Re: Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?

[HeyBub]

fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
>
> And while we're at it. I'm still looking for the other kind of tool.
> A C-clamp or any type of clamp that clamps OUTWARD. In some cases, a
> bottle jack is just not feasible to use. Why is it that all clamps
> are made to clamp inward?

Harbor Freight is your friend.

12" Ratching Bar Clamp/Spreader
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-inch-ratchet-bar-clamp-spreader-46807.html

For bigger stuff, an old fashioned, ratching, bumper jack should move things
along nicely.

The "Jaws of Life" kit probably has attachements that would work, too.

[dadiOH]

Steve B wrote:

> I think people who say Google is your friend are morons. I googled
> horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack. A ton of
> worthless crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is
> one is looking for.

Be more specific in your search terms and you'll get better results. The
phrase "horizontal bottle jack" gets numerous useful links on the first
page. IOW, "user error" :)

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[Jim Elbrecht]

fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

>I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
>found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
>are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
>is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Can you face the handle down--- or at least to the side?

If not, use a screw jack, a scissor jack, or go whole hog and get one
of these-
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-ton-heavy-duty-portable-hydraulic-equipment-kit-44899.html

>
>Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
>I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
>plane. These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that
>once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang.


I'd grab my 6' pry bar somebody made from an old car axle and have the
shed moved a foot before you got the jack in place.


-snip-
>there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
>C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
>market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once
to push things apart.

Jim

[dadiOH]

fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:48:52 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think people who say Google is your friend are morons. I googled
>

> Agreed!!!!!

>
>> horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack. A ton of
>> worthless crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is

>> one is looking for. I just posted a post asking the question if a
>> jack that works in the horizontal position looks anything different
>> than a regular one. I looked at about ten sites, and I could not
>> find one that had that tidbit of information. I'm busy. I don't
>> want to sift hay for an hour. I like having a forum where one can
>> ask a common question, and then not get smart assed remarks, just
>> the facts.
>>
> I tried Ebay. That was a bigger joke. 90% of what I found was Jack
> Daniels bottles!!!!
>
> Like you, I dont care to waste my time searching thru piles of online
> rubbish, and for that matter, I'd prefer to avoid shopping online.
> Yet, I have not found any jacks that say "horizontal use" in the
> local big box or hardware stores.

>
> And while we're at it. I'm still looking for the other kind of tool.
> A C-clamp or any type of clamp that clamps OUTWARD. In some cases, a
> bottle jack is just not feasible to use. Why is it that all clamps
> are made to clamp inward?

They aren't. It isn't hard to find a clamp that spreads.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=spread%20cla&cp=12&gs_id=1a&xhr=t&q=spread+clamp&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&oq=spread+clamp&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=cbcf5e5168ad01ee&biw=887&bih=506

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Aug 8, 5:08 pm, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:48:52 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I think people who say Google is your friend are morons.  I googled
>
> Agreed!!!!!

So now we have the guy who had to come here
asking about a bottle jack that would work sideways
calling me a moron. And I'm the one that found him
the bottle jack in 10 seconds on Google and provided
the first reply solving his problem. So much for thanks.

As for Steve B:

" I googled

horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack. A ton of
worthless
crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is one is
looking
for. I just posted a post asking the question if a jack that works in
the
horizontal position looks anything different than a regular one. I
looked
at about ten sites, and I could not find one that had that tidbit of
information. I'm busy. I don't want to sift hay for an hour. I
like
having a forum where one can ask a common question, and then not get
smart
assed remarks, just the facts. "

I used google and found the jack at harbor freight in about
10 seconds. So, I'd say the problem isn't google. It's just
that google is too sophisticated a tool for Steve.
And then you have to love this from him too:

" I like having a forum where one can ask a common
question, and then not get smart assed remarks,
just the facts. "

I provided the facts. I found a bottle jack that works
horizontally. Steve is the one in the forum with the
smart assed remarks that have nothing to do with the
question.

Who's the moron now, moron?

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:07:09 -0700, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:49:53 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>>news:5qi5285nrnlgdl3ug...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:05:45 -0500, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Google is your friend.....
>>>>>
>>>>God I wish people would stop saying this......
>>>
>>> Bing is your friend...
>>
>>Bing is shit. They bombard you with ads, and unrelated sites.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>Maybe so and so does Google. I'm not constantly asked to install some
>Google "shit" ware.

