Behr Paint
TB
Moore to Behr paints just before painting. Obviously, this made me a
bit suspicious. He said that Benjamin Moore has recently been sold and
that the color consistency has been uneven. Does this ring true to
anyone? The painter came highly recommended, but I've begun to wonder.
m Ransley
, and I cant compare. But you are looking at him increasing his bottom
line. If he quoted Moore get what you paid for. If anything the amateurs
at HD will mix it wrong, That im sure of.
Skirmishd
conversation with my husband.
He had painted our newly-built garage in top-end Moore and loved the results
and how easy the paint was to work with. Everybody seems to be impressed with
the paint and he's gotten many comments from neighbors and some of the workmen
who had to come back to fix a few things. One neighbor said that he knows a
guy who is really high up in the Behr company and his whole house was painted
in Moore.
Good luck to you!
Jim
The "amateurs" at HD punch a few buttons, and the machine does the
tinting. :+)
Moore may be better than Behr, but the tinting/color machines are pretty
slick.
Jim
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I'm not positive, but I think Consumer Reports didn't give Behr a good
rating. Their top pick however was the Lowes paint, Valspar.
My experience with Behr wasn't good, and I really like the Valspar
paint
mort
Art
several other brands. Check it out at the library.
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Curmudgeon
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Roger
the latest Consumer Reports issues. May have been interior paint - not
sure. If you don't subscribe, chk in library. It would be in painter's
interest to change to Behr, as it is cheaper for him, but may do just as
well for you. I think the color consistency is BS - this is a Red Herring,
IMHO.
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m Ransley
as well
sams
off the old stain Flood oil-latex red stain. The first coat was washed
out in the hurricane Charlie, cause I painted a just a few hrs before
the hurricane. The second work I started almost a week after, in the
evening and since I forgot to stir the paint (5 gal bucket), next day
morning to our horror the paint work all turned out to be chalky and
the Gettysburg blue stains standing apart in patches where ever the
morning due/mist has formed a film of water. So I did start the 3rd
coat, after mixing the paint using a paint stirrer attached to an
electric drill, on a full day light under direct sun (not an good idea
according to Behr instruction). It looks good in the morning inspite
of the standing thin film of water on top of the yesterday paint work.
Can I call it success? Still the verdict is out with the sleeping home
inspectors (thats my wife and kids).
Sam
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Les Nessman
We've used both. Noticed no difference in quality, only price. Just moved
and
Behr is on my list of things to buy.
TB
amazing group that you can post a query at night and wake up to ten
responses. One more specific question. It looks as if we are switching
from Moore's Moorglo Softgloss Medium 0962b (fortified acrylic) to
Behr exterior flat/premium plus no. 4560. I've found that the Behr is
on sale (!) for $18.95 at Home Depot. Can anyone tell me what this
specific line of Moore sells for?
Thanks again to all.
Tim
Clayton
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Sounds like your painter isn't a professional painter.
Benny Moore does not mix by eye like the old days, except for custom mixed
_stains_. They use the latest technologies for computer color matching &
mixing.
No real painter shops @ Home Depot for paint. No real painter would make
the claim Behr is better than Moore. Behr paints rate good in consumer
reports because a very large % of _retail_ people use it because of costs.
Bottom line is it is cheaper, and the layman believes all paints are equal,
most can not justify paying $3-$10 more per gallon for the superior product.
Your painter should _not_ be painting from one gallon to the next. They
should mix/blend when getting to the bottom of a gallon/bucket. This is
done even with the most expensive paints on the market. If your painter
isn't blending the last of their buckets, they really haven't a clue about
painting. The painter should not be painting straight out of the can, a
painter uses a paint bucket.
Might be time to begin more than wondering about your painter.
Travis Jordan
Benjamin Moore has been owned by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway
company since 2000. Either your painter is talking about the sale of a
local franchise or company-owned STORE or he is misinformed.
Barry Feldman
they buy - if anything they put in more capital to make things better.
consumer reports has been changing what they like which either means
a) there isn't much difference in paints
b) there is and you have to check consumer reports all the time
Someone in the thread mentioned that Behr was picked by Consumer
Reports because more people use it? That's dumb - the ratings aren't
based on a sampling of customers. It's people with clip boards and sun
lamps staring at the paint and see which one holds up the longest.
In article <nq2Yc.3814$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Travis Jordan
Roger
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> No real painter shops @ Home Depot for paint. No real painter would make
> the claim Behr is better than Moore. Behr paints rate good in consumer
> reports because a very large % of _retail_ people use it because of costs.
> Bottom line is it is cheaper, and the layman believes all paints are
equal,
> most can not justify paying $3-$10 more per gallon for the superior
product.
I'm not a booster of either HD or CU, but I've seen painters buy paint at
Home Depot. Maybe they were *posing* as painters, but those overalls looked
convincing.
Consumers Reports cares little about sales volume, but they do rate paints
that have reasonably high sales volume, to limit number of trials, and
eliminate boutique sized paint companies, that are usually made by the big
manufacturers anyway. They rate paints by color retention, aging, ease of
application, etc, and have thorough aging tests in a variety of
environments, and take no advertising money. My experience is that I will
usually go with whatever the painter is comfortable with, unless the CU
evaluation is just rotten, when I ask him to change brands. Both Behr and
Ben Moore are rated fully acceptable, but Behr beats Moore in areas of price
and performance, and is not retail sales related at all, in my opinion.
m Ransley
LIAR.......I would not let work on my house.....
