Craftsman RoboGrip Pliers
John Galbreath Jr.
Thomas Gauldin wrote:
>
> There is always a thread somewhere that bashes Sears for selling
> overpriced, faulty tools that are never as good as the ones they sold
> to Grandpa. I actually subscribe to much of that thought myself, but
> wanted to share my evaluation of one product that exceeded my
> expectations.
>
> Over the past holidays, I was presented with a large and small version
> of the RoboGrip pliers that Sears has marketed so heavily. These are
> the sefl-adjusting pliers that don't "lock" as their RoboLock pliers
> do. They are made of laminated steel that is rivited together and
> have an overall "odd" look and feel.
>
> Now that I've used them on and off over the past 8 months, I can
> honestly say that if I was to loose one of the pliers, I would drive
> straight to Sears and buy another replacement. They actually perform
> as advertised and are a wonderful supplement to any toolbox. The
> single-handed automatic adjustment to any size object works as
> advertiese, and they grip very well. In fact, I prefer to use them
> over the several sizes of "knuckle busters," (Crescent wrenches) that
> I have on my shop wall.
>
> The RoboGrip pliers are NOT intended to replace open ended and box
> ended wrenches, socket set or Channelock pliers, but are a darn good
> substitute to have when neither is readily available. Like any
> pliers, they can chew up a nut, where a good wrench doesn't. However,
> they're more likely to be around in a small tool kit, pickup truck
> tool box or boat when needed than a full set of wrenches.
>
> My next buy at Sears is going to be the RoboLock plier version. Any
> comments on those before I make the purchase?
>
> Tom
Tom. The RoboLocks are great also. You can grab a quarter sideways and
then flat without adjusting and have a lot of pressure either way. The
ONLY complaint I have on the RoboPliars (NON LOCKING) is that they stay
open in the tool box. I want everything neat and I think a locking
device should have been standard.
--
John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
Diablerie
John Galbreath Jr. wrote:
>
> ONLY complaint I have on the RoboPliars (NON LOCKING) is The that they stay
> open in the tool box. I want everything neat and I think a locking
> device should have been standard.
They do stay shut. Squeeze the handle fully together, apply slight
outside pressure to the jaws and release the handle--the tooth should
lock in place. If that doesn't work then go back to Sears and have one
of the guys show you how to do it...we all how.
XbenX
Brian
John Galbreath Jr. wrote:
>
> Thomas Gauldin wrote:
> >
> > My next buy at Sears is going to be the RoboLock plier version. Any
> > comments on those before I make the purchase?
> >
> > Tom
>
> Tom. The RoboLocks are great also. You can grab a quarter sideways and
> then flat without adjusting and have a lot of pressure either way. The
> open in the tool box. I want everything neat and I think a locking
> device should have been standard.
> John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
> ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
> Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
My comments:
The RoboGrips are great pliers, except for when you try grip an item
from the top (ie: in-line with the handle) their contruction allows them
to twist badly when trying to turn a screw/nut/etc in this position.
The RoboLocks are great also. I've been very happy with mine...
To sort of lock the robo grips you can do this:
Grip the pliers so that you have one hand on one grip, and the other
hand on the other grip. Push together and forward. You are trying to
make the ratchet part engage and click forward. When you move the
handles as close/forward as possible, release. If you did it right, the
pliers will stay locked in a 95% closed position. I do this with mine
before I hang them on my pegboard. Works great for me...
--
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What if there were no hypothetical situations?
Tim Moore
>> My next buy at Sears is going to be the RoboLock plier version. Any
comments on those before I make the purchase? <<
I agree - I like my RoboGrip's too. Let me know what you think about the
RoboLock.
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Barnhart
Thomas Gauldin wrote:
>
> There is always a thread somewhere that bashes Sears for selling
> overpriced, faulty tools that are never as good as the ones they sold
I received a pair for Father's Day and have no complaints, works as
advertised. Power tools are another matter though.
Barnhart
Thomas Gauldin
There is always a thread somewhere that bashes Sears for selling
overpriced, faulty tools that are never as good as the ones they sold
to Grandpa. I actually subscribe to much of that thought myself, but
wanted to share my evaluation of one product that exceeded my
expectations.
Over the past holidays, I was presented with a large and small version
of the RoboGrip pliers that Sears has marketed so heavily. These are
the sefl-adjusting pliers that don't "lock" as their RoboLock pliers
do. They are made of laminated steel that is rivited together and
have an overall "odd" look and feel.
Now that I've used them on and off over the past 8 months, I can
honestly say that if I was to loose one of the pliers, I would drive
straight to Sears and buy another replacement. They actually perform
as advertised and are a wonderful supplement to any toolbox. The
single-handed automatic adjustment to any size object works as
advertiese, and they grip very well. In fact, I prefer to use them
over the several sizes of "knuckle busters," (Crescent wrenches) that
I have on my shop wall.
The RoboGrip pliers are NOT intended to replace open ended and box
ended wrenches, socket set or Channelock pliers, but are a darn good
substitute to have when neither is readily available. Like any
pliers, they can chew up a nut, where a good wrench doesn't. However,
they're more likely to be around in a small tool kit, pickup truck
tool box or boat when needed than a full set of wrenches.
My next buy at Sears is going to be the RoboLock plier version. Any
comments on those before I make the purchase?
Tom
Matthew Dombroski
In article <33F34876...@karas.com>, Brian <br...@karas.com> wrote:
>John Galbreath Jr. wrote:
>>
>> Thomas Gauldin wrote:
>> >
> then flat without adjusting and have a lot of pressure either way. The
>> ONLY complaint I have on the RoboPliars (NON LOCKING) is that they stay
>> open in the tool box. I want everything neat and I think a locking
>> device should have been standard.
>> --
>> John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
>> ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
>> Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
>
>
>To sort of lock the robo grips you can do this:
>
The instructions to lock the pliars are on the box, grip the pliers closed
(semi-closed....almost closed, actually anywhere in between!) with one hand.
With your other hand, hold the pliars together firmly just below the
adjustable sliding point. Then release your first hand. They usually stay
together. Moreso on a wall than in the toolbox (at least my toolbox).
Matt D
Ted Trost
What's the difference between RoboGrip and RoboLock?
Is one better than the other or are they made for different situations?
If you could only buy one, which one?
How do they differ from Channelock pliers?
Thanks!
Ted.
George Jefferson
:Robo Lock are similar to Vise Grips but are self sizing, no more turning
:the screw to get a fit.
I suppose you cant adjust the pressure either(?).
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Craig Miller
Robo Lock are similar to Vise Grips but are self sizing, no more turning
Craig
cmi...@mnsinc.com
Ted Trost <tr...@winternet.com> wrote in article
<33F3A6C0...@winternet.com>...