I don't use Google unless there is no alternative. I don't view BING any
differently.

>What do you use for a search engine that eliminates ads?

I use search.com but it does give "sponsored results".

[PV]

fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), "tra...@optonline.net"
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Google is your friend.....
>>
> God I wish people would stop saying this......

> Google might have been a friend 10 years ago. Today google is one of
> the most corrupt companies on the internet.
>
> Anyhow, thanks for the link!
>
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-bottle-jack-66480.html

duckduckgo is your new best friend

http://duckduckgo.com/



--
PV

"If Inflammable means more flammable, then what does incompetent mean?'

[Dean Hoffman]

On 8/8/12 2:11 PM, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
> horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
> found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
> are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
> is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.
>

Cut rest due to AIOE quoting limitations.

I've used what look like regular bottle jacks sideways without any
problem. It's automatic for me to put the handle side down. I had no
idea there were special ones for horizontal use.

[gregz]

I don't like what google does to tablets display. I usually use yahoo, and
their results are much like many of the other search engines. Overall,
google has better image search, but yahoos is much better than it used to
be. I don't know how engines compare, looking at crap ehow, and other copy
cat advertiser answer boards. I hate those.

Greg

[Robert Allison]

On 8/8/2012 2:11 PM, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
> horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
> found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
> are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
> is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

<<Snipped>>
> What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
> side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more tools
> that work simularly.....
>
>
>

There is such an animal and I haven't seen it mentioned except in one
post. You are looking for a Portopower jack. Comes with various heads
for various things. I use them all the time.

http://www.toolprice.com/category/hydraulictools.portapowerkit/

--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX

[Harry K]

On Aug 8, 1:48 pm, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <fred.flintst...@thecave.com> wrote in message
>
> news:udh5285qvbasoto48...@4ax.com...

>
> > On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), "trad...@optonline.net"
> > <trad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Google is your friend.....
>
> > God I wish people would stop saying this......

> > Google might have been a friend 10 years ago.  Today google is one of
> > the most corrupt companies on the internet.
>
> > Anyhow, thanks for the link!
>
> >>http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-bottle-jack-66480.html
>

> I think people who say Google is your friend are morons.  I googled

> horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack.  A ton of worthless
> crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is one is looking
> for.  I just posted a post asking the question if a jack that works in the
> horizontal position looks anything different than a regular one.  I looked
> at about ten sites, and I could not find one that had that tidbit of
> information.  I'm busy.  I don't want to sift hay for an hour.  I like
> having a forum where one can ask a common question, and then not get smart
> assed remarks, just the facts.
>

> I appreciate the link you posted.  It shows me that a regular and horizontal
> jack look alike.  It does not show if it is clearly labeled on the jack, so
> that one might know if they do find one at a yard sale.
>
> BUT, I had my answers from one simple post, and I never did get there on
> Google.  Google returns everything from lifting jacks to Jack Daniels on a
> generic search.  And I get aggravated by the geniuses who say I just need to
> look harder.
>
> Steve

My understanding from my old man (he used to run a 'hydraulic and
small engine shop) is tht a bottle jack will run horizontally but only
in one position. I would assume, if true, the position wouild be with
the pump on the bottom.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Aug 8, 3:18 pm, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:
>
> > And while we're at it.  I'm still looking for the other kind of tool.
> > A C-clamp or any type of clamp that clamps OUTWARD.  In some cases, a
> > bottle jack is just not feasible to use.  Why is it that all clamps
> > are made to clamp inward?
>
> Harbor Freight is your friend.
>

> 12" Ratching Bar Clamp/Spreaderhttp://www.harborfreight.com/12-inch-ratchet-bar-clamp-spreader-46807...

>
> For bigger stuff, an old fashioned, ratching, bumper jack should move things
> along nicely.
>
> The "Jaws of Life" kit probably has attachements that would work, too.

Thanks. I knew I had seen the HF one somewhere.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Aug 8, 2:08 pm, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:48:52 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I think people who say Google is your friend are morons.  I googled
>

> Agreed!!!!!

