Rose's cabin
Dan Frechette
Titanic but I was reading "Titanic an illustrated history" and found
something that was interresting to me. Look on page 57. There is a floor
plan of some cabins on the Titanic. If you look just to the lower right
of the circled cabins you will see b-52, b54, and b56. These were the
cabins that the fictional Rose and the others had (yes, they said the
numbers in the movie). The pictures in the book don't seen to resemble
the movie version of the room. Imagine that. Anyway I thought it was
kind of interresting.
Andrys D Basten
Dan Frechette <meta...@diespammerdieearthlink.net> wrote:
>I know most people on this newsgroup are not much into the movie
>Titanic
Some of us are but we don't dare to say so, much :)
>but I was reading "Titanic an illustrated history" and found
>something that was interresting to me. Look on page 57. There is a floor
>plan of some cabins on the Titanic. If you look just to the lower right
>of the circled cabins you will see b-52, b54, and b56. These were the
>cabins that the fictional Rose and the others had (yes, they said the
>numbers in the movie). The pictures in the book don't seen to resemble
>the movie version of the room. Imagine that. Anyway I thought it was
>kind of interresting.
All I remember is that they used the rooms that were to have been used by
JP Morgan, who couldn't make the trip due to sudden illness. But there
isn't much available on the interior so they used similar suites from the
Olympic as models. From what I think I remember. You can see this is very
vague :)
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Janis72
Yes you are right, very interesting. You made me think of something I
noticed in Triumph and Tragedy, look on page 128 and you will see Rose's room
from the movie, nearly identical! The caption states"a luxurious sitting room
augments it's two bedrooms, private bath and trunk room.".I figured Cameron in
trying to be accurate copied this room, you will notice it is nearly identical.
Janis
Polar Bear
: Yes you are right, very interesting. You made me think of something I
Janis, I think it's stated in the behind-the-scenes book
"James Cameron's Titanic" (or some title like that) that Rose's
room was modelled after the room that JP Morgan was to have occupied.
JP Morgan was ill and had skipped the trip.
Blessed be,
Colin.
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Countess
litle robot into. Sort of interesting really, when you see the wreck shots
of the fireplace in that room and know taht that was Ismay's fireplace...
Now if only they could have found A-36...(I know, it probably doesn't exist
anymore, but hey, a girl can dream, can't she?)
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Chris Nyborg
Polar Bear wrote<6p6bs3$9d...@id4.nus.edu.sg>...
[snip]>Janis, I think it's stated in the behind-the-scenes book
>"James Cameron's Titanic" (or some title like that) that Rose's
>room was modelled after the room that JP Morgan was to have occupied.
>JP Morgan was ill and had skipped the trip.
>
>Blessed be,
>Colin.
>--
>Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An it harm none, do what you will.
>
The room is indeed mentioned in "James Cameron's Titanic":
" 'No known photographs exist for the port millionaire suite', explains
Cameron. 'All we know is that the rooms were of a different style than on
the tarboars side, for which a photograph does exist and which clearly shows
the brass hearth.' "
Chris Nyborg
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Polar Bear
: The room is indeed mentioned in "James Cameron's Titanic":
: " 'No known photographs exist for the port millionaire suite', explains
: Cameron. 'All we know is that the rooms were of a different style than on
: the tarboars side, for which a photograph does exist and which clearly shows
: the brass hearth.' "
Thank you Chris!
My books have all been confiscated by my SO (long story) and
I appreciate any and all quotes.. *8=)
B.B.,
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
>
> And so Bruce Ismay took his place--that was the stateroom Cameron sent his
> litle robot into. Sort of interesting really, when you see the wreck shots
> of the fireplace in that room and know taht that was Ismay's fireplace...
Actually, the robot went into the parlor suite on the starboard side, that
ocupied by Mrs. Cardeza (she of the infamous 14 trunks). The cabins were
virtually identical, except for being mirror-reversed opposites of each
other.
----------> Andy Hall
Cpnavatar
>I appreciate any and all quotes.. *8=)
>
>B.B.,
>Colin.
Your wife took all your Titanic books? what did you do?
Don Brynelsen
"Go back to bed lady, everyone knows this ship is unsinkable!"
Countess
saw...then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they got it wrong.
Wait--lemme think. They said they went into the suite Rose stayed in in
the movie--B-52 etc. That was Ismay's suite. And If I remmber correctly
from the movie footage, the door to the suite was on the ROV's right--where
B-52 would be if you approached it from the Grand Staircase.
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PennyBags
they did a good job of recreating the ship. It does not suprise nore intrest
me. If I do ever get around to seeing the movie I will keep my eyes open for
that error.
No disrespect tward you or the movie
Short Stuff
Expect the worst, hope for the best and you'll come out somewhere in between.
