Coin used in the Titanic movie
John Mark Lutzke
Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" for the nude
sketch session? The dime is a contemporary one and not from that
era.
The real dime from the Titanic era would have been the "Floating Lady"
or the "Lady of Liberty". The dime they used in the movie did not
resemble either of these, which is kind of funny since they went
to so much trouble to make the movie so realistic, right down to
the china they used in the dining area. All ruined by that modern
dime.
This was pointed out to me by a co-worker of mine named Ken.
I think I'll start calling him "Hawkeye". :-)
He doesn't know exactly which one of the above possibilities it would
have been. Does anyone here know for sure? If you rent it soon, go ahead
and look for it.
Just thought this would be a fun little trivia point.
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Stephen Suffet
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" for the nude
> sketch session? The dime is a contemporary one and not from that
> era.
>
> The real dime from the Titanic era would have been the "Floating Lady"
> or the "Lady of Liberty". The dime they used in the movie did not
> resemble either of these, which is kind of funny since they went
> to so much trouble to make the movie so realistic, right down to
> the china they used in the dining area. All ruined by that modern
> dime.
>
> This was pointed out to me by a co-worker of mine named Ken.
> I think I'll start calling him "Hawkeye". :-)
>
> He doesn't know exactly which one of the above possibilities it would
> have been. Does anyone here know for sure? If you rent it soon, go ahead
> and look for it.
>
> Just thought this would be a fun little trivia point.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> John Mark Lutzke
>
Greetings:
The dime Rose gave Jack in "The Titanic" was exactly what one
would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era. Only the reverse
(tails side) was shown in the movie, perhaps because the one the
studio prop person had was dated later than 1912. Or perhaps because
it was thus possible for the audience to see the words ONE DIME.
The movie certainly was NOT ruined by a modern dime! The coin in
the movie appeared to be in Fine to Very Fine condition, which would
have meant a retail value of $3 to $7, assuming it was one of the com-
mon dates. My feeling is that even if the producers had to pay $1,000
for a coin of the proper period, they would have done so, considering
the fact they spent $200,000,000 to make the movie.
The obverse (heads side) would have shown a right facing profile
of Miss Liberty surrounded by the words UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with
the date at the bottom.
The Barber Dime was named after its designer, Charles E. Barber.
I have never heard of Floating Lady Dime or a Lady of Liberty
Dime, and I have been collecting US type coins since 1956.
Regards,
Steve
vince garcia
as CLEARLY being a Barber dime, yet I've seen people post that they've
seen everything from a dime with Cameron's face on it to a Roosevelt
dime. Are there some people with bad eyesight out there, or what?
v
kskei...@my-dejanews.com
Suf...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> John Mark Lutzke wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" ... is a contemporary
> > one and not from that era.
> >
> would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era.
I don't know what anyone else does, but today, when I travel to Europe, I
don't take any U.S. currency (or coins) with me. What would I use it for?
From a historical accuracy standpoint I'm given to wonder whether any wealthy
American tourist in 1912 would have been likely to carry a pocket (or purse)
full of change with them on a trip to Europe.
Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had U.S.
coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to have
used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
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Chris Davis
A quarter is flipped and you are shown a close up of it slowly spinning to a
halt (close enough to see it's a 1972 quarter). Closer inspection shows
that the obverse and reverse are both oriented the same way, not rotated 180
degrees as a normal US coin!
Snakebert
it was hard to tell what it was, considering the way Rose was holding the
coin at the top between, obscuring part of the view. Anyway I can't imagine
why people like to make such a big fuss about things.
vince garcia wrote in message <3607EC...@ix.netcom.com>...
Paige Miller
>
> I must confess to being puzzled over this. I saw the dime from day one
> as CLEARLY being a Barber dime, yet I've seen people post that they've
> seen everything from a dime with Cameron's face on it to a Roosevelt
The dime appears for about one-half second in the movie. People do NOT
get a good look at it anyway, as Rose's fingers obscure part of the
coin and furthermore, most people are not familiar with the coinage
from 1912. In this situation, one sees what one wants to see, rather
than what is actually there. The first time I saw the movie, I saw the
obverse of a Barber dime (knowing full well that any silver coin that
size aboard Titanic was probably a Barber coin so this may have
colored my judgment), but other posters say only the reverse was
visible. Running the scene through on my VCR, I will swear that the
obverse is visible and bet next year's salary too.
