you
>>through to the "operator" the way it does by pressing "O" with such
>>systems (most are set up to reach some default number on that keypress).
>Yes.
>Also I think with enough practice, one can learn to make touch-tone
>sounds with one's mouth. I think there was a guy on tv who could do
>that.
Doubtful. You'd need to sets of vocal cords in order to generate
the two simultaneous frequencies used to DTFM (tone-tone) dialing.
AZ Nomad
>Yes.
Which is their list of confirmed phone numbers to harass next.
David Nebenzahl
But that's just what the Tuvan throat singers do: sing two tones
simultaneously. Amazing stuff. Could probably be trained to do DTMF.
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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Call the phone company. Phones with cords requires special expertise by
trained technicians from the phone company. Only they know the proper wires
to hook up to in the box. They can come out on Thursday between 2:00 and
4:00.
mm
<azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>
>
>>OT I get few junk phone calls now, but with one, I pressed 9, and a
>>recording said something like, "You have been placed on our
>>do-not-call list".
>
>Which is their list of confirmed phone numbers to harass next.
You have a point but my phone had already rung and been answered by my
machine or me. Wasn't I already on the do-harass list?
bud--
elsewhere, sometimes (US) on party lines the bell was connected from one
telephone line to 'ground'. It may also have been disconnected.
Or it may require a different ring frequency.
--
bud--
sa...@dog.com
It's been done by whistling.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/us/20engressia.html
I can whistle dual tones myself, although I've never tried using that
talent for phone phreaking.
BTW, it's DTMF, not DTFM
SMS
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:35 -0700, David Nebenzahl
> <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>> I don't know for sure, but suspect that dialing "O" would get you
>> through to the "operator" the way it does by pressing "O" with such
>> systems (most are set up to reach some default number on that keypress).
>
> Yes.
>
> Also I think with enough practice, one can learn to make touch-tone
> sounds with one's mouth. I think there was a guy on tv who could do
> that.
I saw that, but it's very difficult because each button generates a pair
of tones.
OTOH, you can pulse dial from a touch tone phone by pressing the
receiver hook the number of pulses for each digit. It's not as hard as
it sounds. There's a lot of leeway in the pulse rate and duty cycle. If
you've ever seen a phone in a public area with no dial or touch pad (to
keep people from making outgoing calls) there's a way around this
limitation.
mm
<philsvint...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On Aug 10, 8:45 am, disneybuf...@verizon.net wrote:
>> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>> do I do??
>
>
>I have one of these old dial phones. I can answer it , and call out
>but the bell won't ring.
>I was told it was a "party line phone" and therefore it requires a
>different frequency to ring.
>If this is true, is there a way to modify it so it can ring?
I don't think frequency has anything to do with it. Well, it may have
to do with how the phone rings, but not if it rings.
Is this made by Western Electic? If that's not the name, does it have
a metal box inside with a plastic top with lots of screws with wires
under them.
I'm in the US so just maybe there is some reason there is a
difference, but Bud is right. There are two wires from the bell, and
it's likely that one of the two goes to the same screw that the green
or red goes to (one of the wires in the cord to the wall.) That's
fine. But the other wire from the bell probalby doesn't go to the
remaining green or red. Espeically if it had been used on a party
line. So note where that other wire is and move it to the green/red
that the first wire isn't connected to.
But bear in mind: There was a limit to how many phones with bells one
could use in those days, something like 4. When different kinds of
noise makers were used in phones, they assigned a Ringer Equivalence
Number of 1 to the original mechanical bells. Everything else is lower
than 1, maybe 0.2 or 0.3. Add up all the bells in your house and if
they exeeeded 4, the phones wouldn't ring (even though everything else
usually worked) So people with a lot of extensions would disconnect
one of the bells inside the phone to make sure the phones still rang,
or they would do it so that phone didn't make any noise. So maybe
the wire (often with a two-tined fork on the end of it) is just
sitting in space, connected to nothing.
AFAIK the maximum sum of all the RENs is still 4, but maybe they
lowered it some places because there are so few real bells out there.
