SS Seabreeze details
Mark Van Nordstrand
were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the engine
room and lower decks. Network TV reported her sunk, although that's uncertain.
Bad weather is making a search difficult. She was listing to starboard when last
seen, enough to make standing on deck difficult. All crew were rescued.
from http://rec.travelmate.com/north_america/stybr1998/ 12/18/00:
SS SeaBreeze Statistics
Built: 1958; Displacement: 21,000 tons
Cruise Speed: 21 knots
Length: 605 feet; Beam: 79 feet; Draft: 29 feet
Crew: 400; Passenger Capacity: 840; Passenger Decks: 9
Registry: Panamá
The SeaBreeze has a long and varied history. Built in 1958, she cruised for
many years as the Costa Cruises ship Frederico C, and the gates to the bridge
show the Costa 'C' designed into the ironwork. Later she cruised with Premier
Cruises as the original Big Red Boat: Star Ship Royale. In 1989 Dolphin Cruises
purchased it and revamped it into the SS SeaBreeze. Then in 1997 Premier
Cruises purchased Dolphin Cruises, and the SeaBreeze returned once more to her
previous owners. Evidence of these 3 most recent owners can be seen in the
smokestack, with the most recent Premier logo painted over the outlines of the 2
previous logos.
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review at http://www.travelpage.com/yourfav/cruise/yfc_pr_seabr_6.htm not very
positive.
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http://www.travelpage.com/yourfav/cruise/yfc_pr_seabr_7.htm another bad review.
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http://www.frommers.com/deals/savings_at_sea/ships/ship_57.html has a travel
agent's pitch.
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http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpage/ships/pr_seabr.asp for a longer and less
complimentary review, calling here the "Seasleaze" and "Seacheese". Very funny.
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My web site: http://markvan.virtualave.net
Daniel Allen Butler
>were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
>news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the
>engine
<Snipped for brevity>
Thanks for the update, Mark, and especially for the background material. It
would be a pity if the Seabreeze were to be lost for certain--although given
her registry I'm not surprised that the crew wasn't able to cope with the
emergency. The tragedy would be to lose one of the few remaining cruise ships
that actually looks like a SHIP and not a bad set from a Star Trek episode or a
Star Wars movie.
Dan
(The Hammer)
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the management, but
they ought to be!
Mark Van Nordstrand
qualified to operate her in adverse conditions. She was still high in the water
during the rescue, but listing visibly. Weather was bad, with 50 foot waves
breaking over the bow. She appeared to be underway during the rescue, with black
smoke coming from the single stack. It's assumed she sank, but nobody's been out
searching in the bad weather. Maybe she'll turn up somewhere.
My web site: http://markvan.virtualave.net
Carolyn Marie
wrote:
>The SS Seabreeze sank Sunday. No passengers aboard, only 36 (?) crewmen, who
>were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
>news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the engine
>room and lower decks. Network TV reported her sunk, although that's uncertain.
>Bad weather is making a search difficult. She was listing to starboard when last
>seen, enough to make standing on deck difficult. All crew were rescued.
>
<snip of many useful links>
Poor thing. The ship doesn't seem to have been in the best of shape
anymore but it's a shame when we lose one of the old ones.
Good link from Boston, the port she'd sailed from:
http://www.globe.com/news/daily/18/sinking_ship.htm
Nice long article from the Hampton, VA Pilot:
http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw1218win.html
Eeek, that looks nasty! Thank God the crew made it off, that's the
main thing. Actually, her status is currently unknown. They'll look
for her tomorrow when it's clear.
That was some nasty, nasty storm system. Here in Boston there wasn't
any snow but it was like a mini-hurricane--house shook all night.
Carolyn
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Jonathan N. Deitch
caro...@rocketmail.com (Carolyn Marie) writes:
>>The SS Seabreeze sank Sunday. No passengers aboard, only 36 (?) crewmen, who
>>were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
>>news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the engine
>>room and lower decks. Network TV reported her sunk, although that's uncertain.