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Scott Bensyl
Ah, finally an opportunity to put this thread right in terms of
discussing the *history* of the *ocean-liner Titanic*! If you want an
informative look at what *some* of the Titanic's real passengers were
carrying, check out the list of bodies recovered by the Mackay-Bennett
and the Minia shortly after the disaster.
The body identified (erroneously?) as Chief Purser Herbert McElroy,
who was Irish and not an American citizen, is shown to have had "50
cents" in his pocket, among other things. If this was indeed McElroy,
with his being an Irish citizen, I find it completely plausible for
*American* citizens to have been carrying U.S. currency....J.J. Astor
was, but I think it was mostly bills:)
Regards,
Scott/LV
Louis Epstein
: In article <3607E4...@worldnet.att.net>,
: Suf...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
: > John Mark Lutzke wrote:
: > >
: > > Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" ... is a contemporary
: > > one and not from that era.
: > >
: > The dime Rose gave Jack in "The Titanic" was exactly what one
: > would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era.
:
: I don't know what anyone else does, but today, when I travel to Europe, I
: don't take any U.S. currency (or coins) with me. What would I use it for?
Exchange it?
: From a historical accuracy standpoint I'm given to wonder whether any wealthy
: American tourist in 1912 would have been likely to carry a pocket (or purse)
: full of change with them on a trip to Europe.
I don't think they had travelers' checks back then.
: Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had U.S.
: coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to have
: used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
Remember,they were returning to the USA,they might have just gotten the
money in change...I'm sure the ship had foreign exchange.
: Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
JEFFREY L CHRISTLIEB
After reading all the posts on this subject, yours was the most accurate
one, I doubt I could have said it better myself. --Jeff
p...@pa.msu.edu
>Hello everyone:
>
>Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" for the nude
>era.
>
>The real dime from the Titanic era would have been the "Floating Lady"
>or the "Lady of Liberty". The dime they used in the movie did not
>resemble either of these, which is kind of funny since they went
>to so much trouble to make the movie so realistic, right down to
>the china they used in the dining area. All ruined by that modern
>dime.
>
>This was pointed out to me by a co-worker of mine named Ken.
>I think I'll start calling him "Hawkeye". :-)
>
>He doesn't know exactly which one of the above possibilities it would
>have been. Does anyone here know for sure? If you rent it soon, go ahead
>and look for it.
>
>Just thought this would be a fun little trivia point.
>
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>John Mark Lutzke
>
appears here that people are seeing different things when viewing the
sketch payment scene. Your friend thinks it's a Roosevelt dime. Donn thinks
it's a Barber with the date obscured by Rose's finger. Steve thinks it's
the reverse of a Barber. Myself (after putting the scene on pause), I see a
Barber obverse, with the top of the head being the point at which it's
gripped. Unfortunately, the date is not discernible because the resolution
is not high enough.
However, it was reported in a coin paper not too long ago, that the coin
was indeed a 1912 Barber dime in AU condition, and was subsequently placed
in a keychain for director James Cameron. I think they should've used a
1911 or earlier dime myself. After all, I rarely see the year's first dime
in circulation before March. What are the odds that a new 1912 dime
could've gotten over to England by April?
BTW, anyone know how authentic the paper money was? I'm not that familiar
with the designs of the time, but it just looked "fake" to me.
Dan
Stephen Suffet
Greetings:
Dan is right, and my memory was wrong. What is shown is the
OBVERSE of a Barber Dime with the date hidden by the way it is held.
Sorry.
That having been said, my main point stands: it is the correct
coin for the time period!
Regards again,
Steve
icepi...@cac.net
Paige Miller <str...@netacc.net> wrote:
<snipped> In this situation, one sees what one wants to see, rather
> than what is actually there. <snipped>
> Paige Miller
> str...@netacc.net
>
>
I dont know about you all, but my eyes were not on a coin in that scene!
1 hr. with Rose and then Lord, you can take me!!
--
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Kurt J
Joe Knapp
kskei...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6u94am$kao$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> The dime Rose gave Jack in "The Titanic" was exactly what one
>> would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era.
>
>I don't know what anyone else does, but today, when I travel to Europe, I
>don't take any U.S. currency (or coins) with me. What would I use it for?
The RMS Titanic exhibit features some US Notes retrieved from the
wreckage, which had been preserved in a leather billfold.
Joe
M. Perry
> However, it was reported in a coin paper not too long ago, that the coin
> was indeed a 1912 Barber dime in AU condition, and was subsequently placed
> in a keychain for director James Cameron. I think they should've used a
> 1911 or earlier dime myself. After all, I rarely see the year's first dime
> in circulation before March. What are the odds that a new 1912 dime
> could've gotten over to England by April?
