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DC

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Oct 10, 2008, 9:52:11 AM10/10/08
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"For years the Kirby vacuum has been king of the vacuums.
As far as cleaning power and durability goes they could not
be beat. But now their is a new kid in town...the Dyson
vacuum. Dysons only been around for a few years but making
a big splash and lots of people have been buying them. But
are they as good as all the hype?..."

Continued: http://atu.ca/DYSONvsKIRBY

Michael A. Ball

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Oct 10, 2008, 3:27:45 PM10/10/08
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT), DC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net>
wrote:

>"For years the Kirby vacuum has been king of the vacuums...
>
>Continued: http://atu.ca/DYSONvsKIRBY

I was immediately redirected to
http://reviews.ebay.com/DYSON-OR-KIRBY-VACUUM-Which-is
-the-best-vacuum_W0QQugidZ10000000003855053, which is a typo-riddled
Ebay review, that does not inspire confidence in its credibility.


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ransley

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Oct 10, 2008, 4:13:52 PM10/10/08
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Isnt kirby a 1000$ metal monster, and dyson a 3-400$, I can buy 4 100$
Eurekas or whatever and each Will last me 10-20 years. Both are a
waste of money.

tim

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Oct 10, 2008, 5:42:59 PM10/10/08
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ransley <Mark_R...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:b0d11c71-6b6f-4885...@e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.c
om:

I owned a Kirby for about 20 yrs. In my opinion, it is an about
$300 to $400 vacuum with $500 worth of very good accessories.
Price your favorite vacuum cleaner, a carpet shampooer, an
upholstery shampooer, a powered hose-end vacuum brush, and the
usual hose and nozzle set, and you come to very close to what a
little smart dickering can get a Kirby for. (In our case, about
$700, instead of the $1200 they were asking. And this was back
about 1985-7.) The big point is make sure you need all those
accessories before you take the plunge. If all you want to do is
vacuum, there are lots of good ones for less than $200. I forget
the brand now but I picked up a very nice bagless upright with HEPA
filtration and hose set and a builtin feather duster w/cleaner for
about $100 at Wally World.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

krw

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Oct 10, 2008, 7:23:22 PM10/10/08
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In article <b0d11c71-6b6f-4885-8ac3-8edf4f47ac09
@e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark_R...@yahoo.com says...

My wife would blow out a Eurekas and Hoovers in less than a year.
We've had a Dyson for at least five and an Orek for fourish. They're
far better vacuums than the Eurekas and Hoovers ever thought of
being. Kirby and Electro Lux are nuts.

--
Keith

Phisherman

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Oct 10, 2008, 10:19:14 PM10/10/08
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I've been using the same Panasonic vacuum for 18 years in a large
carpeted house. Still going strong with a minor tool rack repair and
one replaced belt. I order more bags over the Internet. Can't
reasonably see spending over $500 for a vacuum, though.

Michael A. Ball

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Oct 10, 2008, 11:37:38 PM10/10/08
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:19:14 -0400, Phisherman <nob...@noone.com> wrote:

>...I've been using the same Panasonic vacuum for 18 years...

I've been using the same Panasonic vacuum for 13 years. I once changed
the belt.


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ransley

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Oct 11, 2008, 9:52:03 AM10/11/08
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On Oct 10, 6:23 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> In article <b0d11c71-6b6f-4885-8ac3-8edf4f47ac09
> @e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com says...

mine last 15-20, with a weekly maid, for 1000 I would start looking at
central vac.

krw

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Oct 11, 2008, 11:57:02 AM10/11/08
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In article <b040b636-812b-4e53-bfcf-566e13143c2c@
17g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Mark_R...@yahoo.com says...

I certainly would if I built a house (just bought a new one, but it
was already finished). Too much rip-up of existing structures.

--
Keith

ransley

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Oct 13, 2008, 7:48:39 PM10/13/08
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On Oct 10, 6:23 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> In article <b0d11c71-6b6f-4885-8ac3-8edf4f47ac09
> @e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com says...

warrantys are 1 yr.

krw

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Oct 13, 2008, 9:07:32 PM10/13/08
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In article <b1264563-2823-4ebd-9e89-2733ddefdd40
@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Mark_R...@yahoo.com says...