>>Bad weather is making a search difficult. She was listing to starboard when last
>>seen, enough to make standing on deck difficult. All crew were rescued.
> Poor thing. The ship doesn't seem to have been in the best of shape
> anymore but it's a shame when we lose one of the old ones.
>
> Nice long article from the Hampton, VA Pilot:
>
> http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw1218win.html
>
> Eeek, that looks nasty! Thank God the crew made it off, that's the
> main thing. Actually, her status is currently unknown. They'll look
> for her tomorrow when it's clear.
Go look through the Coast Guard's photo gallery, it *does* indeed look very
nasty.
BTW, a C-130 sent out today confirmed the ship did sink - a large debris field
consisting of common deck items (tables, chairs, etc) as well as lifeboats
and liferafts was spotted in the area the rescue took place, but no ship.
As the water in that area is 4300 feet deep it's presumably quite out of
reach of salvage although I imagine quite visitable via submarine or robotic
dive gizmo, a-la Alvin ...
- Jonathan
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Deitch) wrote:
>In article <3a3ebd1b...@news.newsguy.com>,
> caro...@rocketmail.com (Carolyn Marie) writes:
>
>>>The SS Seabreeze sank Sunday. No passengers aboard, only 36 (?) crewmen, who
>>>were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
>>>news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the engine
>>>room and lower decks. Network TV reported her sunk, although that's uncertain.
>>>Bad weather is making a search difficult. She was listing to starboard when last
>>>seen, enough to make standing on deck difficult. All crew were rescued.
>
>> Poor thing. The ship doesn't seem to have been in the best of shape
>> anymore but it's a shame when we lose one of the old ones.
>>
>> Nice long article from the Hampton, VA Pilot:
>>
>> http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw1218win.html
>>
>> Eeek, that looks nasty! Thank God the crew made it off, that's the
>> main thing. Actually, her status is currently unknown. They'll look
>> for her tomorrow when it's clear.
>
>Go look through the Coast Guard's photo gallery, it *does* indeed look very
>nasty.
>
>BTW, a C-130 sent out today confirmed the ship did sink - a large debris field
>consisting of common deck items (tables, chairs, etc) as well as lifeboats
>and liferafts was spotted in the area the rescue took place, but no ship.
>
Yes, you're right, just found this on the Breaking News section of the
AP:
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA32MOYWGC.html
>As the water in that area is 4300 feet deep it's presumably quite out of
>reach of salvage although I imagine quite visitable via submarine or robotic
>dive gizmo, a-la Alvin ...
Salvage *what*? <g>
>Sigh ...
Yeah, it's still a shame.
Daniel Allen Butler
>>reach of salvage although I imagine quite visitable via submarine or robotic
>>dive gizmo, a-la Alvin ...
>
>Salvage *what*? <g>
I wonder how long it will be before Bob Ballard begins his latest expedition,
"Exploring the Seabreeze." How long does a ship have to be on the bottom
before it qualifies for inclusion in the next edition of "Bob Ballard's Big
Book of Rusty Sunken Ships"?
M. Perry
book not meeting expectations? "Unsinkable" offered on the $1.99 table?
Mark
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Andrew Clarkson
> I wonder how long it will be before Bob Ballard begins his latest
expedition,
> "Exploring the Seabreeze." How long does a ship have to be on the bottom
> before it qualifies for inclusion in the next edition of "Bob Ballard's
Big
> Book of Rusty Sunken Ships"?
>
>
>
> Dan
> (The Hammer)
Dan,
There's a joke about the proverbial Scotsman who is so tight that when he
drops a penny, he bends down so quickly the penny hits him on the back of
the head! (No stereotype intended)
That's Bob! I bet he was in there at the first sign of a breach, filming it
hitting the seabed.
All the best,
Andrew Clarkson
Daniel Allen Butler
>book not meeting expectations? "Unsinkable" offered on the $1.99 table?
