Do they make a tool to clean up threads on a garden hose?
Brent
thick and strong.
Do they make a relatively inexpensive (as compared to the hose) tool to
clean up those threads?
The problem is this is a one-time use only and I asked at Orchard Supply
who said they don't make such a "thread chaser" for garden hose threads.
They had "thread files" for regular SAE threads, but not garden hoses.
They have taps and dies for pipes, but it would be cheaper ($50 per hose)
to buy another good-quality 3/4" all-rubber hose than to buy an expensive
tap & die even if it were made (which OSH says is not).
What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
garden hose threads?
chaniarts
a brass hose nozzle
jeff_wisnia
A small triangular file, about 1/8" on a side.
Jeff
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
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but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
On 8/4/2010 1:11 PM, Brent wrote:
> Both ends of my garden hoses are kind of beaten up but the brass is still
> thick and strong.
>
> Do they make a relatively inexpensive (as compared to the hose) tool to
> clean up those threads?
>
> The problem is this is a one-time use only and I asked at Orchard Supply
> who said they don't make such a "thread chaser" for garden hose threads.
>
> They had "thread files" for regular SAE threads, but not garden hoses.
>
> They have taps and dies for pipes, but it would be cheaper ($50 per hose)
> to buy another good-quality 3/4" all-rubber hose than to buy an expensive
> tap& die even if it were made (which OSH says is not).
Roy
==
I just use a battery post cleaner...you know, the pointy end for the
battery clamps. If that is too harsh a fine emery cloth in folds can
follow the threads. In all cases don't use too much pressure to
prevent deep scratches especially with the battery brush.
==
dpb
Would depend largely on just how badly they're beat up; don't know why
would be such, particularly the spigot connection (female) end.
Any thin file or hone would let you touch up external threads; interior
would take some finagling, depending again on what/where the damage is.
I'd look for solid taps/dies on places like eBay or CL; one can find old
Craftsman or other brand stuff on occasion that comes from estates or
other similar sources for not too much sometimes. I've not looked; it
might even be possible to find some really cheap HF or similar import
stuff that would be adequate for the purpose.
Alternatively, use some regular steel fittings to see if they'll chase
the brass; it being somewhat softer. Some coarse grit compound could
help maybe.
I've got a full-range set of pipe dies up to 2" in an inherited set of
Craftsman from grandfather that date back to 30's and taps to 1" similar
age. Found a Ridgid adjustable on eBay reasonable a couple years ago
for 1" - 2-1/2" so haven't worried about looking recently.
--
Pete C.
If they are machined brass couplings, you can clean them up with a file.
If they are the much more common rolled brass couplings filing won't
work since the material is too thin. Normally the best route is to
purchase quality replacement fittings, cut the old ones off the hose and
install the new ones.
dpb
> Brent wrote:
...
>> What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
>> garden hose threads?
>
> a brass hose nozzle
Seems to me a regular set of black or galvanized fittings would help
more given they're harder than the brass...
--
Jim Elbrecht
>Both ends of my garden hoses are kind of beaten up but the brass is still
>thick and strong.
>
>Do they make a relatively inexpensive (as compared to the hose) tool to
>clean up those threads?
>
I like these-
Gilmour zinc hose menders- $4-6
http://www.deerso.net/Gilmour-Group-01FZDIB-Do-it-Best/M/B000CSYN1M.htm
never dealt with deerso, just the first link I found
>The problem is this is a one-time use only and I asked at Orchard Supply
>who said they don't make such a "thread chaser" for garden hose threads.
It is 3/4 pipe so taps & dies will do it--
Jim
jamesgangnc
You can get thread files. I have a couple. They are square and have
a different thread on each side and one each end making 8 different
threads on the file.
dpb
Ignore...hose threads aren't NPT... <...slaps self...>
--
dpb
...
> Any thin file or hone would let you touch up external threads; interior
> would take some finagling, depending again on what/where the damage is.