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>
> My books have all been confiscated by my SO (long story) and
> I appreciate any and all quotes.. *8=)
...Too much time with the books and not enough with the SO? :)
Dante :)
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Mr Cameron's claims of wanting perfection.
Even something as easily checked as the little cherub from the 1st class
staircase... it was always presented in reverse (photo printed
backwards), but this was not known until the cherub itself was found.
When re-created for thr film, it was reversed again. So much for the
great Mr Cameron.
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
>
> Really? I was sure it was mentioned that it was Ismay's cabin on a doco I
> saw...then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they got it wrong.
> Wait--lemme think. They said they went into the suite Rose stayed in in
> the movie--B-52 etc. That was Ismay's suite. And If I remmber correctly
> from the movie footage, the door to the suite was on the ROV's right--where
> B-52 would be if you approached it from the Grand Staircase.
I will try and find the reference, but I'm sure I recall that they
went into the parlor suite on the starboard side. There's really
no way to tell from the footage in the film, since much of the interior
wreck footage was special effects work shot in a tank, and in any
event they could've easily flopped the film, as was done in the
Southampton sequence. I believe all of the interior footage showing the
ROV -- as opposed to footage shot *from* the ROV -- was special effects
shots, since there was no other camera inside the wreck to shoot it.
-------------> AH
John Stefani
C'mon people, give Mr Cameron a break! Why does everyone here resent
him so much???
So his movie was not *exactly* accurate in every manner imaginable.
With all the debating and disagreement on historical matters relating
to the Titanic, I don't think anyone could ever have presented an
account that everyone agreed was "correct." I'm sure even the
revered "A Night to Remember" has its own inaccuracies too.
Regards,
John
Polar Bear
: Your wife took all your Titanic books? what did you do?
*LOL!*
For one thing, I kept talking about absolutely *nothing* that
wasn't Titanic related for a period of about a month. I kept talking
about how JC did a grave injustice to Murdoch (don't get me wrong..
I loved the movie), about how Violet Jessup survived all three
Olympic-class accidents, about Capt. Smith, and yada yada yada..
And the second factor is that I really should be working on my
thesis instead of reading so many Titanic books and watching so
many documentaries.. so before I've had the chance to read
accounts from Gracie, Ligtholler and the Senate hearing, she decided
that enough was enough and took away all my materials..
Haha! But she forgot about TNLO!! She doesn't lurk here so this
can be our little secret.. *8=)
B.B.
Dan Frechette
>
> Janis72 <jan...@aol.com> wrote:
> : Yes you are right, very interesting. You made me think of something I
> : noticed in Triumph and Tragedy, look on page 128 and you will see Rose's room
> : from the movie, nearly identical! The caption states"a luxurious sitting room
> : augments it's two bedrooms, private bath and trunk room.".I figured Cameron in
> : trying to be accurate copied this room, you will notice it is nearly identical.
> : Janis
>
> "James Cameron's Titanic" (or some title like that) that Rose's
> room was modelled after the room that JP Morgan was to have occupied.
> JP Morgan was ill and had skipped the trip.
>
> Blessed be,
> --
> Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An it harm none, do what you will.
>
"Titanic: An illustrated history" (p57) Bruce Ismay occupied one of
them, which would be b51, b53, and b55 which was directly across the
hall from where "Rose" was staying.I would assume b52,b54,b56 was
origionally the J.P. Morgan suite if the movie was at all accurate.
JETman
>
snip
>
> Haha! But she forgot about TNLO!! She doesn't lurk here so this
> can be our little secret.. *8=)
>
> B.B.
> Colin.
> --
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Dan Frechette wrote<35BBB9...@earthlink.net>...
[snip]
> There were 2 suites that had a private prominade deck. Accourding to
>"Titanic: An illustrated history" (p57) Bruce Ismay occupied one of
>them, which would be b51, b53, and b55 which was directly across the
>hall from where "Rose" was staying.I would assume b52,b54,b56 was
>origionally the J.P. Morgan suite if the movie was at all accurate.
Actually, since J.P. Morgan did not go on the maiden voyage, J. Bruce Ismay
took over his suite. In Cameron's movie, Rose and Cal was placed in this
suite, B-52-54-56.
Mr Thomas Drake Martinez Cardeza occupied the other "Millionaire's Suite",
B-51-53-55, together with his mother Mrs James Warburton Martinez Cardeza
(Charlotte Wardle Drake). His manservant Gustave Lesneur was also with them.
They boarded at Cherbourg.
Cameron avoided any problems this would have caused by not including the
Cardezas in the movie.
Polar Bear
: Ah, you under estimate the prowness of the fair sex!!! You are doomed!
Good golly, you're right!
I'll burn my copy of TNLO before it falls into her hands! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
B.B.
