Could you recommend speakers that I should audition?
This is just a short list of the speakers that put M&K to shame.
Digdom1 <dig...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Please provide a list of them, along with pictures. That's all we ask. Thank
you.
ONE studio that made 4 movies does not count.
>in article t6idjskqa6g12tsgc...@4ax.com, Lynn Little at
>loli...@swbell.net wrote on 2/6/00 6:37:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Try http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/, especially Studio 1.
>
>Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,
>specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms. It's funny how
>bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted with professional use
>of a product they don't sell, as they realize this is an important
>testimonial.
>
>
>Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
>Zipser is a scammer http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=368363274
>Zipser is a cheater http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
>Zipser is a THIEF http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=509980240
>Zippie SOCKPUPPETS http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
Brian,
Abbey Road Studios (per their web site) uses B&W speakers in
Studio 1, Studio 3, their Penthouse Studio and their mobile recording
studios. The only studio they don't use B&W speakers in is Studio 2.
Your first reply to this thread said, "Funny, but none of
these speakers is used by professionals to mix and monitor the sound.
M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An important
point." This was in reference to a list that included B&W speakers.
I don't understand the "Of course, Lynn." in:
"Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,
specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms. It's funny
how bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted with
professional use of a product they don't sell, as they realize this is
an important testimonial."
> Brian,
>
> Try http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/, especially Studio 1.
HAHAHHAAA!! Now that was too funny! McCarty opens mouth, inserts foot!
> Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews of
> M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON M&K'S
> WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews of
> their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.
If you look at your browser, you will note an area known as a "scroll bar".
Utilizing this computer tool, you can actually MOVE the page up so that you
can see the extensive use of M&K speakers at Lucasfilm, the premier audio
mixing facility.
Note also that the "reviews" you object to are not M&K's reviews, but links
to reviews in Stereophile, Mix, and other audio publications.
Note also that Paradigm's are used in NO recording studios ANYWHERE on the
planet.
Now maybe you'd like to explain to the group AGAIN why your email addresses
pdra...@yahoo.com, pdra...@yahoo.com, and pdra...@yahoo.com have been
CANCELLED by them!
No, it is not a major studio - it is a black hole for money - it is a ripoff
certification program so George Lucas can fill up his already deep pockets,
and if you really were a pro, you'd know this! In fact, speaking of
ripoffs - its kinda like your studio, Brian. Besides, Lucas got the
speakers for free for promotional purposes. When I was out there they sure
were NOT using M&K speakers, Bozo! Try again!
> > The requirements of the audio professional do not always coinside with
that
> > of music lovers and audiophiles
>
> Then why do you incessently hawk those Genelec's, who's ONLY use is in
> studios?
>
> Because you're a SALESHACK, lying and scamming!
No, dummy, because Genelec make versions of their powered speakers for home
theater use. If you really were a pro, you'd already know this! They have
been reviewed in several major publications like Stereophile - in fact J
Gordon Holt did the review. They have also been raved about in Home Theater
Magazine. Perhaps, if you took your head out of your arse, you'd know these
things ;-)
BTW, Brian, your links are all bogus - as is your complete being ;-)
>
> Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
> Zipser is a scammer http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=368363274
> Zipser is a cheater http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
> Zipser is a THIEF http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=509980240
> Zippie SOCKPUPPETS http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
Not one of them work, maybe its time for you to get a life?
Zip
> M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
> professionals is legendary.
It has to be legendary - because it sure aint in reality, Brian. They are
garbage - but they are still better than the Bose you use in your make
believe studio ;-)
> Of course, Lynn. M&K's are used in dozens of the high end studios,
name them
> specifically in smaller "home theatre" type mixing rooms.
Horse shit!\
> It's funny how bent out of shape the SALESHACKS get when confronted
> with professional use of a product they don't sell, as they realize this
is an important
> testimonial.
The last time you had anything to do with a PRO was when the last time you
got laid.
Where are all these studios? Name them.
I can name at least twenty studios using Dunlavy another twenty using B&W,
and a couple using PSB. NONE of them use M&K!
Zip
Wow. One studio. HAAHAAAAHAA!!!! That's far from 'every studio on the
planet', Slapnuts.
>
> Note also that the "reviews" you object to are not M&K's reviews, but
links
> to reviews in Stereophile, Mix, and other audio publications.