>
> BTW, anyone know how authentic the paper money was? I'm not that familiar
> with the designs of the time, but it just looked "fake" to me.
OH FOR GOD'S SAKE! Would you mind terribly taking this over to
alt.movies.titanic?
Mark
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kskei...@my-dejanews.com
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> kskei...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : In article <3607E4...@worldnet.att.net>,
> : Suf...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> : > John Mark Lutzke wrote:
> : > >
> : > > one and not from that era.
> : > The dime Rose gave Jack in "The Titanic" was exactly what one
> : > would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era.
> :
> : I don't know what anyone else does, but today, when I travel to Europe, I
> : don't take any U.S. currency (or coins) with me. What would I use it for?
>
Most banks don't convert coins.
>
> : From a historical accuracy standpoint I'm given to wonder whether any
wealthy
> : American tourist in 1912 would have been likely to carry a pocket (or purse)
> : full of change with them on a trip to Europe.
>
> I don't think they had travelers' checks back then.
They most certainly did. I've seen Wells Fargo travellers cheques of that
vintage and older.
>
> : Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had U.S.
> : coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to
have
> : used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
>
> Remember,they were returning to the USA,
No kidding, really?
> they might have just gotten the
> money in change...I'm sure the ship had foreign exchange.
But can you prove it.
--
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Paige Miller
>
> In article <36081FDE...@netacc.net>,
> Paige Miller <str...@netacc.net> wrote:
> <snipped> In this situation, one sees what one wants to see, rather
> > than what is actually there. <snipped>
> > Paige Miller
> > str...@netacc.net
> >
> >
> I dont know about you all, but my eyes were not on a coin in that scene!
> 1 hr. with Rose and then Lord, you can take me!!
While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
Paige Miller
> Dan is right, and my memory was wrong. What is shown is the
> OBVERSE of a Barber Dime with the date hidden by the way it is held.
> Sorry.
On my video tape on my VCR, the date on the coin is at the bottom of
the coin, not obscured by Rose's fingers. The top of the coin is
obscured by Rose's fingers. I cannot read the date on the coin.
Gp lenexa
Maybe he meant Jack Lord ... Book him Dan-o - murder one ... .)
> I dont know about you all, but my eyes were not on a coin in that scene!
>> 1 hr. with Rose and then Lord, you can take me!!
>
>While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
>why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
Geri
"Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try."
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just as we choose."
Louis Epstein
: icepi...@cac.net wrote:
: >
: > In article <36081FDE...@netacc.net>,
: > Paige Miller <str...@netacc.net> wrote:
: > <snipped> In this situation, one sees what one wants to see, rather
: > > than what is actually there. <snipped>
: > > Paige Miller
: > > str...@netacc.net
: > >
: > I dont know about you all, but my eyes were not on a coin in that scene!
: > 1 hr. with Rose and then Lord, you can take me!!
:
: While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
: why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
Huh?
He wants to see WALTER Lord...
icepi...@cac.net
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> Paige Miller (str...@netacc.net) wrote:
>
> :
> : While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
> : why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
>
> Huh?
> He wants to see WALTER Lord...
>
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>In article <EzsvJ...@news2.new-york.net>,
> l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
>> Paige Miller (str...@netacc.net) wrote:
> >
>> :
>> : While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
>> : why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
>>
>> Huh?
>> He wants to see WALTER Lord...
>>
>Who is Stanley or Walter Lord???
>
Walter Lord wrote "A Night to Remember", the definitive account of the
sinking of the Titanic, on which the 1958 movie of the same name was
based. See http://amazon.com/ if you want to buy a copy, it's nearly
always in print.
--
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http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
vince garcia
out why a ship would be firing rockets.
v
Charles Groark
Gp lenexa wrote:
> Maybe he meant Jack Lord ... Book him Dan-o - murder one ... .)
>
> > I dont know about you all, but my eyes were not on a coin in that scene!
> >> 1 hr. with Rose and then Lord, you can take me!!
> >
> >While I understand the reference to 1 hr with Rose, I don't understand
> >why you wish Stanley Lord to take you...
First, I resent the implication that Jack Lord might have had the slightest
interest in 'taking' this guy.
Second, since Jack Lord died some time ago, it's even sicker...
Charlie (tongue planted *very* firmly in cheek)
Chris Nyborg
Charles Groark wrote<360AD740...@ibm.net>...