Bobby Ann Loper (THEATRE)
would be in another with his toady (David Warner's character) in one
nearby. Rose's maid would have to be nearby too. However, now that you
have mentioned this, when Cal says, "I thought that you might come to me
last night" (what a cad), would she have nipped down the hall in her night
clothes and had other people see her tapping on his door? Shocking!
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Chris Nyborg wrote:
>
> Dan Frechette wrote<35BBB9...@earthlink.net>...
> [snip]
>
jinx
> I thought that Rose and her mother were in this suite and assumed that Cal
> would be in another with his toady (David Warner's character) in one
> nearby. Rose's maid would have to be nearby too. However, now that you
> have mentioned this, when Cal says, "I thought that you might come to me
> last night" (what a cad), would she have nipped down the hall in her night
> clothes and had other people see her tapping on his door? Shocking!
Not quite as shocking as getting drunk with the steerage and actually doing
the deed in someone's car.
jimbo
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Dan Frechette
>
> The movie seems to have had several historical inconsistencies, despite
> Mr Cameron's claims of wanting perfection.
>
> Even something as easily checked as the little cherub from the 1st class
> staircase... it was always presented in reverse (photo printed
> backwards), but this was not known until the cherub itself was found.
>
> When re-created for thr film, it was reversed again. So much for the
> great Mr Cameron.
from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered) before.
Countess
<35BD05...@earthlink.net>...
> I have seen a photo of _a_ cherub that was found. Are you sure it is
> from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
> torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
> it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered) before.
There is a picture of a cherub fromthe Aft-Grand Staircase in Titanic:An
Illustrated History, on page 209.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Rivetcountess
Polar Bear
: I thought that Rose and her mother were in this suite and assumed that Cal
: would be in another with his toady (David Warner's character) in one
: nearby. Rose's maid would have to be nearby too. However, now that you
: have mentioned this, when Cal says, "I thought that you might come to me
: last night" (what a cad), would she have nipped down the hall in her night
: clothes and had other people see her tapping on his door? Shocking!
Yes, I think Cal's room is next to Rose's room, and they're
connected via a connecting door.
I haven't any idea where the maid sleeps tho..
Bobby Ann Loper (THEATRE)
as payment for the necklace, and if someone saw her in the hall, he would
not mind. And since we know that she does not love him, all the worse.
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, jinx wrote:
> Bobby Ann Loper (THEATRE) wrote:
>
> > I thought that Rose and her mother were in this suite and assumed that Cal
> > would be in another with his toady (David Warner's character) in one
> > nearby. Rose's maid would have to be nearby too. However, now that you
> > have mentioned this, when Cal says, "I thought that you might come to me
> > last night" (what a cad), would she have nipped down the hall in her night
> > clothes and had other people see her tapping on his door? Shocking!
>
Dan Frechette
something with the subs cameras', but definatly no picture of a cherub.
The previous page states that a cherub from the aft grand staircase was
found but no picture. I don't think it"s "the" cherub I am talking about
since I did see a picture of a recovered cherub somewhere and it wasn't
the same one.
Dante Hicks
>
> I have seen a photo of _a_ cherub that was found. Are you sure it is
> from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
> torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
> it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered)
> before.
The Countess responded:
>
> There is a picture of a cherub fromthe Aft-Grand Staircase in Titanic:An
> Illustrated History, on page 209.
Dan Frechette replied:
>
> My copy has a picture of the recovery sub and another of divers doing
> something with the subs cameras', but definatly no picture of a cherub.
And Chris Nyborg concurred:
>
> Same here - we should have gone for the de luxe edition with extra pictures,
> Dan.
...My copy of "Titanic:An Illustrated History" also features a picture
of the cherub on page 209. The caption next to it reads "This statue of
a cherub once stood on a landing of the aft first-class staircase."
Dante :)
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Chris Nyborg
Dan Frechette wrote<35BE60...@earthlink.net>...
>Countess wrote:
>>
>> Dan Frechette <meta...@diespammerdieearthlink.net> wrote in article
>> <35BD05...@earthlink.net>...
>>
is
>> > from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
>> > torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
>> > it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered)
before.
>>
>> Illustrated History, on page 209.
>> --Rivetcountess
>> "There was peace, and the world had an even tenor to its way... (You know
>> the rest!) Jack Thayer
>something with the subs cameras', but definatly no picture of a cherub.
Same here - we should have gone for the de luxe edition with extra pictures,
Dan.
>The previous page states that a cherub from the aft grand staircase was
>found but no picture. I don't think it"s "the" cherub I am talking about
>since I did see a picture of a recovered cherub somewhere and it wasn't
>the same one.
