Store aluminum ladder outdoors?

[dgk]

I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
problems?

[Frank]

Aluminum would be OK but any plastics, like the rope, would degrade more
rapidly exposed to sunlight.

[Sjouke Burry]

dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlcjoojhcmp5niidkegt@
4ax.com:

Why provide extra means of entry for burglary?
They love people who leave ladders for them......

[Jules Richardson]

Hmm, isn't the aim for most burglaries to get into the house unseen as
quickly as possible - so entry via a lower window is preferable to
fetching a ladder and going in via the top (assuming that the upper floor
windows are closed, I suppose :-)

cheers

Jules

[Tony Hwang]

Hi,
I have been doing it for years for my 32 feet ext. ladder, I hang it
under the eve. of tool shed when not in use.

[DerbyDad03]

The bottom of my deck joists are just under 6' above the ground, so I
can walk underneath it.

I screwed brackets to the block wall under the deck and hang my 28'
ladder on the hooks.

I attached some plywood to the bottom of the joists, sloped to form a
~1' "roof" over the ladder so that any water that drips through the
deck boards doesn't drip onto the ladder.

The ladder been stored that way for over 20 years.

[Andy]

On Oct 20, 8:42 am, Jules Richardson
<jules.richardsonnews...@gmail.com> ..

>
> Hmm, isn't the aim for most burglaries to get into the house unseen as
> quickly as possible - so entry via a lower window is preferable to
> fetching a ladder and going in via the top (assuming that the upper floor
> windows are closed, I suppose :-)
>
> cheers
>
> Jules

Andy comments:

Perhaps he is getting burgled by a midget ... :>)))))

Andy in Eureka, Texas

[Eddie]

"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:oAVnq.6097$Po7....@newsfe12.iad...

Same here.

[Andy]

Andy replies:

I leave mine outside and , after many years, have noticed no
deterioration in the metal.... HOWEVER, I use mine mostly for
cleaning out gutters, and have some shag carpet duct taped
around the top 2 feet so it won't scratch the gutter that U
set it against..... That deteriorates.... I am considering just
making some carpet "sleeves" that I can slip on an off.....
Just an idea...
Maybe some innovative inventor will make a product like that
and get rich ....

Andy in Eureka, Texas

[TomC]

dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlcjoojhcmp5niidkegt@
4ax.com:

I keep a 28' ladder in my garage along a wall. I stack 2 cinder blocks
under both ends, lay the ladder down flat on them and cover with a couple
of long boards. Makes for a great storage shelf! Downside is you have to
empty the shelf to use the ladder.
TomC

[gpsman]

On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> just leave it under the deck in the backyard?

Depends on the wind. Crackheads around here can smell unsecured
aluminum of that weight for hundreds of... yards.
-----

- gpsman

[Steve B]

"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlc...@4ax.com...

I leave all three of mine outdoors. Other than the rope rotting, and the
plastic on the pulleys if there are plastic pulleys, they wear well. I
would just place them somewhere they are somewhat protected, and you don't
have to dig through the snow to get at it.

Steve

[tra...@optonline.net]

Same here. I keep it under part of the house eaves.
Been doing it for 15 years. The only concern I have is
that while the ladder is aluminum, the two bolts that
connect the latching part to the ladder are steel and
have rust on them. Probably not a big deal, as they
still appear to be intact and the rust probably is just
on the surface. Still, I do think about it when I'm on
the ladder.....

The rope deteriorated, but that's easily replaced. If
storing under a deck, I'd find some concrete blocks
or similar to keep it off the ground.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <fvWnq.104907$u15....@news.usenetserver.com>,

I would agree with everything except that part about putting where
you don't have to dig it out of the snow. I would want it exactly where
I would have to dig it out of the snow. I can't think of a reason why I
would want to get on a ladder when it is that cold out, so any excuse I
can use is a good one (g)>

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 10:40 am, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
wrote:

Hmmm...the time to think about those bolts is *before* you're on the
ladder.

But you knew that, didn't you? ;-)

[DerbyDad03]

Why not screw some shelf brackets into the studs and hang the ladder
on the wall?

With a few more cinder blocks you could keep the shelf on the floor,
but you wouldn't have to move anything to use the ladder.

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 10:14 am, TomC <x...@xxx.com> wrote:

I used to hang my 28' on a wall in my garage until I bought a 10'
aluminum step ladder.

