The Virginia Tech Murderer
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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Va. Gunman Had 2 Previous Stalking Cases
Apr 18, 10:45 AM (ET)
By ADAM GELLER
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting in
modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two female
students and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after his
parents worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday.
THAT information should have been more widely shared among the Virginia Tech
authorities and the State of Virginia authorities. -- DSH
Cho Seung-Hui had concerned one woman enough with his calls and e-mail in
2005 that police were called in, said Police Chief Wendell Flinchum.
He said the woman declined to press charges and Cho was referred to the
university disciplinary system. During one of those incidents, both in late
2005, the department received a call from Cho's parents who were concerned
that he might be suicidal, and he was taken to a mental health facility, he
said.
And what were the RESULTS and the RECORDS kept? "Privacy Act" Concerns?
Flinchum said he knew of no other police incidents involving Cho until the
deadly shootings Monday, first at a girl's dorm room and then a classroom
building across campus. Neither of the stalking victims was among the
victims Monday.
Thirty-two people were shot to death before the gunman killed himself. State
Police have said the same gun was used in both shootings, but they said
Wednesday said they still weren't confident that it was the same gunman.
Police searched Cho's dorm room on Tuesday and recovered, among other items,
a chain and combination lock, according to documents filed Wednesday; the
front doors of Norris Hall had been chained shut from the inside during the
shooting rampage.
Other items seized include a folding knife; two computers, a hard disk and
other computer disks; documents, books, notebooks and other writings; a
digital camera; CDs; and two Dremel tools.
Why wasn't his room searched thoroughly after he was taken to a Mental
Health Facility? "Privacy Act" Concerns? Fears Of A Lawsuit by Cho and/or
his Family? -- DSH
Cho's roommates and professors on Wednesday described him as a troubled,
very quiet young man who rarely spoke to his roommates or made eye contact
with them.
THAT BEHAVIOR ALONE should have set off ALARM BELLS. "Privacy Act"
Concerns? Fears Of A Lawsuit by Cho and/or his Family? -- DSH
His bizarre behavior became even less predictable in recent weeks, roommates
Joseph Aust and Karan Grewal said.
Grewal had pulled an all-nighter on homework the day of the shootings and
saw Cho at around 5 a.m.
"He didn't look me in the eye. Same old thing. I left him alone," He told
CNN. He said when he saw Cho that morning and during the weekend, Cho didn't
smile, didn't frown and didn't show any signs of anger. Grewal also said he
never saw any weapons. ******
Did his roommates ever search his room? "Privacy Act" Concerns? Fears Of A
Lawsuit by Cho and/or his Family? -- DSH
Several students and professors described Cho as a sullen loner. Authorities
said he left a rambling note raging against women and rich kids. News
reports said that Cho, a 23-year-old senior majoring in English, may have
been taking medication for depression and that he was becoming increasingly
erratic.
Professors and classmates were alarmed by his class writings - pages filled
with twisted, violence-drenched writing.
They were "ALARMED"? So what did they DO -- since they were "ALARMED".
"Liberals" have SO much trouble DOING the Right Thing. They congenitally
prefer to THUMBSUCK, WEBSPIN, AGONIZE & PONTIFICATE. -- DSH
"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of
his professors, told CNN Wednesday.
So what did she DO -- this PROFESSOR? -- DSH
"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk
and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy.
It was the meanness - I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people - it
was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."
So, WHAT did you DO about it -- you silly, silly woman? -- DSH
Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including
taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to
class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken
out of her class, saying she would quit if he wasn't removed.
SO -- this silly, silly woman simply shuffled him off to OTHER ACADEMICS.
"Privacy Act" Concerns? Fears Of A Lawsuit by Cho and/or his Family?...IF
she pursued the issues involved. "Liberals" fail to see THREATS, often
because they don't think there are any truly EVIL PEOPLE in the World. --
DSH
Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she
tutored Cho after that.
"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America"
Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there
most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to
see his face."
And THAT did NOT set off more ALARMS? ANOTHER silly, silly woman. What did
she DO? "Privacy Act" Concerns? Fears Of A Lawsuit by Cho and/or his
Family?...IF she pursued the issues involved. "Liberals" fail to see
THREATS, often because they don't think there are any truly EVIL PEOPLE in
the World. They say things such as "Cho was very "TROUBLED" and then
THUMBSUCK. -- DSH
Roy also described using a code word with her assistant to call police if
she ever felt threatened by Cho, but she said she never used it.