Thomas Moorer
In article <33F330...@ABSCOFireplace.com>, "John Galbreath Jr." <mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com> writes:
|>
|> Tom. The RoboLocks are great also. You can grab a quarter sideways and
|> then flat without adjusting and have a lot of pressure either way. The
|> ONLY complaint I have on the RoboPliars (NON LOCKING) is that they stay
|> open in the tool box. I want everything neat and I think a locking
|> device should have been standard.
Try this. With the pliers in the closed position, squeeze the handles just ahead
of the plastic coating on the grips and then release. This should catch the pliers
in the almost closed position. Now, look for another complaint! :)
Christine Sanderson
Barnhart wrote:
>
> Thomas Gauldin wrote:
> >
> > There is always a thread somewhere that bashes Sears for selling
> > overpriced, faulty tools that are never as good as the ones they sold
>
> I received a pair for Father's Day and have no complaints, works as
> advertised. Power tools are another matter though.
>
> Barnhart
I bought a bunch of power tools from craftsman last october, I can
honestly say, I think they are great! How come nobody else seems to like
them? What are the problems you have experienced with them. I use the
Versa pack (battery powered) tools.
Chrisitne
Martin H. Eastburn
George Jefferson wrote:
>
> :Robo Lock are similar to Vise Grips but are self sizing, no more turning
> :the screw to get a fit.
gripping. This 'saws' on the work and bites in with a raking motion.
They do grip - and I suspect they will last some time. My wife has a
small
one in her 'my tools for the house' carry-all tray while I have a mixed
pair that hang over my bench.
I won't grip something that I don't want scratches on with it.
I'll grab them with my greenlee's and apply pressure as wanted.
Martin
Vic Dura
Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> wrote:
>I bought a bunch of power tools from craftsman last october, I can
>honestly say, I think they are great! How come nobody else seems to like
>them? What are the problems you have experienced with them. I use the
>Versa pack (battery powered) tools.
It depends on how much you use the tools. Craftsman power tools are
fine for "occasional" work around the house, although IMO they're
about 15% overpriced compared to other brands of the same quality.
However, if your typical home improvement projects are things like
building a deck, putting in a 500' driveway, building a barn or a
garage, Craftsman will be a disappointment.
--
Vic Dura (vpd...@hiwaay.net) DuraHaven, Rogersville AL 35652
Bill Rubin
Thomas Gauldin wrote:
>
> My next buy at Sears is going to be the RoboLock plier version. Any
> comments on those before I make the purchase?
I just wanted to mention that Sears is having an unadvertised sale on
all tools thru Wednesday the 20th, 20% off. It's part of their
"Craftsman Club" which is a free membership deal where you get coupons
and sale announcements thruout the year. I think you get a free
calendar, too. Most of the Craftsman Club sales are not publicly
advertised and you need the circular or your membership card to get the
discount. There's also a kid's club, I've been meaning to sign up my
kids. You can sign up in person at the store and get the discount, I am
sure.
Bill
Diablerie
Bill Rubin wrote:
> I just wanted to mention that Sears is having an unadvertised sale on
> all tools thru Wednesday the 20th, 20% off. It's part of their
> "Craftsman Club" which is a free membership deal where you get coupons
> and sale announcements thruout the year. I think you get a free
Okay...I want to clear this up before all you idiots start coming in and
whining to me about how you heard it was 20% off thru the 20th. Yes,
some tools are 20% off but don't expect to get that much on any power
tool (10%) or accessory (15%). Also, say that you want to sign up for
the CRAFTSMAN CLUB!!! I'm sick of all you people coming in and saying
"Isn't there a discount for a tool club or something..."
> Bill
Sick of working at Sears...
XbenX
Tim Gillespie
I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
idiots.
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Diablerie
Kevin Riutort wrote:
>
> > I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
> > see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
> > refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
> > idiots.
Okay...what I originally posted was just a rant. I was sick of dealing
with problems and complaints. I think people that buy power tools at
Sears are idiots because they obviously haven't done any research to
find out that Sears power tools are junk. I usually try to talk people
into buying the PC or Dewalt but they see the low low pricetag on the
"Craftsman" and jump on that. I personally would never buy ANY
Craftsman power tool again...the only thing worth getting are the Router
Bits and PC's are cheaper.
I do my job well and people that work with me are generally satisfied
customers...I'm just sick of the Craftsman Club thing.
I also don't appreciate being implicated as an idiot. Check out my
e-mail address...Macalester College. Do some research...find out how
smart you have to be to get in there.
Flame bait? Maybe.
XbenX
Tim Gillespie
Diablerie wrote:
> I also don't appreciate being implicated as an idiot. Check out my
> e-mail address...Macalester College. Do some research...find out how
> smart you have to be to get in there.
You can dish it out but not take it, eh?
> Flame bait? Maybe.
I ain't bitin'
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Tim Gillespie wrote:
> Diablerie wrote:
> >
> > Bill Rubin wrote:
> >
> I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
> see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
> refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
> idiots.
>
> --
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What's the problem? Sounds like a typical Sears sales guy to me!
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a rumor I heard somewhere....
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Tim Gillespie wrote:
> I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
> see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
> refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
> idiots.
>
> --
>
>
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Don Sterner
>Bill Rubin wrote:
>
>> I just wanted to mention that Sears is having an unadvertised sale on
>> all tools thru Wednesday the 20th, 20% off. It's part of their
>> "Craftsman Club" which is a free membership deal where you get coupons
>> and sale announcements thruout the year. I think you get a free
>
>Okay...I want to clear this up before all you idiots start coming in and
>whining to me about how you heard it was 20% off thru the 20th. Yes,
>some tools are 20% off but don't expect to get that much on any power
>tool (10%) or accessory (15%). Also, say that you want to sign up for
>the CRAFTSMAN CLUB!!! I'm sick of all you people coming in and saying
>"Isn't there a discount for a tool club or something..."
>
>> Bill
>
>Sick of working at Sears...
Well, I may be able to help with the problem you mentioned in
your last sentence. I'll send a copy of your post to the store
manager in Cedar Rapids. Hopefully, he can figure out which of
HIS idiots thinks all potential customers are idiots. You may
just find that he's just as sick of you as you are of your
customers.
Anything to help, Bill.
d.
Bill Rubin
Diablerie wrote:
> I think people that buy power tools at
> Sears are idiots because they obviously haven't done any research to
> find out that Sears power tools are junk. I usually try to talk people
> into buying the PC or Dewalt but they see the low low pricetag on the
> "Craftsman" and jump on that. I personally would never buy ANY
> Craftsman power tool again...the only thing worth getting are the Router
> Bits and PC's are cheaper.
>
> I do my job well and people that work with me are generally satisfied
> customers...I'm just sick of the Craftsman Club thing.