[snip]
>First, I resent the implication that Jack Lord might have had the slightest
>interest in 'taking' this guy.
>
>Second, since Jack Lord died some time ago, it's even sicker...
>
>Charlie (tongue planted *very* firmly in cheek)
I hope that's your own cheek you're talking about, Charlie.
Chris Nyborg
cny...@online.no
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M. Perry
please please please please please please please please please please
take this discussion to alt.movies.titanic....
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Andrys D Basten
Actually, this one did have something to do with history. The folks here
probably know more about what the older coins looked like than the other
group :)
One thing: at least the coin and sheet-music titles give warning ;)
- A
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M. Perry
> Actually, this one did have something to do with history. The folks here
> probably know more about what the older coins looked like than the other
> group :)
>
> One thing: at least the coin and sheet-music titles give warning ;)
>
Yes, but when something has been brought up endlessly to the point of
nuisance in a history group, it's time to PROTEST!
Mark
Andrys D Basten
M. Perry <MAR...@NOSPAM.postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Andrys D Basten wrote:
>
>> Actually, this one did have something to do with history. The folks here
>> probably know more about what the older coins looked like than the other
>> group :)
>>
>> One thing: at least the coin and sheet-music titles give warning ;)
>>
>
>Yes, but when something has been brought up endlessly to the point of
>nuisance in a history group, it's time to PROTEST!
Ya hafta do what ya hafta do :) But re sheet music, the question was
about a song that was popular in that period, even if a few years earlier.
I'm glad to have seen Tom's reply about the Dover book.
Tony Clayton
> In article <3607E4...@worldnet.att.net>,
> Suf...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> > John Mark Lutzke wrote:
> > >
> > > Did anyone notice the dime that "Rose" gave "Jack" ... is a contemporary
> > > one and not from that era.
> > >
> > The dime Rose gave Jack in "The Titanic" was exactly what one
> > would expect, a Barber Dime of the 1892-1916 era.
>
> I don't know what anyone else does, but today, when I travel to Europe, I
> don't take any U.S. currency (or coins) with me. What would I use it for?
When I travel to Europe by ferry I carry UK coins as well as French or Spanish coins
(I have just come back from Bilbao through a very choppy Bay of Biscay)
On the ferry you can use either pounds or pesetas, although the usual currency is pounds.
In a journey of a week or so across the Atlantic you would need currency.
No doubt both UK and US coins were accepted on board.
> From a historical accuracy standpoint I'm given to wonder whether any wealthy
> American tourist in 1912 would have been likely to carry a pocket (or purse)
> full of change with them on a trip to Europe.
Having a couple of dimes hardly constitutes a pocketful
>
> Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had U.S.
> coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to have
> used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
>
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John Schweitzer
Clayton) wrote:
>> Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had U.S.
>> coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to have
>> used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
US Coins would have been handy for tips once the ship arrived in NY
(although of course it never did),
I understand the body of John Jackob Astor was recovered and over $
1,000 in US paper money was found in his wallet.
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
> US Coins would have been handy for tips once the ship arrived in NY
> (although of course it never did),
Charges for incidental expenses on board were listed in both British
and U.S. currency. The normal fees for use of the baths -- Turkish,
electric and swimming -- were 4 shillings or 1 U.S. dollar. (The swimming
bath was free for gentlemen only early in the morning.)
> I understand the body of John Jackob Astor was recovered and over $
> 1,000 in US paper money was found in his wallet.
Yes -- $2,440 in U.S. currency, L225 in English bank notes, L5 in gold,
7 shillings and 50 francs in coinage. Apparently no U.S. coinage.
------------> AH
William J. Leary Jr.
> Let's just say I'm skeptical that anyone on the Titanic would have had
U.S.
> coins in their pocket change. I think it would have been more accurate to
have
> used a sixpence or a shilling in the movie.
I know it's not "tourist," but my father served in the Pacific during WWII.
Years back when he came across the shoe box where he dumped all his pocket
change, bills, random hotel tickets and so forth, we found a small quantity
of money from pretty much everywhere he went ashore and had to interact with
the public (that is, didn't stay on an allied base). It even included a few
US coins he's carried from the US and all through service and back home
again. I asked if he'd kept them as momentos. He said, no, it just ran
against the grain to throw away money, even though he new he'd never be able
to use it again.
I think it entirely likely that a US citizen traveling to Europe and back
would have US currency and coin in their possession throughout the trip.
- Bill