>
> >horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack.  A ton of worthless
> >crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is one is looking
> >for.  I just posted a post asking the question if a jack that works in the
> >horizontal position looks anything different than a regular one.  I looked
> >at about ten sites, and I could not find one that had that tidbit of
> >information.  I'm busy.  I don't want to sift hay for an hour.  I like
> >having a forum where one can ask a common question, and then not get smart
> >assed remarks, just the facts.
>

> I tried Ebay.  That was a bigger joke.  90% of what I found was Jack
> Daniels bottles!!!!
>
> Like you, I dont care to waste my time searching thru piles of online
> rubbish, and for that matter, I'd prefer to avoid shopping online.  Yet,
> I have not found any jacks that say "horizontal use" in the local big
> box or hardware stores.
>

> And while we're at it.  I'm still looking for the other kind of tool.  A
> C-clamp or any type of clamp that clamps OUTWARD.  In some cases, a
> bottle jack is just not feasible to use.  Why is it that all clamps are
> made to clamp inward?

Yes, but they all seem to be special purpose from a quick google :).
Try search string:


reverse force clamp

I don't understand the "anti google" bit. All I get when I use it is
either one "google"
advert at top and the search field, or no advert at all, jsut a blank
page with the search field.

Harry K

[Harry K]

On Aug 8, 1:48 pm, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <fred.flintst...@thecave.com> wrote in message
>
> news:udh5285qvbasoto48...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), "trad...@optonline.net"
> > <trad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Google is your friend.....
>
> > God I wish people would stop saying this......
> > Google might have been a friend 10 years ago.  Today google is one of
> > the most corrupt companies on the internet.
>
> > Anyhow, thanks for the link!
>
> >>http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-bottle-jack-66480.html
>

> I think people who say Google is your friend are morons.  I googled

> horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack.  A ton of worthless
> crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is one is looking
> for.  I just posted a post asking the question if a jack that works in the
> horizontal position looks anything different than a regular one.  I looked
> at about ten sites, and I could not find one that had that tidbit of
> information.  I'm busy.  I don't want to sift hay for an hour.  I like
> having a forum where one can ask a common question, and then not get smart
> assed remarks, just the facts.
>

> I appreciate the link you posted.  It shows me that a regular and horizontal
> jack look alike.  It does not show if it is clearly labeled on the jack, so
> that one might know if they do find one at a yard sale.
>
> BUT, I had my answers from one simple post, and I never did get there on
> Google.  Google returns everything from lifting jacks to Jack Daniels on a
> generic search.  And I get aggravated by the geniuses who say I just need to
> look harder.
>
> Steve

Just googled it (sorry but it works) and found several discussions
saying it works with the jack positioned with pump on bottom. Awkward
for sure, but works. Search string "bottle jack works on side"

Harry K

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:18:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com>
wrote:

>-snip-
>>there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
>>C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
>>market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.
>
>I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once
>to push things apart.
>
>Jim

You wanna explain how to do this?

Ok, the head goes against one object. All you got on the other side is
the nut, and that dont leave much surface to push against anything.

I used to work for a flooring guy who had several half inch bolts, (or
5/8") from 2 inches to about 5 inches long. When he had to lift one of
those old heavy cast iron steam heating radiators, he found the closest
bolt that would fit under the radiator, and screw the nut to the end of
the threads to lift the radiator 1/4 inch to push new linoleum under the
legs. But that was only a quarter inch of lift, and more than once he
went beyond the threads and had the radiator fall off the bolt. Luckily
he never got his fingers smashed (that I know of).

I used to think "why dont they make a real short bottle jack for that
sort of thing"?

[Harry K]

On Aug 8, 6:20 pm, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@in*%ebr#&as$ka.com">
wrote:
> On 8/8/12 2:11 PM, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,

Yep. As long as the pump side is down they will work. Some of them
you don't even have to have the pump down.

Harry K

[Oren]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:15:50 -0500, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

>>I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once
>>to push things apart.
>>
>>Jim
>
>You wanna explain how to do this?

