Searching for Blue Riband information
beign069
L.S.,
I am finalizing my website on the "Masters of the Blue Riband" (
http://members.xoom.com/Blue_Riband/home.html ) and I'm looking for a
complete list of all Blue Riband winners (fastest transatlantic ocean
liners).
Can anyone provide me with such a list ?
Many thanks beforehand !
Hans
Louis Epstein
beign069 (hans_d...@ibm.net) wrote:
:
: I am finalizing my website on the "Masters of the Blue Riband" (
: http://members.xoom.com/Blue_Riband/home.html ) and I'm looking for a
: complete list of all Blue Riband winners (fastest transatlantic ocean
: liners).
: Can anyone provide me with such a list ?
I like your concept,and will link you from my Titanic reconstruction
page...The Royal William you mention as first is not on lists I have,
and separate eastbound and westbound crossing records complicate things,
as do ships bettering their own records,but try
Savannah,1819
(I guess the Royal William would fit here)
Great Western,1838(all westbound from here until noted)
Britannia,1840
Pacific,1851
Baltic[a USA ship],1854
Persia,1856
Scotia,1866
City of Paris,1867
City of Brussels,1869
Baltic[a different,UK ship],1873
City of Berlin,1875
Germanic,1876
Britannic,1876(E) 1877(W)
Arizona,1879(east) 1880(west)
Alaska,1882(east) 1883(west)
Oregon,1884(E)
Etruria,1885(W)
Umbria,1887(W)
Etruria,1888(W)
City of Paris[presumably not the one above],1889(E)
Majestic,1891(W)
Teutonic,1891(W)
City of Paris[the 1889 one,I guess],1892(W)
Campania,1893(W)
Lucania,1894(W),1895(E)
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse,1898(W)
Deutschland,1900(E)
Lusitania,1907(W)
Mauretania,1909(E and W)
Leviathan,1924(E)
Mauretania,1924(E)
Bremen,1929(W and E)(broke route record W in 1934 but slower than Rex)
Europa,1933(E and W)
Rex,1933(W)(sailed southern route,Gibraltar)
Normandie,1935(W) 1937(E)
Queen Mary,1938(E),1936(W)
United States,1952(E and W)
And the ferries that have claimed it:
Hoverspeed Great Britain,1990(E)
Catalonia,1998(E)(southern route,Gibraltar)
I hope the superliner I dream of building surpasses them all.
: Hans
BTW,you could do with some alt tags for us Lynx users!!
I don't like having to resort to a graphical browser on another
machine to avoid the [INLINE]s plastered all over the screen.
I see you refer to there being three famous liners shown on the
Trophy including the SS US.I have read that there were four,
NOT including the SS US until it won and its owners took it
upon themselves to substitute a picture of the SS US for one
of the previous four,which upset the trustees.
Majestic ex Bismarck
I never knew that Leviathan beat Mauretania for a short time.....
where did you get that one??
"Theres a torpedo coming in on the starboard bow sir!!!" -Lusitania
Butler1918
There's a splendid little book called The Blue Riband of the Atlantic, written
by Tom Hughes, published by Charles Scribner's Sons of New York in 1973. It's
authoritative and concisely, but not dully, written. Definitely worth
contacting your local used and/or rare book dealer about---it will provide you
with a lot more information thatn you can get off just this NG.
Sincerely
Daniel Allen Butler
Joel Edwards
Where is the trophy located today?
Thanks,
Joel
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Steakfish
Re: Normandie
>> My sources were contradictory. <<
What sources were those? Most reputable sources I'm aware of state the N won
in both directions the first time out, such as the well-regarded NORMANDIE: HER
LIFE AND TIMES by Harvey Ardman and the classic THE ONLY WAY TO CROSS by John
Maxtone-Graham. Is one of your sources a listing of winners? It could be that
detailed histories such as Ardman's and Maxtone-Graham's have the space to go
into depth while lists are more vulnerable to omissions, transpositions, and
the like.
Mike in DC
Louis Epstein
Steakfish (stea...@aol.com) wrote:
: Re: Normandie
Two different lists of record crossings,one by Bonsor,that were printed in
different years' World Almanacs.
Louis Epstein
Joel Edwards (Ja...@gate.net.remove-this-to-send) wrote:
: Where is the trophy located today?