WHY NOT? "Liberal" Cowardice, Coupled To Abject Fear of being accused of
being "OVERREACTIVE"? -- DSH
Cho's writing was so disturbing, though, he was referred to the university's
counseling service, said Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's
English department.
And what did CAROLYN RUDE DO? These WIMPY, WUSSY ACADEMICS are PASSING
THE HOT POTATO all around the IVORY TOWER. -- DSH
In screenplays Cho wrote for a class last fall, characters throw hammers and
attack with chainsaws, said a student who attended Virginia Tech last fall.
In another, Cho concocted a tale of students who fantasize about stalking
and killing a teacher who sexually molested them.
"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare," former
classmate Ian MacFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an
AOL Web site.
They READ these "PLAYS" OUT LOUD in CLASS? Did anyone DO anything
subsequently? -- DSH
"The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't
have even thought of."
He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry
about whether he could be a school shooter."
Did they DO anything? -- DSH
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to
hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But
when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying,
bawling."
Because you hadn't DONE anything -- in concert with all the other SILLY MEN
and WOMEN? -- DSH
Despite the many warning signs that came to light in the bloody aftermath,
police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set Cho
off.
CLUELESS ACADEMICS, ADMINISTRATORS & COUNSELORS. -- DSH
Cho - who arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and
was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., where his parents worked at a dry
cleaners - left a note that was found after the bloodbath.
A law enforcement official described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant
against rich kids and religion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity
because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
He had no RELIGION. That's ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM. NO MORAL CENTER. Just a
VACUUM at the CENTER. -- DSH
[Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she
tutored Cho after that.
"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America"
Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there
most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to
see his face."]
SILLY, SILLY WITCH. Why did you even PERMIT him to sit there with a HAT and
SUNGLASSES on for a TUTORING SESSION? Wimpy "Liberals" AFRAID of a
CONFRONTATION with a STUDENT. Really ANSERINE, PULLUSIAN and ASININE. --
DSH
"You caused me to do this," the official quoted the note as saying.
Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed
to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own
religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.
He was probably OFFENDED by what he construed as RELIGIOSITY by many of
those in his surroundings. ...Resented the fact that his SISTER had gone to
PRINCETON too? -- DSH
The official said the letter was either found in Cho's dorm room or in his
backpack. The backpack was found in the hallway of the classroom building
where the shootings happened, and contained several rounds of ammunition,
the official said.
With classes canceled for the rest of the week, many students left town.
Tuesday night, thousands of Virginia Tech students, faculty and area
residents poured into the center of campus to grieve together. Volunteers
passed out thousands of candles in paper cups, donated from around the
country. Then, as the flames flickered, speakers urged them to find solace
in one another.
As silence spread across the grassy bowl of the drill field, a pair of
trumpets began to play taps. A few in the crowd began to sing Amazing Grace.
Afterward, students, some weeping, others holding each other for support,
gathered around makeshift memorials, filling banners and plywood boards with
messages belying their pain.
"I think this is something that will take a while. It still hasn't hit a lot
of people yet," said Amber McGee, a freshman from Wytheville, Va.
Monday's rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart - first
at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom
building, where 31 people, including Cho, died. Two handguns - a 9 mm and a
.22-caliber - were found in the classroom building.
According to court papers, police found a "bomb threat" note - directed at
engineering school buildings - near the victims in the classroom building.
In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech was hit with two other bomb threats.
Investigators have not connected those earlier threats to Cho.
Cho graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His
family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va.
At least one of those killed in the rampage, Reema Samaha, graduated from
Westfield High in 2006. But there was no immediate word from authorities on
whether Cho knew the young woman and singled her out.
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash
said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not
respond if someone greeted him.
Some classmates said that on the first day of a British literature class
last year, the 30 or so students went around and introduced themselves. When
it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak.
On the sign-in sheet where everyone else had written their names, Cho had
written a question mark. "Is your name, 'Question mark?'" classmate Julie
Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response.
Cho spent much of that class sitting in the back of the room, wearing a hat
and seldom participating. In a small department, Cho distinguished himself
for being anonymous. "He didn't reach out to anyone. He never talked," Poole
said.
"We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Poole said.
One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a
March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was
a legal, permanent resident. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun
unless he had been convicted of a felony.
Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box
of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571.
"He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any
idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said.
Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But
State Police ballistics tests showed one gun was used in both.
And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity
because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were
on both guns. Their serial numbers had been filed off.
Gov. Tim Kaine said he will appoint a panel at the university's request to
review authorities' handling of the disaster. Parents and students bitterly
complained that the university should have locked down the campus
immediately after the first burst of gunfire and did not do enough to warn
people.