>
> I'd look for solid taps/dies on places like eBay or CL; ...
Ignore...hose thread isn't NPT. <...slaps self...>
--
DerbyDad03
Address.invalid> wrote:
Any reason you don't want to replace the ends?
They have cheap ones and they have goods ones, but even the good ones
are cheaper than new hose.
Just curious...
jamesgangnc
>
> - Show quoted text -
jeff_wisnia
How can you say that Jim?
3/4" NPT pipe threads are 14 TPI and tapered.
US GHT (Garden Hose Thread) is 11.5 TPI and straight.
Jim Elbrecht
>Jim Elbrecht wrote:
-snip-
>>
>> It is 3/4 pipe so taps & dies will do it--
>>
>> Jim
>
>How can you say that Jim?
>
>3/4" NPT pipe threads are 14 TPI and tapered.
>
>US GHT (Garden Hose Thread) is 11.5 TPI and straight.
Apparent brain fart? I can remember looking for *some* fitting for
a particular purpose & asking my hardware guy where he was hiding
them. "You can use 3/4 pipe" he said--- and it worked.
Now if I could only remember what *that* was.<g>
Jim
Steve B
"Brent" <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
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Get a set of Nicholson locksmith files, and clean them up manually. Aren't
those 3/4" standard threads that would clean up with a run through in a die?
I guess it would depend on how boogered up they are, and if the opening was
out of round. That's fairly soft stuff, and should clean up easily.
Fergeddabout those little flimsy cheapy sheet metal hose connectors. Even
plastic is better than those.
Steve
visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com
Steve B
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> Hardware stores all carry replacement ends .. price varies with quality,
> but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
Most are a POS, and not much better than the boogered one on there. I
personally like the plastic ones than the thin metal ones, and I have yet to
see good heavy brass repair ends.
DerbyDad03
> ""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <b.wing...@charter.net> wrote in messagenews:rhh6o.53358$dx7....@newsfe21.iad...
>
> > Hardware stores all carry replacement ends .. price varies with quality,
> > but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
>
> Most are a POS, and not much better than the boogered one on there. I
> personally like the plastic ones than the thin metal ones, and I have yet to
> see good heavy brass repair ends.
>
> Steve
>
> visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com
re: "I have yet to see good heavy brass repair ends"
These choices all *look* good, but who knows.
http://www.gilmour.com/Watering/Hose-End/Hose-Repair/Zinc-Menders/Brass-Couplers.aspx
http://www.horseloverz.com/Female-coupling-hose-Repair---Brass---58-Inch-pr-310619.html
tn...@mucks.net
If you want to fix it cheaply just find or borrow any 12 thread per
inch tap. Use it as if it was a internal or external thread file.
Larry W
Brent <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
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>What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
>garden hose threads?
A small 3-corner file will do it.
--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
h
"Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
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> In article <c2a99311fa347ac4...@tioat.net>,
> Brent <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
> <...snipped...>
>>What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
>>garden hose threads?
>
> A small 3-corner file will do it.
> --
Jim Elbrecht
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>On Aug 4, 4:12 pm, "Steve B" <pittmanpir...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <b.wing...@charter.net> wrote in messagenews:rhh6o.53358$dx7....@newsfe21.iad...
>>
>> > Hardware stores all carry replacement ends .. price varies with quality,
>> > but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
>>
>> Most are a POS, and not much better than the boogered one on there. I
>> personally like the plastic ones than the thin metal ones, and I have yet to
>> see good heavy brass repair ends.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com
>
>re: "I have yet to see good heavy brass repair ends"
>
>These choices all *look* good, but who knows.
>
>http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft1_lawn_garden-ft1_lawn_garden_hoses-ft1_garden_hose_fittings_couplers;pg103384.html
I've tried those. If your hose-walls are exactly the right thickness
they work good for a while & are easy to tighten or reuse.