Now the step ladder is hanging in the garage and the 28' is hanging
under the deck, under a small "roof" overhang to keep it clean/dry.

No room on the garage floor due to storage on one side and the dogs'
crates and the freezer on the other.

BTW...I bought the 10' Werner (essentially brand new) on eBay for $60.
Brand new, the ladder sells for ~$180. It was pick-up only about 350
miles from my house, but less than 30 miles from my Mom's house. I
paid the guy via eBay and he agreed to hold it for a month until I
went to visit Mom for Christmas.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

I hang my ladders from the garage ceiling. I built boxes over the door to
hold the feet, then mounted 2x4s across the ceiling, with eye hooks in them. I
then hook ropes with doggy clips tied to the ends across the ladders to keep
them against the ceiling (and the feet planted in the boxes). A rope and
pulley makes them easy to put away.

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 11:34 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

That's a pretty good idea.

I used to have one of those red folding trailers for which I made some
nice looking sides. I used to store the sides in much the same way
(above the garage door) by hanging them flat against the ceiling with
bungee cords and eye hooks. A step ladder was all I needed to get them
up and down.

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:55:32 -0700, Andy wrote:

> On Oct 20, 7:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>> problems?
>
> Andy replies:
>
> I leave mine outside and , after many years, have noticed no
> deterioration in the metal.... HOWEVER, I use mine mostly for cleaning
> out gutters, and have some shag carpet duct taped around the top 2 feet
> so it won't scratch the gutter that U set it against..... That
> deteriorates.... I am considering just making some carpet "sleeves" that
> I can slip on an off.....

You can get rubber 'boots' that slip over the ends of the ladder for just
that purpose (although I suppose, being at the top, they should be called
gloves :-)

I normally just tie some cloth or something around the ends as/when
needed, though.

Both of my ladders just live in one of my open vehicle sheds, so they're
covered, but still exposed to damp air (but I need to be careful where I
put them as the front half of the sheds fill up with snow over winter).
Putting some hanging hooks on the back wall has been on the to-do list
for more months than I care to think about ;)

cheers

Jules

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, Jules Richardson

> Jules- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just curious...

"my open vehicle sheds" vs. "the back wall"

Does "open" mean 3 sided - i.e. just no door?

[Eddie]

"Jules Richardson" <jules.richa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j7pihc$krs$3...@dont-email.me...

> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:55:32 -0700, Andy wrote:
>
>> On Oct 20, 7:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>>> problems?
>>
>> Andy replies:
>>
>> I leave mine outside and , after many years, have noticed no
>> deterioration in the metal.... HOWEVER, I use mine mostly for cleaning
>> out gutters, and have some shag carpet duct taped around the top 2 feet
>> so it won't scratch the gutter that U set it against..... That
>> deteriorates.... I am considering just making some carpet "sleeves" that
>> I can slip on an off.....
>
> You can get rubber 'boots' that slip over the ends of the ladder for just
> that purpose (although I suppose, being at the top, they should be called
> gloves :-)
>
> I normally just tie some cloth or something around the ends as/when
> needed, though.

> Jules

The boots are for if the ends are leaning against the structure. You should
always have the rungs _above_ the gutter if cleaning gutters. Having the
end of the ladder against the gutter, is a disaster waiting to happen. In
other words, the boots are pretty much useless when cleaning gutters.

[Steve B]

"DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote

Just curious...

"my open vehicle sheds" vs. "the back wall"

Does "open" mean 3 sided - i.e. just no door?

You might be a redneck if ..............

[chaniarts]

On 10/20/2011 7:50 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article<fvWnq.104907$u15....@news.usenetserver.com>,
> "Steve B"<pittma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "dgk"<d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlc...@4ax.com...
>>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>>> problems?
>>
>> I leave all three of mine outdoors. Other than the rope rotting, and the
>> plastic on the pulleys if there are plastic pulleys, they wear well. I
>> would just place them somewhere they are somewhat protected, and you don't
>> have to dig through the snow to get at it.
>>
> I would agree with everything except that part about putting where
> you don't have to dig it out of the snow. I would want it exactly where
> I would have to dig it out of the snow. I can't think of a reason why I
> would want to get on a ladder when it is that cold out, so any excuse I
> can use is a good one (g)>
>

winter storm blowing a hole in the roof that you want to cover?

hanging the xmas lights at last minute, or taking them down in jan?

