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Andrew Chaplin
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> [Image]
Art, see anyone you know?
news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
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ArtKramr
>23
>From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>Date: 1/16/04 3:07 AM Pacific
>Art, see anyone you know?
>news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
>
>This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
>--
>Andrew Chaplin
>SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT
Andrew,
Couldn't open the photos. Any other way in?
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
Andrew Chaplin
>
> >Subject: <Ping> Art Kramer (Was Re: US Air History - 26 photos + index - File
> >23
> >From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
> >Date: 1/16/04 3:07 AM Pacific
>
> >Art, see anyone you know?
> >news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
> >
> >This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
>
If you have alt.binaries.pictures.military on your server, you can go
to the newsgroup and see the message. The problem might be that you
use AOL.
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Andrew Chaplin
ArtKramr
>File
>From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>Date: 1/16/04 4:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4007D338...@yourfinger.rogers.com>
>
>ArtKramr wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: <Ping> Art Kramer (Was Re: US Air History - 26 photos + index -
>File
>> >23
>> >From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>> >Date: 1/16/04 3:07 AM Pacific
>>
>> >Art, see anyone you know?
>> >news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
>> >
>> >This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
>>
>> Couldn't open the photos. Any other way in?
>
>If you have alt.binaries.pictures.military on your server, you can go
>to the newsgroup and see the message. The problem might be that you
>use AOL.
>--
>Andrew Chaplin
Yup. I do use AOL. Any way in using AOL?
ArtKramr
>File
>From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>>
>> >Subject: <Ping> Art Kramer (Was Re: US Air History - 26 photos + index -
>File
>> >23
>> >From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>> >Date: 1/16/04 3:07 AM Pacific
>>
>> >Art, see anyone you know?
>> >news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
>> >
>> >This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
>>
>> Couldn't open the photos. Any other way in?
>
>If you have alt.binaries.pictures.military on your server, you can go
>to the newsgroup and see the message. The problem might be that you
>use AOL.
>--
>Andrew Chaplin
>
Got in but can't find file 23. When I use the URL you gave me it says I am not
authorised entry Any ideas? I'll keep trying.
Don Aitken
>>Subject: Re: <Ping> Art Kramer (Was Re: US Air History - 26 photos + index -
>>File
>>From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>>Date: 1/16/04 4:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <4007D338...@yourfinger.rogers.com>
>>
>>ArtKramr wrote:
>>>
>>> >Subject: <Ping> Art Kramer (Was Re: US Air History - 26 photos + index -
>>File
>>> >23
>>> >From: Andrew Chaplin abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>>> >Date: 1/16/04 3:07 AM Pacific
>>>
>>> >Art, see anyone you know?
>>> >news:Xns9471D0232DD39th...@64.164.98.50
>>> >
>>> >This should be on topic for AHB as they likely took off from the UK.
>>>
>>> Couldn't open the photos. Any other way in?
>>
>>If you have alt.binaries.pictures.military on your server, you can go
>>to the newsgroup and see the message. The problem might be that you
>>use AOL.
>
>Yup. I do use AOL. Any way in using AOL?
There may not be. I have (temporarily) put the image on my website. Go
to http://home.freeuk.net/don-aitken/wade/plane.html
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Don Aitken
Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being
read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com".
Rod Keys
I like the guy smoking! Is that you Art?
Art, if you ever get the pic to open, what's that line dropping down from
the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or something?
R
"Andrew Chaplin" <abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote in message
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Andrew Chaplin
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> On 16 Jan 2004 12:06:31 GMT, artk...@aol.com (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> There may not be. I have (temporarily) put the image on my website. Go
> to http://home.freeuk.net/don-aitken/wade/plane.html
Thank you, Don.
Rod Keys
I just e-mailed ' ya the pick .. see if that works.
Rod
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Andrew Chaplin
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> Great photo!
It looks as if it was taken with a telephoto lens from the rear gunner's
position in a leading aircraft. It is quite striking.
> I like the guy smoking! Is that you Art?
One of the aspects I am curious about is the use of cigarettes in an
aircraft in which, I presume there is an oxypen system close at hand
(although this is plainly not a high altitude mission).
> Art, if you ever get the pic to open, what's that line dropping down
from
> the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or
something?
I was wondering about that line too.
