Garbage disposal motor hum

[Jim S]

Helping a friend.

This garbage disposal motors says it was installed in 2013 and is 3/4HP and
it's in a kitchen sink and the motor won't run (it hums ever so slightly).
[https://ufile.io/2r66e90t]

I pressed the red button on the bottom but that didn't change anything.
I only had time to snap a few pictures. Here's one.

Have you ever replaced one?
I think all I have to do is something like:
a. Disconnect power & water (if any)
b. Unscrew the top (looks like Phillips or nut drivers)
c. Put in the new motor and screw it back at the top
d. Reconnect water (if any) and power

Does it take a goop (I see something brown at the top)?

What's a good but inexpensive brand and size to replace it with?
She says she only uses it a little.

There isn't much room under the sink if that matters.
--
Jim S

[Ed Pawlowski]

Could be jammed. You have to manually unjam it with a tool on the
bottom or a stick in the disposal itself. If that does not work, it is
a dead motor.

I'd only put in a Kitchen Aid or InSinkErator as they are good quality.
My house came with a GE and it is crap.

No water to connect, just drain and electric.

Your photo is not able to be seen. Shitty web service, they want money.

[Jim S]

In article <news:D55tK.235402$JVi.1...@fx17.iad>, <e...@snet.xxx> says...

> Your photo is not able to be seen. Shitty web service, they want money.

Sorry about the crummy original photo site.
Better photo upload site. Let me know if it doesn't work.
[https://8upload.com/display/62b4e9feba7c9/disposal.jpg.php]
[https://8upload.com/image/62b4e9feba7c9/disposal.jpg]
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[hub...@ccanoemail.com]

Why have a garbage disposal ? < serious question >
I've lived on this planet for 65 years, in numerous homes
and apartments - none of which had any garbage disposal
device at the sink. I can't say I've ever missed it !
... seems like just-another repair / maintenance> headache
to me ..
What do you put in there and where does it go ? exactly ..
Curious minds need to know ..
John T.

[John Robertson]

On 2022/06/23 3:41 pm, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> What do you put in there and where does it go ? exactly ..

My wife puts in all the "food" that is scraped off dishes.

Also banana peels, egg shells, onion skins, potato skins, apple cores, old
stale bread, garlic skins, meat cuttings (mostly fat), chicken bones, etc.

Never had a problem with the mechanics of the garbage disposal unit though.
So I can't offer the OP any advice other than they should last forever.

As for my wife, she thinks it all goes back into the ground all munched up
and ready to be fertilizer and I can't disabuse her of that as we get the
septic cleaned out every five years or so and she says she only sees stuff
the kids threw into the toilet when they're pumping it all back out.
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[hub...@ccanoemail.com]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 17:24:22 -0600, John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com>
wrote:

>On 2022/06/23 3:41 pm, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> What do you put in there and where does it go ? exactly ..
>
>My wife puts in all the "food" that is scraped off dishes.
>
>Also banana peels, egg shells, onion skins, potato skins, apple cores, old
>stale bread, garlic skins, meat cuttings (mostly fat), chicken bones, etc.
>
>Never had a problem with the mechanics of the garbage disposal unit though.
>So I can't offer the OP any advice other than they should last forever.
>
>As for my wife, she thinks it all goes back into the ground all munched up
>and ready to be fertilizer and I can't disabuse her of that as we get the
>septic cleaned out every five years or so and she says she only sees stuff
>the kids threw into the toilet when they're pumping it all back out.
>

I've had septic on all 4 of my homes - the kitchen food wastes
always went into the compost pail or the garbage. No big deal.
When younger and living in city apartments - the major solid food
waste went into the garbage - minor stuff went down the drain.
again no big deal ..
John T.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/23/2022 6:41 PM, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> Why have a garbage disposal ? < serious question >
> I've lived on this planet for 65 years, in numerous homes
> and apartments - none of which had any garbage disposal
> device at the sink. I can't say I've ever missed it !
> ... seems like just-another repair / maintenance> headache
> to me ..
> What do you put in there and where does it go ? exactly ..
> Curious minds need to know ..
> John T.
>

Convenience. No stink in the trash, it gets washed down the drain.
I've had one for the past 56 years and don't like being without.

Rinse the dishes and the goop goes into the machine.

