English nobility
NLC1818
another question:
What is the noble hierarchy of Britian..i.e..Duke, Earl, Lord, etc...and can a
Duke or Earl sit in the Commons or only in the House of Lords?
Also, what titles are given to royal grandchildren..i.e..Prince Edward's
children..if he has any...will they be princes/princesses...or a lesser title?
Thanks,
nancy
Rabid Bee
> Duke or Earl sit in the Commons or only in the House of Lords?
The hierarchy is baronet, baron, viscount, earl, marquis, duke. Barons
and above used to be entitled to sit in the House of Lords, but the
hereditary right was abolished a year or two. A number of hereditaries
(I think 92) still sit there, to supervise the change over from
tradition to another pointless talkshop. Baronet falls somehwere odd in
the middle - you are not entitled to be called lord, but rather sir. In
effect, it's a hereditary knighthood, created by James I because he was
skint.
Nobles cannot sit in the commons (although, with the passing of the
Lords, this will presumably change). However, it was often common for
the children of an aristocrat to sit in the commons before their
inheritance. For instance (from the period I study), Viscount Saye and
Sele was leading figure in the House of Lords during the civil wars,
whilst his son, Nathaniel Fiennes, was a member of Parliament. IF they
were the oldest son, then they would move up to the Lords on their
inheritance, and a by-election would be held.
Also, many aristocrats over time collected several titles, and so the
eldest son would often inherit a lesser title. For instance, the Earl
of Derby's eldest son inherited the lesser title of Lord Strange, whilst
the Duke of Argyle's heir holds the title Lord Lorne. Not all of these
held the right to sit in the Lords, though. Otherwise, all the children
of an aristocrat would hold the title of "The noble" before their name.
It meant nothing more than a mere honorific, it couldn't be inherited.
> Also, what titles are given to royal grandchildren..i.e..Prince >Edward's children..if he has any...will they be princes/princesses...or a lesser title?
I believe the "royal family" is limited to grand-children of the queen,
but they may only apply to who is entitled to carry the prefix Royal
Highness. I'm not certain on who can be a prince, but it won't be any
more than the queen's grand-children. I believe Princess Anne decided
that her sprogs wouldn't hold the title prince/princess.
Cheers, alex
Roger Whitehead
wrote:
> What is the noble hierarchy of Britian.
This site gives plenty of detail:
http://laura.chinet.com//html/titles02.html
Regards,
Roger
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Oxted, Surrey, England
Roger Whitehead
> The hierarchy is baronet, baron, viscount, earl, marquis, duke
You left out the Barron Knights. 8-)
Andrew Chaplin
"Rabid Bee" <rabi...@mcmail.com> wrote in message
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> > What is the noble hierarchy of Britian..i.e..Duke, Earl, Lord, etc...and
can a
> > Duke or Earl sit in the Commons or only in the House of Lords?
>
> (I think 92) still sit there, to supervise the change over from
> tradition to another pointless talkshop.
>
appointees and patrons of the ruling party in the Commons, it will evolve
into a British equivalent of the Canadian Senate (that home of sober second
thought [GAG!]) which a wit delightfully described as 'a taskless thanks.'
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
Charles Lincoln
when he wrote, "a House of Peers composed entirely of men with no
grandfathers to speak of must go to the dogs." (this may not be an exact
quote, but it's pretty close). Then the Queen of the Fairies responds---"I
suppose it must."
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