Remember this if all your phones stop ringing one day!
mm
wrote:
>
>> Also I think with enough practice, one can learn to make touch-tone
>> sounds with one's mouth. I think there was a guy on tv who could do
>> that.
>
>I saw that, but it's very difficult because each button generates a pair
>of tones.
>
>OTOH, you can pulse dial from a touch tone phone by pressing the
>receiver hook the number of pulses for each digit. It's not as hard as
>it sounds.
And certainly worth learning when locked in a dungeon.
> There's a lot of leeway in the pulse rate and duty cycle. If
>you've ever seen a phone in a public area with no dial or touch pad (to
>keep people from making outgoing calls) there's a way around this
>limitation.
Then too.
aandr...@gmail.com
KLayt...@aol.com
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php
There's plenty of folks there that can help you.
J Burns
there should be 3 pulses as it spins back from 3.
The pulsing could be seen by unplugging the phone and connecting a 1.5 V
battery and light bulb in series with the phone terminals. With the
handset in the cradle, the light should be off. Lifting the handset
should turn the light on. Turning the dial and releasing it should
cause the dial to pulse 10 times a second.
If the pulsing seemed to be okay, I'd try the phone elsewhere in case
the problem is with the local phone office or line.
Stormin Mormon
polarity is reversed. Might want to try
swap red and green wires in the socket,
and see if that helps.
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<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Some tone phones won't dial out if the
>polarity is reversed. Might want to try
>swap red and green wires in the socket,
>and see if that helps.
>
over the years
N8N
> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
http://www.oldphoneworks.com/cloth-covered-line-cord-spade-modular-various-colors.html
if you don't care about keeping it original looking any spade to RJ-45 cord should work.
Most phone exchanges still will work with rotary AKA pulse dialing. So will Verizon's FiOS boxes - I'm using a late 40's vintage Western Electric wall phone in my kitchen, we have FiOS. The only thing to watch is the REN (Ringer Equivalence Number) and the limits your phone company imposes (each device connected in your house will have a REN and when you sum them up there is a maximum number for your phone number) - any old phone with a mechanical ringer probably has a REN of one.
nate
Stormin Mormon
> On Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, disney...@verizon.net wrote:
>> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>> do I do??
>
> Probably just replace the cord with one with a RJ-45 jack on it. e.g.
>
in 2008, and died shortly after in 2009, when
he had a heart attack and could not dial for
help.
N8N
> On 9/29/2014 6:43 PM, N8N wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:45:10 AM UTC-4, disney...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> >> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>
> >> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>
> >> do I do??
>
> >
>
> > Probably just replace the cord with one with a RJ-45 jack on it. e.g.
>
> >
>
>
>
> You didn't reply soon enough. The guy posted
>
> in 2008, and died shortly after in 2009, when
>
> he had a heart attack and could not dial for
>
> help.
>
Yeah, I know, get a real newsreader, but I'm not always on my own PC.
nate
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philo
> I have 2 rotary phones that have dial tone and receives calls. Unfortunately, I cannot dial out on either phone. The first phone was purchased appx 1 month ago from a local 2nd hand store. The phone company has serviced the lines and added jacks as requested appx 2 weeks back. The tech had stated that there was a problem with the first phone. The second phone was received on 9.29 and I still have the same issue. Is there a simple fix?
>
but no dial-out is possible on VoIP
micky
>On 09/29/2014 03:40 PM, aandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have 2 rotary phones that have dial tone and receives calls. Unfortunately, I cannot dial out on either phone. The first phone was purchased appx 1 month ago from a local 2nd hand store. The phone company has serviced the lines and added jacks as requested appx 2 weeks back. The tech had stated that there was a problem with the first phone. The second phone was received on 9.29 and I still have the same issue. Is there a simple fix?
broken. (I have one 6 feet away that works fine.) If they are newer
than that, with brand names on them other than WE, they might well be.
(Somewhere I have the wiring diagram for WE dial and touch tone phones.)
But try them at someone else's house, someone with a different carrier
if possible.
What kind of jacks did the phone company add? Not those 4 pin ones
with the pins almost 3/4s of an inch apart?
Do that and then if there's still a problem we can talk about fixing the
phone.