[Bob F]

I just tap the strainer into the compost bin by the sink as needed, and
dump that as needed into a bucket outside that gets dumped in the
compost bin out back every week or 2.. No stink. It just becomes next
years garden enrichment. Never a clogged pipe for this 95yo house.

[Dan Espen]

Agree.

Got my first one in 2000. Contractor picked a low end model and in 2002
I had to replace it because it was leaking and rusted. I bought the
same brand (Insinkerator) but went for an upper end model. Still
working fine 20 years later.

They are heavy but otherwise easy to replace.

I believe there is more energy content in raw food and putting it down
the drain actually helps break down the other waste.

--
Dan Espen

[Marilyn Manson]

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-4, Jim S wrote:
> Helping a friend.
>
> This garbage disposal motors says it was installed in 2013 and is 3/4HP and
> it's in a kitchen sink and the motor won't run (it hums ever so slightly).
> [https://ufile.io/2r66e90t]

Create a free account at imgur for photos. We'll get to see them for free with
no registration. e.g.

https://i.imgur.com/ciN1jNm.jpg

A 10 YO disposal from ACE hardware? I'd say it's time for new one.

>
> I pressed the red button on the bottom but that didn't change anything.

Is there an 1/4" Allen wrench stored on the bottom of the unit? 10 years? Probably not.
Get one and put it in hole on the bottom of the housing. Turn it back and forth and see
if something is jammed inside.

> I only had time to snap a few pictures. Here's one.
>
> Have you ever replaced one?
> I think all I have to do is something like:
> a. Disconnect power & water (if any)
> b. Unscrew the top (looks like Phillips or nut drivers)
> c. Put in the new motor and screw it back at the top
> d. Reconnect water (if any) and power

Most disposals will come with their own mounting hardware including
a new sink basket. They are pretty easy to install these days. Finding one
that fits the existing hardware might not be as easy as you think.

>
> Does it take a goop (I see something brown at the top)?

That's probably the fiber washer. Most disposals use them.

>
> What's a good but inexpensive brand and size to replace it with?
> She says she only uses it a little.

Really? "good but inexpensive"? Two words that are very subjective.

All I can say is that In-Sink-Erator is my go-to brand, typically the
Evolution Compact 3/4 or 5/8 HP, Continuous Feed. Very quiet, even
in a steel sink. Almost silent in a big ole cast iron sink.

You can spend a little more money with a Evolution Select model and
get even more noise reduction "technology".

If you want to go cheaper and put up with a little more noise, check
out the In-Sink-Erator Badger series. Probably still quieter than that
old ACE unit.

You may find slightly different models at different stores. e.g. the same
model but 3/4HP at one store and 5/8HP at another store. It's a game to
prevent price matching. No one is going to notice the difference of 1/8HP.

Stick with Continuous Feed. Batch Feed means you need to install a cover
over the drain to turn the unit on. PITA, but safer, I guess.

>
> There isn't much room under the sink if that matters.

Badgers are smaller than the Evolution series (less noise reduction "technology")
but the ACE one that's in there looks pretty big, comparatively.

[trader_4]

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 5:40:57 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/23/2022 4:26 PM, Jim S wrote:
> > Helping a friend.
> >
> > This garbage disposal motors says it was installed in 2013 and is 3/4HP and
> > it's in a kitchen sink and the motor won't run (it hums ever so slightly).
> > [https://ufile.io/2r66e90t]
> >
> > I pressed the red button on the bottom but that didn't change anything.
> > I only had time to snap a few pictures. Here's one.
> >
> > Have you ever replaced one?
> > I think all I have to do is something like:
> > a. Disconnect power & water (if any)
> > b. Unscrew the top (looks like Phillips or nut drivers)
> > c. Put in the new motor and screw it back at the top
> > d. Reconnect water (if any) and power
> >
> > Does it take a goop (I see something brown at the top)?
> >
> > What's a good but inexpensive brand and size to replace it with?
> > She says she only uses it a little.
> >
> > There isn't much room under the sink if that matters.
> Could be jammed. You have to manually unjam it with a tool on the
> bottom or a stick in the disposal itself. If that does not work, it is
> a dead motor.

That's always been an allen wrench on the ones I've had. They give you
one with the unit, but you can use any allen wrench that fits. If it's stuck
it could be a one time thing due to something in there, which may need to
be removed by hand. (make sure the power is off) Or it can be a sign that
water has gotten into the bearings, they are rusting and it's starting to go.
If that's the case, it will seize up again. Might be able to get more life out
of it by using it regularly. When starting to go like that they can seize up
if not used for a week, but work OK if you use it every other day.