Kaine warned against making snap judgments and said he had "nothing but
loathing" for those who take the tragedy and "make it their political hobby
horse to ride."
"I'm satisfied that the university did everything they felt they needed to
do with the heat on the table," Kaine told CBS'"The Early Show" on
Wednesday. "Nobody has this in the playbook, there's no manual on this."
Virginia Tech students still on edge got another scare Wednesday morning as
police in SWAT gear with weapons drawn swarmed Burruss Hall, which houses
the president's office.
The threat targeted the university president but was unfounded, said Police
Chief Wendell Flinchum. The building quickly reopened, but students were
rattled.
"They were just screaming, 'Get off the sidewalks,'" said Terryn
Wingler-Petty, a junior from Wisconsin. "They seemed very confused about
what was going on. They were just trying to get people organized."
One officer was seen escorting a crying young woman out of Burruss Hall,
telling her, "It's OK. It's OK."
---
Associated Press writers Stephen Manning in Centreville, Va.; Matt Barakat
in Richmond, Va.; Lara Jakes Jordan and Beverley Lumpkin in Washington; and
Vicki Smith, Sue Lindsey, Matt Apuzzo and Justin Pope in Blacksburg
contributed to this report.
Tiglath
wrote:
> Essential Facts Bearing Upon The Problem.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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>
> Va. Gunman Had 2 Previous Stalking Cases
>
Same story as in the Arab Street.
Serious lack of pussy will getcha.
Female students of the world...
Watch the quiet ones.
One of them gets overly taciturn, take him into the janitor's closet
and blow him until his toes curl, as if your life depended on it.
It might.
Save lives.
_ Prof. Jonez _
>> Shouldn't depressed people, especially those on medication, be denied
>> Firearms? Expecially those that are "angry loners" ?
Ray O'Hara
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Essential Facts Bearing Upon The Problem.
in a country of 300 million people some will be nuts.
the cops at va tech were untrained and had no clue on how to act. they made
wrong assumptions and acted on them. that allowed the killer to shoot an
extra 60 people.
dapra
The Virginia Tech massacre goes a lot deeper than sexual frustration.
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
"Tiglath" <te...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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> On Apr 18, 12:43 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> "Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176909291....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>From the day she heard the mighty blast of a .357 Magnum
>>
>> I see you still have psycho-sexual issues about huge pistols...
>>
>> --
>
> I am not surprised to see Little Willie thinking 357/100 [sic] of an inch
> as being huge.
Tiglath
wrote:
> 357/1000 = .357.
>
> DSH
>
> "Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1176921331....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 18, 12:43 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> "Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1176909291....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >>From the day she heard the mighty blast of a .357 Magnum
>
> >> I see you still have psycho-sexual issues about huge pistols...
>
> >> --
>
> > I am not surprised to see Little Willie thinking 357/100 [sic] of an inch
> > as being huge.
I do stand corrected, but I don't mind if people thought I was trying
to be kind to Little Willie.
With 3.57 inches he is in with a chance with a midget ho.
D. Spencer Hines
The Seminal Issue of...
PREEMPTIVE ACTION.
DSH
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"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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>>>The police have no duty or requirement to protect the public or prevent
>>>crime.
>>>Their job is to identify, locate and arrest those who have already broken
>>>the law. [SOP]
>
> In the UK, the police were developed to prevent crime as well as to solve
> it. Now they seem only to try to solve crimes that they can walk in on.
> Something is badly wrong.
D. Spencer Hines
Not Length.
DSH
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"Tiglath" <te...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines
relief -- and explains that Brits are a subjugated people -- often referred
to as "SUBJECTS" in the past.
Americans will not put up with such Overweening Governmental Powers because
we are a Free People and threw off such repressive governments when we came
to The New World
DSH
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"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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> I conceded that point my other answer when I said of the police:
> That is their job. (Indeed, I concede your point. It is potentially useful
> for specialist police to be armed and trained in the use of guns for
> particular need - but not for the layman.)
William Black
> This puts a salient difference between Americans and Europeans in sharp
> relief -- and explains that Brits are a subjugated people -- often
> referred
> to as "SUBJECTS" in the past.
>
> Americans will not put up with such Overweening Governmental Powers
> because we are a Free People and threw off such repressive governments
> when we came to The New World
Well, you're the one who has to live with the heaps of dead children
stacked in the streets.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
D. Spencer Hines
'Nuff Said.
DSH
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"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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> If the criminal arms himself with a gun and you arm yourself with a gun,
> you are no better than the criminal. You both have the means to kill and
> the intention to kill, if the situation calls for it.