>
>Mark
Gee, to what do we owe the demise of Mark's sense of humor? Or has he decided
that I'm the only one not permitted to perpetuate the ongoing NG joke about
Ballard's "Lost Liners"?
Daniel Allen Butler
>drops a penny, he bends down so quickly the penny hits him on the back of
>the head! (No stereotype intended)
I believe it--after all, we invented copper wire when two lads from Aberdeen
started a tug o' war over a tuppence....
Michael
a scrapyard.
Michael
Mark Van Nordstrand <ma...@www.com> wrote in message
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William J. Leary Jr.
news:20001219004844...@ng-fn1.aol.com...
> I wonder how long it will be before Bob Ballard begins his latest
expedition,
> "Exploring the Seabreeze." How long does a ship have to be on the bottom
> before it qualifies for inclusion in the next edition of "Bob Ballard's
Big
> Book of Rusty Sunken Ships"?
I know you're making fun, but think about it. It would be interesting to
view a fresh wreck, then go back every five or ten years and see what time
has wrought.
- Bill
J H
parody listing that appeared some time ago. Did we have Doug Urquhart to thank
for that? Please post it again, Doug, or whoever wrote it. That, and the great
Sir Edward Bulwer Lytton really bad writing entry about the loss of the greatest
mathematician who ever lived. And isn't it the season for Tickle Me Ismay?
I'm sorry the newcomers missed out on these and other great diversions, like
"The Case of the Missing Matey" and that photo which "proved" there was a mummy
on board. I didn't see those as disrespectful at all, because only those who
have immersed themselves in the true story of the Titanic can fully appreciate
the humor. Now I'm getting nostalgic ... it's time to be of good cheer again!
Regards,
Judy Hennessey
Carolyn Marie
"...and here we see a common form of ornamentation known to the
ancients as 'Formica'. Its indestructibility had important religious
overtones in the late 20th century..."
It is a good idea, actually, Bill, if it's safe. After all, the ship
didn't hit anything or burn or blow up so it's as intact as it's ever
going to be. It would be useful to note the rate of decay and
structural state for any number of reasons. But from what I've read
from the links posted it had been stripped of anything particularly
interesting already. I'm having "Motel of the Mysteries"
flashbacks...
Carolyn
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Daniel Allen Butler
>view a fresh wreck, then go back every five or ten years and see what time
>has wrought.
You're absolutely right, Bill--it would be fascinating! And it would finally
be some serious science on Ballard's part, too.
There's a lot of merit to your idea, in particular because, as I've pointed out
in other threads, we know so little about the chronology of the process by
which a ship decays--just look at the difference between what John Light found
in 1961 in his dives on the Lusitania and what Ballard found thirty three years
later! And look at the difference between the Titanic and Bismarck--the German
ship is only about 2,500 ft deeper (and has been on the bottom thirty one years
less, true), but it obviously doesn't appear to be heading for the same sort of
decay that has overtaken the Titanic.
And then there is the Andrea Doria, which in a lot ways satisfies your
requirements--and her slow disintegration has indeed been fascinating to watch.
Daniel Allen Butler
>a scrapyard.
>
Hear! Hear! A couple of years ago I visited the yard in Inverkeithing where
the Olympic and the Mauretania were scrapped--a horribly depressing place!
Tom Pappas
pointed out
> in other threads, we know so little about the chronology of the process by
> which a ship decays--just look at the difference between what John Light
found
> in 1961 in his dives on the Lusitania and what Ballard found thirty three
years
> later! And look at the difference between the Titanic and Bismarck--the
German
> ship is only about 2,500 ft deeper (and has been on the bottom thirty one
years
> less, true), but it obviously doesn't appear to be heading for the same
sort of
> decay that has overtaken the Titanic.
Well, if Dr. Ballard carries through on his "seafloor museum" concept, we
may ALL be able to watch a wreck disintegrate. It would make some
fascinating science.
p.s. I imagine the Titanic-Bismarck difference could be largely explained by
the difference in materials, don't you agree?
