OT: Japan commie flu death rate versus ...

[T]

From the newest member of American Pravda:

More people died of suicide in Japan in one month than the entire
coronavirus pandemic

https://www.foxnews.com/world/more-people-died-of-suicide-in-japan-in-one-month-than-the-entire-coronavirus-pandemic

The National Police Agency said suicides surged to
2,153 in October alone, with more than 17,000
people taking their own lives this year to date,
CBS reported.

By comparison, fewer than 2,000 people in the country
have died from COVID-19 in 2020.

One wonders if the are counting death "with", like
we are, or death "from" the commie flu.

[Ed Pawlowski]

They are more cautious and they wear masks. Some Asian countries have
long worn masks if there was chance of sickness.

[T]

Hi Ed,

There are a lot more variables than just masks, especially
since actual science (randomized clinical trials) show
them to be of little use.

They also may be protecting those at risk, rather than
harassing the general population. Japan has YUGE elderly
population that could have been very badly affected as
Italy's was and New York's debacle was (murder).

And they may simply be counting differently.

It would be fascinating to see an actual study
that stuck to science on Japan's experience, MINUS
the political correctness that smothers out the
truth over here.

There suicide rate truly sucks. I hope
they figure it out and fix it soon.

-T

[trader_4]

The biggest "variable" is that the countries that dealt with Covid successfully and have
very low numbers had a competent leader and a plan. Trump and you Trumpets like
to call it the China virus. Yet China has just 4600 deaths, while we have 270K. South Korea
has just 500. The difference is those countries with low numbers took it seriously, came up
with a national plan and carried it out. In China right now, if a city has a dozen cases of
community spread, they test all 5 million people in ten days. I remember Trump's Admiral
Nocando. who he put in charge of testing, dismissing anything like that as ridiculous, impossible,
not possible here, not anywhere in this universe. Meanwhile Trump lied, said it would all just
go away, no big deal, we're rounding the bend. Now we're suffering the consequences.
We can't test a whole city, we still have long lines to get tested, it can take a week to get
the results. The mighty US has fallen badly under Trump and can't get up. Plans, testing,
tracking, consistent messaging and leadership work. Lies, not so much.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-5, T wrote:

> There suicide rate truly sucks. I hope
> they figure it out and fix it soon.

They have figured it out.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan#Cultural_attitude_towards_suicide>

It's probably not fixable without a major change to Japanese culture
as a whole.

Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

Yukio Mishima made a film from his short novel 'Patriotism'. The movie
itself is only 30 minutes and all action takes place on a start white
set derived from Noh. It's based on the 1936 coup attempt that failed.
The lieutenant is torn between duty to the Emperor and duty to his
comrades. He commits seppuku with the aid of his wife. The wife follows,
cutting her neck with a kaiken in the traditional manner.

The DVD include an interview with Mishima who expresses his regrets
about living in an era where Japan is losing its culture to Western
influences and it is impossible to die an honorable death.

The Hagakure, written in the 1700's, had its emphasis on the problems of
being a warrior with no war. The book was popularized by the movie
'Ghost Dog'. I don't think there was a link but 'The Great Santini' had
the same theme.

Mishima himself committed seppuku in 1970 after a failed attempt to get
the Japanese Self Defense Force to overthrow the 1947 constitution
imposed by the Allied forces.

Honor is a rare concept in the west but still survives in Japan.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:02:17 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



> Yukio Mishima

"Yukio Mishima", you endlessly blathering senile asshole? LOL!!!

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

"Honor" is a tribal concept. Western society is not organized tribally
(except, perhaps, the Scots).

Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

On 11/29/2020 01:04 PM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> "Honor" is a tribal concept. Western society is not organized tribally
> (except, perhaps, the Scots).

In George Fenwick Jones' 'Honor Bright: Honor in Western Literature' he
observes "In order to bring the pagans into Christian fellowship, the
missionaries had to perform a complete revaluation of all values." I
prefer Nietzsche's revaluations.

He suggests the Heathen beatitudes would have been

Blessed are the rich, for they possess the earth and its glory.