>
> If you stand up bravely to the (majority of) criminals (who never come
> near you), then you are better than them.
>
> Reflect.
Renia
Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
Tiglath
> Think Diameter...
>
> Not Length.
>
Customers think both.
With very stringent tumefaction requirements in the contract.
It's good work if you can get it.
Little Pencil Willie can only wonder
Tiglath
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:X_vVh.104$X05...@eagle.america.net...
>> This puts a salient difference between Americans and Europeans in sharp
>> relief -- and explains that Brits are a subjugated people -- often
>> referred
>> to as "SUBJECTS" in the past.
>>
>> Americans will not put up with such Overweening Governmental Powers
>> because we are a Free People and threw off such repressive governments
>> when we came to The New World
>
> Well, you're the one who has to live with the heaps of dead children
> stacked in the streets.
>
We'll make more.
Tiglath
"dapra" <dap...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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A man with a lot of premium pussy in his life has little desire to die.
dapra
Hines must be coping your post from one group. Then post his 'reply' on
an other. Old sleazy trick.
The beauty of it is, that there is no limit to the Bush & Blair
corruptness, the limit is only in your imagination.
Tiglath
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
Fix it. He is saying terrible things about you. Half true.
Greek internet service works as well as half a condom, I see. Somebody
needs to be shot.
The Highlander
Being clever after the fact reeks of teenage judgement.
The Highlander
wrote:
And I'm still getting yours because you're the only person from SHM
that I didn't killfile as I kinda like ya!
D. Spencer Hines
Par For The Course.
DSH
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"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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> My husband legally owned a rifle for clay-pigeon
> shooting
Now that's a sport I'd like to see.
Anyone who can break a clay with a rifle and not break half the range
regulations in the UK is a natural shot on a scale most shooters just don't
encounter...
--
William Black
dapra
Well... yes. But so are the ones who wants to break secret codes, or
build new flying machines.
I don't underestimate adolescent males sexual desires. But all of them
can get a "pussy" a lot easier then plan a massacre. Since not everyone
can get "a lot of premium pussy", Iraq is the solution, is it?
D. Spencer Hines
And Pitiful.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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Professor Had Expelled Gunman From Class
Apr 18 06:24 PM US/Eastern
By ALLEN G. BREED
AP National Writer
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The mood in the basketball arena was defeated,
funereal. Nikki Giovanni seemed an unlikely source of strength for a
Virginia Tech campus reeling from the depravity of one of its own.
Tiny, almost elfin, her delivery blunted by the loss of a lung,
Giovanni brought the crowd at the memorial service to its feet and whipped
mourners into an almost evangelical fervor with her words: "We are the
Hokies. We will prevail, we will prevail. We are Virginia Tech."
Nearly two years earlier, Giovanni had stood up to Cho Seung-Hui
before he drenched the campus in blood. Her comments Tuesday showed that the
man who had killed 32 students and teachers had not killed the school's
spirit.
"We are strong and brave and innocent and unafraid," the 63-year-old
poet with the close-cropped, platinum hair told the grieving crowd. "We are
better than we think, not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the
imagination and the possibility we will continue to invent the future
through our blood and tears, through all this sadness."
In September 2005, Cho was enrolled in Giovanni's introduction to
creative writing class. From the beginning, he began building a wall between
himself and the rest of the class.
He wore sunglasses to class and pulled his maroon knit cap down low
over his forehead. When she tried to get him to participate in class
discussion, his answer was silence.
Why did she even PERMIT the maroon knit cap and the sunglasses in CLASS? --
DSH
"Sometimes, students try to intimidate you," Giovanni told The
Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday. "And I just assumed
that he was trying to assert himself."
But then female students began complaining about Cho.
About five weeks into the semester, students told Giovanni that Cho
was taking photographs of their legs and knees under the desks with his cell
phone. She told him to stop, but the damage was already done.
Female students refused to come to class, submitting their work by
computer instead. As for Cho, he was not adding anything to the classroom
atmosphere, only detracting.
And THIS did NOT set off Alarm Bells in the Faculty & Administration? --
DSH
Police asked Giovanni not to disclose the exact content or nature of
Cho's poetry. But she said it was not violent like other writings that have
been circulating.
It was more invasive.
"Violent is like, `I'm going to do this,'" said Giovanni, a three-time
NAACP Image Award winner who is sometimes called "the princess of black
poetry." This was more like a personal violation, as if Cho were
objectifying his subjects, "doing thing to your body parts."