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John M. Feeney
Judy, Judy, Judy:
Great stuff above! And you're right -- we can't let these valuable
additions to out culture simply slide into the abyss. (Of course,
considering my file maintenance habits, if it's from August or after I
still have the post. Some of those mummy links are just a few inches
... er ... feet above this thread.)
Doug, I'm with Judy on this one (and still LOL just at the title).
PLEASE post a link to "Bob Ballard's Big Book of Rusty Sunken Ships".
I'll see if I can't locate some of the more "convincing" mummy sites!
And beware, everyone. Those cheap knock-off versions -- "Tickle Me
Yamsi" -- are being hawked once again. ;^)
"Oh the weather outside is frightful, ...."
John Feeney
(schla...@mindspring.com)
"The Pine Barrens", NJ USA
John M. Feeney
> "Unsinkable" offered on the $1.99 table?
$1.99?? Where? Tell me, Mark, please. My apologies to Dan, but I still
haven't gotten my copy and that's WAY too good to pass up.
Thanks!
John M. Feeney
Daniel Allen Butler
>the difference in materials, don't you agree?
Not necessarily. The biggest contributor to the Titanic's decay has been the
iron-eating microorganisms that have produced the "rusticles" which just
LOOOOOOOOOVE the mild steel of her shell plating and frames. While I can see
how the composition of Bismarck's nickle-chromium-steel armor belt might taste
like their equivalent of liver and lima beans (or "ham-and-lima-beans"
C-rats!), her armor belt wasn't an integral part of the ship's structure (in
fact the only battleships that I know of where the armor belt WAS part of the
ship's structure were the Yamato-class monstrosities), leaving a lot of
shellplating and framing to be made of something that they could find far more
appetizing. It is my understanding (and I could--I say "COULD"-- be wrong)
that Bismarck's structure was made of mild steel, which is the shipbuilder's
material of choice because of its malleability and relative flexibility. Now
what the chemical composition of Bismarck'st mild steel would be compared to
the Titanic's, I can't tell you, since I've not been able to find the formula
for German "Ste. 42" shipbuilding steel, which was the most commonly used steel
for structural purposes, both civilian and naval, after World War One.
Carolyn Marie
<schla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>J H <jl...@nac.net> wrote:
>
>>"Bob Ballard's Big Book of Rusty Sunken Ships" is a reference to very funny
>>parody listing that appeared some time ago. Did we have Doug Urquhart to thank
>>for that? Please post it again, Doug, or whoever wrote it. That, and the great
>>Sir Edward Bulwer Lytton really bad writing entry about the loss of the greatest
>>mathematician who ever lived. And isn't it the season for Tickle Me Ismay?
>>
Daddy, can I get the Ismay with the kung-fu grip, pleeeease!
And I want a Captain Smith Inaction figure, and a Rockem-Sockem Wilde,
and a James Cameron dartboard, and a...
Greedily,
John M. Feeney
those mummy links, originally courtesy of VstevenV, August 18:
http://www.anusha.com/curse-2.htm
http://www.anusha.com/cursed-3.htm
http://ftp.ev1.net/~jrev/titanic.htm
http://users.ev1.net/~jrev/mummy.htm
Haven't looked at the last 2 yet, but the anusha.com pages (and their
many links) are great fun! (I think the last two are actually serious
rebuttals of the myth.)
Cheers!
John M. Feeney
(schla...@mindspring.com)
39°50'10"N, 74°44'54"W
Doug Urquhart
>"Bob Ballard's Big Book of Rusty Sunken Ships" is a reference to very funny
>parody listing that appeared some time ago. Did we have Doug Urquhart to thank
>for that? Please post it again, Doug, or whoever wrote it.
Alas, that wasn't one of mine, but since 'tis the season for reruns,
here are a few.
> That, and the great
>Sir Edward Bulwer Lytton really bad writing entry about the loss of the greatest
>mathematician who ever lived.
It was a dark and stormy night, as I recall..... Unfortunately I
didn't keep it. However, the Great McGonagle had a few words about
Titanic....
http://members.localnet.com/~urquhart/mctitan.html
> And isn't it the season for Tickle Me Ismay?