Well, I was the one who posted the stuff about the sale, and it was in
response to the robogrip pliers, and I do believe that non-power tools
are 20% off. This sale circular was rather difficult to comprehend, so I
can see that you'd be upset. I hope that you didn't get too many people
coming into your store after they saw my post and thought that all power
tools were on sale :-). The fact is, however, the these robo type pliers
do not generally go on sale, so 20% off is a great deal.
Bill (still haven't gotten to Sears.. maybe Tuesday)
Christine Sanderson
Hey, I bought some power tools at sears, and I like them. They do what I
want them to do, and they didn't break. I also know that I most likley
don't do as many "big" jobs as you guys seem to. I do little repair jobs
around my new house, and honestly, Im quite proud of what I have done. I
like craftsman power tools because they are lighter than the other ones,
and If I am going to spend 4 hours trying to hang up some cabinets, then,
in my opinion, the lighter the better! What Im getting at, is for the
person who is only doing small stuff, or for a person who is buying thier
first set of tools, the craftsman power tools are just fine. If I break
them, Id rather break a 20$ cordless screw driver, than a 50$ one. Keep
that in mind, before you show your customer's the higher quality, higher
price items. For what I do, the battery operated tools from craftsman
are perfect.
Christine Sanderson,
BTW, I bought craftsman tools, and am not now, and never will be an
idiot.
Diablerie wrote:
>
> Kevin Riutort wrote:
> >
> > > I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
> > > see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
> > > refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
> > > idiots.
>
> Okay...what I originally posted was just a rant. I was sick of dealing
> with problems and complaints. I think people that buy power tools at
> Sears are idiots because they obviously haven't done any research to
> find out that Sears power tools are junk. I usually try to talk people
> into buying the PC or Dewalt but they see the low low pricetag on the
> "Craftsman" and jump on that. I personally would never buy ANY
> Craftsman power tool again...the only thing worth getting are the Router
> Bits and PC's are cheaper.
>
> I do my job well and people that work with me are generally satisfied
> customers...I'm just sick of the Craftsman Club thing.
>
> I also don't appreciate being implicated as an idiot. Check out my
> e-mail address...Macalester College. Do some research...find out how
> smart you have to be to get in there.
>
> Flame bait? Maybe.
>
> XbenX
mm
Don,
Before you do anything rash, go back a few posts-- I believe the person
"sick of working at Sears" signed the post as "xBenx", not Bill.
Also, be advised that "Ben" or whatever his name is, might not even work
for Sears. It's possible that he does not like Sears, and he is posing
as a Sears employee in order to intentionally generate a long negative
thread regarding Sears. Anybody that posts something so negative about
their employer is either an imposter or is on the verge of quitting
anyway.
-mm
Morrison
Diablerie wrote:
>
> Kevin Riutort wrote:
> >
> > > I don't go off on too many rants, but this guy really got to me. Let's
> > > see, he works at Sears, does his job poorly (judging by the way he
> > > refers to his customers), he's sick of his job,... and he calls *us* the
> > > idiots.
>
> Okay...what I originally posted was just a rant. I was sick of dealing
> with problems and complaints. I think people that buy power tools at
> Sears are idiots because they obviously haven't done any research to
> find out that Sears power tools are junk. I usually try to talk people
> into buying the PC or Dewalt but they see the low low pricetag on the
> "Craftsman" and jump on that. I personally would never buy ANY
> Craftsman power tool again...the only thing worth getting are the Router
> Bits and PC's are cheaper.
>
> I do my job well and people that work with me are generally satisfied
> customers...I'm just sick of the Craftsman Club thing.
>
> I also don't appreciate being implicated as an idiot. Check out my
> e-mail address...Macalester College. Do some research...find out how
> smart you have to be to get in there.
>
> Flame bait? Maybe.
>
> XbenX
I suspect there must be some minimum arrogance quotant requirement as
well.
Ken
Thomas Gauldin
Bill Rubin <bill...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Bill, I was the one who kicked the hornet's nest by stating in the
first article that I had purchased and really appreciated the Sears
RoboGrip pliers. I then asked about comments on the RoboLock pliers.
Following up on your tip, I visited our local Sears store to buy the
small and large incarnations of the RoboLock pliers.
There, on display, were individual packs of the small or large pliers
for $19 and $29 respectiverly. By the checkout counter was a "Special
BUY" double pack of BOTH marked $29. I then asked for the Craftsman's
Club discount and the final price was reduced by 20%.
The two pliers are now at home, have been played with and I deem them
to be of good design and anticipate that they will have a place in my
toolbox.
Thanks for saving me some money.
Tom
Bill Rubin
mm wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:19:13 +0000, Diablerie <bch...@macalester.edu> wrote:
> > Okay...I want to clear this up before all you idiots start coming in and
> > whining to me about how you heard it was 20% off thru the 20th. Yes,
> > some tools are 20% off but don't expect to get that much on any power
> > tool (10%) or accessory (15%). Also, say that you want to sign up for
> > the CRAFTSMAN CLUB!!! I'm sick of all you people coming in and saying
> > "Isn't there a discount for a tool club or something..."
>
> "sick of working at Sears" signed the post as "xBenx", not Bill.
Thank you for point that out, I was the one who posted about the sale!
>
> Also, be advised that "Ben" or whatever his name is, might not even work
> for Sears. It's possible that he does not like Sears, and he is posing
> as a Sears employee in order to intentionally generate a long negative
> thread regarding Sears. Anybody that posts something so negative about
> their employer is either an imposter or is on the verge of quitting
> anyway.
I know there are people who dislike Sears here, but from his posting
above it does seem that he's an employee since he knew about the
specifics of the sale.
On the other hand, if he were a TRUE Sears employee, he wouldn't know
about it until you came in with the sale circular :-).
Bill
Dave Lord
Really? How smart do you have to be to make derogatory
comments about your employer and insult your customers
in a public forum? Not very. (-:
Bill Rubin
Thomas Gauldin wrote:
>
> Bill, I was the one who kicked the hornet's nest by stating in the
> first article that I had purchased and really appreciated the Sears
> RoboGrip pliers. I then asked about comments on the RoboLock pliers.
>
> Following up on your tip, I visited our local Sears store to buy the
> small and large incarnations of the RoboLock pliers.
>
> There, on display, were individual packs of the small or large pliers
> for $19 and $29 respectiverly. By the checkout counter was a "Special
> BUY" double pack of BOTH marked $29. I then asked for the Craftsman's
> Club discount and the final price was reduced by 20%.