<http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/alca/exb/FederalPrison/Inmates/Escapes/1946Escape/Goga-18261bSS.html>
--

[denni...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:18:24 PM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
> Be more specific in your search terms and you'll get better results. The
> phrase "horizontal bottle jack" gets numerous useful links on the first
> page. IOW, "user error" :)

Exactly. I don't know what the hell "unknown" searched on but whatever it was you probably had to be frickin' clairvoyant to figure out what he MEANT.

I typed "jack for horizontal use" in google, and the second link I got was this:
http://www.ehow.com/how_7433418_use-hydraulic-jack-horizontal-position.html

WOW. It TELLS you how to use any ordinary everyday bottle jack in a horizontal position! Guess what? It WORKS!

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:15:50 -0500, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:18:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com>
>wrote:
>
>>-snip-
>>>there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
>>>C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
>>>market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.
>>
>>I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once
>>to push things apart.
>>
>>Jim
>
>You wanna explain how to do this?
>
>Ok, the head goes against one object. All you got on the other side is
>the nut, and that dont leave much surface to push against anything.

That bolt has been kicking around in my garage for 30 years. it's got
4 nuts on it. I've made an assortment of 'attachments' over the
years. Most are made from pieces of angle iron-- one involved some
1/2" plate and a 12" bolt. [and after looking at Oren's link- I'm
threading a pipe nipple onto it for storage]

As luck/age would have it, I can picture the thing on the bench in the
garage and all the iron bits hanging off of it--- but darned if my
grey matter will give up a single time I actually used it. I *know*
I have-- just can't remember what for.

It would probably all be prettier if I could weld-- but gravity and
friction hold it together.

>
>I used to work for a flooring guy who had several half inch bolts, (or
>5/8") from 2 inches to about 5 inches long. When he had to lift one of
>those old heavy cast iron steam heating radiators, he found the closest
>bolt that would fit under the radiator, and screw the nut to the end of
>the threads to lift the radiator 1/4 inch to push new linoleum under the
>legs. But that was only a quarter inch of lift, and more than once he
>went beyond the threads and had the radiator fall off the bolt. Luckily
>he never got his fingers smashed (that I know of).

A coupling nut would get him almost 2" of lift/push. I've used a
crossbuckle nut to 'push' things apart. Sky's the limit with those
guys.

>I used to think "why dont they make a real short bottle jack for that
>sort of thing"?

You can carry a bolt in your pocket-- porta-power calls for *big*
pockets.

Jim

[Jim Elbrecht]

Now you gave away where I learned how.<g>

Jim

[Oren]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:19:09 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com>
wrote:

I've only seen one made in prison, many years ago. It was different
than that link but did the same thing.

These would do the same thing for spreading I suppose.

<http://www.elkayprod.com/jacklifts_4.shtml>
--

[N8N]

On Aug 8, 3:11 pm, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:
> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
> horizontally.  The jack did not function.  I grabbed another jack and
> found the same problem.  I researched this, and found that these jacks
> are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
> is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.
>

> Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
> I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
> plane.  These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that

> once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang.  Quite
> recently I was putting plywood sheets in an attic and laid down 8 or 9
> sheets, only to discover that they should have gone a few more inches
> toward the rear of the house.  They were not nailed, so they could still
> be moved.  The thought of putting a jack against the front rafters and
> moving all the sheets at once came to mind, but I knew that was not
> possible due to the limitations of these jacks.  Therefore, what could
> have been a simple task to jack these sheets over by 3 inches, meant
> moving each sheet by hand one at a time.
>
> Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
> I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
> devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane.  Yet,

> there is nothing made to do this.  Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
> C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD.  Of all the tools onm the
> market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.
>

> If you're erecting a wall, and the wall is a little off the floor on one
> end, a C-clamp or other clamp will pull it inward.  But to move it
> outward, your only method is to use a big hammer (which in some cases is
> not possible, such as the plywood attic floor).
>
> Yes, there is the "come along".  That tool will work in some places with
> a large open area behind it, but it wont work to move a plywood attic
> floor or even a shed if there is nothing to attach it to.
>
> Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
> move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
> just neglected to design such tools?

>
> What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
> side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD.  And probably more tools
> that work simularly.....

I haven't read the whole thread, but the keyword you want to search
for is "porta-power."

nate

[Don Phillipson]

<fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote in message
news:gmd628psa65mfno6l...@4ax.com...