You mean this little chap? (batteries not included)
http://members.localnet.com/~urquhart/tmi2.jpg
>I'm sorry the newcomers missed out on these and other great diversions, like
>"The Case of the Missing Matey" and that photo which "proved" there was a mummy
>on board. I didn't see those as disrespectful at all, because only those who
>have immersed themselves in the true story of the Titanic can fully appreciate
>the humor. Now I'm getting nostalgic ... it's time to be of good cheer again!
>
>Regards,
>
>Judy Hennessey
>
Regards
Doug Urquhart
J H
> It was a dark and stormy night, as I recall..... Unfortunately I
> didn't keep it.
I did. Here it is:
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It was a dark and stormy night, but not three thousand feet above N'grak's head. The
surface of the North Atlantic was smooth and unruffled.
It had been a good day so far, thought N'grak, flexing his hundred-foot tentacles.
The skirmish with the sperm whale had been exciting but not fatally so. It was good
to be Architeuthis Dux - top of the food chain, no need to develop tools or opposable
thumbs, and plenty of time to think about important things, like the structure of
space/time. Soon he would meet the rest of his clan, to discuss his theories about
the collapse of eleven-dimensional manifolds close to naked singularities.
Little did he know that, in a few minutes, many thousands of tons of steel, on its
way to the bottom, would cut short the career of the greatest mathematician who ever
lived.
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That's a classic, Doug. I hope the new members enjoy it as much as I did.
Regards,
Judy Hennessey
J H
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:18 -0500, J H wrote:
>
> >"Bob Ballard's Big Book of Rusty Sunken Ships" is a reference to very funny
> >parody listing that appeared some time ago. Did we have Doug Urquhart to thank
> >for that? Please post it again, Doug, or whoever wrote it.
>
> Alas, that wasn't one of mine ...
Andrew Clarkson, wasn't that yours? Deja says so. I hope you don't mind my quoting
you:
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Big Book Of Rusty Ships Volume XVI by Bob Ballard - This time Bob explores a pedalo
which sunk off the west coast of Cornwall, England in 1995, with the loss of a pair
of mirrored sunglasses and a half-empty bottle of Factor 0 suntan lotion. "She now
lies in almost 11 feet of water, her bright yellow plastic shell a poignant reminder
of her illustrious past. Her once proud pedals lay covered in a fine layer of sewage,
and the number '24' could be just made out on her starboard side. I now knew that the
vessel we were looking at was indeed pedalo 24. Suddenly, we were snapped out of our
reverie - a can of Budweiser, still with the ring pull intact lay in the sand nearby.
I looked at the clock. I wanted to remember this moment for the rest of my life."
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Andrew Clarkson
"J H" <jl...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3A40D881...@nac.net...
> Andrew Clarkson, wasn't that yours? Deja says so. I hope you don't mind
my quoting
> you:
> ------------
> Big Book Of Rusty Ships Volume XVI by Bob Ballard - This time Bob explores
a pedalo
> which sunk off the west coast of Cornwall, England in 1995, with the loss
of a pair
> of mirrored sunglasses and a half-empty bottle of Factor 0 suntan lotion.
"She now
> lies in almost 11 feet of water, her bright yellow plastic shell a
poignant reminder
> of her illustrious past. Her once proud pedals lay covered in a fine layer
of sewage,
> and the number '24' could be just made out on her starboard side. I now
knew that the
> vessel we were looking at was indeed pedalo 24. Suddenly, we were snapped
out of our
> reverie - a can of Budweiser, still with the ring pull intact lay in the
sand nearby.
> I looked at the clock. I wanted to remember this moment for the rest of my
life."
> --------------
>
T'was I sir, guilty as charged!
Andrew Clarkson
Andrew Clarkson
my quoting
> you:
In keeping with the festive spirit, I would like to offer seasonal wishes to
everybody on alt.hist.oce-lin.tit, and remember, it doesn't matter how much
or how little you know about the Titanic, the fact is, we're all here 'cause
we love her!