Well, I figured I should post this since I was the one who posted the
sale info in the first place. I stopped by my local Sears tonight to buy
the aforementioned 2 pack of Robolock pliers. First thing I noticed is
that at my store the 2 packs of Robogrip and Autolock (there is no
Robolock) are $39.99 for the set, not $29.99. So, after trying to figure
out if I really need the Autolock models (I already have the Robogrips)
I figured what the heck, I'll buy it. The salesman kid was nice enough,
I told him I had the Craftsman Club sale circular, he said no problem.
He scanned the item, and it did not ring up on sale. I showed him the
ad. He said if it's included in the sale it would be ringing up at 20%
off. I asked why he couldn't just mark it down 20% given what the
circular said, he said he'd done that earlier and gotten in trouble for
it and wasn't doing it again. I also asked if there was someone else to
talk to and he said if the register didn't ring it up on sale it's not
on sale. I told him if that was the case then I wasn't buying them and
left. I don't think he cared (surprise).
I have not had really bad experiences in the past with Sears, but I
guess there is always a first time. Fortunately, I didn't really need
these tools, otherwise I would have put up a bigger fight.
Bill
A.E.B.
> > Also, be advised that "Ben" or whatever his name is, might not even work
> > for Sears. It's possible that he does not like Sears, and he is posing
> > as a Sears employee in order to intentionally generate a long negative
> > thread regarding Sears. Anybody that posts something so negative about
> > their employer is either an imposter or is on the verge of quitting
> > anyway.
Surely no one (in their right mind) would incite a long negative thread
about Swears and Rarback would they?
> On the other hand, if he were a TRUE Sears employee, he wouldn't know
> about it until you came in with the sale circular :-).
Good point!
bubba
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While reading article <5tc1kd$lt$0...@204.179.92.196>, I noticed that
Morrison <morr...@magpage.com> said the following:
>> Okay...what I originally posted was just a rant. I was sick of dealing
>> with problems and complaints. I think people that buy power tools at
>> Sears are idiots because they obviously haven't done any research to
>> find out that Sears power tools are junk. I usually try to talk people
>> into buying the PC or Dewalt but they see the low low pricetag on the
>> "Craftsman" and jump on that. I personally would never buy ANY
>> Craftsman power tool again...the only thing worth getting are the Router
>> Bits and PC's are cheaper.
Yep, that Craftsman rotary tool sure is junk (a relabeled Dremel), as is that
Cratfsman electric impact wrench (it's a DeWalt.)
Many "idiots" who HAVE done research have discovered that Craftsman power
tools are made by many "label" companies but can often be had cheaper than the
EXACT SAME brand name models due in part to Craftsman Club sales...
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Adam Whiteson
Christine Sanderson wrote:
> My usage is light, compared to what your doing I bet. But..my little
> screwdriver made it easier to put up some cabinets. The little battery
> powered saw did a real good job cutting wall board to fix a hole. I will
> admit, I could have used something a little more powerfull cutting the
> hole in the counter top for my sink. It took 2 days! I think I was
> using a jigsaw.
Two days?! I assume you are exaggerating? You could have gnawed thru
the counter with your teeth in less time.
> > As with anything else, you get what you pay for.
Well, you usually pay for what you get but you often don't get what you
paid for.
My complaint against Crafstman is that they are overpriced for their
quality. There is a place for 2nd and even 3rd rate tools but the price
should match the quality. Also, Craftsman used to make decent tools
and many people feel let down by a name that once meant quality and has
now come to mean 2nd rate.
Adam
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+ Adam Whiteson <whi...@ibm.net> +
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Ruth Anne Francis
In article <33FCC5...@ptc.com>,
Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> wrote:
>> Christine:
> Mnay of us have
>> found out the hard way that you can either buy the cheap tools many
>> times or buy the good ones once. Additionally most of us require more
>> precision oout of our tools than the household DIYer. The cheap tools
>> are just not up to the task. One of the reason that Black & Decker
>> Do *you* need a $300 circular saw (Are there $300 circular saws?)?
>> Probably not. But, it was after my second $40 circular saw that I
>> realized that as better one was in order for my next purchase.
>> Yes, but, you managed to break it, I havn't. Mabey someday I will get to
>the point where it is necessary for me to buy stronger tools... Then
>again, mabey my house will stop developing problems.
I find that more often than not, I can't get by with the cheap tools. I
don't do a lot of projects, nothing that could be considered
anywhere near professional, but I have run into some problems that have
put my cheaper tools to the test and they have failed.
Just last weekend there was a problem with the shower in the building
where I was staying. I had some of my Stanley screwdrivers (I don't
consider them cheap) with me and used them to try to get the screws off
the face plate for the water control knob. One of the screws was
stripped. I couldn't get it out and my friend bent the screwdriver up
pretty badly trying. The screw driver will never be the same and I will
have to replace it next time I get a chance (probably with Craftsman, at
least they have a lifetime warranety). Anything cheaper wouldn't have
got the job done, this one barely did.
I've also worked with cheap power tools and I hate them. I hate not
having enough power to get a job done or having the material be eaten up
because of a bad tool.
I'm not advocating buying the top of the line model if you're not going
to be doing professional stuff, but get something well made with a good
warranty and the best that you can afford. It will make things easier,
and safer in the future.
That's the strategy that I used when I bought my drill two years ago. I
looked into a bunch of different models and finally settled on the
bottom of the line DeWalt. It cost more than I had originally hoped to
pay, but I have never been let down because of it. I've found that
there have been some jobs that were bigger than I thought I would ever
end up doing and was very glad that I had spent the money to get the
better tool.
I will continue to do buy tools this way and hopefully sometime in the
not too distant future have a full set of good, quality tools. (Also,
to help defer the cost, ask for good tools for presents. That's what I
do and my parents are more than happy to oblige. I also am working on
setting a friend of mine up with a set of quality tools by giving him
them as gifts.)
Ruth Ann
Don't buy cheap tools.
--
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Georgia Tech - AE Senior. Gulfstream Aerospace Co-op.
DramaTech Theater Production Manager - gt0...@prism.gatech.edu
"Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning" - Peter Pan
Christine Sanderson
Adam Whiteson wrote:
>
> Christine Sanderson wrote: I will
> > admit, I could have used something a little more powerfull cutting the
> > hole in the counter top for my sink. It took 2 days! I think I was
> > using a jigsaw.
>
> Two days?! I assume you are exaggerating? You could have gnawed thru
> the counter with your teeth in less time.
>
Actually no, at that time, I only had 2 batteries, and I had to go and
recharge them a couple of times. Now I have 6 batteries, so It won't
happen again.
George Jefferson
:By the way, about Dremel tool, I looked at the "Craftman" branded
:Dremel at sears and basic line powered tool kit cost over 120 CDN and
:at my local private hardware in downtown can be specially ordered from
:catalog exact same one for 70 CDN.
actually, you can generally order things from *sears* for cheaper
than the store price (including the shipping charge).
one of many things that burns me up about that store.
