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When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

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gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Oct 4, 2001, 3:49:24 PM10/4/01
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Stu wrote:
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> "gregory....@ntlworld.com" <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<3BB650EB...@ntlworld.com>...
>
> > You don't know much about the way the media works Mark. The Holy Cross
> > debacle was given a pro-UDA spin in much of the local media here but the
> > UDA were given a bad press in the USA.
>
> Utter nonsense once again - do you somehow manage to watch the Orange
> Lodge Channel for you "insights" into N Irish news.


I live in Northern Ireland, the Sunday Business Post made the same
observations. They said that folks were fighting to find some reason why
the poor misunderstood death squads would want to bomb some children and
were as keen as mustard to explore any possibility that might suggest
that somehow bombing the kids might have been in some way legitimate.

That was the sort of media coverage the British and even RTE gave it.
That would be the historical norm. Northern Irish Catholics are third
class citizens on a good day in the UK, it has always been so, try
reading a history book. It would be a mistake to compare my part of the
UK with South Africa or Alabama, we are not that lucky. Our bigoted
white trash have a lot of media support.


When you face fascists, weasel words won't do


By Damien Kiberd and Frank Connolly
Dublin, Ireland, 9 September, 2001
Sunday Business Post


"If we are to believe much of the media commentary about the attacks on
children attending the Holy Cross School in Ardoyne, the loyalist blast
bombers are also victims.

If we are to accept the advice of some, usually rational, commentators,
the parents of these children should not be so irresponsible and attempt
to bring them to school. If they do, they should go across a grass
verge, a football pitch, through a small gate, another school and in the
back door -- just like the untermenschen they are seen as in loyalist
districts..

Commentators in RTE and the southern media have suggested that loyalist
thugs shouting "Fenian scum", throwing stones and blast bombs at crying
four-year-olds and behaving generally like demented animals, would not
be on the streets if the parents of these children did not insist on
bringing them to school. Once again, victims are seen as creators of
their own misfortune: the bizarre demands of their loyalist tormentors
portrayed as being, in some sense, reasonable."

http://www.sbpost.ie/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-26637

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Gregory

Stu

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Oct 4, 2001, 4:43:45 PM10/4/01
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:49:24 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>I live in Northern Ireland,

How do you reconcile your domicile with running a massive media group
in the US?

<snipped a lot of shite>

You seem to be under the impression that I support the loyalist
bigots. I dont give a shit about them - they are as much a bunch of
dumb fucks as your beloved IRA.

Go on surprise us.....say something positive about N Ireland?

Stu


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if we are to keep track of your diatribes we need to know the original
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Rufio

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<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Stu wrote:
> >
> > "gregory....@ntlworld.com" <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote
in message news:<3BB650EB...@ntlworld.com>...
> >
> > > You don't know much about the way the media works Mark. The Holy
Cross
> > > debacle was given a pro-UDA spin in much of the local media here but
the
> > > UDA were given a bad press in the USA.
> >
> > Utter nonsense once again - do you somehow manage to watch the Orange
> > Lodge Channel for you "insights" into N Irish news.
>
>
> I live in Northern Ireland, the Sunday Business Post made the same
> observations. They said that folks were fighting to find some reason why
> the poor misunderstood death squads would want to bomb some children and
> were as keen as mustard to explore any possibility that might suggest
> that somehow bombing the kids might have been in some way legitimate.
>
> That was the sort of media coverage the British and even RTE gave it.
> That would be the historical norm. Northern Irish Catholics are third
> class citizens on a good day in the UK,

Shows what you know Gregory - you're paranoid. You could live in
Leicestershire
& not have grief from anyone. The only time I saw real no-brain activity,
was about 30+ years ago, when the first bleck family moved into the village.
Now that same family gets equal consideration & concern as anyone else.

Being a Northern Irsh Catholic wouldn't get you any different treatment -
supporting
terrorists would.

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Oct 4, 2001, 5:36:08 PM10/4/01
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Stu wrote:


>
> Stu
>
> PS - Its bad Usenet etiquete to change the Subject Header of a post -
> if we are to keep track of your diatribes we need to know the original
> Subject.


You don't, you very rarely (if ever) make germane commentaries. You
referred to the Sunday Business Post article as 'shite' for example.

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gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:
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> On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:49:24 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
> <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >I live in Northern Ireland,
>
> How do you reconcile your domicile with running a massive media group
> in the US?


Global media group, I worked on projects in Japan, Europe, the United
States and the UK. I got into the media business a long time ago, after
I left Cambridge, I started making records and producing soundtracks, it
was a hobby to start with, eventually I ended up a VP for an
Anglo-American media corporation.

One of my songs from the early 1980's was recently used as a title for
the Chinese Detectives album, 'Are Kisses Out of Fashion". I'd be more
popular these days in the Nordic, Baltic and Russian spheres. I still
get oodles of girls writing fan mail.

>
> <snipped a lot of shite>

Sunday Business Post actually. Here it is again.

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Oct 4, 2001, 5:40:26 PM10/4/01
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Rufio wrote:

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> Being a Northern Irsh Catholic wouldn't get you any different treatment -
> supporting
> terrorists would.


Northern Irish Catholics are the victims of more very violent hate
crimes in the UK than all the other ethnic and sectarian groupings
combined. In fact one might even multiply it by a few digits if we're
talking murders and bombings. Northern Irish Catholics are the most
persecuted ethnic grouping in Western Europe.

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M.J.Powell

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Oct 4, 2001, 6:28:00 PM10/4/01
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In article <3BBCBD44...@ntlworld.com>,
gregory....@ntlworld.com <gregory....@ntlworld.com> writes

>
>
>Stu wrote:
>>
>> "gregory....@ntlworld.com" <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>message news:<3BB650EB...@ntlworld.com>...
>>
>> > You don't know much about the way the media works Mark. The Holy Cross
>> > debacle was given a pro-UDA spin in much of the local media here but the
>> > UDA were given a bad press in the USA.
>>
>> Utter nonsense once again - do you somehow manage to watch the Orange
>> Lodge Channel for you "insights" into N Irish news.
>
>
>I live in Northern Ireland, the Sunday Business Post made the same
>observations. They said that folks were fighting to find some reason why
>the poor misunderstood death squads would want to bomb some children and
>were as keen as mustard to explore any possibility that might suggest
>that somehow bombing the kids might have been in some way legitimate.
>
>That was the sort of media coverage the British and even RTE gave it.

Not true. I saw several BBC and ITV news items about it, and there was
only one short item of a Protestant woman complaining about Catholic
intrusion into her area. The whole coverage was very sympathetic to the
ordeal of the children and parents.

(Cue Greg's rant about British hypocrisy)

Mike
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Rufio

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<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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All I was saying was, where I grew up in the UK - if you are nice to me,
I'll be nice to you.

If you support those who commit acts of violence, then I'll think of you in
a similar category,
and won't be nice.

M.J.Powell

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Oct 4, 2001, 6:42:12 PM10/4/01
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>> >I live in Northern Ireland,
>>
>> How do you reconcile your domicile with running a massive media group
>> in the US?
>
>Global media group, I worked on projects in Japan, Europe, the United
>States and the UK. I got into the media business a long time ago, after
>I left Cambridge, I started making records and producing soundtracks, it
>was a hobby to start with, eventually I ended up a VP for an
>Anglo-American media corporation.

Ah! Now we know. Fantasy land.

Mike
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Alan Smaill

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Oct 4, 2001, 9:18:37 PM10/4/01
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"M.J.Powell" <mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> writes:

That's my impression of the British BBC and ITV coverage too.

But what would I know?? --
I only listen to it and watch it.

>
> Mike
> --
> M.J.Powell

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Rufio

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"Alan Smaill" <sma...@dai.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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I'd recommend keep watching Newsnight & reading The Independent.
Wish I could get them in the States, now I've moved !

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Nope all true.

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gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Oct 5, 2001, 12:23:50 AM10/5/01
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"M.J.Powell" wrote:

>
> Not true. I saw several BBC and ITV news items about it, and there was
> only one short item of a Protestant woman complaining about Catholic
> intrusion into her area. The whole coverage was very sympathetic to the
> ordeal of the children and parents.
>
> (Cue Greg's rant about British hypocrisy)
>
> Mike
> --
> M.J.Powell

Lots of current items in the media *today* about the hypocritical
coverage.

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gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Alan Smaill wrote:

>
> That's my impression of the British BBC and ITV coverage too.
>
> But what would I know?? --
> I only listen to it and watch it.
>


The British media gets a 10 out of 10 for naked bigotry and one
sidedness in our local tabloids today. Same issue obviously. What can I
say Alan, from the victim's perspective it is as bigoted as sin. Will
you settle for that? The UK is a horrendously bigoted place when it
comes to media coverage of Northern Irish Catholic issues.

"This is nonsense. If the IRA was engaged in even a fraction of the
violence that loyalists have been engaged in, then Sinn Fein’s feet
wouldn’t touch the ground. There would be such a deafening outpouring of
disapproval from unionists and the Irish and British media that Mr Reid
would be forced to act. The only reason that the Secretary of State
feels able to indulge in such fancy footwork a propos the loyalist
paramilitaries is that he knows the response will be relatively muted.
The Ardoyne debacle is allowed to continue because there is no pressure
on the authorities to act – it is only nationalists, after all, who are
getting it in the neck. No trade unions walk with the parents and
children to school – it is left to the new Tory shadow Secretary of
State, of all people, to embarrass the comrades on that score. The
familiar peace train faces are nowhere to be seen as the bombs explode
nightly and teenagers and schoolboys are gunned to death. No doves of
peace are released to mark the murder of Martin O’Hagan, no tens of
thousands hold lit candles aloft at City Hall. All of this we have seen
so many times before; in its glaring absence now, it can be seen for the
sickening and cynical hypocrisy that it was."

http://www.irelandclick.com/comment/details.cfm?id=5620

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unglued

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Reginald Perrin

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:40:26 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>
>Rufio wrote:
>
>>
>> Being a Northern Irsh Catholic wouldn't get you any different treatment -
>> supporting
>> terrorists would.
>
>
>Northern Irish Catholics are the victims of more very violent hate
>crimes in the UK than all the other ethnic and sectarian groupings
>combined.

Absolute and utter rubbish.

You seem to think that if you repeat such nonesense often enough,
someone is going to believe you.

I've never read such utter crap from anyone before.

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Oct 5, 2001, 10:36:16 AM10/5/01
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"Féachadóir" wrote:
>
> Scríobh Reginald Perrin :

> It being Greig, I'm inclined to agree.
>
> OTOH, how many Asian homes in the UK have been firebombed this year?
>
> --
> An Féachadóir - Lig futh agus cluinfidh na clocha thú!
> Read the SCI FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/welisc/ifaq


There have reportedly been 250 'boom boom' bombings of Catholics *this*
year. Nobody counts gasoline bombs these days. I suspect there might be
a petrol bomb thrown over the peace wall to keep every grenade or blast
bomb or fragmentation device or booby trap bomb company. I couldn't
honestly tell you.

Northern Irish Catholics are certainly the most bombed and murdered
ethnic grouping that the UK has seen in a couple of hundred years,
Northern Irish Catholics are at the very top of the hate crime list of
victims and the UK has more very violent or extreme hate crime than the
rest of Western Europe added together.

In fact Northern Irish Catholics probably account for more serious hate
crime than all the other ethnic groups in Western Europe (inc. the UK)
added together.

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Reginald Perrin

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Oct 5, 2001, 10:46:06 AM10/5/01
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:36:16 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:


>There have reportedly been 250 'boom boom' bombings of Catholics *this*
>year. Nobody counts gasoline bombs

<snipped>

"gasoline"? Are you American?

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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unglued wrote:


The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?

Would that be advocated in Alabama for Black children? The police in
Alabama would open fire on the bombers and terrorists is what I think.
In Northern Ireland they've done just about everything but give them a
medal.

I'm no fan of the United States but the police in Alabama would shoot
the racists is what I think. No chance of that ever happening in the UK.
The BBC report also called the white trash bigots and bombers
'protesters' rather than UDA terrorists. That wouldn't happen in
Alabama, they'd be called bigots, racists or terrorists.

The second BBC report is an utter disgrace, the UDA terrorists are
bombing the little children and they are still being described as
(seemingly) reasonable people or words to that effect. Once again the
BBC seems to be suggesting that tiny kids should go to school by boat or
rough terrain vehicles or be plopped on the roof by helicopter as a
reasonable alternative to using the front door.

In Alabama the racist bombers would either be shot dead on the spot by
police or charged with serious terrorist crime, in the UK they are
allowed to bomb with complete impunity. For example out of the last 250
UDA bombings there have been no charges pressed and no prosecutions.

Alabama might have it's problems but it is much more civilized than the
UK with respect to this genre of atrocity. In the USA the media would
expect the police to shoot the terrorists dead or arrest them. Shooting
bigoted white trash terrorists in the United Kingdom would cause the
nation to quake to it's foundations, it would be out of the question.
The UDA terrorists have a charmed life.

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Stu

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Oct 5, 2001, 1:03:47 PM10/5/01
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:31:46 GMT, sunde...@removethis-hotmail.com
(Reginald Perrin) wrote:

>>Northern Irish Catholics are the victims of more very violent hate
>>crimes in the UK than all the other ethnic and sectarian groupings
>>combined.
>
>Absolute and utter rubbish.
>
>You seem to think that if you repeat such nonesense often enough,
>someone is going to believe you.
>
>I've never read such utter crap from anyone before.

Reggie - get used to it my man - this guy is a loon. But I feel the
need to keep his naked bigotry in check, as we all must.

His propaganda can be compared to Goeballs - keep telling lies and
eventually the fools will believe him.

Stu

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:

>
> His propaganda can be compared to Goeballs - keep telling lies and
> eventually the fools will believe him.
>
> Stu


What alleged lies are these my little friend? I'm saying the vey same
thing as lots of quality broadsheets and I think you are losing it
completely. If I post something it is invariably accurate.

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Stu

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On 5 Oct 2001 10:37:33 -0700, cadiz <ca...@law.com> wrote:

>>
>>His propaganda can be compared to Goeballs - keep telling lies and
>>eventually the fools will believe him.
>>
>>Stu
>

>If you are going to menton a German by name, then please learn to spell his
>name.
>
>Cadiz

Hitler has only got one ball
Goering has two but very small
Himmler has something similar
But Goeballs has no balls at all.

To paraphrase Mark Twain

"I would never trust a man who can only spell a word one way"

Go away Greg, we haven't seen Jabir the Hut recently - been missing
the bilge he writes.

So this is Christmas?

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sunde...@removethis-hotmail.com (Reginald Perrin) wrote in message news:<3bbdc788.367741521@eurnews0>...

Being pedantic adds nothing to the reality that what has been said is
truth. Although the British have been highly successful at covering up
their atrocities, Northern Irish catholics ARE subject to night race
hate attacks. In fact these are backed up by the british establishment
and unionism which gives it tacit support by failing to highlight the
daily attacks that go on.

The light on the horizon is that since the IRA ceasefire it is
becoming increasing more difficult for them to hide the sickness of
this racist state. Trimble has twice been defeated in court and Reid's
statements on loyalist murders, bombs and drug racketeering have made
him a laughing stock.

Call it petrol, inflammable liquid....anything you like. The fact of
the matter is that gasoline has been used to great effect in the
British race attacks against the Irish.

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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So this is Christmas? wrote:
>
> sunde...@removethis-hotmail.com (Reginald Perrin) wrote in message news:<3bbdc788.367741521@eurnews0>...
> > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:36:16 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
> > <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >There have reportedly been 250 'boom boom' bombings of Catholics *this*
> > >year. Nobody counts gasoline bombs
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > "gasoline"? Are you American?
>
> Being pedantic adds nothing to the reality that what has been said is
> truth. Although the British have been highly successful at covering up
> their atrocities, Northern Irish catholics ARE subject to night race
> hate attacks. In fact these are backed up by the british establishment
> and unionism which gives it tacit support by failing to highlight the
> daily attacks that go on.


The UK is the hate crime capital of Western Europe. Northern Irish
Catholics are the primary victims.

>
> The light on the horizon is that since the IRA ceasefire it is
> becoming increasing more difficult for them to hide the sickness of
> this racist state. Trimble has twice been defeated in court and Reid's
> statements on loyalist murders, bombs and drug racketeering have made
> him a laughing stock.


He is a complete fool and is now seen as an apologist for the less than
grateful death squads and bombers. They've nothing but contempt for
their benefactor.


>
> Call it petrol, inflammable liquid....anything you like. The fact of
> the matter is that gasoline has been used to great effect in the
> British race attacks against the Irish.

Tens of thousands of Catholics were ethnic cleansed.

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Stu

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On 5 Oct 2001 13:05:22 -0700, Hmha...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is
Christmas?) wrote:

>their atrocities, Northern Irish catholics ARE subject to night race
>hate attacks.

They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.

AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each other - so
what is the fecking point in your mindless little post?

Stu

Alan Smaill

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"Rufio" <davec...@home.com> writes:

I do read the Guardian, and often Libération.

OK too ??

So this is Christmas?

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Stu <skin...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<hlhtrt0v0ujsvfr0d...@4ax.com>...

.....They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.....

Tell that to the British Army, RUC, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red hand commandoes
who are carrying out these attacks. The reason why race was brought
into it was to support the argument that these race hate attacks ARE
happening. Please read the posts before posturing.

.....AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each
other.....

Where did you get THIS piece of intellegentsia from?

.....what is the fecking point in your mindless little post......

So that mindless little posters like you might be better educated as
to what goes on here. Go stew....stu.

Stu

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On 7 Oct 2001 09:34:50 -0700, hmha...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is
Christmas?) wrote:

>
>.....They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.....
>
>Tell that to the British Army, RUC, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red hand commandoes
>who are carrying out these attacks.

The British Army and the RUC are attacking who?

>The reason why race was brought
>into it was to support the argument that these race hate attacks ARE
>happening. Please read the posts before posturing.

These attacks are based on religion not RACE.


>
>.....AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each
>other.....
>
>Where did you get THIS piece of intellegentsia from?
>

Having lived in Britain all my life (34yrs so far) you do not need to
be Einstein to work out that they are as bad as each other - or are
the IRA just protecting the poor downtrodden catholics when they set
off bombs on the Mainland.

>.....what is the fecking point in your mindless little post......
>
>So that mindless little posters like you might be better educated as
>to what goes on here. Go stew....stu.

No the point is pathetic little bigots like you get to spew out their
hatred. Your so thick you think Catholics and Protestants are a
different race, who needs the educating.

Stu

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:
>
> On 7 Oct 2001 09:34:50 -0700, hmha...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is
> Christmas?) wrote:
>
> >
> >.....They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.....
> >
> >Tell that to the British Army, RUC, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red hand commandoes
> >who are carrying out these attacks.
>
> The British Army and the RUC are attacking who?
>
> >The reason why race was brought
> >into it was to support the argument that these race hate attacks ARE
> >happening. Please read the posts before posturing.
>
> These attacks are based on religion not RACE.


The Serbo-Croat scenario is rather similar. They are the same ethnic
grouping but were having an inter-ethnic war. That is racism as well
even though it is the same race. The UDA in ULster are a race hate
organization (they are proper Nazis) and they subscribe to routine
neo-Nazi orthodoxy. They hate Blacks, Jews and Catholics. They dislike
the Chinese.

Burning Catholics children alive is no big deal, in their eyes the
children are not real human beings. How did you think that the extremist
Protestants in Ulster could do such things? They are not 'real'
sociopaths, it is sociopathic mimicry. They have no conscience because
they don't think the Catholic children are worth more than lice.