Blessed are the strong, for they can conquer kingdoms.

Blessed are they with strong kinsmen, for they shall find help.

Blessed are the warlike, for they shall win wealth and renown.

Blessed are they who keep their faith, for they shall be honored.

Blessed are they who are open-handed, for they shall have friends and fame.

Blessed are they who wreak vengeance, for they shall be offended no
more, and they shall have honor and glory all the days of their lives
and eternal fame in ages to come.

He distinguishes between the pagan shame culture and the Christian guilt
culture where god is watching your every move and will punish you in
eternity. You even start off guilty because of some dalliance between
Eve and a snake.

I guess I should have been born at least 1000 years ago.

[gfre...@aol.com]

What excuse will you be using in February? It will be Biden's virus
then.

When you had the busiest travel week in almost a year, this week, in
spite of everyone telling people not to go, do you think the president
telling people to stay home will do anything?

The democrat mayor of Denver was on a plane, visiting his folks.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:08:36 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> In George Fenwick Jones' 'Honor Bright: Honor in Western Literature' he
> observes "In order to bring the pagans into Christian fellowship, the
> missionaries had to perform a complete revaluation of all values." I
> prefer Nietzsche's revaluations.

BRUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Just WTF is WRONG with you, senile
blabbermouth? Come on, own up, finally!

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

The "guilt culture" has been so thoroughly incorporated into Western
culture that people don't even need God to feel guilt anymore.

Shame is a sense of not living up to the expectations of one's tribe.
Guilt is a sense of not living up to one's expectations of oneself.

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

No excuses needed. Covid is so out of control now that the vaccine is the only hope left.
There will likely be 400K dead by inauguration, approximately one year since the start.
The more I read and hear about Trump and the vaccine, his operaton Warp Speed,
his taking credit, the less I think he had anything to do with it. Trump told the press
that Biden will try to take credit for the vaccine, but that was "me". Not even my
administration and the drug companies, no, just me! As if he developed
the vaccine? All the vaccine companies starting working on a vaccine just about as
soon as China released the gene sequence in early January. They obviously would
have accelerated it all by March, no matter who was president. The govt, initiated by
Congress, put together a huge financial package that authorized the president to hand
out money all over the place, including billions in advance orders to the drug companies
for the vaccine and money for some to develop it. At the time, just like with almost all
other legislation, I didn't hear Trump weighing in or advocating what it should contain.
He just punted it off to Congress. I'm sure some of those agencies he attacked and hates,
like CDC and the FDA and people he hates, like Fauci, probably made recommendations
to Congress as they were putting the legislation together. Moderna, first out of the gate,
did not take govt funding for development, they did take $2 bil in advance orders.

The other Trump warp speed claim was that the military would be delivering the vaccine.
That's another lie. Now exactly what they are doing isn;t clear. It appears the most they
are doing is making sure the private companies involved are organized, coordinated and
able to do the deliveries. And the general claims that they have a wonderful big computer
that can track all the vaccines from the manufacturer, to the hospitals, pharmacies, where
they are given and the results. That involved tapping into large numbers of disparate
computer systems and somehow pulling it all together. We'll see how all that goes.

>
> When you had the busiest travel week in almost a year, this week, in
> spite of everyone telling people not to go, do you think the president
> telling people to stay home will do anything?

You're right. Trump has done such enormous, unimaginable damage already that it's
going to be near impossible to undo it at this point. Trump declared himself a war time
president with the arrival of Covid and within about a month he surrendered and instead
joined the armed militias storming the Michigan state capitol. He punted all responsibility
for a national plan, told the governors to fend for themselves. When governors tried to
take reasonable steps, Trump attacked them as no good Democrats and undermined them.
Trump mocked masks. Trump held death rallies. Trump turned it all into just another one
of his nasty, divisive shit shows. The difference is this one has had tragic, deadly results
with 260K dead, likely 400K+ before Trump leaves. With all that Trump damage, it
would take years to undo it all, if that's even possible. We have to rely on the vaccine at this
point. But then you should be happy, you wanted to let her rip, now we're seeing the results.
The only thing that will limit this from turning out even worse is that we appear to have
effective vaccines about to start. If that had taken another 6 months or a
year or two. just imagine the world of hurt we would be in. And the damage Trump has
done, attacking the credibility of FDA, CDC, Fauci, etc, it remains to be seen how many
trumptards will refuse to be vaccinated, still believing it's all a hoax. That could leave
how many more hundreds of thousands dead?