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Not much sunlight under MY deck - don't know about yours.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Chain it to the deck support with a padlock.

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 1:56 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:59:14 -0400, Frank
>

Obviously you need a higher deck.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

A hoop of EMT on the top that rests on the roof keeps the ladder off
the gutter. A carpeded wooden box tht slides onto the top of the
ladder and bungies to the top rung protects the siding when I need to
put the ladder against the wall

[Andy]

On Oct 20, 1:01 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>
> A hoop of EMT on the top that rests on the roof keeps the ladder off
> the gutter. A carpeded wooden box tht slides onto the top of the
> ladder and bungies to the top rung protects the siding when I need to
> put the ladder against the wall

Andy comments

That is a damn good idea. Thanks for posting it...
I'm gonna definitelly give that idea a try

Maybe a cardboard box to slip over the ends instead
of the carpeted wood box...... I'll figure it out.... The
local Moslem liquor store throws them out every day of
about the right shape....

You are a genius !!!

:>)))) Andy in Eureka, Texas PE

PS The comment someone made about the ladder being
higher than the gutter, for safety, is a very good one.....

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 1:08 pm, "Eddie" <g...@away.com> wrote:
> "Jules Richardson" <jules.richardsonnews...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> other words, the boots are pretty much useless when cleaning gutters.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

After a little bit of practice you can uses a 28' ladder to hammer the
gutter spikes back in if they pop out as you move the ladder along the
gutter.

DAMHIKT

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:24:20 -0700, Steve B wrote:

> "DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote
>
> Just curious...
>
> "my open vehicle sheds" vs. "the back wall"
>
> Does "open" mean 3 sided - i.e. just no door?

Yeah, that's the critter :-) We're on an old farm and have a couple out
back which will take two (large) vehicles each (plus a big enclosed
garage nearer to the house, so the sheds mostly get used for random
storage).

Maybe there's a better term for them (I'm an ex-Brit and we would have
called them 'open' there, even though they have walls on 3 sides, but I
suppose that doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense!)

cheers

Jules

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 3:42 pm, Jules Richardson

<jules.richardsonnews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:24:20 -0700, Steve B wrote:

> > "DerbyDad03" <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote

>
> > Just curious...
>
> > "my open vehicle sheds" vs. "the back wall"
>
> > Does "open" mean 3 sided - i.e. just no door?
>
> Yeah, that's the critter :-) We're on an old farm and have a couple out
> back which will take two (large) vehicles each (plus a big enclosed
> garage nearer to the house, so the sheds mostly get used for random
> storage).
>
> Maybe there's a better term for them (I'm an ex-Brit and we would have
> called them 'open' there, even though they have walls on 3 sides, but I
> suppose that doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense!)
>
> cheers
>
> Jules

In the states we have an extremely technical term for that type of
building:

We call it "a shed without a door". ;-)

[Evan]

On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> problems?

As long as you take precautions so that only you can use the ladder,
like storing it in a way such as described by DerbyDad03 but adding
a set of chains and padlocks to secure it so that only you can use
it...

Burglars would love access to a ladder, there are many places on
a house where with a simple screwdriver you can gain access to
a man sized opening if you have a vented attic... Also many people
often forget to lock windows on upper floors assuming that no one
would ever be able to climb up that high to make use of them...

But you could just install those hangers inside your garage and
keep your ladder up and out of the way inside where you won't
have to worry about it being exposed to the elements or being
something easily accessible to burglars...

~~ Evan

[Fatter Than Ever Moe]

dgk wrote:
> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> problems?

I put a couple of large screws into the back of the house and that's
where the extension ladder hangs. Makes nice shelves until I need the
ladder, maybe once every two or three years. Plenty good enough for the
gals I go with. Main problem I have with that ladder is neighbors
wanting to borrow it.

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 20, 2:29 pm, Evan <evan.news.re...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> > to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> > just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> > shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> > will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> > problems?
>
> As long as you take precautions so that only you can use the ladder,
> like storing it in a way such as described by DerbyDad03 but adding
> a set of chains and padlocks to secure it so that only you can use
> it...
...
> Burglars would love access to a ladder, there are many places on
> a house where with a simple screwdriver you can gain access to
> a man sized opening if you have a vented attic...  Also many people
> often forget to lock windows on upper floors assuming that no one
> would ever be able to climb up that high to make use of them...