"Meanwhile, Catholic girls as young as four attending Holy Cross school
in the Ardoyne area continue to be intimidated by a loyalist gauntlet of
hate twice a day. As the daily standoff at Holy Cross Primary School
entered its second month, parish priest Fr Aidan Troy urged political
leaders to step up their efforts to end the situation and warned of
lasting damage to the children. After pipe bomb attacks during early
violent clashes, loyalist have hurled a range of missiles at the
children and their parents, including fireworks, bricks and dog
excrement. This morning, the loyalists sound a barrage of abuse,
whistles and foghorns as the parents passed, while the children have
taken to singing songs to drown out the
abuse."

RM Distribution 10/12/01

The UDA adopted a pseudo-Ulster race theory to coincide with the
neo-Nazi ideology they were inclined to pursue. However internal racism
and ethnicity which might be factored in by religion are two key
components in xenophobia or similar hatreds. The only external
political allies the UDA have are other neo-Nazis and racist allies,
such as the old apartheid South African government who helped arm them.

A Lord Mayor (Ulster Unionist Party) of Belfast was once in the New
Ulster Political Research Group (the research wing of the UDA). He then
published his lunatic race ideas in the UDA's magazine "Ulster", under
the alias "Sam Sloan". They went like this:

"You are the children of the Cruithin, the sons and daughters of the
picts. This is OUR land, YOUR culture, YOUR heritage - You are indeed
the people" (his capitals).

Death Squad murals in Belfast reflect that same (bogus) racial theory.
The UDA are very like the Aryan Brotherhood, the latter hate many other
legitimate Indo-Aryan types, as did the Nazis themselves of course.
When one is dealing with degenerate Ulster bigots it doesn't have to
make any more scientific sense than the original Nazis made. They are
disgusting monsters, if they were decent people they would not be in the
UDA.

They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
up as they go along. The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
violent political hate culture.

Fascist and neo-Nazi politics blend and flourish with the Ulster
landscape because the supremacists tend to have a great deal of sympathy
with other like minded bigots. Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia,
Northern Cyprus and even Israel (of all places) and so on and so forth.
There are numerous external neo-Nazi connections to the UDA death
squads. C-18 also helped supply them with weapons, as did the British.

>
> No the point is pathetic little bigots like you get to spew out their
> hatred. Your so thick you think Catholics and Protestants are a
> different race, who needs the educating.
>
> Stu


Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies. Sane
minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.

--
Respectfully submitted

Gregory

Stu

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>The Serbo-Croat scenario is rather similar. They are the same ethnic
>grouping but were having an inter-ethnic war. That is racism as well
>even though it is the same race. The UDA in ULster are a race hate
>organization (they are proper Nazis) and they subscribe to routine
>neo-Nazi orthodoxy. They hate Blacks, Jews and Catholics. They dislike
>the Chinese.

No the ETHNIC scenario was based around their hatred for Muslims -
they falsely argued that the majority of Muslems were blood desendants
of the Turks. This was not the case an minority of them had Turkish
blood.


>
>>They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
>were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
>up as they go along. The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
>ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
>violent political hate culture.

Wait a minute - the The Irish Republican were quite fond of the Nazi's
- were they not inviting them into their country - "my enemies enemies
are my friend" and all that BS.

>
>Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
>people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
>the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies. Sane
>minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
>have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.

WHITE trash - sounds a bit racist to me.

Stu

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Stu wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:41:28 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
> <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >The Serbo-Croat scenario is rather similar. They are the same ethnic
> >grouping but were having an inter-ethnic war. That is racism as well
> >even though it is the same race. The UDA in ULster are a race hate
> >organization (they are proper Nazis) and they subscribe to routine
> >neo-Nazi orthodoxy. They hate Blacks, Jews and Catholics. They dislike
> >the Chinese.
>
> No the ETHNIC scenario was based around their hatred for Muslims -
> they falsely argued that the majority of Muslems were blood desendants
> of the Turks. This was not the case an minority of them had Turkish
> blood.


Nobody said it was, however it is still racism in the eyes of the UN and
other advocates. It has the same effect and the same type of cause. The
'sub-humans' (according to the Nazis) could still be real aryans (in
actuality). A race hate ideology doesn't have to make sense to sane
people.

The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,
that is why they are violent neo-Nazi fruitcakes. The UDA have Nazi
allies because they are real Nazis, they hate Jews, Blacks, and
Catholics.

Their bogus race-hate ideology is quite hitlerian. They march in and
down the streets in their brown uniforms by the thousand in this part of
the UK and they often blaze away with automatic weapons in the process
of those exhibitions.


> >
> >>They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
> >were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
> >up as they go along. The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
> >ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
> >violent political hate culture.
>
> Wait a minute - the The Irish Republican were quite fond of the Nazi's
> - were they not inviting them into their country - "my enemies enemies
> are my friend" and all that BS.

The IRA fought the Nazis in Spain. The Nazis disliked the IRA and vice
versa. Stick to the actual topic. The UDA are a neo-Nazi organization
with a pseudo-racial theory.


>
> >
> >Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
> >people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
> >the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies. Sane
> >minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
> >have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.
>
> WHITE trash - sounds a bit racist to me.
>
> Stu


The UDA are what passes for degenerate white trash in this part of the
world. Are you trying to suggest that the UDA and the Aryan Brotherhood
are not white trash? Lots of people call the people who support the UDA
white trash. That is what they are.

--
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Gregory

Stu

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On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:19:16 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Nobody said it was, however it is still racism in the eyes of the UN and
>other advocates. It has the same effect and the same type of cause. The
>'sub-humans' (according to the Nazis) could still be real aryans (in
>actuality). A race hate ideology doesn't have to make sense to sane
>people.
>

Correct and neither does bigotry and that is why I cant make sense of
your BS.


>The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,

Bollox!!

>The UDA are what passes for degenerate white trash in this part of the
>world. Are you trying to suggest that the UDA and the Aryan Brotherhood
>are not white trash? Lots of people call the people who support the UDA
>white trash. That is what they are.

Lots of people call them that - that makes it correct then? Its just
another inflammatory comment from you.

Stu

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:

>
> >The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,
>
> Bollox!!


The details are in the public domain, do a google groups search or a WWW
search. Is bad language the only thing you are capable of?

The UDA are a neo-Nazi organization with lots of neo-Nazi supporters
within the UK, thousands of them march up and down in their brown
uniforms and at the end of their parades they fire South African assault
rifles in the air (or wherever).

They do this in the UK. They have a bogus race hate ideology. They are
the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping Western Europe has seen since the
real thing was on our doorstep. There are about 9,000 or so UDA thugs
in the United Kingdom. At one time there were 40,000.

--
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Gregory

Rufio

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"Alan Smaill" <sma...@dai.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:fwehetc...@puffin.dai.ed.ac.uk...
"Rufio" <davec...@home.com> writes:

OK too ??


Well....The Grauniad do sometimes get it wrong, but far less so that the
Daily Excess, or the Scum.
Wish I could find a quality daily broadsheet, here in the USA, that had the
same quality!

P.S. Message to Usama bin Laden - Duck you mother-f**ker. Put your head
between your knees
and kiss your ass goodbye. I'm a 39YO ex-pat Brit, I'm too old & not yet a
US citizen, but I'd
volunteer to serve, if I could.


Stu

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On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:59:36 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> >The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,
>>
>> Bollox!!
>
>
>The details are in the public domain, do a google groups search or a WWW
>search. Is bad language the only thing you are capable of?
>

Look you prat - I am sure I could dig up some right wing website that
said Jews are desended from cockroaches - doesn't make it right does -
oops I forgot you are in PR so you are used to believing the BS you
write.


>
>They do this in the UK. They have a bogus race hate ideology. They are
>the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping Western Europe has seen since the
>real thing was on our doorstep.

As in the real thing that were supported by your SF hero's? You are
such a twat are you seriously suggesting that Germany, Austria or
France have smaller groups of right wing extremists than NI.

Stu

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:59:36 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
> <gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >> >The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,
> >>
> >> Bollox!!
> >
> >
> >The details are in the public domain, do a google groups search or a WWW
> >search. Is bad language the only thing you are capable of?
> >
> Look you prat - I am sure I could dig up some right wing website that
> said Jews are desended from cockroaches - doesn't make it right does -
> oops I forgot you are in PR so you are used to believing the BS you
> write.

The UDA race hate ideology is in the public domain. They had a race
research bureau (just like the first Nazis). Hitler said that the Jews
were a disease infecting Germany and that became a fundamental part of
his race hate ideology.

The UDA have a similar approach to Catholics in Northern Ireland. They
also have a race hate ideology based on 'research' which is every bit as
bogus as the hateful drivel that Hitler sold his people. You really do
have the most appalling manners by the way.

"Military-style parade as masked men take to streets - DEFIANT UDA men
staged a mass show of strength in Belfast yesterday - as the row over
the paramilitary group's "ceasefire" continued to rage. Around 50 masked
men wearing Army-style combat dress formed a colour party, to lead
several thousand UDA members and supporters through the streets of a
notorious north Belfast interface."

http://146.101.2.112/content.asp?issue=&section=news&id=21483

They are the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping in Western Europe and they
use more bombs than all the other terror groupings added together. They
like killing Catholics, they bomb little Catholic kids on their way to
school, they use automatic weapons on Catholic kindergartens and they
are very evil and very dangerous.

--
Respectfully submitted

Gregory

Stu

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Military-style parade as masked men take to streets - DEFIANT IRA men
staged a mass show of strength in Belfast.

Now I am sure I have seen some backward IRA member with his stupid
Balaclava on that his mammy made for him. Let me think.......yup at
those funerals when another terrorist ended his miserable life. I
always raise a glass everytime a terrorist (on both sides) throws a
seven.

Stuart

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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Stu wrote:

> Now I am sure I have seen some backward IRA member with his stupid
> Balaclava on that his mammy made for him. Let me think.......yup at
> those funerals when another terrorist ended his miserable life. I
> always raise a glass everytime a terrorist (on both sides) throws a
> seven.
>
> Stuart


Only two loyalists were killed by the security forces in the last
quarter of a century. The IRA were not so lucky and the IRA were an
awful lot smaller than the UDA.

The UDA are the most prolific terrorist bombers in Western Europe and
they lead a charmed life within the United Kingdom.

They hold mass festivals of hate courtesy of the British. They made two
thousand folks homeless after their last 'festival' in West Belfast last
year.
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Gregory

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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So this is Christmas? wrote:
>

Stu is not really a rocket scientist. I've no idea why he posts to a
history forum.

--
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Gregory

Stu

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>
>
>Stu is not really a rocket scientist. I've no idea why he posts to a
>history forum.

But Greg - you only went to a College!! - Some of us went to
University!!

Racists___Religions

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Racists Religions

1.Church is "two bodies, one Black Christian, one white
Christian-separate and divided.

2.Sudras (Untouchables Hindus)

Hindu Church is "two bodies, one Brahmin Hindu , one Untouchable Hindu
separate and divided.

The holocaust was sponsored by "Christians".
American slavery was "justified" by "Christians".

Please visit:
Sudras (Untouchables Hindus) Holocaust Museum
http://www.dalitstan.org/holocaust/

Fight White Power
Fight Brahmin Hindu Power
Fight Imperialism

Fight Racism

M.J.Powell

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>
>The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?

Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
mean it, please. Please?

Mike

PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.
--
M.J.Powell

Just Maura

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An Phoblacht/Republican News · Thursday 10 June 1999


Out of Order

The Orange Order and loyalist violence

By Laura Friel


Loyalist victim Elizabeth O'Neill

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It's grotesque. Speaking after attending a service at Drumcree Church,
leading Portadown Orangeman David Jones repeats the now well honed
denials of the Loyal Orders. ``As far as we are concerned there is no
link,'' his homily concludes. It is just a few short hours before the
funeral of Elizabeth O'Neill is due to take place in Portadown, but if
David Jones feels any kind of remorse he doesn't show it, all we get
is the ritual washing of Orange hands. ``We totally condemn any attack
of that nature and if anyone misguidedly thinks that they are in some
way helping the protest at Drumcree, then they aren't,'' says Jones.

A resident in the predominantly loyalist Corcrain district, Elizabeth
O'Neill lived little more than a stone's throw from the nationalist
estate around the Garvaghy Road. The Corcrain Road runs parallel with
Obins Street and forms part of the main route for Orange marches to
Drumcree Church. For over a year now Catholics living near the
Corcrain Road have endured almost nightly intimidation from Orange
supporters engaging in illegal protests around the interface of the
Garvaghy Road area. Since last July 18 families have been forced to
flee following loyalist intimidation, including petrol and pipe bomb
attacks on their homes.

In Craigwell Avenue, a minor slip road between Obins Street and
Corcrain Road, 12 out of 32 families have been intimidated out by
loyalists. In September 1998, RUC officer Frankie O'Reilly died after
he was struck by a blast bomb thrown by Orange supporters intent on
attacking Catholic homes along Craigwell Avenue. Tragically, other
fatalities come as no surprise. Given the level of sectarian
intimidation meted out against the Catholic community which has
accompanied the Orange Order's insistence of their right to march down
Garvaghy Road, the only surprise lies in the fact that more people
haven't been killed.

At the height of the Drumcree standoff last year, within a 48-hour
period, 73 Catholic homes and 71 Catholic-owned businesses were
attacked by protesting Orange supporters. The attacks culminated in
the deaths of the Quinn children, three little boys who screamed as
they died trapped in their petrol-bombed home. In the last year, over
150 Catholic families living in predominantly loyalist estates have
had their homes fire bombed. According to official government
statistics, over 1,350 families have been forced to flee their homes
because of intimidation. And still David Jones stands in front of the
cameras to deny any link.

Elizabeth O'Neill is the latest of ten people whose deaths have been
directly linked to the Orange Order's protest at Drumcree - a
59-year-old Protestant mother and grandmother who had lived with her
family in the predominantly loyalist Corcrain estate for over 36
years. The fact that her husband Joseph was a Catholic was sufficient
for the O'Neill family to be targeted. Fatalities arising out of the
Drumcree protest include Michael McGoldrick, a Catholic taxi driver
shot dead in at the height of the Drumcree standoff of July 1996. A
random sectarian murder, his death was ordered by loyalist killer and
prominent Drumcree protester Billy Wright.


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Grand Master Robert Saulters insists that Portadown Orangemen have an
``absolute right'' to parade along the contentious route... Mr Watson
[County Grand Master of Armagh] also confirmed that the Grand Lodge
was backing calls for a public inquiry into the death of LVF leader
Billy Wright
- Derry Journal, 4 June 1999.

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As tensions rose in Portadown during the run up to the Orange marching
season, Robert Hamill was kicked to death by a loyalist mob in the
town centre in April 1997 and Bernadette Martin was shot dead at her
Protestant boyfriend's home in July 1997. By this time Billy Wright,
expelled from the UVF, had organised his own loyalist terror group.
Based initially in Portadown, the LVF was later used as a cover for
other loyalist groupings to carry out a series of sectarian murders
throughout the Six Counties. A year later, Adrian Lamph, a Catholic
council worker from the Garvaghy Road estate, was shot dead in April
1998 as it became clear that the Parades Commission would reroute the
Orange Order's 5 July parade away from the nationalist Garvaghy Road.

The three Quinn children died in a petrol bomb attack on their Carnany
estate home, Ballymoney in July 1998. The children had attended an
Eleventh night bonfire on the predominantly loyalist estate where they
lived just hours before the fatal attack on their home. News of the
triple murder and public acknowledgement by Orange Chaplain Reverend
Bingham that their deaths were a direct consequence of the Drumcree
protest curtailed plans for a mass convergence of Orangemen at
Drumcree on the Twelfth last year. Bingham was later heckled by Spirit
of Drumcree leader Joel Patten and was thrown into a ditch by
Orangemen enraged by his questioning of the Drumcree standoff after
the Quinn children's deaths.


Elizabeth O'Neill's coffin passes loyalist graffitti in Portadown, the
currently the cockpit of the nationalist nightmare in the Six Counties
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During Orange protests, which have continued almost nightly around the
Garvaghy Road since July of last year, RUC officer Frankie O'Reilly
died after being struck on the head by a blast bomb thrown by an
Orange supporter in October 1998. In March of this year, Rosemary
Nelson, a Lurgan solicitor, died in a loyalist car bomb attack. It is
widely believed that she was targeted because of her high profile
support of Garvaghy Road residents. The latest victim, Elizabeth
O'Neill, died in a pipe bomb attack ``aimed at destroying the talks to
resolve Drumcree'', as Methodist Church leader David Kerr
acknowledged.

But the use of sectarian violence is by no means a recent departure
for the Orange Order. Indeed, its very foundation was rooted in the
blood of its Catholic victims. In 1795, a minor dispute escalated into
what became known by Orangemen as The battle of the Diamond, in which
40 Catholics were killed. From this incident, the Orange Order was
spawned. Speaking about the activities of the Order in 1795, the
Governor of Armagh told magistrates: ``It is no secret that a
persecution is now raging in this country... the only crime is... the
profession of the Roman Catholic faith. A lawless band have
constituted themselves judges..'' Throughout the 19th century, annual
Orange marches were accompanied by sectarian pogroms against Catholic
communities.

By the 20th century, partition consolidated the Orange Order as one of
the most significant power blocs in the Six Counties. Between the
imposition of partition in 1921 to the introduction of direct rule in
1972 all six Stormont Prime Ministers were Orangemen and out of 95
Stormont MPs, 87 belonged to the Orange Order. Throughout this period
anti-Catholic pogroms continued to be associated with Orange parades.
During one particular Twelfth parade in July 1932, a returning Orange
parade invaded a Catholic enclave off Lancaster Street in Belfast. In
the violence which ensued, nine people were killed and 2,241 Catholics
were driven from their homes.

In Portadown, the Orange citadel, links between Orangemen and loyalist
paramilitaries have remained particularly close. In a disputed march
in 1972, masked loyalist paramilitaries lined Obins street as an
Orange Parade was pushed through. But the most recent expression of
this was the close association of Portadown UVF, later LVF, leader
Billy Wright. Known as ``King Rat'', Billy Wright was a serial
sectarian killer, known to be responsible for at least 42 Catholic
deaths since 1989.



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If we're not down [Garvaghy Road] by the fourth of July, then we're
into a very dangerous situation. Because then we are on a slippery
slope towards something possibly as serious as civil war....[and] the
problem won't be at Drumcree, it will be throughout the country
- Portadown Orange Order spokesperson David Jones speaking to the
Boston Herald, May 1999.

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In the first Drumcree standoff in 1995 Wright was active in organising
barricades in the Charles Street area of the town while the Orange
brethren confronted the RUC at the top of Garvaghy Road. In 1996,
Wright played an even more prominent role. David Trimble, Unionist Mid
Ulster MP, held a series of meetings with the loyalist gunman at
Drumcree during the 1996 standoff as did members of the Portadown
Orange Lodge. As an act of solidarity with the Orange protest, Wright
authorised the kidnapping and murder of a Catholic taxi driver.

Following the murder of Michael McGoldrick, Wright was ordered to
leave the country by the Combined Loyalist Military Command, whose
ceasefire Wright had ignored. At a rally in support of Wright held in
Portadown, he was joined on the platform by Orange Grand Master Harold
Gracey. Jailed for intimidation in 1997, Wright continued to
orchestrate sectarian attacks from his prison cell before his own
death in November 1997. Even after his death and the orgy of LVF
killings which followed, the Orange Order's commitment to Billy Wright
continues. Only last week, following a meeting of the Grand Masters,
the Order reiterated its call for a public inquiry into Wright's
death. In stark contrast, the Orange Order has never called for an
inquiry into any of the deaths associated with their Drumcree
protests.