I have no problem with the quality, but I dont set foot in
there unless I need a specialty thing that I cant get elsewhere.
--
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A.E.B.
Christine Sanderson wrote:
>
> Actually no, at that time, I only had 2 batteries, and I had to go and
> recharge them a couple of times. Now I have 6 batteries, so It won't
> happen again.
But only if you keep them all fully charged to capacity at all times.
bubba
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Christine Sanderson
Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
Are these worth it? I think it was 20$ + shipping and handeling for a
set of 6.
I was thinking of getting a set for christmas for my DH. They come with
the craftsman life time warenty, but are not sold in stores... so my
question is, if he breaks one, how do we get a new one?
Christine
Jim Nelson wrote:
> This Sears Craftsman thread is never going to die, is it...
I hope not... I have learned a lot from it.
Thomas Gauldin
Unless I'm mistaken, the wrenches are in our local Sears store here in
Raleigh, and I was looking them over last week. They're a box end
wrench, but with a relief in the end that permits you to disengage the
nut to move the wrench- about like a ratchet once you get yourself
"trained."
They looked OK to me, but seemed a bit too pricey for my own use.
Tom
Christine Sanderson
> Hi Bruce,
I have recieved many letters on craftsman POWER tools, but nobody had
anything negitive to say about the regular tools. I have never heard of
any brand's besides craftsman that had the life time gaurentee. I
always thought people who broke thier tools were abusing them. Don't
most tools last a long time, as long as you take care of them? Im not
rough on my tools, (most likley because Im a novice) but I do manage to
strip screwdrivers a lot. Buying craftsman screwdrivers has saved me
lots of money, because when I bought the cheep ones (1$ each) I would
usualy strip them after 1 or 2 usages.
As far as the wrenches I am talking about that I saw on TV, I think
they may be kind of unique.
As a side note, what do you think of the tools that you can buy in
Brookstone's? Are they good quality?
Christine
> Christine, you're learning the wrong things if you've "learned a lot"
> and are
> still considering buying your DH craftsman tools.
>
> *ANY* reputable tool manufacturer has a lifetime handtool replacement
> warrenty.
> The difference between a craftsman and a snapon is that the craftsman
> is *far*
> more likely to break under normal usage (and invariably in the middle
> of a
> brake job, late sunday night, when you have an important meeting
> Monday morning
> and your SO is out of town with the other car...)
>
> Bruce
Mitch Berkson
I've seen them sold in Sears stores.
Consumer Reports mentioned them in this month's issue. They thought
that they were useful.
Mitch Berkson
Christine Sanderson wrote:
>
> Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
> wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
> wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
> where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
>
Jim Sokoloff
Christine Sanderson wrote:
>
> Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
> wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
> wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
> where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
>
> Are these worth it? I think it was 20$ + shipping and handeling for a
> set of 6.
>
> I was thinking of getting a set for christmas for my DH. They come with
> the craftsman life time warenty, but are not sold in stores... so my
> question is, if he breaks one, how do we get a new one?
They are sold in Sears stores. They arrived at my local Sears about a
week ago. So, I imagine they're on the way.
I looked them over, and decided that I'd probably buy a set sometime,
but you should damn well have a regular set of wrenches, long and short
pattern and a full set of sockets before adding these to the old tool
chest. (In other words, they might be "nice" to have, but they sort
pretty low on the list of useful tools I think.)
---Jim
bow...@eisner.decus.org
Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> writes:
> I have recieved many letters on craftsman POWER tools, but nobody had
> anything negitive to say about the regular tools. I have never heard of
> any brand's besides craftsman that had the life time gaurentee.
SnapOn for one...
>I
> always thought people who broke thier tools were abusing them. Don't
> most tools last a long time, as long as you take care of them?
I don't think I'm rough on them eaither but at least once a year I bust a
socket or mangle the end of a screwdriver. I generally need that size socket
to finish what I'm working on. If the tool was a craftsman I toss it in a
bucket and go to the local hardware store and buy another one. The next time
I'm going near a sears (the nearest is a 45-50 minute drive) I take the bucket
and get new stuff (for free). I've never had a problem getting them to honor
the warrenty (even when a tool has obviously been mis-used, like the craftsman
ax head I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep, took
it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
>Im not
> rough on my tools, (most likley because Im a novice) but I do manage to
> strip screwdrivers a lot.
If you strip screwdrivers alot, then you're using the wrong sized screwdriver.
>Buying craftsman screwdrivers has saved me
> lots of money, because when I bought the cheep ones (1$ each) I would
> usualy strip them after 1 or 2 usages.
And buying a good brand of screwdriver would have saved you money too. I'm not
saying craftsman tools are like the $0.99 for a set of 6 screwdrivers you can
get at (insert favorite discount store here). I'm saying they're not as good
as some other brands of tools, like SnapOn tools (I have no relationship with
SnapOn, other than as occasional satisfied customer).
> As far as the wrenches I am talking about that I saw on TV, I think
> they may be kind of unique.
Yep, they sure are unique and I'll bet they don't work worth a damn for a nut
that's rusted in place...
> As a side note, what do you think of the tools that you can buy in
> Brookstone's? Are they good quality?
*GROSSLY* overpriced and probably not all that good (I haven't really looked at
them since the nearest brookstone store is 3 hours away.
Bruce
Howard Acheson
Christine Sanderson wrote:
>
> As far as the wrenches I am talking about that I saw on TV, I think
> they may be kind of unique.
be-an excellent value. Professional tools such as SnapOn, Mac, Matco,
etc are only justified if you are a professional or particularly well
heeled.
That said, you can go into any Sears store and they will arrange a
replacement for the tool you are considering.
--
Howie..........
Tim Arheit
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:58:04 GMT, bow...@eisner.decus.org wrote:
>In article <340599F6...@ptc.com>, Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> writes:
>*ANY* reputable tool manufacturer has a lifetime handtool replacement warrenty.
Yes, but most reputable tool manufacturer's give a lifetime handtool
replacement warrenty against _factory_defects_. But craftsman gives
a lifetime handtool replacement warrenty against both factory defects
_and_ normal wear and tear (anything short of outright abuse).
(Note also, normally handtools where the blade is replaceable the
blade itself is not covered under the wear and tear warranty.
However, on some tools such as the coping saw, the blade is covered.)
>The difference between a craftsman and a snapon is that the craftsman is *far*
>more likely to break under normal usage
Another difference is that It's much harder to get the snapon dealer
to replace a worn out tool (I've also heard many complaints about
this, but that could be just a bad local dealer), but I've never had a
problem with Sears replacing a handtool.
You do have to watch when buying Sears/Craftsman though since they
don't really make there own tools. Sometimes they are identical to
the name brand that makes them (Ex. Craftsman paint guns are identical
to Devillis models, Craftsman rotory tools are identical to Dremel,
etc..), Sometimes they vary only by cosmetic effects, and sometimes
they are an inferior, or better models than the manufacturors own name
brand.
