The woman hanging on the rail
Stigs
Does anyone understand the significance of the scene when Rose and the woman
hanging on the rail of the Stern as the back half of Titanic is sinking lock
eyes? There are two seperate instances within a few seconds when the two
women stare at each other. It isn't a casual glance, but a determined gaze.
I'm sure there is some powerful, underlying meaning, but it escapes me. Any
ideas?
ChrissyKom
I think it was Fabrizio's date at the 3rd class party. It the uncut script
there is a lot more scenes involving him and this Norwegian girl.
Chrissy
MaestroJMK
I am wondering the same.....it was a powerful moment when the two of them
locked eyes......
Tod
CK wrote in message <01bd382f$c3a60e20$dba20fcf@default>...
>MaestroJMK <maest...@aol.com> wrote in article
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>> I am wondering the same.....it was a powerful moment when the two of them
>> locked eyes......
>>
>
>I thought the same thing while watching the movie and tried to think back
>to any earlier scenes in the film in which they may have met or spoke. But
>then it occurred to me, here they are hanging on to the railing of an
>enormous ship that's pulling them under the cold and dark North Atlantic
>waters. As far as they know, the lifeboats are gone and help is never
>going to arrive; death seems to be inevitable. Put me in that situation
>and I would be handing out some pretty "powerful" glances too.
>
>CK
Thank you CK. That explains exactly what the look was about. Nothing more,
nothing less.
Tod
SwingKidss
I personally think that Rose saw the woman becoming hysterical and not really
trying to figure out a way to try and save herself, making Rose more determined
to not become hysterical herself and to survive. I also think that the woman
was saying to Rose <with her eyes of course> 'Help me' and Rose perhaps trying
to think of way in which she could help. Just my two cents..
Of course if you really want to know you would have to ask J. Cameron himself
:)
-Sarra
CK
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CK wrote:
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> MaestroJMK <maest...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19980212180...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> > I am wondering the same.....it was a powerful moment when the two of them
> > locked eyes......
> >
>
> I thought the same thing while watching the movie and tried to think back
The last time I saw the film, I looked to see if that woman was in an
earlier scene.
If you watch real closely, in the scene where Rose and Jack are
partying down in 3rd class, you will see this woman dancing with
Jack's Italian friend.
em
Kim T. Ha
Actually, the woman hanging off the rail was the Norweigan (sp?) woman
with whom Fabrizio was dancing during the "real party" scene. There are
more details on this character in the scenes that were cut from the film.
Kim
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Tod wrote:
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> CK wrote in message <01bd382f$c3a60e20$dba20fcf@default>...
> >MaestroJMK <maest...@aol.com> wrote in article
> ><19980212180...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >> I am wondering the same.....it was a powerful moment when the two of them
> >> locked eyes......
> >>
> >
> >I thought the same thing while watching the movie and tried to think back
> >to any earlier scenes in the film in which they may have met or spoke. But
> >then it occurred to me, here they are hanging on to the railing of an
> >enormous ship that's pulling them under the cold and dark North Atlantic
> >waters. As far as they know, the lifeboats are gone and help is never
> >going to arrive; death seems to be inevitable. Put me in that situation
> >and I would be handing out some pretty "powerful" glances too.
> >
> >CK
>
Aaron McClay
No, I thought it WAS a powerful subtle moment in the movie, but alas in the
script the girl who is hanging there is just fabrizios love interest
throughout the movie I think the test audiences hated fabrizio, and saw him
as too much comic relief spo they cut the scenes with the two of them
...but anyway.... So it was more than a subtle glance in a wierd
situation... Also, that guy that is next to them on the stern is the baker
who is a real figure from history...So the significance is that she is
sitting there all alone... And then rose realizes how lucky she is to be
with jack...
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Susan Bartholomew
There is a scene in the script which shows that, during the sinking,
Fabrizzio tries to persuade Helga to join him and Jack above decks.
She refuses, preferring to stay with her family. Fabrizzio sadly
leaves her, telling her he'll never forget her-which is sort of like
what he yells to the crowds, in a much more flippant and joking way
during the scene where the ship leaves Southampton ("I'll never forget
you"). Interesting juxtaposition, but it got lost when the parting
scene was cut. Oh, well!
EchoxStorm
>No, I thought it WAS a powerful subtle moment in the movie, but alas in the
>script the girl who is hanging there is just fabrizios love interest
>throughout the movie I think the test audiences hated fabrizio, and saw him
>as too much comic relief spo they cut the scenes with the two of them
>...but anyway.... So it was more than a subtle glance in a wierd
>situation... Also, that guy that is next to them on the stern is the baker
>who is a real figure from history...So the significance is that she is
>sitting there all alone... And then rose realizes how lucky she is to be
>with jack...
>
>
Hated Frabizio? How could anyone have hated Frabrizio? He was the life of the
movie! True, his comments may have been comical at times, but I saw him as a
very good part of the movie.
As for Helga (the woman dangling off the stern), her relationship with
Fabrizio is very well-done in the movie. I've read the script, I don't think it
was any less moving knowing of her connection with Jack's best friend.
~Echo
JWelch7208
The Baker sorta looked like JJ Astor though ;0
JenneSis1
I think it just meant that at that moment they were the same. Not first class
and steerage, but two people afraid for their lives and going down with the
ship.>Does anyone understand the significance of the scene when Rose and the
Debbie Stressner
Her name is Helga, and she was the shipboard girlfriend of Jack's friend Fabrizio. She can be
seen briefly in the steerage party area. As the ship was sinking, she chose to stay with her
family and not go with Fabrizio. Then, she finds herself at the stern with no one, and staring
at Jack and Rose. Helga's gaze seems to say, 'All of us may die, but at least you have someone
to be with you. You're not facing death alone.'
The scenes were filmed but cut that explained this.
Deb
>Does anyone understand the significance of the scene when Rose and the woman
>>hanging on the rail of the Stern as the back half of Titanic is sinking lock
>>eyes? There are two separate instances within a few seconds when the two