It is against this backdrop that the nationalist residents of Garvaghy
Road have been faced with the bizarre accusation by the Orange Order
of supporting `ethnic cleansing' during proximity talks with ACAS
mediator Frank Blair, held in Belfast this week. In a statement read
out to around 700 Orangemen after a service at Drumcree Church, the
Orange delegation accused Frank Blair of ``complete bias'' while
``noting with concern the desire of the Garvaghy Road Residents
Coalition to continue with their policy of exclusivity''. The
residents' document submitted during proximity talks endorses ``the
concept of ethnic cleansing'', the Orangemen reported.

Emerging from a meeting of Orange Order leaders held in Derry last
week, Grand Master Robert Saulters insisted that Orangemen had an
absolute right to march down the nationalist Garvaghy Road. ``We have
a civil right to walk down that road,'' said Saulters. Asked if the
Order had an absolute right to parade along the Garvaghy Road, the
Orange leader replied, ``Yes, we do believe in that.'' Day after day,
Catholic families are facing loyalist violence, from verbal abuse to
physical attack, from petrol to pipe bombings, sectarian intimidation
to sectarian murder. Catholic homes, Catholic business, Catholic
Churches, Catholic schools have all come under repeated loyalist
attack. And yet in the twisted mindset of Orangeism, challenging the
Orange Order's ``absolute right'' to march through a nationalist
residential area is tantamount to ``ethnic cleansing''. Who do you
think you are kidding Mr Saulters?


An unexploded loyalist pipe bomb of the sort that killed Elizabeth
O'Neill
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DRUMCREE DEATH TOLL

Michael McGoldrick, shot dead July 1996.
Robert Hamill, kicked to death April 1997.
Bernadette Martin, shot dead July 1997.
Adrian Lamph, shot dead April 1998.
The Quinn children, petrol bombed July 1998.
Frankie O'Reilly blast bomb attack October 1998.
Rosemary Nelson, car bomb attack, March 1999.
Elizabeth O'Neill, pipe bomb attack, June 1999.

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PIPE BOMB ATTACKS

In the most serious of a series of pipe bomb attacks this week,
59-year-old Elizabeth O'Neill was killed when a pipe bomb was thrown
through the living room window of her home in the early hours of
Saturday, 5 June. Her husband Joseph, who was watching television with
his wife at the time of the attack, escaped injury. The couple, a
mixed marriage, had lived in the predominantly loyalist Corcrain
estate, Portadown for over 36 years.
In a second attack in Portadown, a pipe bomb was thrown at a house
close to the O'Neill family's home. The device exploded in the garden.
A woman, teenage girl and 10-month-old baby escaped injury.
In Hilltown, County Down, a pipe bomb attack shattered the windows of
a Catholic family's home. Joe Murnin was watching television on
Saturday 5 June when the explosion rocked his house. The father of
four had moments before put his children upstairs to bed. This is the
second attack on the family. Six years ago Joe Murnin's mother was
badly injured by a letter bomb.
In Twinbrook, on the outskirts of Belfast, families were forced to
flee after two pipe bombs were discovered lying in a grass play area
beneath Acacia Avenue flats. The devices were believed to have been
thrown at the wall of the flats in the early hours of Sunday morning
but both failed to explode. Local children had been playing close to
the spot where the bombs were discovered.
Two pipe bombs were thrown at houses in the Catholic Short Strand on
Sunday night, 6 June. The bombs were thrown over walls at St.
Matthew's Court and Clandeboye Gardens. Neither device exploded.
Catholic school children have been targeted by loyalists in Ballymena.
A pipe bomb was discovered outside the canteen of St. Mary's primary
school in Harryville on Monday, 7 June.
A Catholic couple's home was petrol bombed on the Rathenraw Estate,
Antrim Town, on Monday morning, 7 June.
The home of Sinn Féin Councillor James McCarry was attacked by
loyalists using ``some sort of pellet gun'' on Sunday, 6 June. This is
the latest in a series of attacks on the McCarry family home. The
family narrowly escaped injury when a pipe bomb was thrown through
their living room window earlier this year.
A Catholic solicitor's office was attacked in Lisburn on Friday, 4
June. The offices were broken into and the premises set alight. A pipe
bomb and LVF memorabilia was discovered during a raid on the home of a
loyalist caught at the scene.
In Larne, a letter bomb addressed to a local man was intercepted
Wednesday, 9 June when a postal worker raised the alarm.

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Sectarian Attacks
8-14 July 2000


Introduction:
In our document on Rosemary Nelson, we included an appendix that
listed all known loyalist attacks from 1 January 1999 through 30 April
1999. Given the nature of the document the list focused on loyalist
attacks. Since that time, we have continued to document attacks across
the North, expanding our remit to include all attacks that might be
considered sectarian (sometimes, however, the motives aren&#8217;t
always clear.)

The following list of sectarian and race attacks is from 8 through 14
July 2000. Should any incidents have inadvertently been left off the
list please contact us. The issue of inclusion/exclusion is very
problematic. For instance this document does not include punishment
beatings &#8216;within&#8217; a community, attacks by the security
forces on civilians or by civilians on the security forces or murders
where the perpetrators are believed to be from the same community and
the motive is not thought to have been sectarian. We have also not
included violent incidents connected to feuding within loyalism. We
will update this list each month.

Due to the upsurge in sectarian attacks during July 2000 we plan to
release an updated version of this list on a weekly basis for the
duration of the month.

The RUC said there had been 280 attacks on security forces by
loyalists, including 13 shooting incidents, in the first 10 days of
July, and that 57 RUC officers and five soldiers had been injured.
There had been 288 petrol bombings, some involving dozens of devices,
and the police had recovered 941 petrol bombs. Seventy-seven homes, 55
commercial premises and 358 vehicles had been damaged, and 88 vehicles
hijacked. There had been 146 arrests with 72 people charged. In
response four plastic bullets were fired. (As always great care needs
to be taken with RUC statistics.) On BBC television the Chief
Constable insisted there would be "many more retrospective
prosecutions" once the situation had eased.

8 July

2.30am. Loyalists playing flutes and bagpipes on Carlisle Road in
Derry attempted to block a taxi driver&#8217;s path as he went to pick
up a fare. One went to throw a bottle at the car but was stopped by
one of the others.

It was claimed that two carloads of loyalists attempted to gain entry
to a nationalist home on the Cavan Road in Castlederg, Co Tyrone. They
were frightened off because the adjacent road was too busy.

8/9 July

Two Catholic primary schools and an integrated college were targeted
by arsonists overnight. The attacks in Glengormley and Carrickfergus
are believed to have been sectarian.

Two Catholic men escaped with their lives in Ardoyne when loyalists
attempted to open fire on them. A car slowed down alongside the two
men and a back-seat passenger wearing a balaclava pulled a gun and
tried to fire but it jammed. One man dived to the ground while the
other jumped over a wall. The car then reversed back up and the gunman
tried to fire again twice. The gun jammed both times.

Loyalists attacked the house of a Protestant woman in Newbuildings in
Derry after a Drumcree-related protest nearby. The woman works for the
Community Police Liaison Forum.

9 July

According to press reports the RUC warned that the UFF/UDA, together
with the LVF, have threatened to "kill a Catholic a day" until the
Orange Order is allowed down the Garvaghy Road.

A petrol bomb was thrown into a garden at Lurgan hospital. The device,
which failed to ignite, landed just yards from a hospital ward where
stroke victims and respite patients are cared for. The RUC linked the
attack to disturbances on the nearby loyalist Mourneview estate.

10 July

Most areas of the north were affected by protests and roadblocks,
which began at 4.00pm and blocked many arterial roads and major
junctions. The protests were supposed to finish at 8.00pm, but in some
cases the protests and obstructions remained, while in others riots
soon developed. In all 125 roads were blocked.

The RUC pushed 300 protesters back up the Albert Bridge Road when they
tried to enter the nationalist Short Strand area of Belfast.

In Limavady a man was knocked to the ground and beaten by a group of
loyalists when he got out of his car and attempted to remove a
seemingly unattended roadblock. The man and his family were on their
way to the wake of a close relative.

In Ballynure, Co Antrim, the RUC deployed a water cannon to clear
protesters but didn&#8217;t use it.

In Rathgael, near Bangor, Co Down, a young woman driver was left badly
shaken when a mob surrounded her car. One man jumped on the bonnet.

The RUC found component parts for blast bombs in Greenisland, Co
Antrim.

Cars were hijacked and set on fire in many areas including
Newtownards, Lurgan, Dunmurry, Derry, Craigavon, Belfast and Antrim.
In the centre of Lurgan a crowd of about 200 loyalists gathered at the
war memorial in the nationalist end of the town and confrontation
threatened as nationalists gathered in the William Street area. The
RUC pushed the loyalists back towards High Street.

Even in areas not directly affected by the protests shops and
businesses closed early to ensure that workers got home safely. Rush
hour began before 3.00pm and by 4.00pm the roads were already
deserted.

In Belfast the Chamber of Trade advised its members to close by
3.00pm. Mr Frank Caddy, Chief Executive of the chamber, said: "We
don&#8217;t need to lose this sort of turnover which must amount to
several hundred thousand pounds in the loss of two or three hours of
trade."

With the exception of nationalist west Belfast almost every main road
in the city had at least one obstruction. At Carlisle Circus, on the
main route into north Belfast, loyalist leader Johnny Adair was
present.

Other major junctions, such as Shaftesbury Square, Broadway roundabout
and the Albert Bridge Road, were blocked.

Antrim town, Newtownabbey, Carrickfergus, Ballyclare, Ahoghill and
Ballymena were affected by protests. A car driven by SDLP councillor
Oran Keenan was hijacked and overturned in Antrim.

In counties Down and Armagh, roads in Lurgan, Portadown, Tandragee,
Castlewellan and Markethill were blocked. The M1 motorway was blocked
at Sprucefield, Donaghmore and Dungannon. Roads in Ballynahinch,
Newtownards, Annalong, Comber, Downpatrick, Carryduff, Killyleagh,
Moira and Newry were also affected. The A1 road to Dublin was blocked
at Dromore.

Many roads in the Waterside area of Derry were blocked. There were
protests on Milltown Crescent, Ardmore Road and Limavady Road and, for
a very short period, on the upper deck of the Craigavon Bridge.
Magherafelt was also affected. The Ballygawley roundabout on the main
road from Belfast to the West was blocked, as were roads in Moygashel,
Omagh and Aughnacloy.

The nationalist Lower Ormeau Road was hemmed in for several hours and
on the peace-line between the Falls and Shankill Roads there were a
number of incidents in the Northumberland St area.

A car was hijacked and abandoned on a motorway bridge at Fortwilliam,
north Belfast, forcing the closure of the M2, M3 and M5.

Independent Unionist Councillor Andrew Davidson was forced to drive
through a red light after his car was attacked by loyalists at the
Woodburn crossroads in the Waterside area of Derry. A crowd of about
15-20 youths, some wearing scarves over their faces, had blocked the
road, and a number of the protesters jumped on to the
councillor&#8217;s car as he attempted to pass.

Bomb disposal officers were called to deal with suspected pipe bombs
in Newtownabbey. The RUC recovered 32 petrol bombs in Thorburn Road in
the same area.

Orangemen from Portadown and from the Ballynafeigh Lodge in south
Belfast picketed the Parades Commission office in Belfast. Some of
those who had participated in the demonstration disrupted traffic on
the M1 afterwards, moving slowly along in a convoy of 20 vehicles.
Earlier there had been a hoax bomb alert outside the home of a member
of the Parade&#8217;s Commission.

Loyalist gunmen attacked a Catholic-owned taxi in Glenmachan Street in
Belfast. Those in the car escaped serious injury when the driver and
passengers ducked and the driver swerved to avoid the gunmen who had
been trying to stop it by holding up their hands and pointing a gun at
the car. The passenger in the rear of the car suffered minor injuries
when a brick was thrown through the back window as the car sped away.

Two Catholic churches, one in Castlederg and one in Newtownabbey, were
set on fire. The home of a Catholic priest in Brunswick Road, Bangor
was attacked by approximately 150 loyalist protesters. His church, St
Comgall&#8217;s, was also attacked and two windows in the building
were broken. The same protesters also stoned businesses in what is a
mixed area of the predominantly Protestant town.

Car show rooms in Coleraine and Banbridge were set on fire. Cars were
hijacked and set on fire in Derry&#8217;s Waterside. One driver had
their rear window put through as they sped away from would-be
hijackers.

Two Danish tourists described the situation here as "more like Bosnia"
after they were stopped at a loyalist roadblock on the Killyleagh to
Armagh road. They complained that the RUC had refused to help them.

Sam McAllister, convicted murderer and member of the notorious UVF
Shankill Butchers gang, was hospitalised after being badly beaten by
suspected members of the UDA/UFF in Lisburn. The attack is seen as
being part of the escalating feud within loyalism.

Five men appeared before Craigavon Magistrates' Court charged with
having petrol bombs and wearing masks on Monday night.

11 July

(This section includes incidents linked to 11th night
&#8216;celebrations&#8217; which occurred in the early hours of the
12th.)

Portadown was described as "a vacant lot" minutes after a group of 150
men, without weapons or masks, walked into shops and told them
"you&#8217;re closed". A crowd of about 200 loyalists tried to enter
the bottom end of the Garvaghy Road at Shillington&#8217;s Bridge but
were pushed back by the RUC. At the same time a similar sized crowd
gathered at the St John&#8217;s Church at the upper end of the
Garvaghy Road and were also held back by the RUC. In nearby Lurgan a
group of 50 Loyalists blocked the upper end of High Street.

Businesses throughout the north of Ireland closed early as staff
rushed home to avoid roadblocks. RUC Chief Superintendent Roy McCune
defended the loyalist protester&#8217;s right to block roads, saying
that people had a "legitimate right" to protest on roads.

Six lorries and a storage unit were damaged in an arson attack at a
mushroom factory near Dungannon at around 12.45am. A Dungannon
restaurant was badly damaged in a petrol bomb attack at around 6.30am
and a tyre depot in Armagh was hit by a similar attack just after
5.00am.

Petrol bombs were hurled at a Catholic Church at Doagh Road in
Ballyclare, causing scorch damage to a hall adjacent to the Church.
One person was arrested after the attack.

A man was badly beaten by a mob and then shot dead at an eleventh
night bonfire in Larne. The man, 22-year-old Andy Cairns, alleged to
have been a member of the UVF, is believed to have been killed by the
UFF/UDA.

Minor damage was caused in a suspected arson attack at the
Presbyterian Church Hall at Drumgor, Craigavon. The building was
extensively damaged in a similar attack some weeks ago.

A woman and her six-year-old child escaped uninjured after a brick was
dropped from a bridge in the loyalist Finaghy Road North area through
the windscreen of their car.

A Belfast man was threatened by the RUC with criminal charges for
driving on to a footpath to escape a loyalist roadblock in
Ballynahinch. The man has vowed to go to jail rather than pay a fine
over the incident.

In Bushmills, Co Antrim, a lorry was hijacked and set on fire. There
were security alerts at Orange halls in Dungannon, Armagh, Moira,
Lurgan and Magheralin.

A small explosive device was thrown from a car into a pub in the
nationalist village of Dunloy, Co Antrim and another was discovered in
the grounds of an Ancient Order of Hibernians' hall in Rasharkin. Both
failed to explode and were removed by the security forces.

Petrol bombs were thrown at an Orange hall in Aghalee, Co Antrim.
Three Apprentice Boys who were in the building at the time were taken
to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. The building also houses
a Church of Ireland hall.

Seven shots were fired at an RUC vehicle in Belfast. There was an
alert at Dungannon premises belonging to Mr Joel Patten, a former
leading Orangeman closely linked to the Spirit of Drumcree faction.

An arson attack by loyalists on Dromachose Cross-Community Association
in Limavady caused extensive damage.

Protestants living in the Fountain estate in Derry had their homes
pelted with stones thrown by nationalist youths, some as young as
seven. On one occasion youths also fired an air gun at a young girl
who was in her bedroom doing her homework.

St Patrick&#8217;s Catholic Primary school in Portrush was set on
fire. At the same time a number of petrol bombs were thrown at the RUC
in the town.

The RUC arrested three young men for allegedly spraying republican
graffiti on a gable wall in a mixed estate in Newtownabbey. At the
same time the RUC were criticised for their inaction over car
hijackings by loyalists in the area.

Residents in Castlederg, Co Tyrone, claimed that a loyalist band was
allowed to ignore a Parades Commission ruling that prohibited it from
marching in an area of the town. The band had been prohibited from
marching along Ferguson Crescent in the town but was allowed by the
RUC to pass along a footpath through the area. The chairman of
Strabane District Council, Charlie McHugh, claims that when
nationalist residents protested to the RUC they were told that they
[RUC] and not the Parades Commission would make decisions on the
ground. The Parades Commission said that while using the pavement
instead of the road "may not be in breach of the letter of the
determination it was definitely a breach of the spirit of it."

Nationalists in Dundrum, near Castlewellan, were besieged by loyalists
during the 11th night bonfire. &#8216;Revellers&#8217; urinated in
people&#8217;s gardens, blocked entrances and chanted sectarian
slogans late into the night. Two people were injured in stabbing
incidents at an 11th night bonfire in the Cregagh area of east
Belfast.

Loyalists from the Shankill road area held an 11th night disco, just
across the peace-line from the nationalist Springfield road. At the
disco sectarian tunes were played and the DJ was heard shouting,
"Stand up if you hate the Fenians". Later, after the bonfire had been
lit, they stood up on pallets at the peace line itself and threw
missiles at nationalist homes on the Springfield Road. The RUC, it was
claimed, looked on from their landrovers. The bombardment carried on
until 8.00am when the RUC arrived on the Springfield Road side to
clear the way for the Orange parade.

During the night 21 RUC officers were injured during disturbances in
the Corcrain and Edgarstown areas of Portadown. A number of plastic
bullets were fired by the RUC. More than 100 petrol bombs were thrown
at security forces in the Lincoln Courts and Tullyally areas of Derry
it was claimed.

A Catholic Church in Ballyclare was petrol bombed for the second night
running, with only minimal damage being caused.

In Belfast an ambulance crew was attacked at Forth River Drive. Two
crewmembers needed hospital treatment. An ambulance crew was also
attacked in Nelson Drive in Derry as it attended to a man that had
suffered an epileptic fit.

A woman was injured by a crossbow bolt as she drove along the Crumlin
Road in Belfast. Gunfire was reported in the Rathcoole and
Newtownabbey areas of Belfast and the Kilcooley estate in Bangor.
Masked loyalists fired shots at bonfires in Sandy Row and the Shankill
Road.

The single mother of a disabled child described her terror as her home
in Magherafelt was attacked by Loyalists. The mother of six had been
living in the Protestant Leckagh Drive area of the town for only two
weeks as renovations were carried out on her own home to make it more
suitable for her disabled child.

A Catholic-owned house was badly damaged in a petrol bomb attack on
the Newry Road in Armagh.

12 July

(Many incidents occurred in the early hours of the Twelfth as
documented above)

RUC officers were assaulted and threatened with a sword as they
attempted to stop Orange marchers from urinating in a street in the
centre of Belfast.

Four men, including one in his 70s, were injured when stone throwing
youths attacked their bus as they travelled back from the county
Orange Order parade in Coleraine, Co Derry, to Co Donegal in the
Republic. The attack, in which the windscreen and a side window of the
bus were smashed, took place at Prehen, outside Derry. Later, another
bus travelling to Newbuildings was attacked at the same spot.

13 July

An Orange hall in Co.Cavan, in the Republic of Ireland, was gutted in
a fire.

More Catholics are being forced to flee their homes in Randalstown in
County Antrim because of sectarian attacks. While there had been quite
a few Catholics living in the Neilsbrook estate, there are now said to
be only ten families left. The situation is said to have become so bad
for those remaining in the Neilsbrook estate that they are unable to
use public amenities. Two years ago UVF and LVF paramilitaries started
to put flags and murals up around the estate. The community centre is
now said to be completely out of bounds for Catholics. Walls are
adorned with sectarian plaques and park benches are daubed with the
letters "K.A.T" meaning "Kill All Taigs".