[Frank]

Sometimes if it is jammed, turning it with a broom handle from the top
may unstick it.

Might mention, with septic, I put as little down it as possible.

[trader_4]

I have municipal sewer and I put as little down as possible. The big stuff from
peeling vegetables goes in the trash, the small stuff in the disposal. The local
landfill generates electric from the trash, so there is some positive there,
though it does also generate CO2. I wonder what the best CO2 strategy is there?
Like the stuff that goes into the municipal sewer, where does it really wind up?
I don't like putting more than necessary down the pipes because I figure more
likely something will get clogged eventually.

[Marilyn Manson]

I used to think that also, but...

When I moved into this house, 30+ years ago, there was no garbage disposal. I
decided to surprise SWMBO with one for her birthday. As I started to take apart the
galvanized drain pipes I was amazed that the sink even drained. I could not see
through the 2" pipe, even through a section less than 2' long. There was so much
gunk built up the pipe that there was less than a 1" spiraling hole through the sludge.
I ended up replacing about 15' of the galvanized with PVC, from the sink to the
main stack. We've had a GD ever since - first a Kenmore (what did I know? I was
a rookie at the time) then an InSinkErator.

Last year I had issue with my main sewer. As part of the troubleshooting, I had my
drains scoped from where the main stack exits the roof, all the way out to the street.
I have the video. The drains are smooth and clean, with the only obstruction being
the roots where the town screwed up a connection years ago. (They fixed that at
no cost to me) I was recently disconnected the PVC drain while working on a project
and it is perfectly clear also.

Bottom line: 30 years of no garbage disposal resulted in pipes that were almost full
of sludge. 30+ year with a GD, and without being particularly cautious with what goes
into it, I have had no ill effects. Did the PVC help? Of course. Did the GD hurt? Absolutely
not.

YMMV

[Frank]

I learned a lesson in my first house on a sewer line figuring I would
dispose some stinky crab shells down the disposal there that I could jam
the pipes.

I hear that there are municipal sewers in places like Greece where you
are not even permitted to put down toilet paper there.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 6/23/22 16:40, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

[snip]

> Your photo is not able to be seen.  Shitty web service, they want money.

I was able to get a free download by clicking more than once.

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Garbage In -- Gospel Out

[Marilyn Manson]

But of course that has nothing to do with the garbage disposal, just a bad decision on
the user's part. InSinkErator addresses this sort of thing on their website. (Substitute
eggshells for crab shells)

https://blog.insinkerator.com/what-not-put-garbage-disposal/

"There is often the question of using a disposal for eggshells and coffee grounds. In fact,
neither of these materials is harmful to a disposal, and will pass through it without a problem.
However, problems can arise with household plumbing – especially if it is older, or has not
been cleared in some time.

Both coffee grounds and eggshells are sedimentary in nature, if too much is placed in at
one time, or if the plumbing is restricted, it can create a clog or a ‘slow drain’ situation.
To help avoid any problems, feed these materials into the disposer gradually, and utilize
a strong flow of cold water to help flush it through the pipes."

Later on that same page, is a chart that says small bones (with a picture of a fish) are
OK. The same "small amounts, full flush" instructions apply.

I'm not saying that I put bones in my InSinkErator, but knowing that it can handle them
gives me confidence that just about anything else I put in there (e.g. food scraps) will
be ground up to such an extent that it won't cause an issue. 30+ years of problem free
experience tells me that I am right.

The only thing that I have trouble with is stringy stuff like some fruit/vegetable skins
that the grinder can't pulverize. In these cases, the item tends to stay in the GD and I
can hear sound of it once the GD is otherwise empty. With the removable sink baffle
that the InSinkErator uses, it's easy to get my hand into the unit and remove the
offending debris.

https://i.imgur.com/YAyLw1o.jpg

[Marilyn Manson]

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:34:12 AM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 6/23/22 16:40, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Your photo is not able to be seen. Shitty web service, they want money.
> I was able to get a free download by clicking more than once.
>

Even so, it's still a shitty web service. ;-)

[Scott Lurndal]

trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:53:39 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

>> Might mention, with septic, I put as little down it as possible.

As do I.