Anyway, breaking news here: the truth behind Violet Jessop's amazing claim
of having survived the disasters which befell Olympic, Titanic and Britannic
is finally revealed in new photograph!!
http://www.rmstitanic.co.uk/www.rmstitanic.co.uk.gif
Andrew Clarkson
mf...@my-deja.com
Any possibility she was scuttled for the insurance?
Morgan Ford
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Andrew Clarkson
Aberdeen
> started a tug o' war over a tuppence....
LOL!
Andrew Clarkson
Jonathan N. Deitch
One does not usually scuttle ones ship in the middle of a wild storm where
you have to be winched off the deck by the Coast Guard ...
- Jonathan
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George S Collins
wrote:
>The SS Seabreeze sank Sunday. No passengers aboard, only 36 (?) crewmen, who
>were rescued by US Coastguard helicopters. She took on water (according to TV
>news reports) because the ocean cooling water line ruptured, flooding the engine
>room and lower decks. Network TV reported her sunk, although that's uncertain.
>Bad weather is making a search difficult. She was listing to starboard when last
>seen, enough to make standing on deck difficult. All crew were rescued.
>
Well, I can see how she got into trouble. Trying to cool the ocean
would certainly overload her engineering plant!! (Got to watch those
TV reports :-) )
If a main condenser inlet expansion joint ruptured it would be very
difficult for a merchie crew to stop the flooding, but it should have
been confined to the one space. Trouble with "flags of convenience"
is a general lack of maintenance.
George
John M. Feeney
>Well, I can see how she got into trouble. Trying to cool the ocean
>would certainly overload her engineering plant!! (Got to watch those
>TV reports :-) )
LOL! Had to read that one twice, George; missed it the first time --
tee hee!
Excellent turn of a phrase! :^)
Regards,
John Feeney
(schla...@mindspring.com)
John M. Feeney
>> And isn't it the season for Tickle Me Ismay?
>
>You mean this little chap? (batteries not included)
>
>http://members.localnet.com/~urquhart/tmi2.jpg
Oh my God! Oh, oh, I can't breathe... 8^)
That's the funniest damn thing I've seen in ages!!
I though Judy was just making that one up.
(Excuse me. I'd say more, Doug but I'm still having uncontrollable
fits of laughter! Thanks, Guy!)
Cheers!
John Feeney
thats HACKSAW
Thanks for the update, Mark, and especially for the background
material. It would be a pity if the Seabreeze were to be lost for
certain--although given her registry I'm not surprised that the crew
wasn't able to cope with the emergency. The tragedy would be to lose
one of the few remaining cruise ships that actually looks like a SHIP
and not a bad set from a Star Trek episode or a Star Wars movie.
(the above daniel allen butler wrote)
good point he made, the new ships, unlike the old, are built rapidly
and strong, but somewhere in the mass marketing society, they have
lost the touch of excellence, (even though, it is coming back)
theres a ship that is being built or is built that is more immence in
splendor, then the titanic. MILLIONS of dollars have actually gone
into the decor of this ship, the lounge is 3 storys tall, with
balconies on 2 of the floors, and something like 3 swimming pools, a
full gym,(im thinking smaller then a real gym, half a basketball
court?) i was reading it in a mariners zine at werk, i was actuaally
astounded on hearign all the details of it. but yeah the quality of
ships has dramatically decreased, rather then taking pride in the
ship, they slap it together, and push it in....no real crissening
anymore....why bother.
me again
George S Collins
Deitch) wrote:
>In article <91rcv5$rte$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> mf...@my-deja.com writes:
>
>> Any possibility she was scuttled for the insurance?
>
>One does not usually scuttle ones ship in the middle of a wild storm where
>you have to be winched off the deck by the Coast Guard ...
On the other hand, it WAS within helo range, in broad daylight. The
weather merely adds a bit of credibility to the scenario.
George