SDLP representatives in Castledawson, Co Derry, called for more RUC
action after three Catholic-owned homes were attacked in the town.

Portadown Orangeman Ivan Hewitt, who sports numerous tattoos featuring
swastikas and other neo-nazi and white power emblems warned in a
television documentary that it may be time for loyalists to "bring
their war to Britain." An Anti Fascist Action spokesperson said the
documentary showed a "definite link" between British neo-nazi
organisations and loyalists. There have already between numerous
reports of members of various British extreme right-wing organisations
attending Drumcree related protests.

14 July

A 50 strong gang of loyalists broke away from the main pro-Drumcree
protest in Finaghy, north Belfast, and attacked the nearby nationalist
Grangeville area. The RUC, who were only 50 yards away at the time,
did not intervene for some thirty minutes. In that time the loyalists
blocked streets, abused residents and attempted to hijack two cars.

Three Catholic families have been intimidated out of their homes in
the Lisburn Road area of Belfast.

In West Belfast a Stewartstown Road pensioner escaped injury after the
latest of numerous attacks on his home by stone throwing loyalists
from the nearby Suffolk estate. The man who is one of several
pensioners to have suffered stone and brick throwing attacks over the
last few weeks, had his living room window smashed by a brick, which
landed on the seat where he sits to watch television.

Portadown Orangemen&#8217;s calls for another day of widespread
protest went unheeded as the Armagh and Grand Lodges refused to
support their calls. Shops and businesses across the north remained
open and only a handful of roads were blocked for a short period,
including Black&#8217;s Road, Crumlin Road, Ballysillan Road, Westland
Road and Oldpark Road in Belfast. Most of the arterial routes in the
city were unaffected. Short protests were also staged on the Dublin
Road in Antrim, the Albert Road in Carrickfergus and the Ballygawley
roundabout in Co Tyrone. There were pickets at several areas in
Portadown, but no more than 200 protesters were involved in total.

The steel security barrier at Drumcree was dismantled and many of the
extra troops deployed there returned to barracks.

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Sectarian incidents and attacks
June 2001


Introduction:
The following list of sectarian incidents and attacks is from 01
through 30 June 2001. We rely on a number of sources for our
information, but this is by no means comprehensive. If you find
incidents that have been left off the list please contact us. A full
dossier of sectarian attacks from January 1999 until May 2001 is also
available.

North Belfast: Because of the intensity of incidents in the Ardoyne
Road/Glenbryn interface we are dedicating a separate section to
incidents in north Belfast at the end of our usual day by day log.

Sectarian incidents and attacks June 2001

June 2, Saturday
The Andersonstown News reported an accusation by Sinn Fein that
election workers in the Lagan Valley constituency were intimidated,
and that Sinn Fein election posters were removed. The paper also
reported that nationalist residents of Dunmurry had accused the RUC of
turning a blind eye to the activities of loyalists. One local, who was
using his camcorder to record a group of loyalists, captured on film
two RUC landrovers driving past cudgel wielding loyalists without
taking any action. The RUC claimed they had only two officers in an
unmarked car in the area at the time. Residents have said they will
hand the video in question over to the Police Ombudsman. (AN)

June 3, Sunday
A woman and her two young children escaped injury in a pipe bomb
attack on their home in Loughanill Park in Coleraine. They were
upstairs in the house when the device exploded downstairs at 11.00pm.
In another incident, a number of shots were fired through the window
of a house at Newbridge Park in the town. One shot was fired through a
bedroom window, and then a number through a downstairs window while
attempts were made to force open the front door. The man in the house
suffered cuts from flying glass, and both he and his wife were treated
for shock. (RUC)

June 4, Monday
A loyalist gang attacked cars belonging to a Catholic family in west
Belfast, causing £2000 worth of damage. The householder said that his
home is attacked by loyalists from the Village area every year:
quot;Every summer as the marching season approaches we live in fear of
our home being attacked. The attacks are usually centred around the
month of July, but this year they seem to have started early. We have
had the windows of the house broken countless times and every car we
have ever owned has been smashed up by these thugs. In this attack
both my wife&#8217;s and my son&#8217;s car were parked in the
driveway and both were smashed up with baseball bats. The men who
carried out this attack were backed up by a crowd of masked and armed
men who were waiting at the other side of the road. I believe that
they were trying to lure people out of their homes and then stage an
attack on local residents." The man was scathing of the security force
response to the attacks. Referring to sophisticated army surveillance
equipment in the area he said: "I would like to ask them why they seem
unable to use this equipment to catch loyalists who are attacking our
homes on a regular basis." (AN)

June 5, Tuesday
The names of 115 alleged republicans were found stored on computer
disks in an east Belfast man&#8217;s home, Belfast Crown Court heard.
The information was revealed during a bail application by Geoffrey
Aiken, who is facing charges of possession of information useful to
terrorists. The words "good stuff" had been written on the disks.
Aiken was granted bail. (IN)

An Orange Order service may have prompted arsonists to target a
Presbyterian Church, it was claimed. New Mills Presbyterian Church,
near Portadown, was destroyed by fire just 24 hours after an Orange
parade and service was held at the church. At the same time, Drumcree
supporters were slammed for the "shameful desecration" of a Catholic
church and graveyard. St Patrick&#8217;s Church at Ballyargan, also
near Portadown, was attacked by vandals who painted sectarian slogans,
such as "Roll On Drumcree 2001" and "Power to the Prods", as well as
LVF and UFF slogans. It was the latest in a series of attacks on the
church, which was fire-bombed six years ago. (IN, RUC)

Two men were arrested in the greater Belfast area by detectives
investigating the murder of Rosemary Nelson. The two men, aged 41 and
43, were questioned in Gough Barracks, Armagh, about &#8216;serious
terrorist offences." (IN)

It was reported that Orangemen in Portadown had re-entered the
mediation process aimed at resolving the stand off. South African
mediator Brian Currin announced that documents were now being
exchanged between the two sides. "I have handed a document to the
Garvaghy Road Residents&#8217; Coalition who have in turn undertaken
to respond in writing as soon as possible," he said. Residents&#8217;
spokesperson Breandan MacCionnaith said they would be studying the
document carefully but were disappointed that the range Order had made
no comment on the document they submitted in February. (IN)

The Orange Order claimed that &#8216;nightly assaults&#8217; by
republicans on the Fountain Estate in Derry were aimed at forcing
Protestants from the city&#8217;s west bank. The claim was carried in
the Order&#8217;s newspaper, The Orange Standard. (DJ)

June 6, Wednesday
A bar at Frosses Road in Cloughmills was damaged by a petrol bomb in
the early hours of the morning. Less than an hour later a car was set
alight in the Fairway area of Larne. The RUC said they had not ruled
out a sectarian motive for either attack. (IN, RUC)

It was announced that Greater Belfast coroner John Lecky would
initiate a review of the inquest system in the light of the European
Court judgement. The judgement found, among other matters, serious
failings in the inquest system where shoot-to-kill or collusion
between security forces and loyalists was alleged. (IN)

Sinn Fein Education Minister Martin McGuinness and his wife were
warned that they were being targeted by loyalist paramilitaries. Other
party members, including Michelle Gildernew (elected MP for
Fermanagh/South Tyrone on the 9th of June), Mitchell McLaughlin and
Cathal Crumley also received warnings, which simply said that the
persons details were in the hands of loyalist paramilitaries and that
they should take precautions. McLaughlin said: "As follows the normal
pattern the RUC refused to disclose any other information despite
being asked as to where the information was discovered, the identity
and affiliation of the individual and whether any arrests had been
made." Another of those visited, Strabane IRSP spokesperson Willie
Gallagher, said he would seek a judicial review if the RUC failed to
elaborate on the information. "We can&#8217;t assess the risk without
proper clarification," he stated. (IN)

A number of weapons, including an assault rifle with a fully loaded
magazine, two revolvers, two pistols and a quantity of ammunition and
flares were discovered in the Tandragee Road area of Portadown during
an RUC search. A number of explosive devices were also found during a
search of a disused garage at Shore Road in Newtownabbey. The railway
line between Belfast and Larne was closed during the search operation.
An RUC Assistant Chief Constable said: "It&#8217;s too early in the
investigation to be certain, but from the design and make-up of the
bombs we are quite satisfied that these are loyalist devices. (RUC)

June 8, Friday
A number of shots were fired at two houses in Heron Way, in the
Waterside area of Derry. No one was injured in the incident. (RUC)

A pipe bomb exploded at the rear of a house in Coolessan Walk,
Limavady, at around 1.00am. The RUC said that they regarded the attack
as sectarian. (RUC)

June 11, Monday
St Bernard&#8217;s Chapel on the Antrim Road in Glengormley was
destroyed in an arson attack. See North Belfast incidents below. (RUC)

June 12, Tuesday
In an editorial the New York Times called for independent inquiries
into the murders of solicitors Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson. The
editorial provoked a response from the British Ambassador in
Washington, Christopher Meyer, who attempted to defend the previous
and ongoing investigations into the murders, which in turn provoked a
response from Pat Finucane&#8217;s law partner, Peter Madden, who
attacked Meyer&#8217;s claims. (IN)

Detectives investigating the murder of Rosemary Nelson arrested a man
in Plymouth. The man, originally from Portadown, was held for
questioning about "serious terrorist offences." Two other men were
arrested in Portadown on the 14th of June for questioning about the
murder. (IN)

June 13, Wednesday
A novena at Clonard monastery in west Belfast was abandoned and more
than 2000 people forced to leave after a suspect van was abandoned in
the monastery grounds. The van was backed up to the doors of the
Clonard youth club, and two men in their twenties got out and escaped
in a waiting car. Clonard Street was evacuated after a second suspect
device was found in a drain close to the monastery. A British army
bomb-disposal team carried out a controlled explosion on the second
device before it was declared a hoax, and the area declared safe. The
bomb alerts came just hours after a man needed hospital treatment
after being attacked by two car loads of men in the nearby Broadway
area. The 47-year-old man suffered a head wound, a deep cut to his arm
and sever bruising in the attack. His assailants used a baseball bat
and a hatchet in the attack. Another man was attacked while walking in
the Carrickhill area. The 45-year-old man was stabbed in the face by
two men who jumped out of a white car. The RUC said they had not ruled
out a sectarian motive for either attack. It is believed that
loyalists carried out the attack on the monastery. (AN, IN, RUC)

The Callan River Inn, at Keady, Co Armagh, was destroyed in an arson
attack. (RUC)

June 14, Thursday
Sectarian tensions at south Down parade flashpoints could reach an
all-time high if agreement was not reached soon, nationalist residents
of the area claimed. Mourne Nationalists for Equality (MNE) members
were seeking a meeting with the Parades Commission to discuss a
loyalist band parade due to take place in Annalong later in the month.
Parade organisers had applied to march in the predominantly
nationalist Shannagh Drive area of the town. At the same time it was
revealed that masked men had threatened SDLP and Sinn Fein election
workers in nearby Kilkeel. (IN)

Residents in a nationalist area in north Belfast called for increased
security after homes and cars were attacked by a loyalist gang.
Residents of Alliance Avenue in the Ardoyne area had house and car
windows broken during what they described as a &#8216;sustained
[loyalist] incursion&#8217; into the area. An RUC spokesperson
confirmed that a number of car windows had been smashed by people seen
leaving the area in a car heading towards the nearby loyalist Glenbryn
Estate. Moves are being made to have NIO representatives investigate
the possibility of erecting a peaceline between the nationalist
Alliance Avenue and the loyalist Glenbryn Park. (IN)

It was announced that the Orange Order intended to hold its County
Derry demonstration in Derry City this year. Part of the planned route
would pass close to the Bogside, and the Bogside residents&#8217;
Group said that they had made attempts to contact the Order to discuss
the march, but had so far been ignored. (IN)

It was reported that a young Catholic woman had been forced to leave
her Obins Drive home in Portadown after coming under attack from
loyalists on an almost nightly basis. The 21-year-old is now staying
with relatives. The woman&#8217;s mother said: "Last night all the
windows in my daughter&#8217;s home were smashed. She can&#8217;t live
in the house and is afraid for her life. People here are getting
tortured on a nightly basis. If this continues somebody is going to
lose their life. They (loyalists) are trying to increase tensions in
the run up to Drumcree." Garvaghy Road residents&#8217; spokesperson
Breandan MacCionnaith said: "From April this year the attacks have
occurred on a regular basis and in the last fortnight on an almost
nightly basis. The sinister thing about it is that a lot of the
attacks seem to be directed by the LVF. Clearly it is the LVF trying
to up the ante a bit and people are fearful." (IN)

June 15, Friday
Sources close to the UDA confirmed that the group had been consulting
its members over plans for involvement in any Drumcree related
violence. Independent Unionist councillor Tommy Kirkham (Kirkham was
previously elected as a councillor for the UDA aligned UDP, but all
prospective UDP councillors had to stand as independents after the
party failed to register in time for the June local and general
elections.) said: "I know the UDA have sought the views of their
entire membership on Drumcree and their findings will be analysed by
next week." PUP MLA David Ervine said he was not aware if the UVF had
made any similar moves. Orange Order sources said they did not see a
resolution of the Drumcree issue this year. The Irish News reported
that senior UDA and UVF members had held secret talks with members of
the Orange Order to offer their "support at Drumcree. Portadown
district spokesman for the Order, David Jones, dismissed the claims,
but according to the Irish News their sources substantiated the
claims. Garvaghy Road Resident&#8217;s spokesperson Joe Duffy said he
was not surprised by the development: "Harold Gracey refused to
distance himself from the violence last year. It&#8217;s common
knowledge that the Orange Order and these paramilitaries get together
to discuss Drumcree. The sad thing about the whole lot is this element
like years gone by will probably take some innocent Catholic&#8217;s
life. I think the nationalist community need to be extra vigilant this
year." (NL, IN)

The Irish News carried a special report on a leaked British
Intelligence document, allegedly produced by MI5, which is said to
substantiate claims that the RUC&#8217;s Special Branch was given
overreaching powers over ordinary policing to enable it to protect its
informants within paramilitary groups. The document, dated February 23
1981, follows recent allegations that the solving of crime could
routinely come second to the needs of intelligence operations. The
document details recommendations on RUC intelligence gathering, among
which is the recommendation that "all proposals to effect planned
arrests must be cleared with regional Special Branch to ensure that no
agents of either RUC or army are involved." It continued: "The
charging of an agent must be the result of a conscious decision by
both Special Branch and CID in which the balance of advantage has been
carefully weighed." This would have given Special Branch informants de
facto freedom to do what they wanted as long as the value of the
information they were passing on to Special Branch was high enough.

The document also states that Special Branch officers must always be
on the lookout for new sources of information, and should take over
interviews of those arrested by CID if they felt the arrested person
could provide relevant intelligence information, and that, if
necessary, CID officers who stood in their way should just be
transferred.

Jane Winters of British Irish Rights Watch said: "Before this document
came to light many people would have thought that, perhaps, on
occasion, security came before policing requirements and the
requirements of justice. But in this highly systemised process,
basically, intelligence always took priority&#8230;I do think a very
serious question is, if MI5 drew up these guidelines, and if, within
the RUC, Special Branch and intelligence is primary &#8211; if Special
Branch were running the RUC, was MI5 running Special Branch?"

Sinn Fein and the SDLP both said the existence of the document
vindicated their stance on RUC reform. Sinn Fein&#8217;s Gerry Kelly
said: "We cannot have a new beginning to policing if that force is
under the direct control of faceless securocrats within the British
Secret Services." According to the SDLP&#8217;s Alex Attwood the
report confirmed "that there are still many unanswered questions
regarding the relationship between loyalist paramilitaries and the
police and army." (IN)

The entire document will be published on our website in the coming
days at www.serve.com/pfc (PFC)

It was reported that a nationalist counter demonstration would oppose
the main County Derry Orange Order demonstration on the 12th of July
if it was allowed into Derry city centre. Up to 10,000 Orangemen are
expected in the town if the march is allowed to go ahead. Bogside
Residents&#8217; Group spokesperson Robin Percival said: "The Orange
Order is not welcome in Derry. They won&#8217;t be welcome in the city
centre so long as their brethren in Portadown continue this stand-off
and refuse to meet the Garvaghy Road residents." It was also revealed
that the BRG had made numerous attempts to set up a similar dialogue
with the Orange Order as the one with the Apprentice Boys, which has
kept the city relatively trouble free in recent years, but that all
attempts at communication had, so far, been ignored by the Orange
Order. (DJ, IoS, IN)

School children were left "frightened and distressed" after their
south Belfast school was evacuated after a bomb alert. More than 300
children had to leave St Malachy&#8217;s Primary School in the
nationalist Markets area of Belfast as security forces examined a
suspect device left at the school gates. Local community workers
claimed loyalists were seen in the area the previous night. (IN) Peter
Montgomery of the Markets Development Association said: "The RUC
visited homes in the area recently to say some of the residents&#8217;
details are in the hands of loyalists so we were expecting something
like this in the run-up to the marching season.""(IN)

It was announced that a third loyal order, the Royal Black Preceptory,
had applied to hold a march in Derry city centre at the end of August.
It was also reported that the Bogside Residents&#8217; Group had
submitted notice of their opposition to the planned 12th of July
Orange Order parade, but also reiterated their determination to find a
solution to the parades issue in the city. (IN)

Twenty-six men were arrested in Ballymena after they tried to remove
tricolour flags from the nationalist Fisherwick Estate (see below).
The RUC stopped six cars leaving the estate and recovered flags,
cudgels, sticks and other items. (RUC)

June 17, Sunday
An explosive device, consisting of a shotgun cartridge in a wooden
box, was found at the Russell Gaelic Union GAA grounds in Downpatrick,
Co Down. The device was found hidden behind the goalposts as players
and hundreds of spectators dispersed after a match. The find came
after a caller claiming to represent an un-named loyalist group said
that booby-trap bombs had been left at GAA grounds across the north.
The caller also claimed that Sinn Fein election posters had been
booby-trapped. Following this warning the RUC visited the home of
Mid-Ulster Sinn Fein MLA John Kelly to inform him of the threat. Kelly
said he was taking the threat very seriously, claiming it was part of
a concerted campaign of intimidation against nationalists during the
marching season. He said he would be warning Sinn Fein election
workers about the threat, and continued: "I would advise young people
who may be thinking of taking Sinn Fein posters as souvenirs to be
very careful. I am aware that my own election posters were burnt on a
bonfire in Cullybackey, while Sinn Fein election posters in
Cloughmills were taken down within an hour of being put up." A GAA
spokesperson stressed that the organisation was non-political but
called on members to be vigilant. "All members can do is be vigilant,"
he said, "There is not much more we can ask them to do. Each club
knows its own area best." The Russell Gaelic Union club secretary said
that the club&#8217;s executive was to hold an emergency meeting to
discuss security measures at the ground in the wake of the attack.
(IN, RUC)

An Orange Hall in Bryansford, County Down, was damaged in an arson
attack. A tractor tyre was placed on the roof of the porch and set on
fire in the early hours of the morning. (RUC)

June 18, Monday
A bomb exploded outside the house of Larne SDLP councillor Martin
Wilson in Slash Park Central in the town. A bomb-proof front door took
the full force of the blast. The SDLP, the UUP and the Irish
government condemned the attack. An RUC spokesperson described the
attack as sectarian and confirmed that two men were being questioned
about the incident. A second, unexploded, device was found at his
brother&#8217;s house across the road. (IN, RUC)