>If you have a "POTS" line you can dial out...
>but no dial-out is possible on VoIP
I can't get the phone to actuate the semaphores. What should I do?
Tekkie®
I may not have read all messages.
>
> I have an old dial phone and I'm using semaphores for communication, but
> I can't get the phone to actuate the semaphores. What should I do?
>
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Roger Blake
> I was wondering if any of the new boutique phone companies are
> dropping pulse dial.
I expect most of them have done this.
Amongst the major players, Verizon still supports pulse dial for FIOS.
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gregz
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:06:31 -0500, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 09/29/2014 03:40 PM, aandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have 2 rotary phones that have dial tone and receives calls.
>>> Unfortunately, I cannot dial out on either phone. The first phone was
>>> purchased appx 1 month ago from a local 2nd hand store. The phone
>>> company has serviced the lines and added jacks as requested appx 2
>>> weeks back. The tech had stated that there was a problem with
> the first phone. The second phone was received on 9.29 and I still have
> the same issue. Is there a simple fix?
>>>
> I was wondering if any of the new boutique phone companies are
> dropping pulse dial.
the hook. That proves it's capable of pulse detection. It's also hooked to
the comcast box, so it works either pulse or tone. Watch the movie
cellular.
Greg
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adambr...@gmail.com
> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
adambr...@gmail.com
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gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
>On 7/12/19 7:31 PM, adambr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-7, disney...@verizon.net wrote:
>>> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
>>> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
>>> do I do??
>>
>> I have a Philips Electrical Works....thinking 1940's. Whant to do this too is it the same as all other posts?
>>
>If it's got a red wire and a green wire, hook those up to the matching
>wires in your house phone line.
adambr...@gmail.com
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gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
you need to find out if your hardware supports rotary dial.
The Telco usually does, actually it may still be in their tariff that
they have to.
gregz
Greg
trader_4
you have that you're trying to connect this rotary phone to.
adambr...@gmail.com
trader_4
company that offers pots. You need a converter to go from rotary pulses to
DTMF tones, like this:
http://www.oldphoneshop.com/products/pulse-to-rotary-dial-converter-for-digital-telephone-providers.html
That should work for basic dialing or "push 2 for English". Beyond
that you will likely have problems, eg good luck getting it to work
with any system you interact with where you need to enter a hashtag,
etc. But if you're just using it for a nostalgia phone, converter should
be fine.
adambr...@gmail.com
> I just got an old rotary phone from an antique store - the original
> cord is attached - I want to hook it up and use it in my home - what
> do I do??
gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
get it to ring right. (party line thing)
Scott Lurndal
under the cover that has a setting for party-line vs. normal. If it
is configured properly, then only the tip and ring (green and red)
conductors are required.
Likewise for the 300 series. I've both active on a standard POTS line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_500_telephone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_302_telephone
Other than a defective ringer (extremely rare) there are common reasons old
Western Electric phones don't ring. The two most common reasons are
1.) A previous owner disconnected one or all of the wires from the ringer
going to the network inside the phone to prevent the phone company
from "seeing" his/her phone on the phone company's line test equipment or
2.) The phone was wired for "party-line" service which will prevent the bell
from ringing on today's "individual line" systems. Let's cover reason
#2 first. If your phone was originally wired for "party line" service
many decades ago you will need to do some simple modifications of the
wiring inside of the phone to make it ring. Referring to the schematic
you just printed from the link above, you will see vertical shaded bars
dividing the schematic into sections representing, among other things,
the ringer, the network, the handset, the dial and the line-switch
(a.k.a. the hook-switch.) Note in particular the wiring for the ringer
leads, line cord, and line switch. In the schematic you will see color
designations of R, BK, S, S-R, G, and Y. These refer to wire colors of Red,
Black, Slate (gray), Slate with Red stripe, Green and Yellow, respectively.
https://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/telephones-500.html
jaret smith
doesnt.
gfre...@aol.com
try it there. If that works your VoIP adapter is the problem. If
everything else works you might have to live with an electronic
ringer.
jaret smith
trader_4
gfre...@aol.com
thing to do with an "illegal phone" (before you could buy a phone or
hook one up if you did come up with one). The Telco could tell how
many ringers you had but not how many phones. The wires may just be
cut. There will be 4 going to the coils on an old Western phone,
probably the same on a Stromberg.