If a burglar wants to go through the trouble to go under my deck,
wrestle the ladder out, prop it up against the house, extend it and
climb it so he can start checking windows to see if he can find one
that is unlocked, all the more power to him.

After a decade or so of having the ladder hanging under my deck, I'm
not about to start chaining it up.

> But you could just install those hangers inside your garage and
> keep your ladder up and out of the way inside where you won't
> have to worry about it being exposed to the elements or being
> something easily accessible to burglars...

You are assuming that there is room on the walls for the ladder. My
ladder was moved outside because I need the wall space for items that
belong in the garage.

[Eddie]

"Andy" <jungl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f9976a3-5bf9-4bd4...@v1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 20, 7:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>> problems?
>

> Andy replies:
>
> I leave mine outside and , after many years, have noticed no
> deterioration in the metal.... HOWEVER, I use mine mostly for
> cleaning out gutters, and have some shag carpet duct taped
> around the top 2 feet so it won't scratch the gutter that U
> set it against..... That deteriorates.... I am considering just
> making some carpet "sleeves" that I can slip on an off.....

> Just an idea...
> Maybe some innovative inventor will make a product like that
> and get rich ....
>
> Andy in Eureka, Texas

Might want to try rubber pipe insulation. It's cheap enough & already split
for slipping over the ladder.

I used it for protection on my aluminum ladder rack, which is over my truck
cap. I used to haul aluminum ladders, and with the aluminum rubbing the
aluminum rack, the rack starting wearing. Didn't any more after I put the
pipe insulation on.
Similar to this:
http://www.homedepot.com/Plumbing-Pipe-Insulation/h_d1/N-buy9Z5yc1v/R-100585113/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:48:23 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> In the states we have an extremely technical term for that type of
> building:
>
> We call it "a shed without a door". ;-)

ha ha! :-) Filed away for future reference... ;)

[Stormin Mormon]

Myself, and other contractors store ladders on the roof of
the van all year. The dogs corrode, and need to be sprayed
with PB Blaster before use. Springs rot out. But, overall,
the ladders survive some how.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

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[TomC]

DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:cf3e068e-5569-4e57...@a12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 20, 10:14 am, TomC <x...@xxx.com> wrote:
>> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlcjoojhcmp5niidkegt
> @
>> 4ax.com:
>>
>

> Why not screw some shelf brackets into the studs and hang the ladder
> on the wall?

Çinder block wall with propane and ac lines along it.

> With a few more cinder blocks you could keep the shelf on the floor,
> but you wouldn't have to move anything to use the ladder.

With the end stacked blocks (32" high) under each end, I have open storage
underneath the ladder. Lots of light weight stuff on top and heavy stuff
underneath. And, having only to use it once every other year is not a big
problem; the area needs a good sweeping by then anyway.

[aemeijers]

I always heard them called tractor sheds.

Much like carports, really, since the walls usually don't go down to
grade level.

--
aem sends....

[Frank]

Didn't think of low deck. Mine's 10 ft, enough to grow stuff in pots on
patio below ;)

[dgk]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>> problems?
>

>The bottom of my deck joists are just under 6' above the ground, so I
>can walk underneath it.
>
>I screwed brackets to the block wall under the deck and hang my 28'
>ladder on the hooks.
>
>I attached some plywood to the bottom of the joists, sloped to form a
>~1' "roof" over the ladder so that any water that drips through the
>deck boards doesn't drip onto the ladder.
>
>The ladder been stored that way for over 20 years.

That's a much better idea than just leaving it on the ground. I can
probably manage that.

[dgk]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:18:27 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard?
>

>Depends on the wind. Crackheads around here can smell unsecured
>aluminum of that weight for hundreds of... yards.
> -----
>
>- gpsman

Someone earlier suggested locking the ladder to a deck post so it
can't be used to break into the house. The lock should solve both
problems I hope.

[dgk]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:34:00 -0500, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:51:04 -0400, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>>I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>>to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I

>>just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>>shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>>will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>>problems?
>

>I hang my ladders from the garage ceiling. I built boxes over the door to
>hold the feet, then mounted 2x4s across the ceiling, with eye hooks in them. I
>then hook ropes with doggy clips tied to the ends across the ladders to keep
>them against the ceiling (and the feet planted in the boxes). A rope and
>pulley makes them easy to put away.