Junior Northern Ireland Minister, Denis Haughey of the SDLP, warned
that an &#8216;escalating tide of violence" could soon claim
lives".&#8217; He was speaking after meeting with RUC chiefs in Larne
where a bomb exploded outside an SDLP colleague&#8217;s house. "No one
has, as yet, been killed in recent times" he said, "but if it were to
go on the threat to life would escalate&#8230;I would imagine that the
events which will unfold around Drumcree will possibly raise the
temperature again and I am worried about the dangers of escalating
intercommunal strife." (IN)

Two men were jailed for erecting a UFF flag outside the home of SDLP
councillor Martin Wilson, the target of today&#8217;s bomb attack.
Colin Bell, from Maybole in Scotland and Alan Nicholl from Lealies
Drive in Larne, were found guilty of displaying a UFF flag with intent
to cause a breach of the peace on May 14 last year. (IN)

The Royal Mail announced that it might have to stop deliveries in
parts of Dunmurry after loyalists threatened a number of Catholic
postmen. (IN)

The GAA said that it would be stepping up security at grounds across
the north in the wake of a bombing campaign by loyalists. The move
came after a crude explosive device was found at a GAA club in
Downpatrick. (IN)

Loyalist bandsmen were accused of "ridiculous and shameful" behaviour
after a band parade in the mixed village of Claudy, outside Derry. A
Catholic church in the village was damaged soon after the parade
ended. Sinn Fein councillor for the area, Paul Fleming, said:
"Residents of the village were subjected to sectarian taunts and
chants, the throwing of missiles, damage to local property and
intimidation. (DJ)

It was reported that a contentious Orange Order parade planned for the
Springfield Road on June 30 would be banned from entering a flashpoint
area. A Parades Commission source said that a decision had not yet
been reached. Springfield Residents&#8217; spokesperson Frances
McAuley said: "If it is banned there is a threat of a backlash from
loyalist paramilitaries but it is something we have always lived with
in this community." (IN)

A former RUC officer, jailed for the 1977 UVF murder of Ahoghill
grocer William Strathearn, claimed he was to be interviewed in
connection with the Dublin-Monaghan bombings. Mid-Ulster UVF members
were blamed at the time of the bombings, but many observers and
campaigners felt, and still feel, that the bombings could not have
been carried out without the technical knowledge and support of RUC or
British Army elements. The bombings are now the subject of an
independent judicial inquiry in the south. However William McCaughey
(see below, June 28) insisted he could shed no light on the matter. He
also claimed he was to be interviewed about the 1977 murder of
Cushendall RUC officer Joe Campbell, a Catholic. (IN)

A senior Belfast Orangeman denied reports of a split in the Order over
the contentious 12th of July parade on the Ormeau Road. County Grand
Master Dawson Bailie dismissed claims that the Order&#8217;s decision
to return to the field at Ballinderry instead of going to Ormeau Park
in support of the Ballynafeigh Lodge was evidence of a split. The
Ballynafeigh Lodge were said to have reacted with outrage, threatening
to stage their own stand-off on Ormeau Bridge. (IN)

June 19, Tuesday
Sinn Fein claimed that provocative loyalist flags were being erected
in mixed housing areas in Limavady. Local councillor Francie Brolly
said his office had been inundated with calls from nationalist
residents about loyalist flags and intimidation. "Many of the
youngsters putting up these flags were under the influence of alcohol
and were drinking in full view of the small number of security force
personnel present." The Dungiven-based councillor said the problem was
particularly serious in the Edenvale Road, Scroggy Road and Edenmore
Park areas of Limavady. (IN)

Sinn Fein husband and wife councillors Briege and Martin Meehan vowed
to defy loyalist death threats and continue to attend council meetings
in Newtownabbey and Antrim councils respectively. Mrs Meehan had
received a death threat just hours before her first council meeting. A
man claiming to represent the Red Hand Defenders had telephoned the
threat to the Irish News. In a letter to the Antrim Guardian, signed
by the &#8216;loyalist residents of Steeple&#8217; [a mixed estate in
Antrim], the writers threatened to picket the first sitting of the
newly elected Antrim Borough Council if Martin Meehan were to attend.
(IN)

It was reported that the RUC had warned a number of GAA clubs in
County Derry that they were under threat from an unspecified loyalist
source. None of the clubs wished to comment, but Limavady Sinn Fein
councillor Francie Brolly said: "They [loyalists] have threatened all
of the clubs across the north and we know through sad experience that
anyone who is connected to the GAA is a potential target for
loyalists. (DJ)

The Protestant community in the north is feeling increasingly
marginalised, according to research just released by the University of
Ulster. In a new report published by the University it was revealed
that over half of the Unionists questioned felt that the Catholic
population were being treated better. The research was conducted as
part of the Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey. (IN) (Report
available at PFC)

Gary Mc Michael of the UDP claimed that the UDA had approached him to
say that they were not involved in any threats against Catholic postal
staff in Dunmurry (see above). A local Sinn Fein councillor said he
remained unconvinced by the claim, while a PUP representative
condemned the threats. The Royal Mail repeated its warning that
deliveries may have to be stopped if the situation was not resolved.
(IN)

June 20, Wednesday
Newly elected mayor of Coleraine and the first ever Catholic to hold
the position, John Dallat of the SDLP, welcomed the council&#8217;s
decision to adopt the d&#8217;Hondt system of power sharing, saying it
represented "an end to apartheid" for nationalists in the borough.
(IN)

A mother and her daughter were arrested in Cornwall and questioned in
connection with the murder of Lurgan human rights solicitor Rosemary
Nelson. The two are originally from the Portadown area. Their arrest
follows an earlier arrest of a Portadown man in Plymouth in connection
with the murder (see above). (IN)

June 21, Thursday
Nationalist residents of west Belfast repeated their calls for a
contentious Orange Order parade to be banned from a flashpoint area.
The march has caused trouble in previous years, and locals feared that
any decision by the Parades Commission on the march would be heavily
influenced by the RUC&#8217;s assessment which, they claimed, would be
influenced by the threat of loyalist violence. Springfield
Resident&#8217;s spokesperson Frances McAuley said: "The decision
seemed to be going in the residents favour but the RUC stepped in and
said it would be much worse if the parade was banned. Obviously they
have bowed down to the phrase might is right and have come to the
conclusion that the greatest threat is from the loyalist end. Sinn
Fein and SDLP politicians supported the residents call for a ban on
the parade. SDLP councillor Margaret Walsh said: "I think the Parades
Commission has to act in such a way that the breach of restrictions by
marchers last year [paramilitary emblems were displayed and music was
played in contradiction of the Parades commission ruling] means the
parade should be banned." (IN)

Two men appeared in court in connection with the explosion at the
house of Larne SDLP councillor Martin Wilson on 19 June (see above).
(RUC)

June 22, Friday
It was reported that sectarian tensions had been heightened in
Limavady by the news that jailed UFF leader Johnny Adair had bought a
home in the area. A Sinn Fein councillor said, "many people in the
area are concerned that the town is in real danger of turning into
another Larne (DJ)

The newly-elected DUP vice-chairman of Strabane District Council,
Thomas Kerrigan, received messages of support from across the
political divide after being castigated by his party leadership for
shaking hands with the Sinn Fein Chair of the council, Ivan Barr, and
saying that they would be able to work together. Senior DUP member
Gregory Campbell, the north&#8217;s Minister for Regional Development,
said: "DUP policy is clear. We don&#8217;t give any legitimacy
whatsoever to Sinn Fein. We won&#8217;t have dialogue with them, meet
with them or debate with them." Kerrigan apologised to his party for
the handshake, and withdrew his statement about co-operation.
Councillor Barr responded that relations between his party and the DUP
in Strabane had been good in recent years, and that "Councillor
Kerrigan [had] demonstrated a willingness to work in a spirit of
co-operation with others in the chamber, it would now appear that he
has been subjected to pressure from his party to adopt a different
attitude." At the same time, it was revealed senior DUP member Jim
Wells, convicted for his part in a violent protest against a
nationalist march in Kilkeel, would not face any party censure. Wells
was convicted of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or
behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace. Ruth McConnell
of the DUP was also convicted. The DUP defended the party&#8217;s
stance on the two issues, saying "one was a breach of party rules and
one was a breach of the peace." Others have pointed out the
inconsistencies in the DUP&#8217;s position, saying that they
co-operate with Sinn Fein in Assembly committees, and pointing to the
numerous examples in the past where they have shown no hesitation in
working with those with loyalist paramilitary connections. (DJ, IN)

Resident Magistrate Bernie Kelly warned that she would not tolerate
any form of sectarianism. She was speaking as she jailed a 21-year-old
Limavady man for one month for a sectarian assault on the 11th of July
last year. (DJ)

A photo in the Derry Journal showed a banner which had been erected in
the Protestant Fountain Estate in Derry reading "Drumcree 2001: Be
Prepared." (DJ)

A number of pipe bombs, and a quantity of ammunition and bomb making
materials, was found by the RUC during a search of a derelict house in
Pandora Street, in the loyalist Donegall Road area of south Belfast.
(RUC)

Both the SDLP and DUP told the Derry Journal that fears that sectarian
clashes of the type happening in Belfast would spread to Derry were
unfounded. Bids by community groups across the city to diffuse
tensions would make such trouble a "virtual impossibility" in Derry,
they said. The report came as the newly elected DUP mayor of Derry,
Mildred Garfield, pledged to "extend the hand of friendship across the
political divide" while at the same time refusing to consider working
in any way with the city&#8217;s second largest party, Sinn Fein, or
the Deputy Mayor, Sinn Fein councillor Peter Anderson. (DJ)

Two Derry men were jailed at Belfast Crown Court for a sectarian arson
attack on the home of an 84-year-old Catholic woman in Derry 18 months
earlier. William Thompson and Gareth Holmes poured petrol through
their victim&#8217;s letterbox in the early hours of 13 November 1999
before setting it alight. Holmes was also given a separate sentence
for the possession of documents likely to be of use to terrorists. The
judge, Justice Coghlan, said he was satisfied that their crimes were
motivated &#8216;simply by political and sectarian bigotry&#8217;.
(IN, DJ)

June 23, Saturday
A 25-year-old Catholic man from Coleraine, John Henry McCormick, was
shot dead in his home at Loughanill Park, in the predominantly
loyalist Ballysally Estate. Mr McCormick was shot several times in the
head and stomach and died at the scene. The RUC blamed loyalist
paramilitaries, while his family were more specific, blaming the UDA.
(IN, RUC)

It was reported that the Orange Order in Derry had held exploratory
talks with the City Centre Initiative, the group responsible for
facilitating talks between the Apprentice Boys and the Bogside
Residents&#8217; Group, and this year between the Royal Black
Preceptory and the BRG. (IN)

The GAA was on alert amid fresh reports that devices had been planted
at grounds across the north. (IN)

It was announced that, now that Sammy Wilson&#8217;s tenure as Mayor
of Belfast was over, the website sammywilson.com would close down. The
Belfast-based site had been used to highlight Wilson&#8217;s
&#8216;naked sectarianism.&#8217; The site included such quotes from
Wilson as: "The GAA is the sporting wing of the IRA"; "They (gays) are
poofs. I don&#8217;t care if they are ratepayers. As far as I am
concerned they are perverts"; "Taigs (Catholics) don&#8217;t pay
rates"; "They (Sinn Fein voters in the Oldpark area of Belfast) are
sub-human animals." Those responsible for the site &#8211; the
Andersonstown News &#8211; had challenged Wilson to take legal action
if he felt he was being misrepresented. He didn&#8217;t. (AN)

Sinn Fein said that they would continue to remove their election
posters despite earlier threats that they had been booby-trapped (see
above). (IN)

It was reported that campaigners calling for an independent judicial
inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane had received a pledge of
support from the USA&#8217;s National Committee on American Foreign
Policy. Pat&#8217;s widow, Geraldine Finucane, and his business
partner Peter Madden, had met the committee to update them on the
case. (NbelfN, PFC)

It was reported that the Orange Order&#8217;s planned march on the
Springfield Road on June 30 would be allowed to go ahead. The official
decision by the Parades Commission was not due for another week. (AN)

June 24, Sunday
A social club in east Belfast was badly damaged in an arson attack. A
number of cars were broken into and set alight, and the fire spread to
the club on the Hollywood Road. (RUC)

June 25, Monday
The pregnant partner of a murdered Catholic man told the Irish News of
how she pleaded with loyalist paramilitaries not to shoot him in front
of their two young sons. Lynn McConnell was speaking after her
partner, John Henry McCormick, was shot dead by loyalists in their
Coleraine home on Saturday night (see above). He had been due to
appear as a prosecution witness in a case connected to the loyalist
feud. (IN)

Nationalists warned that restrictions on a contentious Orange Order
parade planned for the week before Drumcree would not deter loyalist
paramilitaries bent on violence. It was also reported that trouble had
flared on the Springfield Road in west Belfast, where Catholic and
Protestant homes came under attack from stone throwing youths. In
Portadown a firework exploded in the nationalist Obins area, adjacent
to the loyalist Corcrain, and an army bomb disposal team was called in
to deal with a suspicious object that had been left at a Catholic home
in the area. The object turned out to be a hoax. (IN)

June 26, Tuesday
Derry&#8217;s new Mayor, Mildred Garfield of the DUP (see above)
sparked outrage in the city when she refused to meet a visiting
Catholic cardinal who has been tipped as a possible successor to the
Pope. Sinn Fein accused her of double standards when she delegated the
meeting to the deputy Mayor, Peter Anderson of Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein
Councillor Mary Nelis said it was "the most stark example of DUP
hypocrisy and double standards. I seem to recall the fuss made by the
DUP when former Mayor Cathal Crumley similarly delegated such a duty
to his deputy." (DJ)

It was predicted that a prominent loyalist and close associate of
Johnny Adair, re-jailed for his involvement in the trouble in north
Belfast, could be free again as early as next May. Gary Smyth&#8217;s
licence was revoked under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement after
RUC intelligence sources claimed he had been involved in the recent
violence. The same report also claimed that Adair could also be
eligible for release next May. (IN)

The SDLP in Claudy and the Claudy Unionist Association asked elected
representatives from outside the area not to interfere in talks aimed
at settling parades disputes in the area. The call came after trouble
followed an Orange Order parade in the town earlier in the month (see
above). A spokesperson said: "It is our belief that those elected for
and resident in the greater Claudy area are best placed to deal with
any problems, perceived or actual, in relation to parades." (DJ)

It was reported that the Royal Black Institution, who have applied for
a parade in Derry at the end of August, had attended talks with the
Bogside Residents&#8217; Group. Speaking ahead of the meeting an BRG
spokesperson said: "We welcome the fact that this first meeting is
taking place and it is our view that all of these issues surrounding
parades can only be resolved through a process of dialogue." The
meeting means that the Orange Order are now the only loyal order to
have refused to enter a talks process in relation to parades in Derry.
(DJ, IN)

An economic report forecast that another &#8216;Drumcree stand
off&#8217; would have serious repercussions for the north&#8217;s
tourist industry, which was already suffering from the effects of the
foot and mouth outbreak. (IN)

Further trouble was reported in north Belfast, with a loyalist crowd
gathering in the Glenbryn area as local Catholic parents tried to take
their children to the Holy Cross Primary School. Army technical
officers were also called to deal with a suspect device left at
another Catholic school in the area. Earlier, 100 Protestant residents
had blocked the Oldpark Road in protest against attacks on their
homes. (IN)

June 27, Wednesday
The funeral took place of Coleraine Catholic John Henry McCormick,
shot dead by loyalists on Saturday 23 June. It was revealed that his
home had been targeted several times during the past year, and was
pipe-bombed three weeks prior to his death. Speaking after the
funeral, Fr Eugene Boland claimed that Catholics living in
Coleraine&#8217;s Ballysally Estate were leaving their homes because
of sectarian intimidation. He said that four Catholic families had
left Ballysally because of recent attacks. (IN)

A Catholic man was injured in a sectarian gun attack in north Belfast.
The 31-year-old man was in a neighbour&#8217;s house in Rosapenna
Street in the Oldpark area when a shot was fired through the window,
grazing the victim&#8217;s back. His neighbour and three children,
aged 7, 10 and 15, were also in the house at the time. (IN, RUC)

It was reported that a senior Orangeman had rejected the offer of
face-to-face talks with nationalist residents over a contentious
parade in west Belfast. Belfast County Grand Master Dawson Bailie said
that the resident&#8217;s group was a Sinn Fein front.
Resident&#8217;s spokesperson Frances McAuley said: "These people need
to speak to us face-to-face and recognise we also have rights. " Tom
Hartley of Sinn Fein said: "The Orange Order is in denial. Orangemen
won&#8217;t see the fact that the marches are not wanted in
nationalist areas and use the excuse that the resident&#8217;s groups
are a Sinn Fein front. They don&#8217;t want to speak to residents,
they don&#8217;t want to engage or confront residents. They just
don&#8217;t want to address the marching issue." (IN)

A quantity of petrol bombs was seized during an RUC raid in the
loyalist Edgarstown estate in Portadown. Fifteen petrol bombs were
found, along with a container of flammable liquid, 16 empty milk
bottles and 40 milk bottles containing flammable liquid. Nationalists
welcomed the find. (IN)

Two Portuguese men in Dungannon escaped uninjured after their house
was targeted in an arson attack. It was the second such incident
involving the town&#8217;s Portuguese community in recent weeks. (IN)

A man walking in the Harryville area of Ballymena found two suspect
pipe-bombs. They were handed into the RUC, who called in a British
army bomb-disposal team. In Portadown, a pipe bomb was discovered at
the rear of a house at Westland Road, where houses were evacuated as
the device was dealt with. Another pipe bomb was discovered at
Alliance Avenue in north Belfast. (IN, RUC)

Two women escaped injury during a petrol bomb attack on a house in
Brown Street in Belfast. The attack occurred in the early hours of the
morning. (RUC)

A number of houses in Trewmount Road, Dungannon, were evacuated after
a suspect device was discovered in the driveway of a house. Although
it was later declared a hoax, the RUC described it as "a sectarian
attack on a man and his 80-year-old mother. This was the latest in a
series of attacks on this Protestant family. (RUC)

June 28, Thursday
Convicted UVF murderer William McCaughey, now a PUP representative,
called for a community forum to be set up in Ballymena to combat
rising sectarian tensions which he claimed were the result of the
flying of tricolours in parts of the town, mainly in the nationalist
Fisherwick estate. It was reported that fears were growing in the town
that members of the UDA and UVF would stage protests if the flags were
not removed. McCaughey said that "this is Northern Ireland and the
loyal flags are the flags of the country." The SDLP group in the town
hit back, saying that "the hypocrisy of those objecting to these flags
is immense given the fact that their supporters are responsible for
hundreds of flags in the town, including those of a grossly offensive
paramilitary nature." In its editorial, the Irish News called for all
&#8216;offensive&#8217; flags to be removed. (IN)

A 10-year-old girl who escaped injury when a taxi plunged into a row
of houses has been left traumatised, according to her mother. The
incident happened when a loyalist in a Rangers football top got out of
a car in Cranbrook Court, north Belfast and started shouting sectarian
abuse. According to witnesses he then got back into his car and drove
up and down the street, mounting the kerb and trying to hit children
who were playing in the area. One eye-witness said: "There must have
been something wrong with him. He was driving like a madman and
shouting &#8216;fenian bastards&#8217; from the car. It is a miracle
that small children in the street were not killed by that man." An RUC
spokesperson said that by the time they arrived on the scene the car
was surrounded by a crowd of people but they were able, with the help
of some of the crowd, to retrieve the car and driver. The owner of the
taxi firm that owns the car said that the car had swerved
&#8216;accidentally&#8217; towards the children. (IN)

