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Ernest

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Mar 6, 2004, 1:47:13 AM3/6/04
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What does CID stand for, as in Oxford CID. I'm an American fan of
Inspector Morse, and while I can find many references to CID, I can find
any thing that says what CID is.

Morse is a Detective Chief Ispector. Does CID mean Chief Inspector
Detective, or something like that?

Thanks.

E.

Mekon

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Mar 6, 2004, 2:44:53 AM3/6/04
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"Ernest" <leuco...@seanet.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Isn't it Criminal Investigation Department? (Division?)

Surryman has the inside knowledge on this.

BTW Alan, you never did tell me if you found out what that white letter on a
blue background certificate that we often see on hanging on the walls of
various police officer's office was.

Mekon


Vaughan Sanders

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Mar 6, 2004, 4:11:24 AM3/6/04
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"Mekon" <blank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Department is right, (plain clothes detective rather than uniformed
branch). Remember there is no national police force, each county
(Oxfordshire) has it's own police force.

Offa's kingdom still lives on in the West Mercia force name Paul,
(Midlands I think).
Southend where I live used to have it's own police force when it was a
County Borough Council, then it was amalgamated with the Essex force,
I'm not sure of the position now it is a Unitary Authority, still comes
under Essex police I think.

Jamie


a.spencer3

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Mar 6, 2004, 4:18:35 AM3/6/04
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Mekon <blank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yep - Criminal Investigation Dpt.
Ye Gods - I'd forgotten about that, too! Did ask my son, he didn't know, but
he was going to check. I even had an ex-Chief Super asking retired Surrey
police as well, and never heard from him, either. Can you remind me what it
was all about?

Surreyman


William Black

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Mar 6, 2004, 5:01:04 AM3/6/04
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"Ernest" <leuco...@seanet.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> Morse is a Detective Chief Ispector. Does CID mean Chief Inspector


> Detective, or something like that?

UK police ranks are not the same as in the USA

An 'Inspector of Police' is equivalent to a Lieutenant, a 'Chief Inspector'
a 'Captain'.

Also to fulfil certain legal requirements police 'commissioned' ranks in the
UK are also assumed to hold commissions in the militia issued by the 'Lord
Lieutenant of the County'.

However this is different in London...

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John Cartmell

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Mar 6, 2004, 5:05:08 AM3/6/04
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In article <Rte2c.185940$jk2.674105@attbi_s53>,

Criminal Investigation Department staffed by non-uniformed police.

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John Dean

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Mar 6, 2004, 7:25:31 AM3/6/04
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Vaughan Sanders wrote:
> "Mekon" <blank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Vjf2c.89555$Wa.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
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>> "Ernest" <leuco...@seanet.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:Rte2c.185940$jk2.674105@attbi_s53...
>>> What does CID stand for, as in Oxford CID. I'm an American fan of
>>> Inspector Morse, and while I can find many references to CID, I can
>>> find any thing that says what CID is.
>>>
>
> Department is right, (plain clothes detective rather than uniformed
> branch). Remember there is no national police force, each county
> (Oxfordshire) has it's own police force.
>

Been a long time (nearly 40 years) since Oxfordshire had its (no apostrophe)
own force. We're covered by Thames Valley Police - as are Berks and Bucks:

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/about/areas.htm

Even back in the 50s & 60s, Oxfordshire Constabulary didn't cover the City
of Oxford which had its own force. The Morse stories (IIRC) all cover Morse
as a member of TVP, though if he was an Inspector by 1975 (date of the first
novel) he may well have started in Oxford City Police Force.

The CID still exists, though:
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/tvp4kids/tvpsw/tvp15/dept_cid.htm
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John Dean
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Mekon

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Mar 6, 2004, 5:04:39 PM3/6/04
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"a.spencer3" <a.spe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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(snip)

> Yep - Criminal Investigation Dpt.
> Ye Gods - I'd forgotten about that, too! Did ask my son, he didn't know,
but
> he was going to check. I even had an ex-Chief Super asking retired Surrey
> police as well, and never heard from him, either. Can you remind me what
it
> was all about?
>
> Surreyman
>

Frequently on British TV cop shows on the wall of senior officer's offices
is a framed certificate. It is printed on blue paper and the writing is
white, IIRC there is a crest on the top.
I just wondered what it was. - A warrant? Some royal cerificate?

BTW your boy seems to be the harbinger of bad weather, just before he hit NZ
they had the worst flooding for a century and two days ago half of Qld was
hit with a massive storm (winds of up to 130 k) The top third of one of the
gums in our yard broke off and ended up in the creek next door - we are just
glad it went that way 180 deg the other way would have planted it on top of
the garage taking out the three cars inside!

Mekon


Mekon

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Mar 6, 2004, 5:06:15 PM3/6/04
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>
(snip)

> Offa's kingdom still lives on in the West Mercia force name Paul,
> (Midlands I think).
> Southend where I live used to have it's own police force when it was a
> County Borough Council, then it was amalgamated with the Essex force,
> I'm not sure of the position now it is a Unitary Authority, still comes
> under Essex police I think.
>
> Jamie

I love to see the old fellow remembered in any way at all. Does anyone know
if the memorial at Bedford went ahead?

Mekon
>
>


Vaughan Sanders

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Mar 6, 2004, 5:05:42 PM3/6/04
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"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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Apologies for the apostrophe, its (of itself) rather than it's (it is).
Btw, I don't mind you or anyone else putting my poor English right, some
of the un-capitalised nouns / pronouns *i* have seen on these ng's
lately really annoy me.

Jamie


William Black

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Mar 7, 2004, 4:15:32 AM3/7/04
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"Mekon" <blank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Frequently on British TV cop shows on the wall of senior officer's offices
> is a framed certificate. It is printed on blue paper and the writing is
> white, IIRC there is a crest on the top.
> I just wondered what it was. - A warrant? Some royal cerificate?

Could be any one of a number of things.

The citations for awards usually comes on light blue paper.

However it's almost certainly a citation for a QPM (Queens Police Medal)
which is the UK police gallantry medal.

Mekon

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Mar 7, 2004, 6:04:51 AM3/7/04
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"William Black" <black_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Given your answer lower in this thread, I thought it might be the commission
in the militia. The ones I saw were on dark blue paper. But some sort of
citation or medal would fit. :)

Mekon


a.spencer3

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Mar 8, 2004, 4:31:45 AM3/8/04
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Mekon <blank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'll remail details to my 'snouts' and see if I get anything!
Re weather - you're safe, he brings the good stuff!
He left Auckland the day before a storm closed the airport, got to
Wellington after the floods, and left before a storm was due to hit there,
got to Franz Josef the day after a white out and had beautiful stuff,
likewise Queenstown.
He's due in Cairns March 10 (I think), so get your pool clean again!

Surreyman


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