> I used to work for a flooring guy who had several half inch bolts, (or
> 5/8") from 2 inches to about 5 inches long. When he had to lift one of
> those old heavy cast iron steam heating radiators, he found the closest
> bolt that would fit under the radiator, and screw the nut to the end of
> the threads to lift the radiator 1/4 inch to push new linoleum under the
> legs. But that was only a quarter inch of lift, and more than once he
> went beyond the threads and had the radiator fall off the bolt. Luckily
> he never got his fingers smashed (that I know of).
>
> I used to think "why dont they make a real short bottle jack for that
> sort of thing"?

Ans: a lever with its own fulcrum (like a packing case opener)
will do the job, if long enough.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Harry K]

On Aug 9, 4:33 pm, "Don Phillipson" <e...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> <fred.flintst...@thecave.com> wrote in message

Which take two people to operate, one to use the lever, the other to
do whatever needs doing.
even if it is only to shove a block under to hold the load up.

Harry K

[Ray]

http://www.princessauto.com/pal/product/8158297/Bottle-Jacks/12-Ton-Horizontal/Vertical-Bottle-Jack





"Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote in message
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[DD_BobK]

On Aug 8, 12:34 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
wrote:

> On Aug 8, 3:11 pm, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
> > until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
> > horizontally.  The jack did not function.  I grabbed another jack and
> > found the same problem.  I researched this, and found that these jacks
> > are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
> > is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.
>
> > Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
> > I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
> > plane.  These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that
> > once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang.  Quite
> > recently I was putting plywood sheets in an attic and laid down 8 or 9
> > sheets, only to discover that they should have gone a few more inches
> > toward the rear of the house.  They were not nailed, so they could still
> > be moved.  The thought of putting a jack against the front rafters and
> > moving all the sheets at once came to mind, but I knew that was not
> > possible due to the limitations of these jacks.  Therefore, what could
> > have been a simple task to jack these sheets over by 3 inches, meant
> > moving each sheet by hand one at a time.
>
> > Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
> > I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
> > devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane.  Yet,

> > there is nothing made to do this.  Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
> > C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD.  Of all the tools onm the
> > market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.
>

> > If you're erecting a wall, and the wall is a little off the floor on one
> > end, a C-clamp or other clamp will pull it inward.  But to move it
> > outward, your only method is to use a big hammer (which in some cases is
> > not possible, such as the plywood attic floor).
>
> > Yes, there is the "come along".  That tool will work in some places with
> > a large open area behind it, but it wont work to move a plywood attic
> > floor or even a shed if there is nothing to attach it to.
>
> > Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
> > move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
> > just neglected to design such tools?
>
> > What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
> > side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD.  And probably more tools
> > that work simularly.....
>

> I've used some bottle jacks on their side.  It may
> depend on the design, how much fluid is in it,
> etc.   I've also had ones that would not work
> on their side.
>
> I've also seen tools with the pump and piston
> seperated and connected by a hose.  That way
> you can put the piston where you want it and then
> pump away.  Good for tight spots.

Enerpac is one of the common mfrs of this type of equipment.

Very versatile & powerful.... they run on hydraulic pump (hand or
electric) with pressures up to 10,000 psi.

http://www.enerpac.com/en/industrial-tools/hydraulic-cylinders-jacks-lifting-products-and-systems

cheers
Bob

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Aug 8, 3:11 pm, fred.flintst...@thecave.com wrote:

[tra...@optonline.net]

Google is your friend.....


http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-bottle-jack-66480.html

[Arthur Shapiro]

In article <s0d52812ht10bfkq3...@4ax.com>, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
>I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>horizontally. The jack did not function

After experiencing the same thing last week (skipping a four-hour tale of
struggling with replacing the rollers on a garage door) I was about to throw
out my bottle jack in disgust.

Can't answer your question, but you just saved an innocent bottle jack from
the trash can. I ended up using a scissors jack from the car to get around
the issue in my situation.

Art

[Doug]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:11:33 -0500, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

>I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
>found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks

> -snip -


Hope you are jacking me around ....sorry I couldn't resist.
Try this...
https://www.google.com/search?q=horizontal+hydraulic+jacks&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:49:48 -0500, "Doug" <noemail...@msn.com>
wrote:

Were you jacking off when you wrote this?
....sorry I couldn't resist. :)

Thanks for the link!