It was reported that hospitals across the north were drawing up major
contingency plans in the event of a Drumcree stand off. Plans included
on-site accommodation for essential staff, mini-bus transport for
patients, surgical teams on standby and extra support staff on call.
It was also revealed that since the trouble in north Belfast began
that the Mater hospital had treated at least 70 casualties. According
to a spokesperson for the Mater: "Since this blew up we&#8217;ve
already seen a mixture of injuries caused by missiles including
plastic bullets, petrol bombs and blast bombs. A spokesperson for
Altnagelvin Hospital in Derry said "We remain hopeful there will be no
problems this year. However, we have to be prepared for any
eventuality." (IN, DJ)

June 29, Friday
The RUC issued an alert across the north following the discovery of a
new "sophisticated and more lethal" loyalist pipe bomb. A member of
the public in Ballymena discovered two of the new bombs earlier in the
week (see above). The devices are described as "anti-personnel
booby-traps" which use a key to hang the device to door locks, and
which have the capacity to kill. An RUC inspector said it was possible
the devices found were intended for Catholic homes. The wired pipe
bomb measures one foot long, and is attached to a household key. They
are believed to be designed to explode when the target opens their
door, and is said to be particularly deadly because it is planted at
head height. An SDLP spokesperson said they were aware that the pipe
bomb was recognised as being a weapon used by loyalist paramilitaries,
while Sinn Fein called on all nationalists to be "extra vigilant."
(IN, RUC)

A north-Belfast mother-of-four said she would appeal the RUC&#8217;s
refusal to certify her compensation claim after her home was destroyed
after a pipe bomb attack and fire in February. The RUC have refused to
certify the claim because they say they cannot link a paramilitary
group to the attack, even though the pipe bomb is a favoured weapon of
loyalists and the attack on the woman&#8217;s home came amidst a spate
of loyalist pipe bomb attacks. Without the RUC certificate she is
unable to claim compensation for the damage caused to her home and
property, and is unable to replace any of her or her family&#8217;s
belongings that were destroyed in the attack. (IN)

Portadown Orangemen were accused of &#8216;upping the ante&#8217; by
appealing for mass support at Drumcree Hill for their dispute.
Portadown District Lodge made the call on its website through its
&#8216;Countdown to Drumcree Service." The SDLP&#8217;s Dolores Kelly
said: "This seems to be a rally to civil disturbance because that it
what was meant in the past. People are very worried and the tension
gradually builds from the month of March. There is fear that the
difficulties from Belfast will spread to Portadown and will escalate
over the next few days." (IN)

It was reported that prominent loyalist Gary Smyth, returned to jail
after being linked to the trouble in north Belfast, was being
questioned about a hoax bomb alert at the Holy Cross Girls Primary
School, the Catholic school at the centre of the recent trouble in
north Belfast. (IN)

The Apprentice Boys of Derry announced details of the week-long Maiden
City festival, which coincides with their August march. The march has
been relatively trouble-free in recent years after agreement was
reached between the Apprentice Boys and the Bogside Residents&#8217;
Group. (IN)

It was reported that fears were growing in west Belfast that loyalist
paramilitaries would attempt to &#8216;wreak havoc&#8217; in the
aftermath of a contentious Orange parade in the area. The reports came
as residents awaited news of the Parades Commission decision on the
march. One local source said: "There are sinister elements waiting in
the wings to cause confrontation and trouble. The march is not the
main concern but the focus is on organised violence from loyalists
after the march." There were also claims that the UDA and UVF had met
with the Orange Order to discuss the march. (IN)

Clergymen in Armagh appealed for calm ahead of all contentious
parades. After a meeting of the northern Catholic Bishops a statement
was released, which said: "We condemn unreservedly all sectarian
attacks. We have witnessed murder, people being attacked in and even
driven from their homes, children being intimidated on their way to
school, rioting in the streets, and churches being burned to the
ground. We fully understand the fear under which so many people are
living. We appeal for neighbour to reassure neighbours, especially
where families feel threatened. (IN)

A parade to commemorate Derry loyalist Cecil McKnight, killed by the
IRA 10 years ago, was cancelled. The organisers said the parade, which
had been allowed by the Parades Commission, was cancelled "in the
interests of community harmony." A spokesperson said: "This decision
was taken purely to leave the way clear for the Orange Order in their
endeavours to parade this year." It was also reported that the Orange
Order had agreed to take part in a talks process which also involved
the Bogside Residents&#8217; Group. However, it was not clear whether
or not they would actually meet the resident&#8217;s group
face-to-face. (DJ)

Relatives of two men killed by the LVF in Poyntzpass three years ago
expressed their delight as the men convicted of the killings lost
their appeals against their convictions. Philip Allen, a Protestant,
and Damian Trainor, a Catholic, were killed by the LVF in the railway
bar in the town in 1998. Stephen McClean and Noel McCready were
sentenced to life for the murders. They were released under the terms
of the Good Friday Agreement, but had their licences revoked when they
were charged with attempted murder while out on parole. (IN)

Education Minister Martin McGuinness called for a "zero tolerance"
attitude to racism in schools. He was speaking at the launch of a good
practice guide prepared by the Equality Commission. It was revealed
that two thirds of children from ethnic minorities had suffered some
form of racial harassment in school, and that 14% had been physically
assaulted, that the majority of schools were found to be
&#8216;indifferent&#8217; to racial issues and that racist attitudes
can harden in children from as young as the age of five. (IN)

It was reported that Derry City Council may adopt an official code of
practice for the city&#8217;s Mayor after the SDLP and DUP complained
about incidents during Sinn Fein councillor Cathal Crumley&#8217;s
time as Mayor. This follows incidents a number of years ago when
Ulster Unionist Mayor Richard Dallas was officially censured for
taking part in Drumcree protests in the city, which included blocking
Craigavon Bridge, one of the main arterial routes in and out of the
city. (DJ)

Sinn Fein accused loyalists in the Waterside in Derry of engaging in a
&#8216;cynical attempt&#8217; to deter nationalists from buying new
homes in the area. The accusation came after loyalist flags appeared
at a new housing development at Drumahoe. Sinn Fein MLA Mitchell
McLaughlin said: "I believe that those loyalists responsible for
putting up these flags in this particular area are determined not to
have a fenian about the place and are sending out a clear message
designed to intimidate nationalists from purchasing homes." On the
same night, a device exploded at the front door of a house at Curlew
Way in the Waterside area of Derry. The remains of a pipe bomb were
found around the front door. The owner of the house, a Catholic, who
brought up his two young sons in the house where he has lived for nine
years, vowed not to move out of the area. (DJ, RUC)

The Parade&#8217;s Commission, in a U-turn on its Monday 25 June
decision, ruled that the Orange Order&#8217;s Whiterock march would be
allowed along sections of the nationalist Springfield Road. Bands
would not be allowed to play in interface areas, but nationalist
residents expressed fear that they would do so anyway, as they have
done in the past. At last year&#8217;s parade, men in paramilitary
uniform accompanied a UDA colour party through the Springfield road
section of the march. (IN)

A nail bomb was thrown through the window of a house in Upper Dunmurry
Lane in Belfast. The female occupant was badly shocked by the attack,
but otherwise uninjured. (RUC)

Ulster Unionist leader and Northern Irish First Minister David Trimble
urged the Parade&#8217;s Commission to allow the Orange Order to march
down the Garvaghy Road in Portadown. (IN, BBC)

June 30, Saturday
A pipe bomb exploded at the rear of a house at Brown Street in the
Peter&#8217;s Hill area of Belfast at around 11.00pm. Two people in
the house at the time were unhurt in the attack. (RUC)

There were clashes at the Orange Order&#8217;s Whiterock parade, which
went through the nationalist Springfield road. The RUC and British
Army, who had water cannons on standby and had erected barricades,
seemingly against nationalist protesters, failed to protect the
peaceful protest from missile attacks from the loyalist side. The
residents, who were protesting against the Orange Order passing their
homes without consulting them, were sent into panic when they mistook
the bottles being thrown for petrol bombs. There are reports that two
of the bands playing were brandishing UVF flags, and part of the route
being festooned with loyalist paramilitary flags. A complaint has been
lodged with the Parade&#8217;s Commission. (IN)


North Belfast:
June 1, Friday.
Nigel Dodds, the newly elected DUP MP for North Belfast told the North
Belfast News that he intended taking part in the controversial Orange
Tour of the North parade through north Belfast. "People get what they
see with Nigel Dodds, I am an Orangeman" He said. Nationalists
responded that the comments ran contrary to his pledge to represent
all the people of north Belfast.
June 2, Saturday.
A week of tension, which local sources say involved nightly attacks on
nationalists or their homes at the Alliance Avenue/Glenbryn interface,
culminated in a loyalist gunman attempting to fire at nationalist
residents on Alliance Avenue before making his escape into Glenbryn.
(NbN, CW)

Nationalist and loyalist youths rioted on waste ground bounded by
Crumlin road, Flax street, and Hillview street. The RUC said that 12
people had been arrested. (RUC, IN)

June 6, Wednesday.
A 32 year old nationalist from Longlands was beaten and kicked
unconscious by a gang of 20 loyalist teenagers who had gathered in a
playing field near his home when he was on his way to a sports centre.
The attack was stopped when a group of teenagers came on the scene.
(NbN)

A Glengormley resident told the North Belfast News that he was taking
an action against the local Council and the Department of the
Environment for allowing the erection of an Orange Arch. The arch in
Glengormley has been at the centre of a row between loyalists and
nationalists. (NbN)

The Parades&#8217; Commission ruled in favour of allowing the Orange
Order to march through parts of the Ardoyne and other nationalist
areas in north Belfast. Nationalist residents warned of a disaster
waiting to happen if it went ahead. (IN)

Two vanloads of armed men drove into mixed estates in Whiteabbey and
erected UVF posters. The men waved their guns in the air and stopped
traffic. Catholic residents expressed fears that the situation could
escalate. (NbN)

June 8, Friday.
Sources close to the UDA warned Catholics in Newtownabbey that
loyalists would be picketing the annual &#8216;Cemetery Sunday&#8217;
Mass at Carnmoney cemetery on June 17. "The area and graveyard is 85
per cent Protestant and the Catholic Church has never asked permission
in previous years" said Tommy Kirkham, former UDP councillor, who
compared the situation to Drumcree. North Belfast residents said that
they feared another Harryville-style picket. (IN, NbN)

A north Belfast mother of four, sister in law of a Sinn Féin member,
told the North Belfast News how her name was on four separate loyalist
hit lists. The woman was perplexed as to why her name is on any list
at all, she was also alarmed at the lack of information which the RUC
gave her about the threats. ( NbN)

According to the RUC, around 150 people were involved in heavy stone
throwing in the Limestone road area. Limestone road is an interface
street with nationalists and loyalists living at opposite ends. Local
sources said that incidents involving vanloads of loyalists driving up
the street and stoning Catholic homes were a nightly occurrence.
During one of the incidents a pensioner, John Huddleston, who was a
veteran republican, died of a heart attack. He was one of a number of
local people attempting to de-escalate the situation on the streets.
(CW, PFC, NbN, RUC)

June 11, Monday.
Loyalists set fire to and destroyed St Bernard&#8217;s Catholic chapel
in Glengormley. The attack came just days after former UDP councillor
Tommy Kirkham threatened to picket the Cemetery Sunday Mass. The
parish priest of St Bernard&#8217;s is Fr Dan Whyte, the same priest
who said the Cemetery Sunday Mass. (NbN)

The RUC seized over 190 KG of explosives in a raid on what is believed
to have been a UVF cache in Newtownabbey. There was rioting afterwards
involving loyalist youths. The RUC said they believed the explosives
were destined for use against the Catholic population. It was the
second loyalist explosives find in the area in a week. (IN, IoS, NbN,
RUC,BBC)

June 15, Friday.
Rioting broke out between loyalists and nationalists as the Orange
Order&#8217;s Tour of the North parade passed nationalist homes in
Ardoyne along the Crumlin road to Ligoniel. Nationalist protesters,
who said that Orange bandsmen broke the Parades&#8217; Commissions
conditions and played music as they passed their homes, were pelted
with stones as they held a protest in a side street. When scuffles
broke out and loyalists charged at the protesters, the RUC lined up
facing the nationalist residents and then charged at them. The rioting
that ensued was dampened only by the torrential rain and pleas by Sinn
Féin&#8217;s Gerry Kelly for calm.

(RUC, IoS, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 19, Tuesday.
UDA/UFF supporters festooned the Crumlin Road area with UFF flags. As
they put them up outside the Holy Cross Primary School, verbal
altercations between loyalists and Catholic parents escalated and a
parent was physically assaulted.

The RUC described "vicious stoning attacks" by loyalists on Catholic
parents as they collected their children from school. Loyalists then
blocked the way home, forcing parents to take a long detour.

A man wearing a Celtic T-shirt had a brick thrown through his car
windscreen as he drove along Alliance Avenue.

That evening the RUC prevented parents from using the Ardoyne Road to
collect their children, forcing them to use the back way, via the
Crumlin road.

There were unconfirmed reports that the RUC recovered a number of acid
bombs during raids on the loyalist Glenbryn park.

(RUC, IoS, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 20, Wednesday.
8:30 am. Catholic parents, having agreed to assemble outside a shop on
Ardoyne Avenue before walking up the road together to bring their
children to school, found their way blocked by a line of loyalists in
front of which there was a line of RUC officers in riot gear. In a
message sent to parents they were told that children would be allowed
through, but only with their mothers.

Anne Tanney, the principal of the Holy Cross School announced that in
the interests of the safety of children, the school would be closed.

Nationalists claim a gunman was seen on a motorbike in the mostly
loyalist Glenbryn Park area.

The PUP&#8217;s Billy Hutchinson crossed the interface to negotiate
with 100 or so nationalist residents. Angry words were exchanged
between Hutchinson and Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly. Loyalists threw
stones over the peace line as a man on the nationalist side, tried to
head-butt Billy Hutchinson who then withdrew.

Later in the afternoon, at another meeting in the Everton Complex,
loyalists agreed to allow parents to escort their children to school
on one side of the road only. Catholic parents said they would put the
proposal to a meeting while loyalists agreed that they would phone
through a confirmation of the guarantee by 8pm.

At 4:30 pm loyalists threw a pipe bomb over the wall of a house in
Alliance Avenue. It exploded near the garden shed.

The 8pm phone call never materialised. Instead the BBC reported that
loyalists were now "in no mood for talks".

As the evening progressed, violence escalated with skirmishes
intensifying almost to the point of full scale rioting. Full scale
rioting ensued later in the evening.

Later that same evening, several carloads of loyalists from the
Shankill UDA/UFF were seen driving around the loyalist area. There
were also rumours that the UDA were bringing weapons into the area.

At 11:05 pm loyalists threw a blast bomb at RUC and British Army
lines. Later RUC vehicles charged at a group of rioting loyalists
close to the Holy Cross School. It is believed that loyalist gunmen
fired six shots from the Glenbryn area and dissident republicans fired
three shots from the Ardoyne side. Rioting continued until 2 am, with
loyalists throwing over 100 blast bombs, petrol bombs and acid bombs.
The RUC fired the new plastic bullets for the first time: six at
nationalists, three at loyalists. 39 RUC officers were injured. Five
vehicles were hijacked and burned. Loyalists threw petrol bombs at an
ambulance carrying injured officers.

(RUC, IoS, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 21, Thursday.
At 11:30 am a loyalist picket dispersed for a meeting. It transpired
that a number of school children did manage to get to the school via
St Gabriel&#8217;s School on the Crumlin Road. For many parents and
children, the alternative route to school along the Crumlin road was
also problematic as sectarian abuse was shouted at them by passers-by
in cars.

At 3:30pm loyalists threw a pipe bomb over the peaceline. It exploded
in the garden at the back of a Catholic owned house in Alliance
Avenue. Three toddlers playing in the garden escaped injury thanks
only to the direction of the blast. A fourth child was hurled against
a fence. A second device, which was thrown over the wall of a house
belonging to two pensioners, failed to explode. Two women were taken
to hospital suffering from shock. Loyalists hurled missiles as the RUC
came in to investigate.

Arsonists set fire to Our Lady of Mercy school on the Ballysillan
road.

That night there was "fierce rioting" between RUC officers and
loyalists, who had set up a burning barricade across the Crumlin Road.
Local sources say that senior figures in the Shankill UFF/UDA were
spotted on the loyalist side during the disturbances. Some of the pipe
bombs thrown that night were said to bear the hallmarks of the
Shankill UDA. The RUC confirmed that they believed the rioting was
being orchestrated by loyalist paramilitaries "Ten shots were fired at
police in two separate incidents. About six blast bombs and 46 petrol
bombs were thrown as well as 10 large fireworks, bricks, bottles,
paint bombs and other missiles. Three arrests were made for public
order offences and 24 petrol bombs were also recovered by the police.
No baton rounds [plastic bullets] were fired by police."(RUC
statement) Four RUC officers were injured. Two Belgian water-cannons
arrived at Belfast and the authorities announced the deployment of
1,600 extra British Army troops. (RUC, IoS, IN, IT, NbN, CW, PFC, BBC)

June 22, Friday.
RUC officers refused to escort nationalist parents and their children
to the Holy Cross primary school even though there were only 20 people
on the loyalist picket. Catholic parents, having registered their
protest, walked back down the road and then used the Crumlin road to
gain access to the school through the back entrance.

"Why should we go through the back, when we have used the front for 30
years." said Isobel McGrann whose seven year old daughter is a Holy
Cross Pupil. " I was a pupil there myself and there were many
occasions when we were spat at but these are grown men threatening
children with baseball bats."

Parents of Holy Cross children complained that loyalists refused to
negotiate a settlement which would allow them to take their children
to school using the front entrance. Loyalists from the Glenbryn-based
Concerned Residents of Upper Ardoyne offered to withdraw their picket
if parents agreed to continue to use the back route via the Crumlin
road for the remainder of term.

Residents of houses close to the interface called for the "peace line"
to be built higher as stone throwing and pipe bombings continued. One
resident, who had been living in the area for 36 years, moved out.

Sinn Féin&#8217;s Gerry Kelly called on the UDA, whom locals believe
are orchestrating the attacks, to call off the blockade of the school.
(RUC, IoS, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 24, Sunday.
In the early hours of the morning there was an arson attack at
Whitehouse Presbyterian Church, near Glengormley. It is suspected that
nationalists were responsible. The congregation at the Whitehouse
Presbyterian Church had made a donation to help rebuild the nearby St
Bernard&#8217;s Catholic Church, which had been gutted on June 11.
(IN, BBC)

Two bomb warnings which the RUC blamed on loyalist paramilitaries
disrupted the Cemetery Sunday Mass in Glengormley which loyalists
close to the UDA had threatened to picket, the warnings also disrupted
a nearby Church of Ireland service. (IN, BBC)

June 25, Monday.
The Holy Cross Primary School closed for the day after a suspect
device was left attached to the perimeter fence. The device turned out
later to be an "elaborate hoax". Loyalists stoned Catholic homes in
the Newington area.

At 8 pm a 20 strong loyalist gang broke through the peace line which
separates the loyalist Tiger&#8217;s Bay from the nationalist Duncairn
Gardens "and attacked property with paint bombs, stones and other
missiles." Nationalists, fearing further incursions, called for the
gate at Hallidays road to be sealed. (IN)

Later crowds of nationalists and loyalists exchanged bottles and
stones at the junction of Limestone Road and Hallidays Road. One woman
was injured. Sinn Fein&#8217;s Gerry Kelly said that loyalists had
threatened to "burn Parkside to the ground". Eddie McClean of the
loyalist North Belfast Prisoners Aid Group retorted that Sinn Féin
were hijacking the cross-community communications network and sending
young men to interface areas to riot.

Prominent UFF/UDA figure and close associate of Johnny Adair, Gary
Smith, was arrested at his Shankill home after having been connected
to the disturbances in the Ardoyne area. RUC chief Ronnie Flanagan
revoked the licence on his 16 year sentence for conspiracy to cause
murder. Smith was also questioned at Gough barracks about the bomb
alert at the Holy Cross School.

(RUC, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 26, Tuesday.
For the second time in two weeks a Catholic Church was set on fire in
Glengormley. St Mary&#8217;s Catholic Church was seriously damaged in
an arson attack in the early hours of the morning.

A Catholic man was shot by loyalists in Rosapenna Street in Oldpark.
His injuries were not life-threatening.

(RUC, IoS, IN, NbN, BBC)

June 27, Wednesday.
Loyalists were blamed for a pipe bomb attack on a house in Alliance
Avenue.

June 28, Thursday.
Arsonists poured petrol through the letterbox and then set fire to the
front door of a house in Lincoln Avenue. (RUC)

Jim Potts, a community worker from the loyalist Glenbryn estate, told
the North Belfast News that loyalists would agree to talks with
nationalists from the Ardoyne, but that they wanted other issues on
the agenda. These included complaints of cars belonging to Protestants
being scraped and of nationalist teen-agers spitting at Protestants.

June 29 Friday.
An Orange Order parade in Whitewell breached restrictions and tried to
enter a nationalist area across the Arthur Bridge. There was a brief
period of stone-throwing between the Orangemen and nationalists before
the parade moved on.(IN)


Sources: AN: Andersonstown News
BBC: BBC radio and television news, BBC online, Radio Foyle
CW: Local community workers
DJ: Derry Journal
DN: Derry News
IN: Irish News
IoS: Ireland on Sunday
LS: Londonderry Sentinel
NBelfN: North Belfast News
PFC: Pat Finucane Centre
RM: RM Distribution
RUC: RUC website
ST: Sunday Tribune


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Death Squad Attacks
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April 27, 1997
Robert Hamill kicked to death in Portadown


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1998

March
Petrol bomb attack in Greynount in North Belfast
Arson attack on Star of the Sea Youth Club

April 2nd
Petrol bomb attack on Sunday morning on a Catholic family from
Greymount in North Belfast.
Four nationalists from Short Strand told by RUC they are on an
unspecified loyalist death list

April 4th
Catholic couple and three children were attacked by a sectarian gang
as they did their shopping in County Down village of Annalong

April 6th
12 year old nationalist child seriously ill after being attacked by a
loyalist mob on the Crumlin Road; has a fractured skull after being
struck on the head by a brick

April 19th
21 year old Finaghy man was beaten unconscious by a gang of loyalists

April 21st
30 year old Catholic man, Adrian Lamph, was shot dead by the LVF.
At preliminary hearing into murder of Robert Hamill, three loyalists
intimidated his sister Diane and followed the family from the court
back to Portadown.
Shots were fired into the homes of catholic residents living in
Antrim's Ballycraigy Estate.

April 25th
A catholic student, Ciaran Heffron was shot dead in a sectarian attack
in Crumlin village, just hours after a loyalist rally in Antrim town.
Loyalists responsible for a no warning bomb at Steptoe's bar and
restaurant outside Armagh city
A young catholic woman narrowly escaped abduction by loyalists in the
Whitewell Road area of Belfast
A number of nationalists were attacked following a loyalist march in
Castlederg in Tyrone. Two men were dragged from a cafe and beaten in
the street.

May 1st
A nationalist couple were attacked in Newtownstewart

May 5th
Loyalist pipe bomb attack on home of Brendan Curran.
An armed loyalist gang attempt to assassinate a Poleglass man, Francis
McCourt
Peral Segar from the Womens coalition had to move home after she was
threatened by loyalists in East Belfast.

May 8th
A 15 year old Belfast boy, Kevin Tierney, was attacked and seriously
injured by a loyalist mob in the Ballycraigy estate in Antrim.

May 9th
A young catholic couple and their 6 month old child had their home
attacked by loyalists in Hawkin Street in Derry City centre.
Nightly attacks on residents in the Newington area of North Belfast
from loyalists in Tigers Bay

May 23rd
Loyalists call off picket of Catholic Church in Harryville after
almost two years.

May 25th
A young nationalist schoolboy was attacked by two men as he waited for
a bus on the Antrim Road.

May 28th
A number of nationalists in Whitewell area of North Belfast were told
by RUC that they were on a loyalist death squad list
Loyalist gangs are regularly harassing and attacking residents in
Whitewell including the burning out of two cars and smashing of
windows in recent nights.
A nationalist family from Stoneypath in Derry narrowly escaped serious
injury after an attack on their home by loyalists. This is the fourth
attack on the family in recent years.
Attacks on nationalist homes in Portadown

May 31st
Drunken loyalists attacked a number of people in Donegall Pass in
Belfast.
A mob of 50 loyalists attacked homes in the Whitewell area of North
Belfast (More than 50 nationalist families have been driven from their
homes in the last three years)

June 4th
Loyalists pull down a fence put up to protect the nationalist
residents of Obins Drive in Portadown. A number of residents have been
hospitalised and had their houses and cars damaged.

June 6th
Loyalists attack young people at junction of Donegal Pass and Ormeau
Road

June 9th
Attack on home in Rosevale street, North Belfast, by a gang of
loyalists.

June 25th
Loyalist mob attack Lurgan family. Three family members require
hospital treatment.

June 29th
Joel Patten announces that picketing of Catholic Church in Harryville
will resume

July 2nd
Ten catholic churches were attacked in Crumlin, Lisburn, Castlewellan,
Belfast, Tandragee, Banbridge, Portadown and Dungannon

July 3rd
St James Church in Crumlin was burned by loyalists connected with LVF

July 4th
Two petrol bombs were thrown at a catholic home in Antrim

July 7th
Two students were shot at by three gunmen fromthe loyalist Mourneview
Estate in Lurgan.
A loyalist mob attacked houses on Collingwood Avenue with petrol bombs
and blast bombs
Catholic owned guest house in Carrickfergus was petrol bombed
A hostel for the homeless in Castlereagh Street, east Belfast, was
attacked

July 9th
Within 48 hours of the Drumcree standoff 73 catholic homes and 71
businesses were attacked. 136 cars were hijacked and another 213 badly
damaged. Dozens of roads were blocked.
Catholic churches and schools in North Belfast were attacked.

July 10th
Attacks against catholic homes and businesses in Kilkeel
Two men and a youth were injured when a loyalist gunman fired six
shots in the Ligoniel area of North Belfast.

July 12th
Richard, Mark and Jason Quinn from Ballymoney were murdered by
loyalists
At least 144 homes in predominatly protestant housing estates have
suffered sectarian fire bomb attacks and 155 other catholic buildings
have been damaged
Fourteen catholic families in Carrickfergus had their homes petrol
bombed and have been forced to move - mainly homes in Glenfield and
Sunnylands.
Two families in Greenisland, just outside Carrickfergus, and five
families in Antrim town have been forced to leave their homes
following petrol bomb attacks by loyalist mobs.
Homes were attacked in Larne
In Whitehead, county Antrim ten petrol bombs were thrown at Ulidia
integrated school and attempts were made to burn down the local
catholic primary school.
A pub and two businesses were fire bombed in Kilkeel.
In Bushmills, County Antrim, a loyalist gunman fired on massgoers.
A protestant family were driven out of their home by a loyalist mob in
the protestant Eastvale Estate in Dungannon.

July 13th
Orange marches chant "3 - nil" following murder of Quinn brothers.

July 15th
Four masked men fired shots at Clonduff GAA Club in Hilltown

July 26thM
Loyalists (UDA) attempt to murder two brothers in the Waterside
Loyalists firing catapults at homes of nationalist residents of
Carrick Hill

July 29th
Loyalists attack a bus returning from Long Kesh

August 5th
Elderly man in Cliftondene Crescent had his windows smashed by
loyalists

August 8th/9th
Loyalist attacks on houses in Powerscourt Place, just off Lower Ormeau
Road
Two young children were attacked by ten loyalists at Oldpark

August 15th
The Star of the Sea Youth Club was attacked in North Belfast

August 29th
A 200 strong loyalist mob rampaged through Portadown town centre and
attacked a relative of Robert Hamill.
SF Councillor Paddy McGreevy told he is on a loyalist death list

September 3rd
Two Catholic owned shops were damaged in Arson attacks

September 5th
Prolonged attacks on nationalists in Portadown - two catholic
businesses were set on fire

September 9th
A New Lodge Road woman received a bullet in the post

September 17th- Aghadrumsee primary school outside Roslea in Fermanagh
is being picketed by unionists and loyalists to prevent two newly
appointed catholic cooks from taking up their positions.

September 18th
Loyalists poured petrol through a letterbox of a house in the
Whitewell area of North Belfast. Dozens of cars were also vandalised
and windows smashed.

September 22nd
Homes in Rosevale Street, North Belfast were attacked.

October 6th
Attacks and intimidation continue in Portadown
A West Belfastman working on the loyalist Old Warren Estate in Lisburn
was threatened by loyalists and forced out of the sub contracting job
he was doing.

October 12th
Homes in Serpentine Road and Whitewell Road in North Belfast were
attacked with petrol bombs

October 30th
Loyalists attack catholic owned bar on the outskirts of West Belfast;
Red Hand Defenders

October 31st
Attempted adbuction of Ardoyne man by loyalists
Brian Service, a community worker in North Belfast was murdered by
loyalists

November 1st
Loyalists abduct and attempt to murder a young nationalist in the
Oldpark area
A nationalist man from the Unity flats area of North Belfast was
attacked by loyalists and required 28 stitches to the face.

November 9th
Loyalists attacked homes in Hillman Street in the New Lodge area of
North Belfast; large ballbearings and missiles were fired in the
windows of four homes
Loyalists attacked eight homes in the Glengoland in West Belfast

November 10th
Loyalists smashed the windows of ten homes and vandalised a car on the
Broadway Road in West Belfast. They hurled sectarian abuse at
residents.
A loyalist gan attacked two men on the Falls Road.

November 26th
Nationalist workers in Lurgan have been subjected to sectarian
intimidation
Loyalists put up posters threatening to lay siege to nationalist
Ligoniel area in North Belfast

December 10th
Loyalists spotted taking photographs at the home of a well known
republican in West Belfast.
A teenager required eight stitches after being attacked by loyalists
in the Waterside

December 11th
Loyalists attempted to murder a young woman in Graymount North Belfast

December 17th
Catholic family in Antiville Estate in Larne and three others were
injured when attacked by loyalists
A catholic family in Knockloughrim suffered a gun and bomb attack
UVF members wre involved in a series of sectarian attacks over the
Christmas period:
-loyalists attempted to fire on two men but their weapon jammed
-a catholic man was badly stabbed in East Belfast; he lost his spleen
-loyalists seen targeting in the area
-three men from the Lower Ormeau Road were abushed by loyalists at the
bottom of the Donegall Pass


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1999

January 2nd
Catholic man attacked on Ormeau Road by known loyalists from Donegall
Pass area. Five such attacks over the New Year period in this area.

January 6th
A catholic workman narrowly missed death when a loyalist bomb exploded
on a building site in Magherafelt in South Derry. Workmen at GAA
grounds in Magherfelt, Co. Derry, injured in Orange Voluteers grenade
attack.

January 14th
Four men claiming to be RUC officers attempted to abduct a republican
ex prisoner near Queens.

January 17th
A petrol bomb was thrown through the window of the home of a catholic
man from the Waterside

January 19th
A catholic man was injured in the arm and the leg in the fifth
sectarian attack to be claimed by the Orange Volunteers, Loughinisland
Co. Down by pipe bomb. Petrol bomb attack on catholic family in Larne

January 20th
200th day of loyalist siege of Garvaghy Road

January 23rd
A bomb was placed under the car of a catholic family in Greenisland in
North Belfast. Two Catholic in Larne escape injury when blast bombs
are thrown into their homes.

January 24th
Eleven families were forced from their homes in the Garvaghy Road
after loyalist attacks

January 29th
A pipe bomb was thrown through the kitchen window of a Dungannon
family's home

February 1st
Loyalists throw a pipe bomb towards a group of mass goers in Antrim -
Red Hand Defenders
In Antrim town in recent months 16 catholic families have been
intimidated out of one estate, three churces have been attacked and
there have been three sectarisn murders.

February 2nd
Around 250 Loyalists gathered at the end of the Garvaghy Road and
attacked local residents. One woman was struck by a loyalist wielding
an iron bar homes and vehicles. Some families in the immediate
vicinity had to leave their homes.

February 8th
Loyalists in grenade attack on McNally's bar in Toomebridge
There were also loyalist pipe bomb attacks in Crumlin, County Antrim
and in the Greenmount ara of North Belfast

February 9th
A woman taxi driver was attacked by a loyalist gang in the Twinbrook
area.

February 12th
Bomb hoax at UTV interupts chat show

February 14th
Pipe bomb thrown at house, Greymount, North Belfast

February 15th
A number of men in Cookstown, Co. Tyrone warned that loyalists were
planning to kill them.

February 17th
Abduction attepmt by armed loyalists of postal worker on Ormeau
Enbankment, South Belfast.

February 18th
Red Hand Defenders claim they attempted to abduct a Republican in
North Belfast. Cllr. Danny Lavery was in the area at the time.

February 24th
Red Hand Defenders admit pipe bomb attack on peaceline, Rosepenna
Street, North Belfast.

March 1st
Pipe bomb found in Derriaghy.

March 2nd
Catholic man attacked and his family threatened in Ballynafeigh, South
Belfast. Pipe bomb attack on Catholics living in Armagh City.

March 3rd
Orange Volunteers and Red Hand Defenders banned by British Government.
Bomb hoax outside Irish News, North Belfast.

March 4th
Bomb found Torrens Interface, North Belfast.

March 7th
Two Catholic families forced to flee their homes in Greymount, North
Belfast, after loyalist arson attack.
Bomb hoaxes in Roslea, Belfast and Coalisland.

March 9th
Pipe bomb attack, Portadown.

March 14th
Home of Catholic family in Larne attacked.

March 15th
Rosemary Nelson murdered in Lurgan by under car bomb. Claimed by Red
Hand Defenders.

March 17th
Loyalist Frankie Curry killed on Shankill Rd. Red Hand Defenders issue
death threats to PUP leaders. Bomb hoax at home of Martin McGuiness.

March 23rd
Grenade explodes at Scap Yard in Castlewellan Co. Down, injuring one
man. Claimed by Orange Volunteers.

March 24th
Derrykirk Inn outside Lurgan attacked by loyalist bomb. Claimed by
Orange Volunteers.

March 29th
Attack on home of Cllr. James McCarry, Ballycastle Co. Antrim.

April 5th
Loyalist mob attack nationalists in Obins Street, Portadown.

April 9th
Man hurt in Orange Volunteer bomb attack on bar at Dundrod, Co.
Antrim.

April 10th
Loyalist picket of Catholic Church at Haryville, Ballymena, Co. Antrim
resumes.

April 15th
Homes of two Catholic families in Randalstown, Co. Antrim receive
crude pipe bombs through their letter boxes.

April 19th
Pipe bomb found in Serpentine area of Greencastle. Red Hand Defenders
say operation disturbed by RUC. Hoax bomb at Fairview, Newtownabbey.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Breakdown of Loyalist Activity from April 1998- April 1999

Killings: 10
Grenade and Blast Bomb attacks: 29
Shooting Incidents: 19
Death Threats: 11
Families Intimidated at home: 276
Physical Attacks on Persons: 48
Attacks on Property (Churches, Homes, and Schools): 231
Attempted Abductions: 5


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Sectarian Attacks
November 2000


Introduction:
The following list of sectarian/race incidents and related issues is
from 01 through 30 November 2000. We rely on a number of sources for


our information, but this is by no means comprehensive. If you find
incidents that have been left off the list please contact us.

Because of the extent of the ongoing loyalist feud, the PFC is
keeping a log of incidents relating to it and is compiling a digest
for readers (see previous updates on Loyalist Feud Incidents).

2 November, Thursday

Representatives of the Chinese community met with RUC chiefs in a bid
to end the increasing number of attacks on members of their community.
(IN)

4 November, Saturday

The Andersonstown News reported sectarian attacks on a Catholic taxi
driver and Catholic Church in Dunmurry, on the outskirts of Belfast.
(AN)

The same paper also carried a report revealing that the wearing of
shamrocks on St Patrick's Day by BBC staff is still optional. At the
same time, a directive laid down by the corporation two years ago,
making it compulsory for all presenters to wear the British Legion
Poppy during the run up to 11 November (Remembrance Day) is still in
force. (AN)

5 November, Monday

A Catholic man from Larne, who has been repeatedly targeted by
loyalists, was hospitalised suffering from severe depression. In the
most recent attack, in October, the man escaped uninjured in what is
believed to have been a UDA/UFF booby trap bomb attempt on his life,
while out collecting fish bait with a Protestant friend. His companion
was injured in the attack. Three years previously the man, his partner
and their child escaped without serious injury after a grenade
exploded under their van. The man's uncle was murdered by the UDA/UFF
seven years ago, also while collecting fish bait. (IN)

6 November, Tuesday

A Catholic family living in Banbridge received a death threat
following an arson attempt on their house by loyalists. A caller,
claiming to be from the LVF, told the family they would not survive
the next attack. The same family were 'put out' of their home three
years previously. There are an increasing number of reports of
sectarian attacks on Catholics in Banbridge. (IN, PFC)

10 November, Friday

A Catholic man was attacked as he drove through Dunmurry. The man, who
had stopped at a level crossing, was surrounded by 15 loyalist youths
wearing scarves over their faces who quizzed him about where he lived.
They called him a 'fenian' before spitting in his face and attacking
his car with bottles and glasses as he drove off. (IN)

Community workers from the New Haven Trust, working on an
anti-graffiti project in Kilkeel, Co Down, were told by known
loyalists that they would be shot if they continued removing loyalist
graffiti. RUC officers told the Trust that, in light of the threats,
it would be safer for them not to continue. The far-right British
National Party (BNP) and the LVF are known to have been operating in
Kilkeel in recent months. A trust spokesperson said: quot;It is the
overtly sectarian and racist remarks that cause most concern." (IN)

11 November, Saturday

Catholics in Dunmurry asked the Chief Electoral Officer to relocate
the area's polling station away from a local hall, where there are
loyalist flags flying, to a more neutral venue. (AN)

In Dunmurry in the last number of weeks, loyalists have carried out
at least 37 attacks, including ones against Catholic schoolchildren,
Catholic taxi drivers, a Catholic Church, and a Catholic-owned
business. One man, who has been subjected to continued attacks when
driving to work and has had his windscreen smashed, said that even an
escort provided by the RUC did not prevent his car being attacked by
loyalists. Local sources say they believe there is a concerted effort
to force Catholics out of the area. (AN, IN, Daily Star, BBC)

Garvaghy Road Residents spokesperson Breandán MacCionnaith was
injured, and a friend of his died from a heart attack, when the group
they were with was attacked by loyalists who recognised them while
staying at a hotel in Bray, County Wicklow, in the Republic of
Ireland. (IoS)

18 November, Saturday

Loyalists attacked an annual GAA dinner dance at the Tullyglass Hotel
in Ballymena. Windows were smashed but no one was injured. (IN, RUC)

21 November, Tuesday

Stephen Irwin, the UDA/UFF gunman jailed for life for his part in the
infamous "trick or treat" massacre in Greysteel in October 1993, is
believed by security sources to have joined the British neo-nazi group
Combat 18. Irwin, who was befriended by British fascists while serving
time in Long Kesh, was released on licence under the terms of the Good
Friday Agreement. He was filmed by the Metropolitan Police giving a
Nazi salute at The Cenotaph in London on Remembrance Sunday (12 Nov).
Nationalists in Derry have called for his early-release licence to be
revoked. Loyalist sources deny he has neo-nazi links. (IN, Obs)

In Portadown 150 Loyalists, some covering their faces with
balaclavas and scarves, marched from the town centre through the
Craigwell and Corcrain Bridge area - just yards from Catholic homes -
shouting as they passed. The Orangemen, who had gathered on Drumcree
hill, vowed to continue their protests. The move came ahead of the
publication of a report on the state of progress in negotiations
brokered between Orangemen and nationalist residents by South African
human rights lawyer Brian Currin. (IN)

22 November, Wednesday

SDLP Councillor Danny O'Connor presented Irish Foreign Minister Brian
Cowen with a dossier detailing ongoing sectarian attacks by loyalists
on the Catholic minority in Larne, Co Antrim. Details of the 150 plus
attacks are not yet in the public domain because of fears that the
victims may be identifiable. The PFC knows of other areas in the north
of Ireland where nationalists do not want to draw attention to the
ongoing problem of attacks for fear of exacerbating the situation.
Four families forced to flee their Larne homes during the latest spate
of attacks told the Irish News that the RUC had failed to provide
adequate protection. (PFC, IN, CW, BBC)

24 November, Friday

Craigavon UUP councillor Fred Crowe said that he had received several
death threats from loyalists for having invited Tom McDermott, one of
the stars of Channel 4's TV show Big Brother, to switch on the
Christmas lights in Lurgan and Portadown. The threats referred to the
fact that McDermott, a Catholic, had worn a GAA shirt in the show.
(IN)

The Department of Education released funding for 'high security'
measures at two Catholic Schools in the predominantly Unionist village
of Newbuildings, outside Derry, in the hope of foiling future
sectarian attacks. Both schools have come under attack in recent
months. (IN)

25 November, Saturday

A pipe bomb was defused after it had been left at a side entrance to
the Catholic-owned Castle Bar in Coleraine. (IN)

27 November, Monday

An Orange Hall in Ballyronan was damaged in an arson attack. Intruders
forced open a rear door some time after 7.30pm and started a fire in a
store. (RUC)

28 November, Tuesday

Bogside Residents' Group spokesperson Donncha MacNiallais announced
that they (BRG) would not be opposing the Apprentice Boys annual
Lundy's Day parade through Derry City Centre on 2 December. The move
came after negotiations between residents and Apprentice Boys had
resulted in the march being brought forward again and assurances that
there would be no paramilitary bands and that shoppers would not be
assaulted. (IN)

29 November, Wednesday

The Equality Commission for Northern Ireland has issued judicial
proceedings on behalf of Lurgan Celtic against the Unionist-dominated
Irish Football [soccer] Association. Lurgan Celtic has applied five
seasons in a row to gain senior status but has been turned down on
each occasion. Another Catholic team, Donegal Celtic, from Belfast,
has been turned down eleven times. (IN)

Sources:

AN: Andersonstown News.