Buyer beware :)
-Tim
Tom Corey
Christine,
While it is true that Craftsman power tools do indeed suck, The
mechanics hand tools aren't bad. There are better, Snap-On and Mac to
name 2, but the are more money. I have found Craftsman wrenches and the
like to be good enough for what I do but I don't earn my living with
them. I do earn my living working on electronics and wouldn't use
Craftsman tools for that because they just aren't good enough.
--
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Art .
bow...@eisner.decus.org wrote:
>
> In article <340599F6...@ptc.com>, Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> writes:
> > wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
> > wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
> > where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
> >
> > Are these worth it? I think it was 20$ + shipping and handeling for a
> > set of 6.
> >
> > I was thinking of getting a set for christmas for my DH. They come with
> > the craftsman life time warenty, but are not sold in stores... so my
> > question is, if he breaks one, how do we get a new one?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Nelson wrote:
> >
> >> This Sears Craftsman thread is never going to die, is it...
> >
> > I hope not... I have learned a lot from it.
>
> still considering buying your DH craftsman tools.
>
> brake job, late sunday night, when you have an important meeting Monday morning
> and your SO is out of town with the other car...)
>
> Bruce
Snap-on makes great tools, but the they also have a great price--meaning
expensive. And then you have to hope you can find the truck when you
break one of their tools.
I've used Craftsman hand tools for many years and I've only broken one
socket in that time--it was a 3/8" drive by 18mm. It was recently,
while I was helping my son repair brakes on an '87 Plymouth Horizon. We
needed to remove two bolts holding the brake caliper on. Using a 3/8 to
1/2 inch adaptor. the bolts wouldn'n budge. Tried using an impact
wrench with, reportedly, a 150 ft. lbs rating. Still didn't budge. Got
out the 1/2" breaker bar with an 18" length of pipe and it still didn't
budge. Got out a 3/4" drive breaker bar, added the 3/4 to 1/2 adaptor
and then added the 1/2 to 3/8 adaptor, and then added the 18" pipe
extension. Got one bolt loose before the socket broke. I think thats
unbelieveable strength from a 3/8" inch Craftsman socket. Took it back
to Sears and they replaced it. I then bought a Craftsman 1/2" drive by
18mm and had no trouble removing the other three bolts.
For the money, you can't beat Sears Craftsman hand tools.
If don't want craftsman, and you're interested in a lifetime warrenty,
try Home Depot, they give one with their Husky line of tools. And
they're reasonably priced as well.
If you're a professional mechanic, Snap-On makes sense and they come to
you. I'd rather spend the extra money on woodworking gear.
Art
R2: La Migra
I saw them at Sears last week, I vaguely recall that the price may have
been $20 the set. The display had a dummy bolt (won't tighten, but gives
resistance) that you could "test-drive" one wrench on. Seemed to work
well and would be good for those jobs where there isn't any clearance for
a ratchet.
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Christine Sanderson wrote:
> Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
> wrenches.
<SNIP>
R2: La Migra
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Tom Corey wrote:
> Christine Sanderson wrote:
> > I was thinking of getting a set for christmas for my DH.
>
> Not to be smart or anything but, DH? Designated Hitter?
> --
> Tom Corey
Maybe Dog Handler?
Just the Vietnam Vet coming out...
R2: LaMigra
"Some people confuse breathing with living."
Sto Len, ca 1995
Dan Warren
In article <3405D16C...@ptc.com>, Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> wrote:
>> Hi Bruce,
>
>I have recieved many letters on craftsman POWER tools, but nobody had
>anything negitive to say about the regular tools.
Had a Crafstman power screwdriver. The foward/reverse rocker switch broke.
Do you think Sears had a replacemnt part.....NO. Had to trow the whole thing
out because the plastic rocker broke.
Now I have a B&D.
_
(_) Daniel Warren, RPh
_______// Marion NY
(________) Clinical Staff Pharmacist - Strong Memorial Hospital
\ / dwa...@frontiernet.net
| Rx |
/______\
(________)
linda
R2: La Migra wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Tom Corey wrote:
> > Christine Sanderson wrote:
> > > I was thinking of getting a set for christmas for my DH.
> > Not to be smart or anything but, DH? Designated Hitter?
> > Tom Corey
> Maybe Dog Handler?
> Just the Vietnam Vet coming out...
I personally wouldn't own one <g>, but DH stands for Dear Husband
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Tim Bedow
ger...@infi.net wrote in article <340cc147....@allnews.infi.net>...
> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:02:13 GMT, bow...@eisner.decus.org wrote:
>
> snip...
>
> > I've never had a problem getting them to honor
> >the warrenty (even when a tool has obviously been mis-used, like the
craftsman
> >ax head I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep,
took
> >it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
>
> Gee, aren't you a nice, honest, upstanding citizen. A real role model.
>
It's morons like this that make it hard for me to buy new tools because
they cost so much. I just want a good tool that the company will stand
behind, not let some idiot take advantage of them and steal, yes steal,
from them.
MAX
...and talking about TOOL FETISH, are there clinics for this?
Im in serious need of one (or two, or....)
MAX
Note: To reply, remove the "X" from my e-mail address.
"Happiness is merely the remission of pain"
Vic Dura
"Tim Bedow" <tim....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:02:13 GMT, bow...@eisner.decus.org wrote:
>I've never had a problem getting them to honor the warrenty (even when a tool has >obviously been mis-used, like the
>craftsman ax head I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep,
>took it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
>It's morons like this that make it hard for me to buy new tools because
>they cost so much. I just want a good tool that the company will stand
>behind, not let some idiot take advantage of them and steal, yes steal,
>from them.
Well said Tim.
--
Vic Dura (vpd...@hiwaay.net) DuraHaven, Rogersville AL 35652
Jim Sokoloff
>
> > I've never had a problem getting them to honor
> >the warrenty (even when a tool has obviously been mis-used, like the craftsman
> >ax head I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep, took
> >it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
>
What exactly was dishonest about what this guy did?
If one finds a discarded ten dollar bill at the dump, they get to take
it right?
The guy found an axe at the dump and took it. This axe is guaranteed by
the store and is replaced. I fail to see any lack of honesty in this
series of transactions...
---Jim
Jim Nelson
In article <340616...@erols.com>, ajbr...@erols.com says...