Got one repaired under warranty, after a long fight. It lasted
another couple of months before blowing out again. It was easier to
just forget the cheap crap and buy a decent unit.

--
Keith

GregS

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Oct 14, 2008, 9:04:51 AM10/14/08
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In article <MPG.23599fe69...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>In article <b0d11c71-6b6f-4885-8ac3-8edf4f47ac09
>@e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark_R...@yahoo.com says...
>> On Oct 10, 8:52=A0am, DC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>> > "For years the Kirby vacuum has been king of the vacuums. =A0

>> > As far as cleaning power and durability goes they could not
>> > be beat. =A0But now their is a new kid in town...the Dyson
>> > vacuum. =A0Dysons only been around for a few years but making
>> > a big splash and lots of people have been buying them. =A0But

>> > are they as good as all the hype?..."
>> >
>> > Continued:http://atu.ca/DYSONvsKIRBY
>>=20

>> Isnt kirby a 1000$ metal monster, and dyson a 3-400$, I can buy 4 100$
>> Eurekas or whatever and each Will last me 10-20 years. Both are a
>> waste of money.
>
>My wife would blow out a Eurekas and Hoovers in less than a year. =20
>We've had a Dyson for at least five and an Orek for fourish. They're=20
>far better vacuums than the Eurekas and Hoovers ever thought of=20
>being. Kirby and Electro Lux are nuts.=20
>
>--=20
>Keith

I still read consumer reports and I bought one at Lowe's that was about $100 and rated
well. Cat hair was the main thing. I have an old Kirby, a couple Electrolux's. The Kirby
works well if the brush is adjusted and will last indefinately since the parts
are available. The Electrolux is very quiet. I don't think you can go wrong for
normal household use getting a good cheap one.

greg

krw

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Oct 15, 2008, 9:14:38 PM10/15/08
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In article <gd25dk$kqm$2...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekf...@zekfrivolous.com says...

> In article <MPG.23599fe69...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >In article <b0d11c71-6b6f-4885-8ac3-8edf4f47ac09
> >@e2g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark_R...@yahoo.com says...
> >> On Oct 10, 8:52=A0am, DC <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> >> > "For years the Kirby vacuum has been king of the vacuums. =A0
> >> > As far as cleaning power and durability goes they could not
> >> > be beat. =A0But now their is a new kid in town...the Dyson
> >> > vacuum. =A0Dysons only been around for a few years but making
> >> > a big splash and lots of people have been buying them. =A0But
> >> > are they as good as all the hype?..."
> >> >
> >> > Continued:http://atu.ca/DYSONvsKIRBY
> >>=20
> >> Isnt kirby a 1000$ metal monster, and dyson a 3-400$, I can buy 4 100$
> >> Eurekas or whatever and each Will last me 10-20 years. Both are a
> >> waste of money.
> >
> >My wife would blow out a Eurekas and Hoovers in less than a year. =20
> >We've had a Dyson for at least five and an Orek for fourish. They're=20
> >far better vacuums than the Eurekas and Hoovers ever thought of=20
> >being. Kirby and Electro Lux are nuts.=20
> >
> >--=20
> >Keith
>
> I still read consumer reports and I bought one at Lowe's that was about $100 and rated
> well.

Bought one? Can't tell from the paragraph which.

> Cat hair was the main thing. I have an old Kirby, a couple Electrolux's. The Kirby
> works well if the brush is adjusted and will last indefinately since the parts
> are available. The Electrolux is very quiet.

They're ridiculously expensive. I had a *very* old Kirby 35 years
ago. I tried to fix it a couple of times and the local Kirby dealer
gave it a go but it was never quite right. They really wanted to
sell me a new one but $1000 $1000 for a vacuum cleaner was kinda out
of the question when I was in college (I made perhaps $3500 a year).

> I don't think you can go wrong for
> normal household use getting a good cheap one.

One?

--
Keith

Doug Miller

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Oct 16, 2008, 12:34:42 AM10/16/08
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In article <MPG.2360515d3...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>
>> I don't think you can go wrong for
>> normal household use getting a good cheap one.
>
>One?
>

FWIW, I am still using an Electrolux canister vac which my parents bought new
-- in 1961.