BBC: BBC radio and television news, BBC online, Radio Foyle.

CW: Local community workers.

IN: Irish News.

IOS: Ireland on Sunday.

Obs Observer

PFC: Pat Finucane Centre.

RUC: RUC website.

Just Maura

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> Sources:

YAWN

> Just Maura

Thank god. Greg been sending you his tiresome bookmarks?

Stu

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>> snip
>> >
>> >The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>> >good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>> >to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>> >their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?
>>
>> Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
>> down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
>> good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
>> mean it, please. Please?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
>> burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.

Snip irrelevancies again.

Mike

PS Please don't waste valuable space this way.
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>> snip
>> >
>> >The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>> >good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>> >to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>> >their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?
>>
>> Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
>> down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
>> good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
>> mean it, please. Please?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
>> burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.

Snipped unread

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M.J.Powell

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>@pickmere.demon.co.uk>...
>> snip
>> >
>> >The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>> >good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>> >to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>> >their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?
>>
>> Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
>> down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
>> good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
>> mean it, please. Please?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
>> burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.

Stick to the subject please. 'Hundreds of Catholic churches burned out'.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

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In article <tr84stodt0h023210...@4ax.com>, Féachadóir
<Féach@d.óir> writes
>Scríobh M.J.Powell :
>
>[snip slag of Greig]

>
>>PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
>>burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.
>
>http://www.cwnews.com/browse/1997/04/4753.htm
>"According to police, arsonists have damaged 53 churches, 47 community
>buildings and 71 schools over the past 17 months."
>
>If 53 Churches were burned in 17 months, it isn't that unlikely the
>total since the troubles began in 1969 is in the hundreds.

Thank you. But I suspect your simple multiplication may be in error.

I'm still waiting for the definitive list.

Or, of course, we could just put in down as another of his
exaggerations.

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M.J.Powell

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>@pickmere.demon.co.uk>...
>> snip
>> >
>> >The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>> >good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>> >to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>> >their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?
>>
>> Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
>> down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
>> good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
>> mean it, please. Please?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
>> burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.

snip Googles.

A bit off subject?

Mike
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Stu

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Say hello to my killfile you dickhead.

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> Say hello to my killfile you dickhead.

Stu, Maura is an Irish female name. I suspect you just vented your spleen
upon a young lady. Shame on ya. -the Troll


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;-) Say hello to my killfile you stupid cow - ;-))

Just Maura

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All I want is a little honest dialogue.

Maura

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> "hippo" wrote:

> >"Stu" wrote in message to 'just Maura'
> >
> >> Say hello to my killfile you dickhead.
> >
> >Stu, Maura is an Irish female name. I suspect you just vented your spleen
> >upon a young lady. Shame on ya. -the Troll
> >
> ;-) Say hello to my killfile you stupid cow - ;-))

There now, don't you feel better? -the Troll


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>
>All I want is a little honest dialogue.

I'd be delighted to talk to you, Maura, just as soon as I can get Greg's
list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches burned'. As you have probably
gathered.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

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>Scríobh M.J.Powell :
>
>Do you sincerely doubt it?

Yes.
>
>[btw, I read soc.culture.irish, and this is cross-posted to 9
>newsgroups. Can we cut the list back?]

Have done, so.

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WEll if they can burn a dozen to the ground in the space of a few hours,
how many did they burn in the thirty years of the troubles? When did I
suggest they did burn down hundreds by the way? You wouldn't be foisting
a red herring on us would you? Go get my text in it's original context
SVP. I think you might be spoofing us. When did I talk about this
list?

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Stu

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:16:58 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net>
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>> >
>> ;-) Say hello to my killfile you stupid cow - ;-))
>
>There now, don't you feel better? -the Troll
>

Much much better, Ta.


Stu

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:14:59 +0100, "gregory....@ntlworld.com"
<gregory....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>WEll if they can burn a dozen to the ground in the space of a few hours,

Wow - I thought they were just arses - but it appears they are pro
arsonists....

> When did I suggest they did burn down hundreds by the way?

Wed 3 Oct 2001

Stu

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Show us the context. I went and searched for 'hundreds' and there was
nowt to be found. I used two archive systems using the quotation
suggested. Nothing showed up except. Nothing on the third of the month
seemingly.

10/04 M.J.Powell 2.8K Re: But thus shall ye deal with them; ye...
alt.history.british
10/04 gregory.hu 6.1K But thus shall ye deal with them; ye sha...
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10/01 gregory.hu 4.3K Bloody Sunday in Derry
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10/01 Scriptwrit 3.6K Re: The Bloody British Bastards
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09/30 Andrew Tho 5.6K Re: The Alabama of the 1960s.
alt.history.british
09/29 discussion 4.1K Re: Catholic Journalist Killed in N.Irel...
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09/30 Jabir ibn 6.2K Boy hid in toy cupboard as gunmen opened...
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09/30 Jabir ibn 4.6K The Alabama of the 1960s.
alt.history.british

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M.J.Powell

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In article <3BC4BA53...@ntlworld.com>,
gregory....@ntlworld.com <gregory....@ntlworld.com> writes

You arithmetic is faulty. You assume a constant rate over 30 years.

You find your original text, you made the assertion.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

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Oct 11, 2001, 7:41:12 AM10/11/01
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In article <6gh9st0meqli6lj3f...@4ax.com>, Stu
<skin...@nospam.ntlworld.com> writes

Thank you, Stu.

Mike
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Cadiz

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In article <4bsqrtcp6e4aot1cu...@4ax.com>, Féachadóir says...

>
>OTOH, how many Asian homes in the UK have been firebombed this year?
>
>--
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Catholics in Northern Ireland (which is let us remember in the UK) have been
bombed hundreds of times this year alone.

Catholics sustain more very violent hate crime than all the other minority
groups in the UK added together.

Cadiz

Pat James

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On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:51:21 -0500, Cadiz wrote
(in message <9t8ld...@drn.newsguy.com>):

Look, everybody, Greg's back. And he's still clueless.

hippo

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"Pat James" wrote in message

> Cadiz wrote


> > Catholics in Northern Ireland (which is let us remember in the UK) have
been
> > bombed hundreds of times this year alone.
> >
> > Catholics sustain more very violent hate crime than all the other
minority
> > groups in the UK added together.
> >
>
> Look, everybody, Greg's back. And he's still clueless.

It is Greg and this time he may be perfectly right unless one counts the
Muslim boys going off to Afghanistan as UK civilians bombed. The bombings in
Belfast are very real and there seems to be no great effort to stop it by
the police. If left it will only spread. Nationalists claim the devices are
pipe bombs made at the shipyard. It shouldn't be too difficult to dig out
the bomb makers. -the Troll


Equilibrium Training

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Pat James

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 0:50:22 -0500, hippo wrote
(in message <y41K7.3238$py4.3...@news2.nash1.tn.home.com>):

>
> "Pat James" wrote in message
>
>> Cadiz wrote
>
>
>>> Catholics in Northern Ireland (which is let us remember in the UK) have
> been
>>> bombed hundreds of times this year alone.
>>>
>>> Catholics sustain more very violent hate crime than all the other
> minority
>>> groups in the UK added together.
>>>
>>
>> Look, everybody, Greg's back. And he's still clueless.
>
> It is Greg and this time he may be perfectly right unless one counts the
> Muslim boys going off to Afghanistan as UK civilians bombed. The bombings in
> Belfast are very real and there seems to be no great effort to stop it by
> the police.

Greggy says 'one a day', later ammended to 'more than 250 in a year'. The
best evidence I can dig up shows 120 or so for sure, and maybe 150, with a
max possible of 180. This would be a extremely large number of bombings, and
would rightly draw outrage... except that Greggy's poisoned things by
exaggerating at the outset. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the
obnoxious twit; if the actual figure is one third or even one half what he
originally claimed, then what would have been a major atrocity is merely not
nearly as bad as it could have been.

> If left it will only spread. Nationalists claim the devices are
> pipe bombs made at the shipyard. It shouldn't be too difficult to dig out
> the bomb makers. -the Troll

Nope. But it won't happen. And one reason why it won't happen is that bloody
idiots like Greggy have been caught inflating figures by 40-100%, which
serves to make any _real_ data look suspect. The more I look at Greggy's
behaviour, the more I wonder if he really isn't a bloody Englishman trying to
make Irishmen look bad. But then I figure that that's too underhanded, even
for perfidious Albion... Maybe he's really so much of a blinkered bigot that
he thinks that making up stuff will advance his cause.

hippo

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"Pat James" wrote in message

> hippo wrote

He does that. I think he thinks it will help make his case. I have told him
it doesn't but........ Good Republicans are not supposed to contradict
another Republican posters. Those that do get flamed. Unionist and others
are expected not to believe any of this and is written off as sectarian
propaganda. Somewhere the truth goes missing in the equation.


> > If left it will only spread. Nationalists claim the devices are
> > pipe bombs made at the shipyard. It shouldn't be too difficult to dig
out
> > the bomb makers. -the Troll
>
> Nope. But it won't happen. And one reason why it won't happen is that
bloody
> idiots like Greggy have been caught inflating figures by 40-100%, which
> serves to make any _real_ data look suspect. The more I look at Greggy's
> behaviour, the more I wonder if he really isn't a bloody Englishman trying
to
> make Irishmen look bad. But then I figure that that's too underhanded,
even
> for perfidious Albion... Maybe he's really so much of a blinkered bigot
that
> he thinks that making up stuff will advance his cause.

He isn't making all of it up and his claims are not what is preventing the
police from finding the bombers/bomb makers. I think he thinks he is
justified and may even have the powers of self delusion to actually believe
what he posts. Meanwhile the bombs and bombers are still a factor of
everyday life in Belfast. -the Troll


Cadiz

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In article <01HW.B81F2F250...@enews.newsguy.com>, Pat says...

>
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 0:50:22 -0500, hippo wrote
>(in message <y41K7.3238$py4.3...@news2.nash1.tn.home.com>):
>
>>
>> "Pat James" wrote in message
>>
>>> Cadiz wrote
>>
>>
>>>> Catholics in Northern Ireland (which is let us remember in the UK) have
>> been
>>>> bombed hundreds of times this year alone.
>>>>
>>>> Catholics sustain more very violent hate crime than all the other
>> minority
>>>> groups in the UK added together.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Look, everybody, Greg's back. And he's still clueless.
>>
>> It is Greg and this time he may be perfectly right unless one counts the
>> Muslim boys going off to Afghanistan as UK civilians bombed. The bombings in
>> Belfast are very real and there seems to be no great effort to stop it by
>> the police.
>
>Greggy says 'one a day', later ammended to 'more than 250 in a year'. The
>best evidence I can dig up shows 120 or so for sure, and maybe 150, with a
>max possible of 180. This would be a extremely large number of bombings, and
>would rightly draw outrage... except that Greggy's poisoned things by
>exaggerating at the outset.

"But Britain has counselled that cracking down on the UDA might only worsen the
attacks on police and Catholic civilians, who have suffered more than 200
pipe-bomb attacks on their property this year."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010928/6/b3g6.html

Take your 180 and keep looking. We already know that the local media coverage in
Northern Ireland has reported over 250 bomb attacks on Catholics this year. If
you can find 180 then you should be able to add a few more to your total if you
try hard enough. The UDA are as capable of using six bombs in a day as they are
of using one. This report is from FEBRUARY. A lot of bombs under the bridge
since then.

Monday, February 5, 2001

Pipe bomb attacks in Northern Ireland injure one

BELFAST, Northern Ireland (AP) -- Pipe bomb attacks in Northern Ireland on
Sunday caused a house fire in north Belfast and injured a woman in the town of
Newcastle, police said. It wasn't clear who planted the bombs, but police say
members of the outlawed pro-British Ulster Defense Association in recent months
have been intimidating Catholics living in or near Protestant areas. There have
been more than 100 attacks using gunfire, gasoline bombs and pipe bombs.

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSNorthernIreland0102/04_pipe-ap.html

Cadiz

gregory....@ntlworld.com

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The AP wire have over 250 UDA bombs reported as well. Since when have I
been a republican poster? I can post in as many media reports as I
like. I couldn't care less what other 'republican' posters post. Facts
are facts and I'm not here to mitigate reality based on a political
agenda.


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Pat James

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:00:51 -0500, hippo wrote
(in message <TzkK7.4976$py4.4...@news2.nash1.tn.home.com>):

>> Greggy says 'one a day', later ammended to 'more than 250 in a year'. The
>> best evidence I can dig up shows 120 or so for sure, and maybe 150, with a
>> max possible of 180. This would be a extremely large number of bombings,
>> and
>> would rightly draw outrage... except that Greggy's poisoned things by
>> exaggerating at the outset. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the
>> obnoxious twit; if the actual figure is one third or even one half what he
>> originally claimed, then what would have been a major atrocity is merely
>> not
>> nearly as bad as it could have been.
>
> He does that. I think he thinks it will help make his case. I have told him
> it doesn't but........ Good Republicans are not supposed to contradict
> another Republican posters. Those that do get flamed. Unionist and others
> are expected not to believe any of this and is written off as sectarian
> propaganda. Somewhere the truth goes missing in the equation.

What it does is make sure that accurate data is ignored, as being simply more
propaganda.

>
>
>>> If left it will only spread. Nationalists claim the devices are
>>> pipe bombs made at the shipyard. It shouldn't be too difficult to dig out
>>> the bomb makers. -the Troll
>>
>> Nope. But it won't happen. And one reason why it won't happen is that
>> bloody
>> idiots like Greggy have been caught inflating figures by 40-100%, which
>> serves to make any _real_ data look suspect. The more I look at Greggy's
>> behaviour, the more I wonder if he really isn't a bloody Englishman trying
>> to
>> make Irishmen look bad. But then I figure that that's too underhanded, even
>> for perfidious Albion... Maybe he's really so much of a blinkered bigot
>> that
>> he thinks that making up stuff will advance his cause.
>
> He isn't making all of it up and his claims are not what is preventing the
> police from finding the bombers/bomb makers. I think he thinks he is
> justified and may even have the powers of self delusion to actually believe
> what he posts. Meanwhile the bombs and bombers are still a factor of
> everyday life in Belfast.

It makes it easy for the blinkered bigots on the other side who happen to be
in the police to point to the examples of lies and exaggerations and use
those facts to paint _all_ the data as propaganda... and therefore do
nothing, 'cause it's all lies, ain't it? The simple truth would serve the
cause _much_ better than statements which imply that it's official policy to
roast Catholic children alive.

Frankly, I discount anything that Greggy says, simply 'cause it's he who said
it. The boy lies too bloody much.

hippo

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"Pat James" wrote in message

> hippo wrote in message

That may easily be one of the problems. It is hard to explain why the police
haven't been better at uncovering the bombers and bomb making aparat. These
bombs have been used against the police as well.


> Frankly, I discount anything that Greggy says, simply 'cause it's he who
said
> it. The boy lies too bloody much.

It would be more correct to say he has his moments. He can be lucid and in
fact maintains a data base that is more accurate than the Cain site for
statistics for the troubles when double checked. The next day he will
exaggerate wildly. There are some posters who think he is several people to
explain the inconsistency, volume of posts, personas and repetitive content
of many of his posts. -the Troll


Stu

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On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:57:20 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net>
wrote:

>
>It would be more correct to say he has his moments. He can be lucid and in
>fact maintains a data base that is more accurate than the Cain site for
>statistics for the troubles when double checked. The next day he will
>exaggerate wildly. There are some posters who think he is several people to
>explain the inconsistency, volume of posts, personas and repetitive content
>of many of his posts. -the Troll
>

Where is he?

I haven't seen his ranting posts for weeks!

Stu

Steve Hayes

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>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

That must be why it is unreadable.


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hippo

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"Stu" wrote in message

> "hippo" wrote:

> >It would be more correct to say he has his moments. He can be lucid and
in
> >fact maintains a data base that is more accurate than the Cain site for
> >statistics for the troubles when double checked. The next day he will
> >exaggerate wildly. There are some posters who think he is several people
to
> >explain the inconsistency, volume of posts, personas and repetitive
content
> >of many of his posts. -the Troll
> >
> Where is he?
>
> I haven't seen his ranting posts for weeks!
>
> Stu

Mostly on Irish interest News Groups. -the Troll


hippo

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gregory wrote in message


> hippo wrote:

> > He does that. I think he thinks it will help make his case. I have told
him
> > it doesn't but........ Good Republicans are not supposed to contradict
> > another Republican posters. Those that do get flamed. Unionist and
others
> > are expected not to believe any of this and is written off as sectarian
> > propaganda. Somewhere the truth goes missing in the equation.


> The AP wire have over 250 UDA bombs reported as well. Since when have I
> been a republican poster? I can post in as many media reports as I
> like. I couldn't care less what other 'republican' posters post. Facts
> are facts and I'm not here to mitigate reality based on a political
> agenda.

Since what have you not been a Republican poster? At least half your posts
'mitigate reality based on a political agenda'. I have never seen you once
decry Republican bombing in the same terms. It is clear to me one is as evil
as the other. Why can you not see it? -the Troll


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