>
>I've used Craftsman hand tools for many years and I've only broken one
>socket in that time--it was a 3/8" drive by 18mm. It was recently,
>while I was helping my son repair brakes on an '87 Plymouth Horizon. We
>needed to remove two bolts holding the brake caliper on. Using a 3/8 to
>1/2 inch adaptor. the bolts wouldn'n budge. Tried using an impact
>wrench with, reportedly, a 150 ft. lbs rating. Still didn't budge. Got
>out the 1/2" breaker bar with an 18" length of pipe and it still didn't
>budge. Got out a 3/4" drive breaker bar, added the 3/4 to 1/2 adaptor
>and then added the 1/2 to 3/8 adaptor, and then added the 18" pipe
>extension. Got one bolt loose before the socket broke. I think thats
>unbelieveable strength from a 3/8" inch Craftsman socket. Took it back
>to Sears and they replaced it. I then bought a Craftsman 1/2" drive by
>18mm and had no trouble removing the other three bolts.
>
>For the money, you can't beat Sears Craftsman hand tools.
>
What more could anyone say?
Jim Nelson
In article <1997Aug28.085804.1@eisner>, bow...@eisner.decus.org says...
>
>Christine, you're learning the wrong things if you've "learned a lot" and are
>still considering buying your DH craftsman tools.
>
>*ANY* reputable tool manufacturer has a lifetime handtool replacement warrenty.
>The difference between a craftsman and a snapon is that the craftsman is *far*
>more likely to break under normal usage (and invariably in the middle of a
>brake job, late sunday night, when you have an important meeting Monday morning
>and your SO is out of town with the other car...)
>
So if your Monday morning meeting is so important why are you spending
your time futzing with the brakes? On Sunday night - with all the auto
parts stores closed?
Some of us have to leave the Snap-On to the pros - who can afford to
pay 4-5 times as much as Craftsman tools cost. I know one mechanic
( at the Chrysler Proving Grounds ) who claims to own $45,000 worth
of Snap-On stuff. Unreal!
And for occasional use - give me a break. Craftsman wrenches are fine.
I've never broken any of mine.
Jim Nelson
In article <3405D16C...@ptc.com>, tmpcsa...@ptc.com says...
>
>> Hi Bruce,
>
>I have recieved many letters on craftsman POWER tools, but nobody had
>always thought people who broke thier tools were abusing them. Don't
>rough on my tools, (most likley because Im a novice) but I do manage to
>lots of money, because when I bought the cheep ones (1$ each) I would
>usualy strip them after 1 or 2 usages.
>
>they may be kind of unique.
>
>Brookstone's? Are they good quality?
>
Sounds like you should continue to trust your instincts.
Brookstone offers a lot of widgetry, but basics are more useful.
toby fain
I work as a maintain mech. and use a lot of hand tools, most of the wenches
I
first bought were craftsman, but as they break or wear out I am replacing
with PROTO (no I don't work for them) they are good quality wrenches with
the same warranty as craftsman and are shaped for better comfort when
pulling, of witch I do a lot of.
Jim Nelson <j...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
<5ujo62$idn$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>...
Joe Yule
toby fain wrote:
>
> I work as a maintain mech. and use a lot of hand tools, most of the wenches
> I
> first bought were craftsman, but as they break or wear out I am replacing
> with PROTO (no I don't work for them) they are good quality wrenches with
> the same warranty as craftsman and are shaped for better comfort when
> pulling, of witch I do a lot of.
Amen...
I'm all in favor of trading in old wenches for new wenches,
especially when they are shaped for "better comfort" ;^)
Joe
John Hascall
Jim Sokoloff <soko...@tiac.net> wrote:
}ger...@infi.net wrote:
}>bow...@eisner.decus.org wrote:
}> snip...
}> > I've never had a problem getting them to honor
}> >the warrenty (even when a tool has obviously been mis-used,
}> >like the craftsman ax head
}> >I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep, took
}> >it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
}> Gee, aren't you a nice, honest, upstanding citizen. A real role model.
}What exactly was dishonest about what this guy did? ...
}The guy found an axe at the dump and took it. This axe is guaranteed by
}the store and is replaced. I fail to see any lack of honesty in this
}series of transactions...
I suppose that depends on whether or not the warrantee is just to
the original owner. (and in the case of sears, I don't know
what their warrantee actually says).
John
PS, I wonder if one could "acquire" a rather complete toolset
this way by dumpster diving behind sears...
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ISU Computation Center demanded are now mandatory. -Jello Biafra
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Topher Eliot
In article <5unb7o$h6o$1...@news.goodnet.com>, deh...@indirect.com wrote:
>In <340DD152...@ti.com>, Joe Yule <yu...@ti.com> writes:
>>
>>toby fain wrote:
>>>
>>> I work as a maintain mech. and use a lot of hand tools, most of the wenches
>>> I
>>> first bought were craftsman, but as they break or wear out I am replacing
>>> with PROTO (no I don't work for them) they are good quality wrenches with
>>> the same warranty as craftsman and are shaped for better comfort when
>>> pulling, of witch I do a lot of.
I'm not so sure about the "witch" aspect . . .
Topher Eliot
el...@alum.mit.edu
Visit the home maintenance web page at http://www.geocities.com/heartland/7400
Freesoft
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:07:38 -0400, Tom Corey <nojun...@erols.com>
wrote:
I've had few problems with Craftsman power tools. (1/2" drill - 12
years old, 10" wet sharpener - 32 years old, band saw - 9 years old,
drill press - 8 years old, etc...) As long as I look for the
"Industrial" label and look closely at the tool itself to see if it
warrants the "Industrial" label. (I think they recently started
putting a "Contracter" label on the stuff. A lot of their power tools
are crap but with careful shopping you can get decent stuff. I try and
stay away from a lot of the gimmick items. And replacement parts are
easier to get as long as you didn't throw away the owners manual.
Some tools, I stick with the namesake (Cresent wrench, Makita cordless
drills, Skil saw, etc) but only the upper end of them. Most all
companies make a junk line but usually put a little more effort into
their high end tools.
I don't make a living with my tools, since I can't afford to buy
everything I want, I sure use them in ways they weren't originally
intended.
Mark Hetzel
97 XLH with too few miles
Mr Fixit
deh...@indirect.com wrote in article <5unb7o$h6o$1...@news.goodnet.com>...
> In <340DD152...@ti.com>, Joe Yule <yu...@ti.com> writes:
> >
> >toby fain wrote:
> >>
> >> I work as a maintain mech. and use a lot of hand tools, most of the
wenches
> >> I
> >> first bought were craftsman, but as they break or wear out I am
replacing
> >> with PROTO (no I don't work for them) they are good quality wrenches
with
> >> the same warranty as craftsman and are shaped for better comfort when
> >> pulling, of witch I do a lot of.
> >
> >
> >Amen...
> >
> > I'm all in favor of trading in old wenches for new wenches,
> > especially when they are shaped for "better comfort" ;^)
> >
> > Joe
>
> Joe you're bad. Must be a relative of M. Rooney.