>
>http://www.gilmour.com/Watering/Hose-End/Hose-Repair/Zinc-Menders/Brass-Couplers.aspx
They *are* the ones-- better than factory on a wide range of hoses.
>
>http://www.horseloverz.com/Female-coupling-hose-Repair---Brass---58-Inch-pr-310619.html
Those also rely on the thickness of the hose wall. I haven't had good
luck with them.
Jim
Brent
> Ignore...hose thread isn't NPT. <...slaps self...>
Exactly. They don't seem to MAKE a hose-thread tap and die ... and even if
they did, it would cost more than the hose (which is about $50 for a decent
hose).
But maybe a thread chaser would work if I can find one in the right hose
thread and pitch (whatever that is for a garden hose).
Brent
> I just use a battery post cleaner...
Interesting idea. I didn't mention it, but, a lot of the "crud" on the hose
is just caked on deposits ... so maybe the battery post cleaner will work.
However, some is dinged up brass, in which case I'll need to reshape the
threads with some kind of thread chaser.
Although I did look at the suggested replacement ends which is a different
approach ... i.e., instead of fixing them, just replace them.
Brent
> If they are machined brass couplings, you can clean them up with a file.
> If they are the much more common rolled brass couplings filing won't
> work since the material is too thin.
I buy the best hose I can find.
a. Long (100 feet if possible)
b. Rubber (no vinyl!)
c. 3/4 inch ID
d. SOLID brass fittings
I hate those shiny plated rolled metal fitings; step on them once or drive
over them once and they're crushed. The hoses I buy you could drive over
with a truck and they'd still be ok.
But, brass is brass. It gets caked up and dinged like crazy. The hose is in
good shape but the ends are banged up (I'm rough on 'em, dragging them
about all the time).
I think the ideas proposed so far are:
a) Triangular file for the male (female is tougher)
b) Battery post wire brush
c) Replace the end altogether
Brent
> 3/4" NPT pipe threads are 14 TPI and tapered.
> US GHT (Garden Hose Thread) is 11.5 TPI and straight.
I can rent (for free when you return it) a set of thread files from
AutoZone but I wonder if they'll have a 11.5 threads per inch size?
I doubt it ... but I'll ask them now that I know the thread pitch!
Brent
> You can get thread files. I have a couple. They are square and have
> a different thread on each side and one each end making 8 different
> threads on the file.
Does your thread file set have the pitch for a garden hose?
- US GHT (Garden Hose Thread) is 11.5 TPI and straight.
Brent
> http://www.cicle.org/wordpress/wp-content/files2.jpg
AutoZone will rent these thread files for free (once returned).
But, I doubt they have 11.5 threads per inch, no taper.
But I'll check just in case as a thread file for GHT (garden hose thread)
would be the perfect reusable solution ... if it exists!
Brent
> those 3/4" standard threads would clean up with a run through in a die?
Either a tap/die or a thread file would work fine. The problem is finding a
tap/die or thread file in GHT (garden hose thread) with 11.5 TPI (threads
per inch).
I can't find that.
Of course, I could just cut them off and replace them; but the whole point
of buying solid brass fittings is long life and it's a shame to waste them
for want of cleaning up the threads.
Brent
> If you want to fix it cheaply just find or borrow any 12 thread per
> inch tap. Use it as if it was a internal or external thread file.
Previous posters said it's 11.5 TPI so one problem is finding the right
size.
Do you know of any sources for 3/4" GHT at 11.5 TPI taps and dies?
Brent
>> A small 3-corner file will do it.
The threads are dinged up so the file might work; but the steel wool will
only remove the oxidation.
I was hoping to find a source for a GHT tap/die set or a thread file source
for the 11.5 TPI pitch.
jeff_wisnia
I don't think that the difference between 11.5 and 12 TPI would make
much of a difference when using the tap as a scraper, there's only a
short length of thread anyway.