There are several pictures of the cherub in Claes-Göran Wetterström's
"Titanics skatter", a booklet published by Norsk Sjøfartsmuseum (the
Norwegian Naval Museum) , Oslo in 1991 for the exhibition in may 1992. The
cherub is identified in the text as the one from the aft staircase. I've
seen no reference to another cherub among the salvaged objects.
Gp lenexa
the first class people had rooms in second class. Could this be right?
>I haven't any idea where the maid sleeps tho..
Geri
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shore."
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Dante Hicks wrote<35BE7E...@spam.com>...
[snip]>The Countess responded:
>>
>> There is a picture of a cherub fromthe Aft-Grand Staircase in Titanic:An
>> Illustrated History, on page 209.
>
>>
>> My copy has a picture of the recovery sub and another of divers doing
>> something with the subs cameras', but definatly no picture of a cherub.
>
>>
>> Same here - we should have gone for the de luxe edition with extra
pictures,
>> Dan.
>
>of the cherub on page 209. The caption next to it reads "This statue of
>a cherub once stood on a landing of the aft first-class staircase."
>
>Dante :)
Which edition do you have? I've got the 1998 Hodder & Stoughton (London)
edition - I was under the impression that they had not changed anything from
earlier editions, but I guess I'm wrong.
Chris Nyborg
Gp lenexa wrote<199807291348...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>I had the idea (from where, I don't remember) the the maids, valets, etc.
of
>the first class people had rooms in second class. Could this be right?
>
>>I haven't any idea where the maid sleeps tho..
Most of them stayed in first class rooms. They were supposed to be close at
hand. Benjamin Guggenheim put his driver, Rene Pernot, in second class - he
didn't need him during the voyage - but had his valet Victor Giglio with him
in first class.
Dan Frechette
Books, Ontario, Canada, 1992
Dan Frechette
>
> Dan Frechette originally asked:
> >
> > I have seen a photo of _a_ cherub that was found. Are you sure it is
> > from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
> > torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
> > it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered)
> > before.
>
> >
> > There is a picture of a cherub fromthe Aft-Grand Staircase in Titanic:An
> > Illustrated History, on page 209.
>
> Dan Frechette replied:
> >
> > My copy has a picture of the recovery sub and another of divers doing
> > something with the subs cameras', but definatly no picture of a cherub.
>
> And Chris Nyborg concurred:
> >
> > Same here - we should have gone for the de luxe edition with extra pictures,
> > Dan.
>
> ...My copy of "Titanic:An Illustrated History" also features a picture
> of the cherub on page 209. The caption next to it reads "This statue of
> a cherub once stood on a landing of the aft first-class staircase."
>
> Dante :)
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> and do it really half-assed. That's the American way."
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Dan Frechette wrote<35BFBE...@earthlink.net>...
>> Dan Frechette originally asked:
>> >
>> > I have seen a photo of _a_ cherub that was found. Are you sure it is
>> > from the 1st class staircase? You don't mean the one that holds the lit
>> > torch do you? I don't think that was ever found. If it had been I think
>> > it impossible that I have never seen a picture of it (recovered)
>> > before.
> Can you tell if it is the same statue that held the "torch" under the
>glass dome?
The one in Wetterström's "Titanic skatter" is not the same, and I would find
it difficult to confuse the two:
Grand Staircase:
Youth, ruffled hair, right arm held high, left arm supporting torch, waist
covered by clothing.
Aft staricase (salvaged):
Boy (chearful chubby cherub), smooth hair, left arm held high, right arm
supporting object [torch?], waist not covered.
The salvaged one has no wings, but they could have been broken off - as
there is no picture of the back, i can't really tell.
Dante Hicks
> My copy (it's actually from the library) is produced by Madison Press
> Books, Ontario, Canada, 1992
...Mine's the same.
Bobby Ann Loper (THEATRE)
as having rooms "nearby", or else sharing the one with the young children.
I suppose it depended on how much you wanted to pay for your servant. The
more you paid, the closer they were, the less, the farther.
In the book about Lady Astor's (WWII era) maid Rose, they have adjoining
first class cabins. Since Rose took care of everything, including making
handsewn silk underthings, polishing the shoes and washing and ironing the
shoelaces, Lady Astor wanted her close at beck and call. Actually, it
wasn't all work, Rose was able to travel the world and enjoyed the best of
everything.
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On 29 Jul 1998, Gp lenexa wrote:
> I had the idea (from where, I don't remember) the the maids, valets, etc. of
> the first class people had rooms in second class. Could this be right?
>
> >I haven't any idea where the maid sleeps tho..
>
>
>
Dante Hicks
> My copy (it's actually from the library) is produced by Madison Press
> Books, Ontario, Canada, 1992
...I posted a follow up to this before but it doesn't look like it
showed up. Anyway, my copy is the same as Dan's [Madison Press, 1992].