>
>
> Note also that Paradigm's are used in NO recording studios ANYWHERE on the
> planet.
Can you offer any proof of this? Of course you can't.
>
> Now maybe you'd like to explain to the group AGAIN why your email
addresses
> pdra...@yahoo.com, pdra...@yahoo.com, and pdra...@yahoo.com have
been
> CANCELLED by them!
Can you offer any proof of this? Of course you can't, because you pulled it
out of your ass...complete with a fake explaination that was in fact typed
up by YOU. I find it sad that you have so much free time.
Home theater is not the same thing as a recording studio, nimrod. They use
those big ass JBL speakers at concerts, but how many homes do you see with
them in it?
Besides, of all the recording studios I've been in, none of them use M&K. Of
all the professional mixers, engineers, and producers I know or have heard
of, none of them use M&K. Quit talking out of your ass, McCarty. Of course
if you have proof (which I've been asking about for 2 years) then let's see
it. But since you seem to clam up when asked for proof, I don't think we'll
be hearing from you again on this subject. Ta ta.
> Paradigm Reference
> PSB
> B&W
> NHT
> Sound Dynamics
> Monitor Audio
> Phase Technology
Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An
important point.
PaulW
Paul Dragon <pdra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
> news:B55CF5AB.22285%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> > in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> > pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:
> >
> > > Paradigm Reference
> > > PSB
> > > B&W
> > > NHT
> > > Sound Dynamics
> > > Monitor Audio
> > > Phase Technology
> >
> >
> > Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
> > monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however.
> An
> > important point.
>
Um, DefTech (Definitive Technology)? (I don't know. Just heard
'em a couple of times--not really an audition--and what I heard
sounded pretty good. A bit too "warm" to *my* ears, perhaps.)
Regards,
Jim
--
Jim Seymour | It is wrong always, everywhere and for everyone
jsey...@jimsun.LinxNet.com | to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.
http://home.msen.com/~jimsun | - W. K. Clifford, British philosopher, ca. 1876
> Besides, of all the recording studios I've been in, none of them use M&K. Of
> all the professional mixers, engineers, and producers I know or have heard
> of, none of them use M&K. Quit talking out of your ass, McCarty. Of course
> if you have proof (which I've been asking about for 2 years) then let's see
> it.
http://www.millerandkreiselsound.com/mkindex.html
Read it and weep, dragonugget!
> What's wrong with
> M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?
>
>
> PaulW
They are average ... Nowhere near "some of the best
speakers in the world" There are so many better speakers
in general, especially when you say best in the world...
> That is a lie. There are no major studios using M&K speakers.
Lucasfilm isn't a major studio? What a moron!
> The
> requirements of the audio professional do not always coinside with that
> of music lovers and audiophiles
Then why do you incessently hawk those Genelec's, who's ONLY use is in
studios?
Because you're a SALESHACK, lying and scamming!
Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
> I'm about to purchase a new 5.1 speaker set up. I am now listening to M&K
> 1B's
> and an M&K 100 center channel with an M&K sub S-2B.
> Electronics are Lex MC-1; NAD power (lots )...
You're on the right track. M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
professionals is legendary.
http://www.millerandkreiselsound.com/mkindex.html
PaulW
Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
> says...
> > What's wrong with M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the
world?
> > PaulW
>
> Not even remotely! There are boatloads of better speaker manufacturers.
> Zip
> --
> LETS GO KNICKS
> Sunshine Stereo, Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-757-9358
> 9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-757-1367
> Conrad Johnson Cal Audio Labs Spectron Parasound PASS Labs Gallo Davis
> Audible Illusions Straightwire Niles Oracle Faroudja Rega Benz-Micro
> Dunlavy Lexicon Zenith VUTEC EAD CleanLines Monster RUNCO ESP PS Audio
> Nakamichi Genelec Solid Steel Camelot Salamander Audio Logic Seleco PSB
Why would I weep? Does this web page feature a picture of your ass?
Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews of
M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON M&K'S
WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews of
their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.
Where's your proof that M&K's are used in all recording studios on the
planet, McCarty?? Or are you just piss drunk again? Lay off the Fosters,
Mate. Your wallaby needs lovin'.