Clayton
"Barry Feldman" wrote
> And Berkshire is legedary for not changing anything about the companies
> they buy - if anything they put in more capital to make things better.
>
> consumer reports has been changing what they like which either means
>
> a) there isn't much difference in paints
> b) there is and you have to check consumer reports all the time
>
> Someone in the thread mentioned that Behr was picked by Consumer
> Reports because more people use it? That's dumb - the ratings aren't
> based on a sampling of customers. It's people with clip boards and sun
> lamps staring at the paint and see which one holds up the longest.
Bzzzzzztttttttttt wrong. Consumers reports is geared toward the average
homeowner, not the professional. Here's something taken directly from their
site which shows their reports _are_ supplemented by surveys taken directly
from subscribers of Consumers Reports.
"To supplement laboratory testing, the survey research department gathers
the experiences that hundreds of thousands of our subscribers have had with
products and services through an annual questionnaire. Those results are the
basis of our well-known auto Frequency-of-Repair index and other
product-reliability reports."
Next time at least look into the subject before inserting foot in mouth.
Clayton
"Roger" wrote
> I'm not a booster of either HD or CU, but I've seen painters buy paint at
> Home Depot. Maybe they were *posing* as painters, but those overalls
looked
> convincing.
> Consumers Reports cares little about sales volume, but they do rate paints
> that have reasonably high sales volume, to limit number of trials, and
> eliminate boutique sized paint companies, that are usually made by the big
> manufacturers anyway. They rate paints by color retention, aging, ease of
> application, etc, and have thorough aging tests in a variety of
> environments, and take no advertising money. My experience is that I will
> usually go with whatever the painter is comfortable with, unless the CU
> evaluation is just rotten, when I ask him to change brands. Both Behr and
> Ben Moore are rated fully acceptable, but Behr beats Moore in areas of
price
> and performance, and is not retail sales related at all, in my opinion.
You need to familiarize yourself with how Consumer Reports works, instead of
how you think it works. Once you become familiar with it, you understand
their reports are influenced by hundreds of thousands clueless
consumers/subscribers which put in their .02. These are the same consumers
which never thought about buying quality over cheapness.
Consumer doesn't take advertising money, but they sure haul in the _grant_
money from manufacturers.
Roger
> Bzzzzzztttttttttt wrong. Consumers reports is geared toward the average
> homeowner, not the professional. Here's something taken directly from
their
> site which shows their reports _are_ supplemented by surveys taken
directly
> from subscribers of Consumers Reports.
>
> "To supplement laboratory testing, the survey research department gathers
> the experiences that hundreds of thousands of our subscribers have had
with
> products and services through an annual questionnaire. Those results are
the
> basis of our well-known auto Frequency-of-Repair index and other
> product-reliability reports."
>
> Next time at least look into the subject before inserting foot in mouth.
You are completely off base, Clayton. Performance testing is done in the
lab, repair frequencies and such are polled from actual buyers; not idiots.
>
Bob(but not that Bob)
> You need to familiarize yourself with how Consumer Reports works, instead of
> how you think it works. Once you become familiar with it, you understand
> their reports are influenced by hundreds of thousands clueless
> consumers/subscribers which put in their .02. These are the same consumers
> which never thought about buying quality over cheapness.
>
You're thinking of CU's reliability surveys, which are based on consumer
input.
Product tests are done in CU's "test lab" - whether their results are
valid is another matter.
Art
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are to gather repair records and to help decide what to test in the future.
The surveys do not ask readers to judge the quality of paint, vacuum
cleaners or anything else except perhaps to ask whether you would buy the
same car again.
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jeffc
> , and I cant compare.
Doesn't stop you from blathering on with your opinion though.
> But you are looking at him increasing his bottom
> line. If he quoted Moore get what you paid for. If anything the amateurs
> at HD will mix it wrong, That im sure of.
Uh huh, right.
jeffc
>
> No real painter shops @ Home Depot for paint. No real painter would make
> the claim Behr is better than Moore. Behr paints rate good in consumer
> reports because a very large % of _retail_ people use it because of costs.
> Bottom line is it is cheaper, and the layman believes all paints are
equal,
> most can not justify paying $3-$10 more per gallon for the superior
product.
The same is true of Moore. All you morons babbling on about Behr vs.
Moore - there is no such thing as Benjamin Moore paint. There is Regal,
Muresco, Colorscapes, Eco Spec, Moorcraft, etc., but no Benjamin Moore.
Some is good, some is cheap. Same with Sherwin Williams or any other
company. They make Style Perfect, which is cheap, and they make SuperPaint,
which is not. Just check it out yourself - they even claim Style Perfect
doesn't cover well.
http://www.sherwin-williams.com/diy/interior/paint/intratingchart.asp
So everyone knock it off.
montana wildhack
> My painter, for whom I had good references, has switched from Benjamin
> Moore to Behr paints just before painting. Obviously, this made me a
> bit suspicious. He said that Benjamin Moore has recently been sold and
> that the color consistency has been uneven. Does this ring true to
> anyone? The painter came highly recommended, but I've begun to wonder.
As others have said, the painter seems to have quoted you one product
and switched to another before painting. If he figured the quote using
Benny Moore, he should either use the Moore paint or give you a rebate.
I've had all sorts of pros tell me what kind of paint I should want,
they've told me what they would use on a job and they all get the same
answer from me; we're using Benny Moore paint. Once that arguement is
over, I've had every one of the pros tell me they prefer Benny Moore.
Go figure.
I've tried a lot of products recommended by CR and have yet to be
satisfied. I think their advice is actually pretty lousy, but maybe
that's just me.