ArtKramr
>File
>Date: 1/16/04 4:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <8bnf00lg9nro9uvcb...@4ax.com>
Thank you. Love the shot. Got package guns. It must likely is a G.
Great shot but that is not me in the nose. ((:->))
ArtKramr
>File
>Date: 1/16/04 6:33 AM Pacifi
>Art,
>
>I just e-mailed ' ya the pick .. see if that works.
>
>Rod
Yup. Works good. Thanks a bunch. Love the shot.
ArtKramr
>From: "Rod Keys" rk...@comcast.net
>Date: 1/16/04 6:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id:
>Art?
>
>Art, if you ever get the pic to open, what's that line dropping down from
>the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or something?
>
>R
Those are the package guns. There were four 50 caliber heavy MG's operated by
the pilot mounted on later model B-26's. This might well be a G model
Marauder..
ArtKramr
>File 23 of 27 - 01097628_035.jpg (1/1))
>Date: 1/16/04 7:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1107d4$a92...@parl5.parl.gc.ca>
>
>"Rod Keys" <rk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Great photo!
>
>It looks as if it was taken with a telephoto lens from the rear gunner's
>position in a leading aircraft. It is quite striking.
>
>> I like the guy smoking! Is that you Art?
Nope not me.
One of the aspects I am curious about is the use of cigarettes in an
>aircraft in which, I presume there is an oxypen system close at hand
>(although this is plainly not a high altitude mission).
We smoked our heads off all the time. It helped keep sanity. But no smoking on
landing or take-off.
Art, if you ever get the pic to open, what's that line dropping down
>from
>> the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or
>something?
>
>I was wondering about that line too.
Those were the four 50 caliber package guns operated by the pilot that can be
clearly seen. That makes this a pretty late model B-26. Probably a G model--
Andrew Chaplin
> >From: "Andrew Chaplin" abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
> >Message-id: <1107d4$a92...@parl5.parl.gc.ca>
> >
> >"Rod Keys" <rk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:K6qdna6gt_m...@comcast.com...
> >from
> >> the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or
> >something?
> >
> >I was wondering about that line too.
>
>
> Those were the four 50 caliber package guns operated by the pilot that
can be
> clearly seen. That makes this a pretty late model B-26. Probably a G
model--
Art, I think you've missed what we were driving at; you might need your
cheaters for this. There is a fine line near the 6 o'clock position that
extends down and fades to grey. It might be a trailing wire antenna, or
could be a defect in the negative. I cannot see how it would connect with
the package guns.
Also, can you tell to which bomber group the aircraft would have belonged
or where it would have been used on ops?
ArtKramr
>File 23 of 27 - 01097628_035.jpg (1/1))
>From: "Andrew Chaplin" abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>Message-id: <1107d4$c313...@parl5.parl.gc.ca>
>
>"ArtKramr" <artk...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >From: "Andrew Chaplin" abch...@yourfinger.rogers.com
>> >Message-id: <1107d4$a92...@parl5.parl.gc.ca>
>> >
>> >"Rod Keys" <rk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >news:K6qdna6gt_m...@comcast.com...
>> >> Art, if you ever get the pic to open, what's that line dropping down
>> >from
>> >> the bottom of the plane and a little to the right? An antenna or
>> >something?
>> >
>> >I was wondering about that line too.
>>
>>
>> Those were the four 50 caliber package guns operated by the pilot that
>can be
>> clearly seen. That makes this a pretty late model B-26. Probably a G
>model--
>
>Art, I think you've missed what we were driving at; you might need your
>cheaters for this. There is a fine line near the 6 o'clock position that
>extends down and fades to grey. It might be a trailing wire antenna, or
>could be a defect in the negative. I cannot see how it would connect with
>the package guns.
I see it now. Don't know what it is. Looks like a trailing wire antenna. We
never had one like that and if you look at "Stripes in Formation" on my
website you get good views of the bottom of a flight of B-26's and no such wire
is visible on any of the planes.. Beats me.
>
>Also, can you tell to which bomber group the aircraft would have belonged
>or where it would have been used on ops?
Can't tell. The group since that is designated by the tail markings. For
example my group the 344 had a white triangle on the tail and the fuselage
markings indicated the squadron. Mine was K9J for the 494th squadron. Since
neither of those markings are visible I can't identify the unit. Sorry.
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>Andrew Chaplin
>SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO