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THE BEST HT SPEAKERS?

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Digdom1

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I'm about to purchase a new 5.1 speaker set up. I am now listening to M&K 1B's
and an M&K 100 center channel with an M&K sub S-2B.
Electronics are Lex MC-1; NAD power (lots )...

Could you recommend speakers that I should audition?

Paul Dragon

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Paradigm Reference
PSB
B&W
NHT
Sound Dynamics
Monitor Audio
Phase Technology

This is just a short list of the speakers that put M&K to shame.


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Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55D0BA6.22309%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> in article t6idjskqa6g12tsgc...@4ax.com, Lynn Little at
> loli...@swbell.net wrote on 2/6/00 6:37:
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > Try http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/, especially Studio 1.
>
> Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,
> specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms.


Please provide a list of them, along with pictures. That's all we ask. Thank
you.

ONE studio that made 4 movies does not count.

Lynn Little

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:58:50 GMT, "Brian L. McCarty"
<opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote:

>in article t6idjskqa6g12tsgc...@4ax.com, Lynn Little at
>loli...@swbell.net wrote on 2/6/00 6:37:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Try http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/, especially Studio 1.
>
>Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,

>specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms. It's funny how
>bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted with professional use
>of a product they don't sell, as they realize this is an important
>testimonial.
>
>
>Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
>Zipser is a scammer http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=368363274
>Zipser is a cheater http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
>Zipser is a THIEF http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=509980240
>Zippie SOCKPUPPETS http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
Brian,

Abbey Road Studios (per their web site) uses B&W speakers in
Studio 1, Studio 3, their Penthouse Studio and their mobile recording
studios. The only studio they don't use B&W speakers in is Studio 2.

Your first reply to this thread said, "Funny, but none of
these speakers is used by professionals to mix and monitor the sound.
M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An important
point." This was in reference to a list that included B&W speakers.

I don't understand the "Of course, Lynn." in:


"Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,

specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms. It's funny
how bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted with
professional use of a product they don't sell, as they realize this is
an important testimonial."

Brian L. McCarty

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Paul Dragon

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Lynn Little <loli...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:t6idjskqa6g12tsgc...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:25:00 GMT, "Brian L. McCarty"
> <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote:
>
> >in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> >pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:

> >
> >> Paradigm Reference
> >> PSB
> >> B&W
> >> NHT
> >> Sound Dynamics
> >> Monitor Audio
> >> Phase Technology
> >
> >
> >Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
> >monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however.
An
> >important point.

> Brian,


>
> Try http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/, especially Studio 1.

HAHAHHAAA!! Now that was too funny! McCarty opens mouth, inserts foot!

Brian L. McCarty

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in article sjdimno...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 6:38:

> Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews of
> M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON M&K'S
> WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews of
> their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.

If you look at your browser, you will note an area known as a "scroll bar".
Utilizing this computer tool, you can actually MOVE the page up so that you
can see the extensive use of M&K speakers at Lucasfilm, the premier audio
mixing facility.

Note also that the "reviews" you object to are not M&K's reviews, but links
to reviews in Stereophile, Mix, and other audio publications.

Note also that Paradigm's are used in NO recording studios ANYWHERE on the
planet.

Now maybe you'd like to explain to the group AGAIN why your email addresses
pdra...@yahoo.com, pdra...@yahoo.com, and pdra...@yahoo.com have been
CANCELLED by them!

Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)

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"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55D054F.222EA%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> in article MPG.13a087b82...@news.mco.bellsouth.net, Steve Zipser
> at z...@sunshinestereo.com wrote on 2/6/00 5:46:
>
> > That is a lie. There are no major studios using M&K speakers.
>
> Lucasfilm isn't a major studio? What a moron!

No, it is not a major studio - it is a black hole for money - it is a ripoff
certification program so George Lucas can fill up his already deep pockets,
and if you really were a pro, you'd know this! In fact, speaking of
ripoffs - its kinda like your studio, Brian. Besides, Lucas got the
speakers for free for promotional purposes. When I was out there they sure
were NOT using M&K speakers, Bozo! Try again!

> > The requirements of the audio professional do not always coinside with
that
> > of music lovers and audiophiles
>
> Then why do you incessently hawk those Genelec's, who's ONLY use is in
> studios?
>
> Because you're a SALESHACK, lying and scamming!

No, dummy, because Genelec make versions of their powered speakers for home
theater use. If you really were a pro, you'd already know this! They have
been reviewed in several major publications like Stereophile - in fact J
Gordon Holt did the review. They have also been raved about in Home Theater
Magazine. Perhaps, if you took your head out of your arse, you'd know these
things ;-)

BTW, Brian, your links are all bogus - as is your complete being ;-)

Not one of them work, maybe its time for you to get a life?
Zip

Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)

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"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote

> M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
> professionals is legendary.

It has to be legendary - because it sure aint in reality, Brian. They are
garbage - but they are still better than the Bose you use in your make
believe studio ;-)

Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)

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"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote

> Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,

name them

> specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms.

Horse shit!\

> It's funny how bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted
> with professional use of a product they don't sell, as they realize this
is an important
> testimonial.

The last time you had anything to do with a PRO was when the last time you
got laid.

Where are all these studios? Name them.

I can name at least twenty studios using Dunlavy another twenty using B&W,
and a couple using PSB. NONE of them use M&K!
Zip


Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55D0A9B.22301%opera...@worldjazz.com...

> in article sjdimno...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 6:38:
>
> > Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews
of
> > M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON
M&K'S
> > WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews of
> > their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.
>
> If you look at your browser, you will note an area known as a "scroll
bar".
> Utilizing this computer tool, you can actually MOVE the page up so that
you
> can see the extensive use of M&K speakers at Lucasfilm, the premier audio
> mixing facility.


Wow. One studio. HAAHAAAAHAA!!!! That's far from 'every studio on the
planet', Slapnuts.


>
> Note also that the "reviews" you object to are not M&K's reviews, but
links
> to reviews in Stereophile, Mix, and other audio publications.
>
>
> Note also that Paradigm's are used in NO recording studios ANYWHERE on the
> planet.

Can you offer any proof of this? Of course you can't.


>
> Now maybe you'd like to explain to the group AGAIN why your email
addresses
> pdra...@yahoo.com, pdra...@yahoo.com, and pdra...@yahoo.com have
been
> CANCELLED by them!

Can you offer any proof of this? Of course you can't, because you pulled it
out of your ass...complete with a fake explaination that was in fact typed
up by YOU. I find it sad that you have so much free time.


Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55CF5AB.22285%opera...@worldjazz.com...

> in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:
>
> > Paradigm Reference
> > PSB
> > B&W
> > NHT
> > Sound Dynamics
> > Monitor Audio
> > Phase Technology
>
>
> Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
> monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however.
An
> important point.

Home theater is not the same thing as a recording studio, nimrod. They use
those big ass JBL speakers at concerts, but how many homes do you see with
them in it?


Besides, of all the recording studios I've been in, none of them use M&K. Of
all the professional mixers, engineers, and producers I know or have heard
of, none of them use M&K. Quit talking out of your ass, McCarty. Of course
if you have proof (which I've been asking about for 2 years) then let's see
it. But since you seem to clam up when asked for proof, I don't think we'll
be hearing from you again on this subject. Ta ta.


Brian L. McCarty

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in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:

> Paradigm Reference
> PSB
> B&W
> NHT
> Sound Dynamics
> Monitor Audio
> Phase Technology


Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An
important point.

Paul Widner

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wow, ive been away for months now, I come back and i see Paul is still
the same! good to see some things dont change. :-) What's wrong with
M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?


PaulW

Paul Dragon <pdra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
> news:B55CF5AB.22285%opera...@worldjazz.com...

> > in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> > pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:
> >
> > > Paradigm Reference
> > > PSB
> > > B&W
> > > NHT
> > > Sound Dynamics
> > > Monitor Audio
> > > Phase Technology
> >
> >
> > Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
> > monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however.
> An
> > important point.
>

Jim Seymour

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In article <sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com>,

"Paul Dragon" <pdra...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Paradigm Reference
> PSB
> B&W
> NHT
> Sound Dynamics
> Monitor Audio
> Phase Technology
[snip]

Um, DefTech (Definitive Technology)? (I don't know. Just heard
'em a couple of times--not really an audition--and what I heard
sounded pretty good. A bit too "warm" to *my* ears, perhaps.)


Regards,
Jim
--
Jim Seymour | It is wrong always, everywhere and for everyone
jsey...@jimsun.LinxNet.com | to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.
http://home.msen.com/~jimsun | - W. K. Clifford, British philosopher, ca. 1876

Brian L. McCarty

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in article sjden44...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 5:30:

> Besides, of all the recording studios I've been in, none of them use M&K. Of
> all the professional mixers, engineers, and producers I know or have heard
> of, none of them use M&K. Quit talking out of your ass, McCarty. Of course
> if you have proof (which I've been asking about for 2 years) then let's see
> it.

http://www.millerandkreiselsound.com/mkindex.html

Read it and weep, dragonugget!

Health Nut

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"Paul Widner" <pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote in message news:EpCZ4.133

> What's wrong with
> M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?
>
>
> PaulW

They are average ... Nowhere near "some of the best
speakers in the world" There are so many better speakers
in general, especially when you say best in the world...


Brian L. McCarty

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in article MPG.13a087b82...@news.mco.bellsouth.net, Steve Zipser
at z...@sunshinestereo.com wrote on 2/6/00 5:46:

> That is a lie. There are no major studios using M&K speakers.

Lucasfilm isn't a major studio? What a moron!

> The

> requirements of the audio professional do not always coinside with that
> of music lovers and audiophiles

Then why do you incessently hawk those Genelec's, who's ONLY use is in
studios?

Because you're a SALESHACK, lying and scamming!

Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967

Brian L. McCarty

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in article 20000601111132...@ng-fm1.aol.com, Digdom1 at
dig...@aol.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:11:

> I'm about to purchase a new 5.1 speaker set up. I am now listening to M&K
> 1B's
> and an M&K 100 center channel with an M&K sub S-2B.
> Electronics are Lex MC-1; NAD power (lots )...

You're on the right track. M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
professionals is legendary.

http://www.millerandkreiselsound.com/mkindex.html

Paul Widner

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you know what? i just love how objective everyone in this group is! What
is wrong with M&K speaker? What do you guys think of Atlantic Technology
speakers? Let's get some real facts and not one liners.


PaulW

Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
> says...


> > What's wrong with M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the
world?
> > PaulW
>

> Not even remotely! There are boatloads of better speaker manufacturers.
> Zip
> --
> LETS GO KNICKS
> Sunshine Stereo, Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-757-9358
> 9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-757-1367
> Conrad Johnson Cal Audio Labs Spectron Parasound PASS Labs Gallo Davis
> Audible Illusions Straightwire Niles Oracle Faroudja Rega Benz-Micro
> Dunlavy Lexicon Zenith VUTEC EAD CleanLines Monster RUNCO ESP PS Audio
> Nakamichi Genelec Solid Steel Camelot Salamander Audio Logic Seleco PSB

Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55CFD12.222D4%opera...@worldjazz.com...

> in article sjden44...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 5:30:
>
> > Besides, of all the recording studios I've been in, none of them use
M&K. Of
> > all the professional mixers, engineers, and producers I know or have
heard
> > of, none of them use M&K. Quit talking out of your ass, McCarty. Of
course
> > if you have proof (which I've been asking about for 2 years) then let's
see
> > it.
>
> http://www.millerandkreiselsound.com/mkindex.html
>
> Read it and weep, dragonugget

Why would I weep? Does this web page feature a picture of your ass?


Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews of
M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON M&K'S
WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews of
their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.


Where's your proof that M&K's are used in all recording studios on the
planet, McCarty?? Or are you just piss drunk again? Lay off the Fosters,
Mate. Your wallaby needs lovin'.

Paul Widner

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I don't see any of your proof Paul, why don't you practice what you preach
man.


PaulW

Paul Dragon <pdra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>
> Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message

> news:B55D0A9B.22301%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> > in article sjdimno...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> > pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 6:38:


> >
> > > Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews
> of
> > > M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON
> M&K'S
> > > WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews
of
> > > their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.
> >

Steve Zipser

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Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B55CFE72.222D7%opera...@worldjazz.com...

>
> You're on the right track. M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
> professionals is legendary.


...as is their lack of making a listenable speaker. Ten minutes in a room
with M&K's and you have a headache and your ears are ringing. Very harsh,
cold, sterile sounding speakers.

However, there is a handful of recording studios that use M&K's. They figure
if they can make the music sound good on M&K then it will sound good on
anything.

Lynn Little

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:25:00 GMT, "Brian L. McCarty"
<opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote:

>in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
>pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:


>
>> Paradigm Reference
>> PSB
>> B&W
>> NHT
>> Sound Dynamics
>> Monitor Audio
>> Phase Technology
>
>

>Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
>monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An
>important point.
>
>

Paul Dragon

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Health Nut speaks the truth. After all, M&K are 'magazine ad' speakers. They
are self proclaimed 'the best speakers in the world' so people that don't
know the facts take it for face value and think M&K's are the best thing
going. Hey...sounds kinda like Bose...our other favorite crappy speakers!

>
> > What's wrong with
> > M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?
> >
> >
> > PaulW
>

Paul Dragon

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What do you want me to prove? That McCarty is a blithering idiot? I don't
need to do that...he does that himself. You want me to prove that he doesn't
have a clue about what he's talking about? Well anybody who knows anything
knows that.


Paul Widner <pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote in message

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Steve Zipser

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[This followup was posted to alt.home-theater.misc and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article <iACZ4.136$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
says...


> you know what? i just love how objective everyone in this group is! What
> is wrong with M&K speaker? What do you guys think of Atlantic Technology
> speakers? Let's get some real facts and not one liners.

Bright, harsh, tinny, inaccurate in both time and frequency domain, flat
two dimensional imaging, just simply not nice to listen to.

PSB and Paradigm both make dramatically better sounding speakers.
Anything else you want to know about them?

Paul Dragon

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Paul Widner <pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote in message
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> wow, ive been away for months now, I come back and i see Paul is still
> the same! good to see some things dont change. :-) What's wrong

with
> M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?


Not hardly! After spending the last 12 years or so becoming very familiar
with many high quality speakers, I find the M&K's very thin and cold
sounding. They do okay for movies where premium sound quality is not a
priority, but very poor for music. I suppose that (along with the fact that
M&K gave them a FAT check) is why Lucasfilm uses them at Skywalker. After
all, they are not mixing musical recordings so they don't need a high
quality monitor.

Paul Dragon

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Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
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> in article EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net, Paul Widner at
> pwi...@imagetag.com wrote on 6/2/00 9:41 AM:

>
> > wow, ive been away for months now, I come back and i see Paul is
still
> > the same!
>
> If you've been away months, Paul Dragonugget ISN'T the same. He's
actually
> three closed email accounts later! The guy is such a schmuck he can't
even
> post from Yahoo without them closing down his sorry ass.

Wow. That's news to me. I don't suppose you can PROVE this? I thought not

[que bullshit paragraph that McFatty made up]


>
> You are right in one respect, however. . .he still can't provide one
> scintilla of proof that he has an "EE" degree!

I have already proven it, sorry you missed it.

You, on the other hand, have yet to prove that your mother had any children
that lived.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Randy Howard

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In article <20000601235201...@ng-fc1.aol.com>, dig...@aol.com
says...
> As I can get most hi-end speakers
> on accomodation (ie price is not an issue here), I was hoping for some real
> advice in this newsgroup...

Well heck, why didn't you say so? :-)

Go look at CAT (California Audio Technology). Supposedly Herbie
Hancock is putting them in his personal studio. They're pricy
as hell, but as you say, price is not an issue.

--
Randy Howard

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Brian L. McCarty

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in article EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net, Paul Widner at
pwi...@imagetag.com wrote on 6/2/00 9:41 AM:

> wow, ive been away for months now, I come back and i see Paul is still
> the same!

If you've been away months, Paul Dragonugget ISN'T the same. He's actually
three closed email accounts later! The guy is such a schmuck he can't even
post from Yahoo without them closing down his sorry ass.

You are right in one respect, however. . .he still can't provide one


scintilla of proof that he has an "EE" degree!


BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


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Brian L. McCarty

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>The last time you had anything to do with a PRO was the last time you got
laid.

Ain't that the truth!

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Brian

Brian L. McCarty

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> M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
>professionals is legendary.

"Legendary"...BWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I've been reading too many M&K promos again. Actually they rank along side my
favorite speaker.......Bose!



Brian

Digdom1

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Jun 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/2/00
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Gosh, thanks for all the insightful, mature and salient feedback.

You guys have too much time on your hands.

I should let you know that:
I used to run ILM and Skywalker Sound (1985-1992)
I used to sell Hi End Audio (1975-1978)
I was a film sound mixer (1979-1982)
I mixed lots of bands on the road (Miles Davis 1969-1971)

and I now run Digital Domain, a digital effects studio in LA.

I have pretty good ears... and at present my speakers consist of 10 year old
M&K's (S-1B's; S-100, S-2B sub). They have been quite satisfactory for the
last ten years, but I was looking to update. As I can get most hi-end speakers


on accomodation (ie price is not an issue here), I was hoping for some real

advice in this newsgroup... but, gosh you guys act like adolescents.. please
just some recommends so that I can audition new speakers! Please!

The Z Man

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"Steve Zipser" <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Not even remotely! There are boatloads of better speaker manufacturers.

Zip (and others), what do you think of the Infinity speakers, specifically
the RS10's? I was thinking of using a pair of RS10's with a CC3 and a pair
of RS3's. Comments?

Paul Dragon

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The Z Man <z...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sjf89ld...@corp.supernews.com...

>
> Zip (and others), what do you think of the Infinity speakers, specifically
> the RS10's? I was thinking of using a pair of RS10's with a CC3 and a pair
> of RS3's. Comments?


Infinity pretty much fits in with the other mass produced, cookie cutter,
consumer oriented, megastore speakers like Polk, Cerwin Vega, or JBL. They
are not terrible, but you can do much better with the same or a little more
money with specialty speakers like Paradigm, PSB, or B&W. These companies
spend their money on R&D to make a better speaker instead of spending it on
marketing and magazine ads. You won't find any of the cost cutting shortcuts
in these speakers like you find in the other above mentioned companies.
Things like cheaper cabinets, cheaper crossovers, and drivers built by the
lowest bidder in Korea are non-existant in a specialty speaker company.

Chris Humphrey

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Fact is, I love my 750THX system. If it's trash, cool. But I auditioned
several, and I liked these best FOR THE MONEY. Are they the best out there?
Nope. But for the money, I liked these the best of the ones I listened to.

Speakers are so subjective that we always have to endure this pissing contest.
Take them home, listen to them. Compare the differences with the prices and
make a decision. Reviews are good, but they are other folks. Obviously, you
will have a hard time getting intelligent dialog about them in this thread.

Paul Widner wrote:

> you know what? i just love how objective everyone in this group is! What
> is wrong with M&K speaker? What do you guys think of Atlantic Technology
> speakers? Let's get some real facts and not one liners.
>

> PaulW


>
> Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.13a0be333...@news.mco.bellsouth.net...

> > In article <EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
> > says...

> > > What's wrong with M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the
> world?

> > > PaulW


> >
> > Not even remotely! There are boatloads of better speaker manufacturers.
> > Zip

Dennis's News

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Jun 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/3/00
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I think the M&K are pretty decent, but prefer Paradigm, Psb, Energy, and
Atlantic Tech over them.


Dennis

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jerry...@motorola.com

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Jun 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/7/00
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Speakers are all a matter of personal taste. Take some of your favorite
music CDs and a DVD or two which you are familiar and give them all a
listen. I did the same a while back and I listened to Klipsch, M&K,
Paradigm Studio/60, NHT, Phase Technology, and PSB.

I thought the Phase Technology were terrible. Klipsch is an acquired
taste. I really liked the Paradigm and M&K. I decided to buy the M&K
S-125 front, S-125C center, and MX-125 MarkII subwoofer. So far I have
really enjoyed the setup with both music and movies.

Don't rule out any speaker because of what someone else thinks - use
your own ears, after all it will be you listening to them at home.


/Jerry Vauk


> Paradigm Reference
> PSB
> B&W
> NHT
> Sound Dynamics
> Monitor Audio
> Phase Technology
>

> This is just a short list of the speakers that put M&K to shame.
>


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Mike Maguire

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Jun 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/8/00
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I have not yet had the opprotunity to aduition all the speakers I want to,
partly becuase I have to drive to another city for some speaker dealers.
How do the PSB Silver i speakers rate?

Mike


John Noland wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> If you get the chance, you should try to audition the Alon Centris system.
> It is as good a HT system as I've heard at 4,000 w/ sub. I think the only
> one's I've heard that are as good or better are an Aerial Acoustics system
> (the best center channel I've heard) or a B&W 801/802 system. I personally
> also like KEF's Reference Series. All are worth an audition.
>
> "Digdom1" <dig...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000601235201...@ng-fc1.aol.com...

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MTRIPL

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Don't forget to checkout Snell. I have a pair of SE5s as fronts, a CR5 center,
K-5s in the rear and two Velodyne CT-120 subs and LOVE it!!!

tom brennan

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Jun 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/9/00
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IMO the best HT speakers are small format motion picture speakers like
Altec A7s, A7-500s, A5s or various JBL pro systems such as a 4560
basshorn combined with a 2420 or 2440 compression driver with a suitable
horn and lens. Many DIY combinations using Altec, JBL, TAD and Radian
components are available to the experimenter. Such rigs are
uncompromised in clarity and dynamics and have great realism. A side
benefit of such rigs is their high efficiency, generally around
105-110db with 1 watt, allowing the use of lower powered amplifiers,
these systems have crushing dynamics using only 5 watts or so. The setup
I use in my basement would do a 400 seat theater so it's really cruising
effortlessly down there, most of the time using about 1/50th of a watt
and giving effortless sound and Big Tone with no strain. Once used to
such a rig conventional hi-fi speakers sound dull, muddy, congested and
strained, to me anyway.
Tom Brennan

http://community.webtv.net/irishtom/TommysHornSpeaker


Paul Dragon

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Jun 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/9/00
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It's just too bad most humans can't live with two speakers that are 5' wide
and 10' tall and sound like total shit in a home listening environment. If
you can only hear a range from 2000 hz to 6000 hz then I guess horns would
be nice, but most of us don't have that problem.


tom brennan <iris...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Seegirt

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>I really like the Silver i's. I also like the Bronze i's and the Gold i's. I
>would probably go for the Bronze's myself, as I think they're a better "bang
>for the buck" than the Silvers. Both are excellent though, I'm just a bit
>price conscious.

Ahhhh, but none of these compare to KLH .
KLH has been making speakers for years and they make really good ones for like
loud music and movies and shit.

Stewart Pinkerton

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see...@aol.com (Seegirt) writes:

Tha last word says it all about KLH.............

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is art, audio is engineering


Steve Zipser

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In article <20000610055101...@ng-ci1.aol.com>,
see...@aol.com says...

> >I really like the Silver i's. I also like the Bronze i's and the Gold i's. I
> >would probably go for the Bronze's myself, as I think they're a better "bang
> >for the buck" than the Silvers. Both are excellent though, I'm just a bit
> >price conscious.
>
> Ahhhh, but none of these compare to KLH .
> KLH has been making speakers for years and they make really good ones for like
> loud music and movies and shit.
>

I think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for cinema or
music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company over 30 years
ago.
Zip
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Will

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Henry Kloss not Klipsch

In article <MPG.13ac0d754...@news.mia.bellsouth.net>,
Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote:

>I think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for
cinema or
>music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company
over 30 years
>ago.
>Zip
>--
>Sunshine Stereo, Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-
757-9358
>9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-
757-1367
>Conrad Johnson Cal Audio Labs Spectron Parasound PASS Labs
Gallo Davis
>Audible Illusions Straightwire Niles Oracle Faroudja Rega
Benz-Micro
>Dunlavy Lexicon Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines Monster RUNCO ESP
PS Audio
>Nakamichi Genelec Solid Steel Camelot Salamander Audio Logic
Seleco PSB
>
>


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Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)

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Toooooooo early on a Saturday morning! KLOSSSSSSSS
Zip


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trotsky

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Steve Zipser wrote:
>
> In article <20000610055101...@ng-ci1.aol.com>,
> see...@aol.com says...
> > >I really like the Silver i's. I also like the Bronze i's and the Gold i's. I
> > >would probably go for the Bronze's myself, as I think they're a better "bang
> > >for the buck" than the Silvers. Both are excellent though, I'm just a bit
> > >price conscious.
> >
> > Ahhhh, but none of these compare to KLH .
> > KLH has been making speakers for years and they make really good ones for like
> > loud music and movies and shit.
> >
>
> I think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for cinema or
> music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company over 30 years
> ago.
>


There is no such person as "Henry Klipsch". Perhaps you are thinking of
Henry Kloss, the guy that started the company?

Steve Zipser

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In article <394279E2...@mc.net>, gsi...@mc.net says...

See my follow-up post where I already acknowleged that fact, but thanks
anyway

Randy Howard

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In article <20000610221749...@ng-fw1.aol.com>, see...@aol.com
says...

> > think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for cinema or
> >music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company over 30 years
>
> This is propoganda from high end dealer pond scum. KLH still makes great
> speakers and Costco even sells them.
> I know, I had a pair once and sold them for like a lot of cash. They even have
> ones with like 15" woofers.
>

If they made them with 20" woofers would they be even better? Come on, you
know better than that. If you want to claim that in your opinion they are
good for the price, fine. Don't try to claim they are "BEST", as in the
subject line on this thread.

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