On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 3:15:17 PM UTC-5, mike wrote:
> On 1/21/2018 7:36 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 1/20/2018 4:50 AM, BurfordTJustice wrote:
> >> We hear a bill is to be introduced to not pay
> >> all the fat assed overpaid government employees
> >> for the tie they sit at home.
> >>
> >> In the past they always go paid.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > What is the default, if nothing is done? They get paid for doing
> > nothing***, or they don't get paid?
> >
> > *** I mean during the furlough, not when they are normally not doing
> > nothing.
> If we all ran our budgets like the federal government, we'd all
> be living on the streets.
>
> Government funding bills are about dollars and cents.
> They should be UNRELATED to other legislation.
You mean like Trump's wall? Obviously he was full of baloney when
he said Mexico was going to pay for it. So, it has to be paid for in
the budget if it's going to be built. So the Democrats gave Trump
what he had asked for $1.6 bil for the wall, $1.2 bil in addtional
border security. They presented that as part of a proposal at the
shithole meeting. So, now what? Is the money for the wall and
border security going in the budget or not?
Aside from that, this is a very American issue at it's core.
Trump is already screwing those DACA people, using then as pawns.
TRUMP is the one that lit the fuse last Sept, created the crisis.
So now with then about to be deported in just over a month,
Trump blew up the bipartisan compromise that would have fixed it.
Normally, I'd agree that the budget should not be used to force
an issue, but when the lives and welfare of 800K families in America
are about to go down the drain, I'd sure use the budget as the
final means.
If legislation is
> already passed and on the books, there should be a line item in the
> budget for it.
A line item for what exactly?
That's ALL. Pass it or not, but don't go bitching
> about who gets deported. That's not part of the budget unless it
> has been previously passed and shows up as a budget line item.
The money Trump wanted for a wall and increased border security,
which Democrats agreed to, would be in the budget and conditional
on DACA.
>
> Was anybody in our government surprised about the due date for
> passage of the bill? This childish behavior needs to stop.
I agree. Who started the childish behavior, who lit the fuse? TRUMP
Who the day the fuse was lit had his AG vilifying the DACA people as
criminals, taking jobs from Americans? TRUMP
Who just six hours later said that Congress should legalize those
people? TRUMP
Who then gave them a 6 month extension and said that if Congress did not
act in that time, then he would reconsider TRUMP
Who while doing the above says he loves DACA? TRUMP
Who runs Congress and sets the schedule, the priorities, determines
what gets discussed and voted on? The GOP
Who accepted that Congress with 535 members can only do one thing at
a time and never complains about it? TRUMP
>
> If the government is gonna shutdown on Jan 20, the deadline
> for passing the funding bill should be much earlier, like
> September 1, of the previous year. If the budget isn't passed
> by September 1, at least two things happen...
>
> Each member of congress and the president get fined 1/365
> of their total compensation, including perks for each and every
> day that they're not doing their job. This is not a delay, it's
> a FINE and is not tax deductible. Maybe it oughta be a crime,
> similar to taking a hostage, with mandatory jail time to commence
> at the end of your term of office.
Sounds like something like that would be a good idea.
>
> A new line item gets added to the federal tax return.
> You get to subtract D/365 of your total tax due (where D is the number
> of days
> past September 1 that the funding bill was not passed) if you were
> not a member of the teams who didn't pass the funding bill.
> If our government isn't doing its job, it doesn't need the money.
That makes no sense, because the govt needs the money either way.
>
> After 10 days of this childish behavior, maybe we have elections
> to replace elected officials who are incapable of reading a calendar
> with a big red circle around January 20.
It's not the Jan 20 date that's the core problem. It's that Trump put
those DACA people's lives into play, he set the countdown to March and then
when presented with a reasonable bipartisan compromise last week,
he made the shithole remarks and blew it all up. And since the GOP
and Democrats agree on one thing, that is that Trump can't or won't
tell them what is that he wants, what he will sign.