At the offices of Sea Containers,owners of the Hoverspeed Great Britain,
whose 36.65 knot 1990 delivery voyage was deemed by them to qualify for
the Trophy,and the trustees not having the money for a court fight over
the issue that liners in the passenger trade were the intended winners
handed it over.(United States Lines had lent it to a museum).
Now that the Catalonia has crossed at 38.77 knots,you can expect it to
be delivered to Buquebus.
If my concept ship ever is built and wins the Trophy,I'd like to see
it kept on board the ship.
Adrian Dunne
I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new ferry Barcelona
won the Hales Trophy and the Blue Riband for a record crossing on its
delivery voyage, for a passsage from Miami to Gibraltar. This very fast twin
hulled ship was built by Incat Shipbuilders in Hobart, Tasmania and was on
it's delivery voyage to Barcelona
Adrian dunne
Louis Epstein
Adrian Dunne (du...@ozemail.com.au) wrote:
: I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new ferry Barcelona
This has already been mentioned,it was on the list I posted.
Of course,it's sad that such craft for which the Trophy was cleearly not
intended are allowed to bluster their way into possession on
technicalities.
By the way,it left New York,not Miami.
kpk...@acpub.duke.edu
I missed the posted list of Blue Riband winners, would anybody be PO'ed
if I asked for it again?
> Adrian Dunne (du...@ozemail.com.au) wrote:
> : I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new ferry Barcelona
> : won the Hales Trophy and the Blue Riband for a record crossing on its
> : delivery voyage, for a passsage from Miami to Gibraltar. This very fast twin
> : hulled ship was built by Incat Shipbuilders in Hobart, Tasmania and was on
> : it's delivery voyage to Barcelona
I missed that, too. Must be spending too much time working! Still, I
find it hard to believe that a ferryboat (however many hulls it may
have) could beat the record of the Gentry Eagle. Was the Eagle never
awarded the Blue Riband?
Louis Epstein wrote>
> This has already been mentioned,it was on the list I posted.
>
> Of course,it's sad that such craft for which the Trophy was cleearly not
> intended are allowed to bluster their way into possession on
> technicalities.
>
> By the way,it left New York,not Miami.
You sound a bit stuffy saying things like "a craft for which the Trophy
was clearly never intended." Why? And "technicalities" are part of the
rules, too. Bet you'd say that about the Gentry Eagle, too. An awesome
craft, although clearly not a liner by any stretch of the imagination.
And thanks for posting the list (even though it's clearly not
Titanic-related). Would you mind posting it again?
Regards- Doug King
Andrew and Rebecca Hall
Someone wrote:
>
> I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new
> ferry Barcelona won the Hales Trophy and the Blue Riband for a
> record crossing on its delivery voyage, for a passsage from Miami
> to Gibraltar. This very fast twin hulled ship was built by
> Incat Shipbuilders in Hobart, Tasmania and was on it's delivery
> voyage to Barcelona
I realize that the gentleman who posted this may have a certain national
pride in this vessel, but I find it impossible to accept this, or the
previous record holder, as a legitimate claimant to the Blue Riband.
Although this ferry may have met the technical definitions to claim the
Hales Trophy, they are clearly not the types of vessels intended to
compete for the honor, and can never rank in anyone's memory as do
Mauretania, Normandie and United States. The only legitimate claim
for the Blue Riband can be a passenger vessel operating on a regular,
recurring transatlantic schedule. And if those ships are gone, that's
the way it is. I'd rather there never be another Blue Riband holder than
have the honor claimed every so often by some opportunist who finds a
way to squeak through some ambiguous wording in the rules.
--------------> Andy Hall
Louis Epstein
kpk...@acpub.duke.edu wrote:
: I missed the posted list of Blue Riband winners, would anybody be PO'ed
: if I asked for it again?
:
: > : I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new ferry Barcelona
: > : won the Hales Trophy and the Blue Riband for a record crossing on its
: > : delivery voyage, for a passsage from Miami to Gibraltar. This very fast twin
: > : hulled ship was built by Incat Shipbuilders in Hobart, Tasmania and was on
: > : it's delivery voyage to Barcelona
:
: find it hard to believe that a ferryboat (however many hulls it may
: have) could beat the record of the Gentry Eagle. Was the Eagle never
: awarded the Blue Riband?
Never heard of the Gentry Eagle,did it go faster than the Destriero?
The Blue Riband is strictly for passenger craft.
: Louis Epstein wrote>
: > This has already been mentioned,it was on the list I posted.