PaulW
Paul Dragon <pdra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Brian L. McCarty <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
> news:B55D0A9B.22301%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> > in article sjdimno...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
> > pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 6:38:
> >
> > > Anyway...uh....geee...thanks for sending me to a site that has reviews
> of
> > > M&K's speakers....of course they are favorable reviews, THEY ARE ON
> M&K'S
> > > WEBSITE! Besides, Paradigm has a shit load of more favorable reviews
of
> > > their speakers on their website, and Paradigms are up to date.
> >
>
> You're on the right track. M&Ks are highly respected, and their use by
> professionals is legendary.
...as is their lack of making a listenable speaker. Ten minutes in a room
with M&K's and you have a headache and your ears are ringing. Very harsh,
cold, sterile sounding speakers.
However, there is a handful of recording studios that use M&K's. They figure
if they can make the music sound good on M&K then it will sound good on
anything.
>in article sjd0bid...@corp.supernews.com, Paul Dragon at
>pdra...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/6/00 1:25:
>
>> Paradigm Reference
>> PSB
>> B&W
>> NHT
>> Sound Dynamics
>> Monitor Audio
>> Phase Technology
>
>
>Funny, but none of these speakers is used by professionals to mix and
>monitor the sound. M&K's are used by many worldclass studios, however. An
>important point.
>
>
>Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
>Zipser is a scammer http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=368363274
>Zipser is a cheater http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
>Zipser is a THIEF http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=509980240
>Zippie SOCKPUPPETS http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
>
> > What's wrong with
> > M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the world?
> >
> >
> > PaulW
>
Paul Widner <pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote in message
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In article <iACZ4.136$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
says...
> you know what? i just love how objective everyone in this group is! What
> is wrong with M&K speaker? What do you guys think of Atlantic Technology
> speakers? Let's get some real facts and not one liners.
Bright, harsh, tinny, inaccurate in both time and frequency domain, flat
two dimensional imaging, just simply not nice to listen to.
PSB and Paradigm both make dramatically better sounding speakers.
Anything else you want to know about them?
Not hardly! After spending the last 12 years or so becoming very familiar
with many high quality speakers, I find the M&K's very thin and cold
sounding. They do okay for movies where premium sound quality is not a
priority, but very poor for music. I suppose that (along with the fact that
M&K gave them a FAT check) is why Lucasfilm uses them at Skywalker. After
all, they are not mixing musical recordings so they don't need a high
quality monitor.
Wow. That's news to me. I don't suppose you can PROVE this? I thought not
[que bullshit paragraph that McFatty made up]
>
> You are right in one respect, however. . .he still can't provide one
> scintilla of proof that he has an "EE" degree!
I have already proven it, sorry you missed it.
You, on the other hand, have yet to prove that your mother had any children
that lived.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Well heck, why didn't you say so? :-)
Go look at CAT (California Audio Technology). Supposedly Herbie
Hancock is putting them in his personal studio. They're pricy
as hell, but as you say, price is not an issue.
--
Randy Howard
> wow, ive been away for months now, I come back and i see Paul is still
> the same!
If you've been away months, Paul Dragonugget ISN'T the same. He's actually
three closed email accounts later! The guy is such a schmuck he can't even
post from Yahoo without them closing down his sorry ass.
You are right in one respect, however. . .he still can't provide one
scintilla of proof that he has an "EE" degree!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
---
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo) is a proven:
Ain't that the truth!
BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Brian
"Legendary"...BWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
I've been reading too many M&K promos again. Actually they rank along side my
favorite speaker.......Bose!
Brian
You guys have too much time on your hands.
I should let you know that:
I used to run ILM and Skywalker Sound (1985-1992)
I used to sell Hi End Audio (1975-1978)
I was a film sound mixer (1979-1982)
I mixed lots of bands on the road (Miles Davis 1969-1971)
and I now run Digital Domain, a digital effects studio in LA.
I have pretty good ears... and at present my speakers consist of 10 year old
M&K's (S-1B's; S-100, S-2B sub). They have been quite satisfactory for the
last ten years, but I was looking to update. As I can get most hi-end speakers
on accomodation (ie price is not an issue here), I was hoping for some real
advice in this newsgroup... but, gosh you guys act like adolescents.. please
just some recommends so that I can audition new speakers! Please!
Zip (and others), what do you think of the Infinity speakers, specifically
the RS10's? I was thinking of using a pair of RS10's with a CC3 and a pair
of RS3's. Comments?
>
> Zip (and others), what do you think of the Infinity speakers, specifically
> the RS10's? I was thinking of using a pair of RS10's with a CC3 and a pair
> of RS3's. Comments?