I thought of that but I'd have to redo the garage door opener to leave
enough room and I don't even know if that's possible. There really is
no way to hang it on the wall or ceiling that doesn't interfere with
something else.

[HeyBub]

Andy wrote:

> On Oct 20, 7:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
>> problems?
>

> Andy replies:
>
> I leave mine outside and , after many years, have noticed no
> deterioration in the metal.... HOWEVER, I use mine mostly for
> cleaning out gutters, and have some shag carpet duct taped
> around the top 2 feet so it won't scratch the gutter that U
> set it against..... That deteriorates.... I am considering just
> making some carpet "sleeves" that I can slip on an off.....
> Just an idea...
> Maybe some innovative inventor will make a product like that
> and get rich ....

Fiberglass ladder?

[dgk]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:18:46 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Myself, and other contractors store ladders on the roof of
>the van all year. The dogs corrode, and need to be sprayed
>with PB Blaster before use. Springs rot out. But, overall,
>the ladders survive some how.

Thanks, I didn't know about PB Blaster. Seems useful.

[gregz]

dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> problems?

I have a rope. Luckily it's black. The main problem is steel parts on
bottom of base. I threw parts of all aluminum ladder outside 6 years ago,
still ok.

Greg

[Harry K]

On Oct 20, 7:14 am, TomC <x...@xxx.com> wrote:
> dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlcjoojhcmp5niidkegt@
> 4ax.com:
>

> > I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> > to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> > just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> > shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> > will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> > problems?
>

> I keep a  28' ladder in my garage along a wall. I stack 2 cinder blocks
> under both ends, lay the ladder down flat on them and cover with a couple
> of long boards. Makes for a great storage shelf! Downside is you have to
> empty the shelf to use the ladder.
> TomC

Yep. I used to keep mine inside the garage hanging on the wall.
Problem was other stuff got hung on top of the ladder, etc. Finally
decided hanging under the eaves behind the garage was much saner.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Oct 20, 12:42 pm, Jules Richardson

<jules.richardsonnews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:24:20 -0700, Steve B wrote:

> > "DerbyDad03" <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote

>
> > Just curious...
>
> > "my open vehicle sheds" vs. "the back wall"
>
> > Does "open" mean 3 sided - i.e. just no door?
>
> Yeah, that's the critter :-) We're on an old farm and have a couple out
> back which will take two (large) vehicles each (plus a big enclosed
> garage nearer to the house, so the sheds mostly get used for random
> storage).
>
> Maybe there's a better term for them (I'm an ex-Brit and we would have
> called them 'open' there, even though they have walls on 3 sides, but I
> suppose that doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense!)
>
> cheers
>
> Jules

Made perfect sense to me and I'm just an old farm boy from the
mountains of Idaho.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Oct 20, 10:52 am, chaniarts <chania...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 10/20/2011 7:50 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article<fvWnq.104907$u15.10...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> >   "Steve B"<pittmanpir...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> "dgk"<d...@somewhere.com>  wrote in message
> >>news:p460a7t3rkbe2qdlc...@4ax.com...

> >>> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> >>> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> >>> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> >>> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> >>> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> >>> problems?
>

> >> I leave all three of mine outdoors.  Other than the rope rotting, and the
> >> plastic on the pulleys if there are plastic pulleys, they wear well.  I
> >> would just place them somewhere they are somewhat protected, and you don't
> >> have to dig through the snow to get at it.
>
> >       I would agree with everything except that part about putting where
> > you don't have to dig it out of the snow. I would want it exactly where
> > I would have to dig it out of the snow. I can't think of a reason why I
> > would want to get on a ladder when it is that cold out, so any excuse I
> > can use is a good one (g)>
>
> winter storm blowing a hole in the roof that you want to cover?
>
> hanging the xmas lights at last minute, or taking them down in jan?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Taking them donw in January??? I figure just _turning them off_ in
January is enough of a hassle. As for taking them down? What a weird
concept. :)

Harry K

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Your door must be really close to the ceiling. My ladders are stored parallel
to the opener track (ladder feet fit into boxes over the door opening), so
don't interfere with the opener at all.

No room on the ceiling beside the overhead door? Must be a small garage.