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

[Stormin Mormon]

Cut im some slack, Jack!

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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<fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote in message
news:45h528564kgm28g2i...@4ax.com...

>Hope you are jacking me around ....sorry I couldn't resist.
>Try this...

[Steve B]

<fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote in message
news:s0d52812ht10bfkq3...@4ax.com...

>I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
> horizontally.

And also, are they obviously something configured to work sideways, and
easily recognizable as a horizontal jack, or are there just regular looking
jacks, or just a little different, that someone could pick up at a yard
sale? Some of the jacks listed there look like regular jacks, but I looked
at some of the Google sites, and they have floor jacks as horizontal jacks.
Is that moronic, or what? I have had many times when I could use horizontal
power, and was wondering this very thing many times. And I don't want to
wander through all that crud to read every description of every jack when
they list a floor jack as a horizontal jack.

Anyone?

I guess if there IS a bottle jack that is capable of sideways propulsion, it
would be clearly labeled as one. Is that the case?

Steve

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

Damn, I should have posted this when I was struggling with that attic
floor plywood. A scissors jack would have worked for that, and I know
there's at least one of them laying around in my garage.

Glad I saved your bottle jack! Most of the standard ones will not work
on their side. It's because the fluid must be at the bottom in order to
go into the valves and ports inside of them, which do the lifting. I
dont recall ever seeing anything on the instructions about this. I bet
lots of jacks have gone to the trash because not many people know
this.....

[Oren]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:05:45 -0500, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:

>
>>Google is your friend.....
>>
>God I wish people would stop saying this......

Bing is your friend...
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[Steve B]

<fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote in message
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[Steve B]

"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Bing is shit. They bombard you with ads, and unrelated sites.

Steve

[notbob]

On 2012-08-08, fred.fl...@thecave.com <fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote:

> I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal

Look to the automotive repair industry. You know, fer pushing a
fender back out after it's been crumpled in. Hydrualic jacks that
work in any position are the backbone of that trade. Look for "ram"
instead of "jack".

nb




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[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT), "tra...@optonline.net"
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>I've used some bottle jacks on their side. It may
>depend on the design, how much fluid is in it,
>etc. I've also had ones that would not work
>on their side.
>
>I've also seen tools with the pump and piston
>seperated and connected by a hose. That way
>you can put the piston where you want it and then
>pump away. Good for tight spots.

From looking at the weblinks given on here, it appears that some of
these bottle jacks are made for horizontal use. But most I've gotten
locally are not. I just found these. Short (miniature) ones that are
made to be used in all positions. This is what I'd like, but
unfortunately they are all from the UK. I wont even consider buying
online from the UK because the shipping would be outrageous. Seems
these are not sold in the US. A short one would be best for my needs!

http://www.sgs-engineering.com/hydraulic-jacks/bottle-jacks/miniature

[Oren]

Maybe so and so does Google. I'm not constantly asked to install some
Google "shit" ware.

What do you use for a search engine that eliminates ads?
--

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:48:52 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think people who say Google is your friend are morons. I googled

Agreed!!!!!

>horizontal jack, and it is like being hit by a haystack. A ton of worthless
>crap that one has to sift through to find just what it is one is looking
>for. I just posted a post asking the question if a jack that works in the
>horizontal position looks anything different than a regular one. I looked
>at about ten sites, and I could not find one that had that tidbit of
>information. I'm busy. I don't want to sift hay for an hour. I like
>having a forum where one can ask a common question, and then not get smart
>assed remarks, just the facts.
>

I tried Ebay. That was a bigger joke. 90% of what I found was Jack
Daniels bottles!!!!

Like you, I dont care to waste my time searching thru piles of online
rubbish, and for that matter, I'd prefer to avoid shopping online. Yet,
I have not found any jacks that say "horizontal use" in the local big
box or hardware stores.

And while we're at it. I'm still looking for the other kind of tool. A
C-clamp or any type of clamp that clamps OUTWARD. In some cases, a
bottle jack is just not feasible to use. Why is it that all clamps are
made to clamp inward?