Scott Lurndal
>On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:44:47 PM UTC-7, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> try it there. If that works your VoIP adapter is the problem. If
>> everything else works you might have to live with an electronic
>> ringer.
>
> Converter. The phone dials out but it wont rind when someone calls me, wh=
or connected in party-line mode. Look around on the internet for WE500
wiring diagram.
It may also be that the voip adapter doesn't provide sufficient current to
drive the ringer.
gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
together.
Ralph Mowery
> It may also be that the voip adapter doesn't provide sufficient current to
> drive the ringer.
>
>
and an old Sothwester Bell Freedom phone. One of the slim types. It
will not ring the bell and neither will the touch pad so I can not dial
out or answer any of those calls that say press a number. It will
answer and talk.
trader_4
"i got the Telephone Module Pulse Transfer Dual Tone Multiple Frequency DTMF Converter"
You would think the converter, to be useful, would generate the ring voltage,
but who knows. Which is why I asked for a link to whatever it is that he has.
Scott Lurndal
move a connection on the terminal block from one terminal to another.
The yellow and black wires (on the modern POTS side) are N/C.
Red and Green (Ring and Tip) are the only wires connected.
https://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/telephones-500.html
Scroll down to "do you have a model that doesn't ring".
gfre...@aol.com
yellow. The 4 wire line set came with the Princess phone.
"It's little, it's lovely and it lights". (via a wall wart that put
voltage on the yellow and black for the light bulb)
Scott Lurndal
>On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:38:47 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>>>together.
>>
>>That's not precisely correct. You remove the shell of the phone and
>>move a connection on the terminal block from one terminal to another.
>>
>>The yellow and black wires (on the modern POTS side) are N/C.
>>
>>Red and Green (Ring and Tip) are the only wires connected.
>>
>>https://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/telephones-500.html
>>
>>Scroll down to "do you have a model that doesn't ring".
>
>A rotary dial phone would have had a 3 wire line set, red, green and
>yellow.
had three wire for the POTS service. POTS service has always been two wire (tip and ring);
the yellow and black wires were used for lighted dials (with a transformer
on premises) on certain model phones. In some installations, the yellow
was tied to local ground.
Look at the Bell wiring diagram noted above.
gfre...@aol.com
ringing. I had a party line in 1984 and I know this for sure.
You must just be young if you never saw 3 wire line cords. The 4 wire
cord did not come out until the Princess phone in the 60s.
They also used 3 conductor station wire until the Princess.
Mark Lloyd
[snip]
> The yellow and green on the old 3 wire line set was used for selective
> ringing. I had a party line in 1984 and I know this for sure.
> You must just be young if you never saw 3 wire line cords. The 4 wire
> cord did not come out until the Princess phone in the 60s.
>
> They also used 3 conductor station wire until the Princess.
3-conductor (red/green/yellow).
I grew up in a house with a party-line phone. IIRC, that just had 2 wires.
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gfre...@aol.com
wrote:
>On 9/25/19 10:37 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> The yellow and green on the old 3 wire line set was used for selective
>> ringing. I had a party line in 1984 and I know this for sure.
>> You must just be young if you never saw 3 wire line cords. The 4 wire
>> cord did not come out until the Princess phone in the 60s.
>>
>> They also used 3 conductor station wire until the Princess.
>
>The house I'm in now was built in 1969. The old phone wire is
>3-conductor (red/green/yellow).
>
>I grew up in a house with a party-line phone. IIRC, that just had 2 wires.
party 1 is on the red/green and party 2 is on red yellow. I found this
out when I hooked up a phone in a house I was renting in 84 and I
didn't know it was a party line. When I did the normal green yellow
connection at the Dmark my phone rang when it was for me or the other
guy. The other guy ended up calling the telco because I was on the
line when they answered a call The phone man is the one who told me
about the yellow and green thing. I was red/yellow.