[Harry K]

The burglars I know (worked jail for 15 years) are too lazy to go to
all that work.

I can't picture a "vented opening" that can be removed by a
screwdriver. Given a screwdriver and the choice of breaking/forcing a
bottom floor window or working on a ladder...

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Oct 20, 6:43 am, Tony Hwang <drago...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> dgk wrote:
> > I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> > to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> > just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> > shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> > will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> > problems?
>

> Hi,
> I have been doing it for years for my 32 feet ext. ladder, I hang it
> under the eve. of tool shed when not in use.

Same here. Out of the way, easy to hang, easy to retrieve and mostly
out of the weather.

Harry K

[chaniarts]

jan 2 is takedown day at my house. of course, i do have to usually take
off my jacket and do work up a sweat since it's usually 75-80F that day.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:35:01 -0400, aemeijers <aeme...@att.net>
wrote:

Around here even the "driving shed" or "drive-in shed" has doors.
Otherwize you'd need to dig out the tractor before you could use it to
blow out the lane.

[Jules Richardson]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:04:06 -0700, chaniarts wrote:
> jan 2 is takedown day at my house. of course, i do have to usually take
> off my jacket and do work up a sweat since it's usually 75-80F that day.

Huh, it's usually 100 degrees less here at that time of year :-)

[JIMMIE]

On Oct 20, 8:51 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:

> I have an aluminum extension ladder that I use every other year or so
> to get on the roof, otherwise it takes up space in the garage. Can I
> just leave it under the deck in the backyard? It will get wet but
> shouldn't rust although I guess the rope that operates the extension
> will rot and need to be replaced. Will the mechanism itself develop
> problems?

Mine has been outside for years, at least 15 years. Rope is black
poyethelene Dacron@, other rope may not hold up as well in the sun but
sythetic rope out of the sun beneath a deck should hold up fine.

[Harry K]

On Oct 21, 7:43 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

> No room on the ceiling beside the overhead door? Must be a small garage.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a double car garage with the same problem, i.e. no room above
it. Dunno why they built one back in the 50s with a (barely) 7'
ceiling.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Oct 21, 12:12 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:35:01 -0400, aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net>

> blow out the lane.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Around here they are positioned with the open side downwind of the
prevailing. They used to be seen at almost every farmstead, now only
at old ones. My woodshed is built on that pattern, open on N side,
"eyebrow" over it. Never have more than a skift of snow on the
exposed face of the wood and I have had to dig a path through 2' of
snow to get to the shed.

Harry K

[Evan]

@Harry K:

Well then I propose that the burglars you met in your jail weren't
really all that good at doing burglaries then...

You would be surprised at what the real good burglars do and use
and put back the way they found it before leaving... The sort where
the victims don't even know they were burglarized until they go
looking for something that isn't where they left it anymore...

Also, breaking a window on an upper floor which overlooks a roof
would leave no glass on the ground and most people who are nosy
won't look _up_ to check on something... So if you want to discuss
amateur hour, you are right with the laziness, but if you are talking
about the real burglars that actually get away with their crimes,
maybe you have a few things to learn...

~~ Evan

[Andy]

Andycomments:

You speak as a person who has inside knowledge of the
practice. I probably should report you to the police, but I
can't seem to find any of my cellphones....... :>))))))

Andy in Eureka, Texas

[Harry K]

>                          Andy in Eureka, Texas- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

You probably left that ladder propped up on the house :)

Harry K

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT), Harry K <turnk...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Your garage is only 16' wide? Most are at least 20', so there should be space
to hang a ladder outside the tracks. Even if the ladder is hung "on edge", it
should free the (valuable) wall space.

Yeah, 7' ceilings are a PITA. I had to do that with my first house, or move a
couple of windows. My previous house had about 4' above the door (to the
rafters - not finished) and my current garage has 10' ceilings, though there
is only ~12" clearance over the door. The ladders have to be strapped pretty
tightly against the ceiling.

[dgk]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:43:45 -0500, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

Small house, one of those 18' attached-on-both-side jobs. Adequate for
me though, and much better than having an apartment. Except that I
have to fix everything myself. I'm going to use that ladder to go up
on the roof next weekend and have a look at what's leaking.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Yeow. That's not really a 2-car garage. You can only park one. ...and get
out of it. ;-)

[Eric b]

They sell the protecters for ladders to protect your siding/gutters

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