Jeff (The guy who told you it was 11.5 TPI)
notbob
> The problem is this is a one-time use only and I asked at Orchard Supply
> who said they don't make such a "thread chaser" for garden hose threads.
> What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
> garden hose threads?
I'd cut off the old fittings and replace them with new ones. The guy
at OSH should have explained this, as they have about a half dozen
styles. Everything from cheapo plastic fittings that require only a
screw driver to more elaborate commercial types which require a tool
to crimp a permenent steel band around a barbed brass fitting. IOW,
if the hose is worth saving, toss the old fittings for new ones
...unless you want to hang the old ones on the wall in your den and
admire them.
nb
jeff_wisnia
Well you CAN buy a GHT tap here, if you're a zillionare and don't care
what you pay for things:
Jeff
Steve B
"Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote in message
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DKAY, but I have trouble finding the right fixit for the right wall
thickness. Most of the hoses I buy are either cheapies with the thin metal
ends, or the really good thick ones with the hefty brass. The hefty ones
last, and I really haven't had to fix any. The wimpy thin ones are another
story. After they get pressurized a few times, they have to be redid.
Steve B
"Brent" <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Soaking overnight in common vinegar, then a toothbrush sized wire brush
works for removing that scale from stuff I clean.
Steve B
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Crikey! I wonder what they get for a die?
Brent
> Soaking overnight in common vinegar, then a toothbrush sized wire brush
> works for removing that scale from stuff I clean.
I understand that. It just might be lime 'crudding' up the threads that are
scaled (the dinged threads are another matter).
Thanks for that hint.
It seems a "thread chaser" specifically for garden hoses does not exist. :(
Brent
> I don't think that the difference between 11.5 and 12 TPI would make
> much of a difference
Assuming a garden hose is 3/4 inch and 11.5 TPI, and assuming a tap for 3/4
inch and 12 TPI would fix it ...
Is the consensus that a 3/4 inch tap and die with a 12 TPI pitch is
actually available on the market?
Brent
> I'd cut off the old fittings and replace them with new ones.
It looks like a tap and die don't exist at a reasonable price for 3/4 inch
diameter, 11.5 threads per inch or 12 threads per inch (i.e., less than say
$25 or $30 bucks).
It looks like a thread file doesn't even exist for 11.5 threads per inch or
for 12 threads per inch.
Therefore, if the threads are bent and worn, there is apparently no
(reasonable) way to clean them up except with a small triangular hand file.
There is no ready-made purpose-built solution other than to replace the
ends.
Bummer. I was hoping to find a reasonably priced tap and die or thread file
that fits the garden hose thread (GHT).
:(
tn...@mucks.net
See if you can find a 9/16 x 12 for both internal and external or a
1" x 12 for the external thread.
jamesgangnc
As it turns out the 2.00 section of my metric thread file is a perfect
fit for a hose end.
Steve B
"Brent" <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Shhhhhhhh! Get it together, and then submit it to the OMB for consideration
by "The Green Machine". Don't forget to set aside my 15%. And put that it
will save one million gallons of water a minute that's currently being
wasted. Don't know if that's accurate, but it sure sounds good, don't it?
We need to save the wasted water, by golly! It's an endless loop, but it
must be saved.
Brent
> the 2.00 section of my metric thread file is a perfect
> fit for a hose end.
I have SAE thread files. I'll see if I can find a set of metrics.
willshak
> Both ends of my garden hoses are kind of beaten up but the brass is still
> thick and strong.
>
> Do they make a relatively inexpensive (as compared to the hose) tool to
> clean up those threads?
>
> The problem is this is a one-time use only and I asked at Orchard Supply
> who said they don't make such a "thread chaser" for garden hose threads.
>
>
> They have taps and dies for pipes, but it would be cheaper ($50 per hose)
> to buy another good-quality 3/4" all-rubber hose than to buy an expensive
> tap & die even if it were made (which OSH says is not).
>
> What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
> garden hose threads?