Infinity pretty much fits in with the other mass produced, cookie cutter,
consumer oriented, megastore speakers like Polk, Cerwin Vega, or JBL. They
are not terrible, but you can do much better with the same or a little more
money with specialty speakers like Paradigm, PSB, or B&W. These companies
spend their money on R&D to make a better speaker instead of spending it on
marketing and magazine ads. You won't find any of the cost cutting shortcuts
in these speakers like you find in the other above mentioned companies.
Things like cheaper cabinets, cheaper crossovers, and drivers built by the
lowest bidder in Korea are non-existant in a specialty speaker company.
Speakers are so subjective that we always have to endure this pissing contest.
Take them home, listen to them. Compare the differences with the prices and
make a decision. Reviews are good, but they are other folks. Obviously, you
will have a hard time getting intelligent dialog about them in this thread.
Paul Widner wrote:
> you know what? i just love how objective everyone in this group is! What
> is wrong with M&K speaker? What do you guys think of Atlantic Technology
> speakers? Let's get some real facts and not one liners.
>
> PaulW
>
> Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.13a0be333...@news.mco.bellsouth.net...
> > In article <EpCZ4.133$rE2....@news.uswest.net>, pwi...@imagetag.com
> > says...
> > > What's wrong with M&K? Arent they some of the best speaking in the
> world?
> > > PaulW
> >
> > Not even remotely! There are boatloads of better speaker manufacturers.
> > Zip
Dennis
"Paul Widner" <pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote in message
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I thought the Phase Technology were terrible. Klipsch is an acquired
taste. I really liked the Paradigm and M&K. I decided to buy the M&K
S-125 front, S-125C center, and MX-125 MarkII subwoofer. So far I have
really enjoyed the setup with both music and movies.
Don't rule out any speaker because of what someone else thinks - use
your own ears, after all it will be you listening to them at home.
/Jerry Vauk
> Paradigm Reference
> PSB
> B&W
> NHT
> Sound Dynamics
> Monitor Audio
> Phase Technology
>
> This is just a short list of the speakers that put M&K to shame.
>
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Before you buy.
Mike
John Noland wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> If you get the chance, you should try to audition the Alon Centris system.
> It is as good a HT system as I've heard at 4,000 w/ sub. I think the only
> one's I've heard that are as good or better are an Aerial Acoustics system
> (the best center channel I've heard) or a B&W 801/802 system. I personally
> also like KEF's Reference Series. All are worth an audition.
>
> "Digdom1" <dig...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000601235201...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
http://community.webtv.net/irishtom/TommysHornSpeaker
tom brennan <iris...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Ahhhh, but none of these compare to KLH .
KLH has been making speakers for years and they make really good ones for like
loud music and movies and shit.
Tha last word says it all about KLH.............
--
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is art, audio is engineering
I think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for cinema or
music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company over 30 years
ago.
Zip
--
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9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-757-1367
Conrad Johnson Cal Audio Labs Spectron Parasound PASS Labs Gallo Davis
Audible Illusions Straightwire Niles Oracle Faroudja Rega Benz-Micro
Dunlavy Lexicon Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines Monster RUNCO ESP PS Audio
In article <MPG.13ac0d754...@news.mia.bellsouth.net>,
Steve Zipser <z...@sunshinestereo.com> wrote:
>I think they mostly make speakers for shit, and not much for
cinema or
>music - since the K in KLH (Henry Klipsch) left the company
over 30 years
>ago.
>Zip
>--
>Sunshine Stereo, Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-
757-9358
>9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-
757-1367
>Conrad Johnson Cal Audio Labs Spectron Parasound PASS Labs
Gallo Davis
>Audible Illusions Straightwire Niles Oracle Faroudja Rega
Benz-Micro
>Dunlavy Lexicon Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines Monster RUNCO ESP
PS Audio
>Nakamichi Genelec Solid Steel Camelot Salamander Audio Logic
Seleco PSB
>
>
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"Will" <wilfarN...@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
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There is no such person as "Henry Klipsch". Perhaps you are thinking of
Henry Kloss, the guy that started the company?
See my follow-up post where I already acknowleged that fact, but thanks
anyway
If they made them with 20" woofers would they be even better? Come on, you
know better than that. If you want to claim that in your opinion they are
good for the price, fine. Don't try to claim they are "BEST", as in the
subject line on this thread.