>
> The democrat mayor of Denver was on a plane, visiting his folks.

Some Democrats do stupid things to. Fortunately he's not the president, so his damage
was very limited.

[rbowman]

On 11/30/2020 04:25 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The "guilt culture" has been so thoroughly incorporated into Western
> culture that people don't even need God to feel guilt anymore.

No, any Karen will do. You don't have to go far in this group to find
someone saying 'if you don't wear a mask you're going to kill everyone.
You have a duty to society!'

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 07:45:39 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> The "guilt culture" has been so thoroughly incorporated into Western
>> culture that people don't even need God to feel guilt anymore.
>
> No, any Karen will do. You don't have to go far in this group to find
> someone saying 'if you don't wear a mask you're going to kill everyone.
> You have a duty to society!'

So, senilecovid- and trumptard, does that mean that you are suffering from
feelings of guilt, or no? <G>

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 06:05:36 -0800 (PST), trader_4

Most of the country thinks Trump is full of shit, at least the 80
million who voted for Biden. Do you think they were all spared last
week? I don't suppose any democrats were on planes. You do make it
sound like there was nobody out there banging the drum for caution.

I still say who are you going to blame for all of the nations ills
when Trump is gone? He seems to be your "Go To" excuse for everything
bad that happened in the last 4 years.

It really sucked how he sent those hurricanes right up through the
center of his support this year. I also notice that 4 major hurricanes
and several lesser storms hit in the same general area and did not
generate the kind of lurid headlines we got from Katrina. Was it FEMA
(supposedly decimated by Trump) or just the resilience of the people
in those red states that made the difference?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 11/30/2020 2:21 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> I still say who are you going to blame for all of the nations ills
> when Trump is gone? He seems to be your "Go To" excuse for everything
> bad that happened in the last 4 years.
>
> It really sucked how he sent those hurricanes right up through the
> center of his support this year. I also notice that 4 major hurricanes
> and several lesser storms hit in the same general area and did not
> generate the kind of lurid headlines we got from Katrina. Was it FEMA
> (supposedly decimated by Trump) or just the resilience of the people
> in those red states that made the difference?
>

Trump's fault we had them. Earlier in the year he said he was going to
blow them up. What happened to that? He also used his magic marker to
change the path of one too. He's a genius.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 30 Nov 2020 03:25:41 -0800 (PST),

"angelica...@yahoo.com" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>The "guilt culture" has been so thoroughly incorporated into Western
>culture that people don't even need God to feel guilt anymore.
>
>Shame is a sense of not living up to the expectations of one's tribe.

I would say shame is a sense of not behaving well when one could have.

>Guilt is a sense of not living up to one's expectations of oneself.

And guilt is a sense of behaving badly when one did not have to.

>Cindy Hamilton

I dont' see them as particularly related to one's tribe, even when one
has a tribe. That members of a tribe usually shame many/most/almost
all of the same values doesn't mean one performs for the tribe.

Embarrassment is related to what others think of what you've done.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Your logic is as silly as Traders's. I guess I should sell my
generator because we are not going to have any more hurricanes.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Sure, the logic is dumb but it was used by the President of the United
States and people follow his every word. He has some withholding tax
ideas too, brought to you buy the guy that repeatedly filed bankruptcy.

[marika]

Officially glad i do not have to go into work

More than half the clientele in that job have cardiopulmonary issues

mk5000

He wasted no time to disperse all the drivers except one. The gentleman had bargained in Thai for the best price on my behalf. He spoke in German-accented English, “I’m Max. The cab driver will take us to our hotel?” --Young, Turpitude