>
Wire brush.
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Harry K
> ""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <b.wing...@charter.net> wrote in messagenews:rhh6o.53358$dx7....@newsfe21.iad...
>
> > Hardware stores all carry replacement ends .. price varies with quality,
> > but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
>
> Most are a POS, and not much better than the boogered one on there. I
> personally like the plastic ones than the thin metal ones, and I have yet to
> see good heavy brass repair ends.
>
> Steve
>
> visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com
I use the plastic ones all the time and have no problem with them.
Granted one of those on the end of a quality hose does look odd but...
Harry K
Harry K
> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbre...@email.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> > <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Aug 4, 4:12 pm, "Steve B" <pittmanpir...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> ""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <b.wing...@charter.net> wrote in
> >>> messagenews:rhh6o.53358$dx7....@newsfe21.iad...
>
> >>> > Hardware stores all carry replacement ends .. price varies with
> >>> > quality,
> >>> > but they all work. Just be sure to get the correct size for your hose.
>
> >>> Most are a POS, and not much better than the boogered one on there. I
> >>> personally like the plastic ones than the thin metal ones, and I have
> >>> yet to
> >>> see good heavy brass repair ends.
>
> >>> Steve
>
> >>> visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com
>
> >>re: "I have yet to see good heavy brass repair ends"
>
> >>These choices all *look* good, but who knows.
>
>
> > I've tried those. If your hose-walls are exactly the right thickness
> > they work good for a while & are easy to tighten or reuse.
>
>
> > They *are* the ones-- better than factory on a wide range of hoses.
>
>
> > Those also rely on the thickness of the hose wall. I haven't had good
> > luck with them.
>
> > Jim
>
> DKAY, but I have trouble finding the right fixit for the right wall
> thickness. Most of the hoses I buy are either cheapies with the thin metal
> ends, or the really good thick ones with the hefty brass. The hefty ones
> last, and I really haven't had to fix any. The wimpy thin ones are another
> story. After they get pressurized a few times, they have to be redid.
>
> Steve
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Odd. I have been using them for over 30 years and have nevery had to
"fix" any of them unless I boogered it up by cross threading. Never
had to tighten one either that was correctly applied originally.
Harry K
Brent
>> What would YOu use to clean up an old, but, still strong, solid brass
>> garden hose threads?
> Wire brush.
In summary, there is no specific cost-effective tool to clean up brass
garden hose threads.
Most people use a wire brush and/or a triangular file to clean up dirty
and/or buggered threads respectively.
There is a rather expensive $125 tap (http://tinyurl.com/2wv9x3t); but
nobody knows of a die for a garden hose thread (GHT ?).
Also, the tap seems to have a "plug" and a "bottom", whatever that means:
http://tinyurl.com/38od8p9
The problem in getting a tap and die (besides the cost) is that most people
seem to be wrong on the size, which seems to be (if I'm right):
Right Hand National Hose thread 3/4" at 11 1/2 TPI NH (but what is "bottom"
and "plug")?
Note: I'm not sure what the "NH" means nor what the "Bottom" means nor what
"GHT" is since it's not in the specifications and nobody else seems to know
much about the threads.
Smitty Two
Brent <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
Taps have a tapered starting end, so they cut only very shallow
incomplete threads at first, and after several rotations begin to cut to
full depth of thread. A plug tap has fewer tapered threads than a
standard "taper" tap, and a bottoming tap has fewer yet, for getting
closer to the bottom of a blind hole.
NH = National Hose
GHT = Garden Hose Tap
Twayne
Brent <beemd...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> typed:
Try automotive battery post cleaners; an inside/outside brush device. Works
well.
Nate Nagel
As a complete aside... a plumber's brush for cleaning up copper 1/2" and
3/4" pipes for soldering is also just the thing for cleaning your
typical automotive bulb sockets when they get rusty.
nate
(BTDT on more than one "barn car")
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