>
>I have municipal sewer and I put as little down as possible. The big stuff from
>peeling vegetables goes in the trash, the small stuff in the disposal.

Everything organic goes into the compost pile (or the greenwaste bin).

> The local
>landfill generates electric from the trash, so there is some positive there,
>though it does also generate CO2. I wonder what the best CO2 strategy is there?

So long as they're burning trash derived from non-fossil sources, the CO2
emitted is a balanced part of the normal carbon cycle. Just like burning
firewood where the carbon has only been locked up for a few decades at most.

Adding carbon to the atmosphere from 100 million years ago throws the balanced
carbon cycle out of wack.

[Scott Lurndal]

https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/travel-etiquette/bathroom-etiquette-around-the-world

[Frank]

Reminds me of a soldier returning from the middle east telling me the
natives were ruining their porta potties by stand up on them to poop.

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 02:12:10 +1000, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home>
wrote:

Its worse than that. We have just had a woman from India piss
on the front lawn in front of everyone at a garage/yard sale,
presumably because that's the way they do things in India.

And while the word dunny is commonly used in Australia, it isn't
the word most use when asking where the nearest public toilet is.

[Ed Pawlowski]

We had an issue at work with some Asian temps doing that. Cleaning lady
bitched about footprints on the toilet seats.

[hgt]

We had the reverse at the uni I worked at. The building manager had
to tell an Indian that he should put the used toilet paper in the toilet
and flush it, not leave it on the floor beside the toilet.

[Peeler]

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[bruce bowser]

Your international political scientists can usually tell you about toilet plumbing outside of the west. There, they only did a hole in the ground. Which means you squat. And you get into the habit of squatting. No place to sit.

[hgt]

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wrote:

In India most don't even bother with a hole in the ground,
just shit on the ground and leave the turd lying there.

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[Ed Pawlowski]

North Korea collects it for fertilizer.

[Snag]

On 6/23/2022 5:41 PM, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 17:40:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>
>> On 6/23/2022 4:26 PM, Jim S wrote:
>>> Helping a friend.
>>>
>>> This garbage disposal motors says it was installed in 2013 and is 3/4HP and
>>> it's in a kitchen sink and the motor won't run (it hums ever so slightly).
>>> [https://ufile.io/2r66e90t]
>>>

>>> I pressed the red button on the bottom but that didn't change anything.

>>> I only had time to snap a few pictures. Here's one.
>>>
>>> Have you ever replaced one?
>>> I think all I have to do is something like:
>>> a. Disconnect power & water (if any)
>>> b. Unscrew the top (looks like Phillips or nut drivers)
>>> c. Put in the new motor and screw it back at the top
>>> d. Reconnect water (if any) and power
>>>

>>> Does it take a goop (I see something brown at the top)?
>>>

>>> What's a good but inexpensive brand and size to replace it with?
>>> She says she only uses it a little.
>>>

>>> There isn't much room under the sink if that matters.
>>

>> Could be jammed. You have to manually unjam it with a tool on the
>> bottom or a stick in the disposal itself. If that does not work, it is
>> a dead motor.
>>

>> I'd only put in a Kitchen Aid or InSinkErator as they are good quality.
>> My house came with a GE and it is crap.
>>
>> No water to connect, just drain and electric.

>>
>> Your photo is not able to be seen. Shitty web service, they want money.
>>
>
>

> Why have a garbage disposal ? < serious question >
> I've lived on this planet for 65 years, in numerous homes
> and apartments - none of which had any garbage disposal
> device at the sink. I can't say I've ever missed it !
> ... seems like just-another repair / maintenance> headache
> to me ..
> What do you put in there and where does it go ? exactly ..
> Curious minds need to know ..
> John T.
>
>

We've found that what the dog doesn't want , the chickens do ...
except raw potatoes and onion trimmin's . Those go into the compost .
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[Mark Lloyd]

Yes.

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[Frank]

On 6/25/2022 12:43 PM, hgt wrote:

Quick search just told us that 98% of Indians have access to indoor
plumbing but ten years ago it was less than half.

Indian friend had told me that everyone had their spot outside.

[hgt]

But they don't shit on the ground anywhere they like.

China collects shit and uses it for fertilizer too, but again,
they don't shit on the ground and just leave it there for
anyone to tread on.

[hgt]

Don't beieve that it is even possible to change that quickly with
something like that.

> Indian friend had told me that everyone had their spot outside.

Don't believe that either.

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