GregS

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Oct 16, 2008, 8:53:19 AM10/16/08
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I didn't say. I still forget what it is, but probably a Bissell model. Often when I
look at Consumer reports, I scan
down the list comparing price with overall rank. If an item is in the top half
and cheap, its a winner. As it frequently happens a good product quickly
becomes extinct or is unavailable when the article comes out.

tween...@mypacks.net

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Oct 16, 2008, 1:06:21 PM10/16/08
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On Oct 16, 8:53 am, zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:


Often when I
> look at Consumer reports, I scan
> down the list comparing price with overall rank. If an item is in the top half
> and cheap, its a winner.

Have you found this to be the case with their CR Best Buys?

FWIW, relative has an in-the-wall system, hates it, and hauls out her
Hoover.

GregS

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Oct 16, 2008, 3:09:27 PM10/16/08
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Not generally. They don't go for the cheapest, its more of a midpoint price and their
own judgements.

CR has not been consistant or products have not been consistant.
They do listen, and I was surprised when I received a letter back from them.

Kirby has been up and down the list.
One time they voted Strohes beer best and Miller last. Then another time
the reverse.
One time they say is best to buy natural peanut butter, then the next
time mention nothing.
I have never found a test relating to a previous test. Seems like they forget the
old tests.
They have been very usefull to me, but you have to know exactly what they are testing
and their own preferences.

greg

KLS

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Oct 17, 2008, 7:20:17 AM10/17/08
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT), tween...@mypacks.net
wrote:

>FWIW, relative has an in-the-wall system, hates it, and hauls out her
>Hoover.

Is this because the long hose is more difficult to manuever than the
vacuum cleaner? That's what I imagine would be the case.

tween...@mypacks.net

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Oct 21, 2008, 10:01:23 AM10/21/08
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On Oct 17, 7:20 am, KLS <xyme...@suds.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT), tweeny90...@mypacks.net

> wrote:
>
> >FWIW, relative has an in-the-wall system, hates it, and hauls out her
> >Hoover.
>
> Is this because the long hose is more difficult to manuever than the
> vacuum cleaner? That's what I imagine would be the case.

She has a two story house. She likes the central system because she
hated to drag the heavy upright upstairs. She keeps an old
Electrolux upstairs for that reason. She did say the central system
is good for the hard floors, but it just doesn't have the suction
needed if you have deep pile carpeting to tackle.

GregS

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Oct 21, 2008, 10:16:07 AM10/21/08
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Besides, you need a power brush do vacuum properly.
A vacuum accutuated power brush is going to cut
down on throughput.

My old Electrolux has a power brush, too many connections though.

greg

krw

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Oct 21, 2008, 7:58:01 PM10/21/08
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In article <gdko70$sad$3...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekf...@zekfrivolous.com says...

I've seen central vacuum units that have powered brushes. You're
right, you can't clean carpets without a brush of some sort.

> My old Electrolux has a power brush, too many connections though.

--
Keith

tween...@mypacks.net

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Oct 22, 2008, 10:28:22 AM10/22/08
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CORRECTION: it is the extra central system hose she hated to drag
upstairs. The electrolux was given to her by a friend who paid a lot
for it and so she keeps it. The central system requires bags which
she buys about every five years - she says they hold a lot. There is
no filter to change in the central system.


She has a lot of hardwood floors, so doesn't do that much vacuuming.

Hope this claries.

Mrs Bonk

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Nov 13, 2008, 9:49:13 AM11/13/08
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UK.
Yes. I have had a Dyson for donkey's years. I am well pleased with it. I had
it serviced once.
Servicing comes at a set price depending on appliance. The Dyson engineer
came to my home, replaced every part that was wearing out, put new hoses,
wheels and filters on cleaned it up like new and took all the rubbish away.
All included in the service. I don't know if they do the same thing in other
countries.
All that and it still picks up like a dream and I paid under £100 for it.
Oh, and Kirby will never get another foothold in my door, their sales pitch
was, in my book, not fair or honest.

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