On 5/3/23 6:50 AM, lesliem...@gmail.com
> On Thursday, 27 April 2023 at 10:44:53 UTC-3, Rich Rostrom wrote:
> (stuff deleted)
>>> - Germany is dependent on the USSR for oil and other raw materials. His generals offer the prospect of a 3, maybe 5 month victory, but this may change depending on how extensively Stalin arms.
>> Some of them. Others are much less sanguine. Starting a second front
>> while Britain is undefeated doesn't seem like good idea, except to
>> someone with a severe case of victory disease. OTL, Goering was strongly
>> opposed to BARBAROSSA, but never dared say so to Hitler.
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> OTL, Goering didn't have the information Hitler had.
> Hitler deliberately kept information compartmentalized
> within competing ministries so that he alone had the big
> picture, not to mention he could lie to his subordinates
> in order to further his own preferred course of action. I
> agree Goering was not as reckless as Hitler, but he may
> change his tune once he sees how Stalin is exploiting the
> war against the UK.
I don't see what additional information would make invading
the USSR more desirable.
> That's the problem with the UK at the moment. Goering may
> be convinced he can win, but sooner or later he is going
> to realize he is fighting a war of attrition...
The BoB was a battle of attrition, but by November 1940 it
was over and the Blitz was on. Bomber Command was attacking
Germany, but at this time it was relatively ineffective.
> ...where broadcasts of lopsided victories...
The British government issued wildly exaggerated claims
of bombers shot down.
> ...will be overshadowed by
> knowledge of missing sons, boyfriends, and husbands...
In Britain, knowledge of cities going up in flames or
bombed into ruins.
> not to mention the continued rationing.
Much tighter in Britain (Germany has most of Europe to
loot), and getting worse as the U-boats run wild in early
1941. (In late 1941, the British cracked naval Enigma and
were able to evade the U-boats for six months. But that
was in part due to some lucky captures...)
> Also, the people Goering chooses to staff his government
> are going to matter. IIRC, Goering's staffing of the
> Luftwaffe was poor enough for at least one historian to
> list it as a factor for Germany losing the BoB. Granted,
> Goering should be able to replace Ribbentrop with someone
> more trustworthy, if not more competent. How is Goering
> going to get rid of Himmler without bloodshed?
Easy. in November 1940, Himmler is far less powerful than
> Does Goering trust Bormann?
Bormann is nothing without Hitler.
> Goebbels should be easy enough to trust, or at least monitor.
No problem there.
> Does Goering keep Hitler's "Divide and Rule" approach as a
> guarantee of personal safety, or does he risk allowing
> freer information among his own inner circle so people
> could better offer informed courses of action? What about
> the Holocaust?