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:16:07 -0700, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
><fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote in message
>news:s0d52812ht10bfkq3...@4ax.com...
>>I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>> horizontally.
>
>And also, are they obviously something configured to work sideways, and
>easily recognizable as a horizontal jack, or are there just regular looking
>jacks, or just a little different, that someone could pick up at a yard
>sale? Some of the jacks listed there look like regular jacks, but I looked
>at some of the Google sites, and they have floor jacks as horizontal jacks.
>Is that moronic, or what? I have had many times when I could use horizontal

I noticed that too....
I'd like to see someone try to use a floor jack on it's side.....

>power, and was wondering this very thing many times. And I don't want to
>wander through all that crud to read every description of every jack when
>they list a floor jack as a horizontal jack.
>
>Anyone?
>
>I guess if there IS a bottle jack that is capable of sideways propulsion, it
>would be clearly labeled as one. Is that the case?

Agreed......
They all do look the same.

Like I said, none of them I've seen in the stores ever mention the
position they are made to be used. Those intended for horizontal use
should say so. Those intended for vertical use should say "verticle use
only".

(I doubt these verticle ones would work upside down either).

>
>Steve
>

[Oren]

On 8 Aug 2012 21:00:25 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

>On 2012-08-08, fred.fl...@thecave.com <fred.fl...@thecave.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
>
>Look to the automotive repair industry. You know, fer pushing a
>fender back out after it's been crumpled in. Hydrualic jacks that
>work in any position are the backbone of that trade. Look for "ram"
>instead of "jack".
>
>nb

+1

<http://yourautomotivetools.com/images/vujofyre.jpg>
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[Jules Richardson]

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:11:33 -0500, fred.flintstone wrote:
> Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
> I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
> devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane. Yet,
> there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
> C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
> market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

I've used good ol' hand-wound scissor jacks for that kind of thing in the
past, so long as the force needed isn't that great (i.e. less than or
equivalent to raising whatever vehicle the jack came from :-)

cheers

Jules

[peteraro...@gmail.com]

We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose. Awesome bit of kit.

[danny burstein]

(Yes, I know the original query is from 2012...)

In <aeb8ecb5-9def-4bc3...@googlegroups.com> peteraro...@gmail.com writes:

>On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 3:11:33 AM UTC+8, fred.fl...@thecave.com wrote:
>> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>> horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
>> found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
>> are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
>> is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.
>>

>> Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
>> move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
>> just neglected to design such tools?
>>
>> What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
>> side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more tools
>> that work simularly.....

>We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose. Awesome bit of kit

I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.
.
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[Dean Hoffman]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:10:39 -0500, danny burstein <dan...@panix.com>
wrote:

> (Yes, I know the original query is from 2012...)
>
> In <aeb8ecb5-9def-4bc3...@googlegroups.com>
> peteraro...@gmail.com writes:
>
>> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 3:11:33 AM UTC+8, fred.fl...@thecave.com
>> wrote:
>>> I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
>>> until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
>>> horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
>>> found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
>>> are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
>>> is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.
>>>
>>> Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
>>> move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
>>> just neglected to design such tools?
>>>
>>> What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
>>> side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more
>>> tools
>>> that work simularly.....
>
>> We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be
>> used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose.
>> Awesome bit of kit
>
> I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
> the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
> moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.

I'm wondering why the OP didn't turn the jack
piston side down. They work fine. That might've been one
of the first tricks I learned back in days of yore.


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On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 06:40:10 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
<dh0...@windstream.net> wrote:

>>
>> I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
>> the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
>> moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>
> I'm wondering why the OP didn't turn the jack
>piston side down. They work fine. That might've been one
>of the first tricks I learned back in days of yore.
>

This thread is 3 years old, but I have had this problem too.
What do you means to put the piston side down?
They bottom of the piston is in the base, but in that case you're no
longer using the jack horizontal. In a horizontal position, no matter
which way you turn it, it seems to me that it's the same. The only
difference is the part you move to pump it. Are you saying that part
should be "down"? I guess I dont understand you....

[Dean Hoffman]

Yep, you have it. Put the part you move to pump it down.
Rotate this one 90 degrees clockwise.
http://alturl.com/2phyo (Bing image)
Somewhere on the side of the big part is the fill plug. I've
never seen one leak when used sideways though.

[Mo]

roger that on google

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