> DH
>
===============
I traded an old wench for a new one once. The prorating cost nearly wiped
me out! Still, I think the improved comfort was worth it. ;-}
Mr Fixit
Lou Hinshaw
Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> wrote:
>Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
>wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
>wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
>where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
>
>Are these worth it? I think it was 20$ + shipping and handeling for a
>set of 6.
>
YES! They are worth it, BUT! Your DH will have to learn to use it
carefully until the use becomes habituated.
And Sears STILL guarantees satisfaction. I NEVER ask sears to
make good on a product guarantee; I always say I ain't satisfied.
In 50 years, that has always worked.
Once, the salesman almost choked on it, but it still worked.
Go for it.
Lou Hinshaw
Prolific inventor,
Lousy Salesman,
Incompetent businessman.
(Typical of the Breed)
Tulsa OK, USA
Lou Hinshaw
Someon wrote
>
>Christine, now, you see what brand sells and they use the
>over-inflated prices to support these people, wonderful warrenty but
>did not make quality with right level to make competiton with other
>brands. Sony makes new TV's as good as middle quality TV these days
>but stinky part support and that's common with all kinds of consumer
>gear and you pay more for that. Preventable by finding one that does
>not break in 2 year and keep going with minor yearly maintance which
>cost by 50 to 70 precent factor above than these $150 TV junks.
>
OTOH, you also see that there are people who will argue their side till
the cows come home undriven. I know mech's who will not work on a
brand of vehicle they don't like, while other equally good mech's work
only on that one brand.
I know hunters who won't touch winchester, and others who swear by them.
You have seen people who hate Sears, and people who love Sears.
You might do what I do:
Go to pawn shops..
At my local pawn shops, there are trays with signs that the USA stuff
is 2.50 each and the foreign stuff is 1.00 each. Craftsman is very cheap
there.
so are a lot of others. BUT not Mac or Snap-On. They have good ad
programs that support their image.
Good luck.
Bill Young
> >
> > snip...
> >
> > > I've never had a problem getting them to honor
> > >the warrenty (even when a tool has obviously been mis-used, like the
> craftsman
> > >ax head I found at the dump that someone must have left in a fire. Yep,
> took
> > >it back to sears, got a new ax and didn't pay a cent...)
> >
> > Gee, aren't you a nice, honest, upstanding citizen. A real role model.
> >
> they cost so much. I just want a good tool that the company will stand
> behind, not let some idiot take advantage of them and steal, yes steal,
> from them.
I have, in years past, taken many hand tools back to sears for
replacement. They have always honored the warantee(sp?) even for
found,used,yard sale tools. Yes I asked first. Bill Young,Alaska
Keith Boyd
Freesoft wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:07:38 -0400, Tom Corey <nojun...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Christine,
> > While it is true that Craftsman power tools do indeed suck, The
> >mechanics hand tools aren't bad. There are better, Snap-On and Mac to
> >name 2, but the are more money. I have found Craftsman wrenches and the
> >like to be good enough for what I do but I don't earn my living with
> >them. I do earn my living working on electronics and wouldn't use
> >Craftsman tools for that because they just aren't good enough.
> >--
> >Tom Corey
> >to reply remove "nojunk" from address
>
> I've had few problems with Craftsman power tools. (1/2" drill - 12
> years old, 10" wet sharpener - 32 years old, band saw - 9 years old,
> drill press - 8 years old, etc...) As long as I look for the
> "Industrial" label and look closely at the tool itself to see if it
> warrants the "Industrial" label. (I think they recently started
> putting a "Contracter" label on the stuff. A lot of their power tools
> are crap but with careful shopping you can get decent stuff. I try and
> stay away from a lot of the gimmick items. And replacement parts are
> easier to get as long as you didn't throw away the owners manual.
>
> Some tools, I stick with the namesake (Cresent wrench, Makita cordless
> drills,
My variable speed Makita Cordless drill is apparently having a problem
with the trigger switch. It won't start off slowly and accelerate to the
max smoothly. The low speeds do not work and all of a sudden it turns
on full speed when it gets to a certain point. So far, I am just living
with it, but it is a pain trying to do delicate work with it.
Keith
Scott
On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:38:40 GMT, aru...@pipeline.com (Lou Hinshaw)
wrote:
>
>Christine Sanderson <tmpcsa...@ptc.com> wrote:
>
>>Last night on TV, I saw a comercial about some craftsman ratchet
>>wrenches. I think it was Bob Villa who was selling them. They are
>>wrenches, that have a little notch in them. You use them in places
>>where you need a ratchet, but only a wrench will fit.
>>
>>Are these worth it? I think it was 20$ + shipping and handeling for a
>>set of 6.
>>
>YES! They are worth it, BUT! Your DH will have to learn to use it
>carefully until the use becomes habituated.
>
>And Sears STILL guarantees satisfaction. I NEVER ask sears to
>make good on a product guarantee; I always say I ain't satisfied.
>In 50 years, that has always worked.
>
>Once, the salesman almost choked on it, but it still worked.
<snip>
I just returned my garden hose reel at Sears and they did accept it
after a bit of discussion and two trips. Basically the hose reel was
designed in a way that your very first coil would crease the garden
hose and pinch it. I tried every which way and no matter how you
started the first coil it would pinch the hose (cutting off water
supply). This meant having to unreel all 100 ft of hose to get the
crease where the hose attached to the reel out before you could use
your hose.
The guy at Sears first told my wife that it was used and they would
not accept a return (how being used had affected the poor design I
don't know). That night *I* took the hose reel to Sears, picked the
busiest regsiter and proceeded to have the salesman show me how to use
the hose reel without damaging my hose and pinching the hose at the
connection. After a few tries the saleman acknowledged that it wasn't
possible. Of course by this time everyone in the garden dept. was
looking to see what the problem was. I have never got my money
refunded back so fast in my life. If this hose reel had been $8-$10 I
would have thrown it out (and made a mental note not to be so damn
cheap next time), but it was $30 and I was not going to eat $30!
I guess the lesson here is to not accept poor quality. If you buy
something that fails to live up to acceptable standards or fails to
perform its advertised function, take it back! With that said, it
does NOT mean taking back your $80 lawnmower because it doesn't peform
like a $60 Honda lawnmower.
jcarson...@gmail.com
Dean Hoffman
> I just read this 11 years later and this is the first time I've been able to close the pliers. So, a very belated THANK YOU!
>
"Drive a nail home and clinch it so faithfully that you can wake up
in the night and think of your work with satisfaction,a work at which
you would not be ashamed to invoke the Muse." Henry David Thoreau
From
<http://www.quoteland.com/author/Henry-David-Thoreau-Quotes/112/?pg=1>
Oren
wrote:
>I just read this 11 years later and this is the first time I've been able to close the pliers
that.