: >
: > Of course,it's sad that such craft for which the Trophy was cleearly not
: > intended are allowed to bluster their way into possession on
: > technicalities.
: >
: > By the way,it left New York,not Miami.
:
: You sound a bit stuffy saying things like "a craft for which the Trophy
: was clearly never intended." Why? And "technicalities" are part of the
: rules, too. Bet you'd say that about the Gentry Eagle, too. An awesome
: craft, although clearly not a liner by any stretch of the imagination.
Well,qualification depends on how far you can stretch the imagination.
: And thanks for posting the list (even though it's clearly not
: Titanic-related). Would you mind posting it again?
Note that Hans now has an official list on his site at Xoom with even
more crossings than I covered.
: Regards- Doug King
Louis Epstein
Andrew and Rebecca Hall (tig...@phoenix.net) wrote:
: Someone wrote:
: >
: > I think that any list would be outdated as last week the new
: > ferry Barcelona won the Hales Trophy and the Blue Riband for a
: > record crossing on its delivery voyage, for a passsage from Miami
: > to Gibraltar. This very fast twin hulled ship was built by
: > Incat Shipbuilders in Hobart, Tasmania and was on it's delivery
: > voyage to Barcelona
:
: pride in this vessel, but I find it impossible to accept this, or the
: previous record holder, as a legitimate claimant to the Blue Riband.
Amen!
: Although this ferry may have met the technical definitions to claim the
: Hales Trophy, they are clearly not the types of vessels intended to
: compete for the honor, and can never rank in anyone's memory as do
: Mauretania, Normandie and United States. The only legitimate claim
: for the Blue Riband can be a passenger vessel operating on a regular,
: recurring transatlantic schedule. And if those ships are gone, that's
: the way it is. I'd rather there never be another Blue Riband holder than
: have the honor claimed every so often by some opportunist who finds a
: way to squeak through some ambiguous wording in the rules.
In the 1990 case,it was threatening trustees with no money to fight back
with a court case over the Trophy.
My own concept ship is a traditional liner that can beat the ferry
speeds clocked so far.
Aravantis
I was also putting up a section on Blue Riband winners on my unfinished
webpage, which I had to take down to move to another place as AOL gives a
limited amount of space. (since that place is already consumed with my Titanic
page.) I only have what's listed after and not including Mauretania, and not
mentioning Catalonia or Hoverspeed Great Britain since they aren't really
liners. BTW, did Rex ever win a crossing eastbound?
~James in Greater Cleveland
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Louis Epstein
Aravantis (arav...@aol.com) wrote:
: I was also putting up a section on Blue Riband winners on my unfinished
: webpage, which I had to take down to move to another place as AOL gives a
: limited amount of space.
I really,really look forward to the completion of your page somewhere!!
: (since that place is already consumed with my Titanic
: page.) I only have what's listed after and not including Mauretania, and not
: mentioning Catalonia or Hoverspeed Great Britain since they aren't really
: liners.
They still need to be beaten!
: BTW, did Rex ever win a crossing eastbound?
No.
: ~James in Greater Cleveland
Louis Epstein(non-[LinerProj] account)
Aravantis
>I really,really look forward to the completion of your page somewhere!!
>
>
Well, the Blue Riband segment is here (and stating again, Bremen - United
States. I couldn't find anything else. The true liners.) at
http://members.aol.com/Naronic13/liners/riband.htm
Most of the info came from Thom Hughes's book "the Blue Riband of the
Atlantic."
I should also very well say that Hans's page is crafted very well, and I would
like to ask how it was possible to obtain the day-hour-minute thing for those
ships from a *really* long time ago.
And Leviathan beating Mauretania? Oh well, you learn something new every day.
Louis Epstein
Aravantis (arav...@aol.com) wrote:
: >I really,really look forward to the completion of your page somewhere!!
: >
:
: Well, the Blue Riband segment is here (and stating again, Bremen - United
: States. I couldn't find anything else. The true liners.) at
: http://members.aol.com/Naronic13/liners/riband.htm
: Most of the info came from Thom Hughes's book "the Blue Riband of the
: Atlantic."
:
: I should also very well say that Hans's page is crafted very well, and I would
: like to ask how it was possible to obtain the day-hour-minute thing for those
: ships from a *really* long time ago.
:
: And Leviathan beating Mauretania? Oh well, you learn something new every day.
To be fair,that was only in the earlier of my Almanac lists...
but there had to be something to spur the aging Mauretania to break
its record in 1924.