And THIS did NOT set off Alarm Bells in the Faculty & Administration? -- DSH
"It's not like, `I'll rip your heart out,'" she recalled. "It's that,
`Your bra is torn,and I'm looking at your flesh.'"
His work had no meter or structure or rhyme scheme. To Giovanni, it
was simply "a tirade."
"There was no writing. I wasn't teaching him anything, and he didn't
want to learn anything," she said. "And I finally realized either I was
going to lose my class, or Mr. Cho had to leave."
Giovanni wrote a letter to then-department head Lucinda Roy, who
removed Cho.
Roy alerted student affairs, the dean's office, even the campus
police, but each said there was nothing they could do if Cho had made no
overt threats against himself or others. So Roy took him on as a kind of
personal tutor.
"At first he would hardly say anything, and I was lucky to get, say,
in 30 minutes, four or five monosyllabic answers from him," she said. "But
bit by bit, he began to tell me things."
During their hourlong sessions, Roy encouraged Cho to express himself
in writing. She would compose poems with him, contributing to the works
herself and taking dictation from him.
WACKO! -- DSH
"I tried to keep him focused on things that were outside the self a
little bit," said Roy, who has been at Virginia Tech for 22 years. "Because
he seemed to be running inside circles in a maze when he was talking about
himself."
He was "very guarded" when it came to his family. But she got him to
open up about his feelings of isolation.
"You seem so lonely," she told him once. "Do you have any friends?"
"I am lonely," he replied. "I don't have any friends."
Suitemates and others have said Cho rejected their overtures of
friendship. Roy sensed that Cho's isolation might be largely self- imposed.
To her, it was as if he were two people.
"He was actually quite arrogant and could be quite obnoxious, and was
also deeply, it seemed, insecure," she said.
But when she wrote to Cho about his behavior in Giovanni's class, Roy
received what she described as "a pretty strident response."
"It was a vigorous defense of the self," she said. "He clearly felt
that he was in the right and that the professor was in the wrong. It was the
kind of tone that I would never have used as an undergraduate at a faculty
member."
So WHY did she let him use it to HER? -- DSH
She felt he fancied himself a loner, but she wasn't sure what underlay
that feeling.
"I mean, if you see yourself as a loner, sometimes that means you feel
very isolated and insecure and inferior. Or it can mean that you feel quite
superior to others, because you've distanced yourself. And I think he went
from one extreme to another."
When the semester ended, so did Roy's and Cho's collaboration. She
went on leave and thought he had graduated.
SO they DID nothing FURTHER. They did NOT take it to the President of the
University. MOST Unfortunate. Professors intimidated by students. -- DSH
When she and Giovanni learned of the shootings and heard a description
of the gunman, they immediately thought of Cho.
Roy wonders now whether things would have turned out differently had
she continued their sessions. But Giovanni sees no reason for people who had
interactions with Cho to beat themselves up.
"I know that there's a tendency to think that everybody can get
counseling or can have a bowl of tomato soup and everything is going to be
all right," she said. "But I think that evil exists, and I think that he was
a mean person."
SO what did she do to counter this EVIL? Nada. She just got rid of him in
HER class. -- DSH
Giovanni encountered Cho only once after she removed him from class.
She was walking down a campus path and noticed him coming toward her. They
maintained eye contact until passing each other.
Giovanni, who had survived lung cancer, was determined she would not
blink first.
"I was not going to look away as if I were afraid," she said. "To me
he was a bully, and I had no fear of this child."
But she DID NOTHING. Typical "Liberal" "Symbolic, Feel-Good Resistance"
Sans Effect. -- DSH
D. Spencer Hines
Complete Psychological Autopsy on this misfit -- from BIRTH to DEATH.
FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY.
La N
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
> >
> Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
> getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
From where I sit (smn), it appears that most of DSH and the Highlander's
posts are being nuked.
NTTIAWWT
- nilita
dapra
What does it mean being nuked?
La N
Dunno. Something from outerspace is killing their posts, cancelling them
out as if they don't deserve to live in posterity!
- nilita
dapra
It's as good or better explanation, I've ever heard before.
Ed Stasiak
>
> BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting
> in modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two female
> students and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after his
> parents
> worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday.
>
> THAT information should have been more widely shared among the Virginia
> Tech authorities and the State of Virginia authorities. -- DSH
I doubt it would have made a difference, you can't lock someone
up for being weird and writing creepy poetry and the cops can't
be everywhere all the time to stop some nut job when they snap.
IMO the Virginia Tech administration and the state government
bears some responsibility for how many people this nut job
managed to kill;
April 16, 2007
World Net Daily
Art Moore
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55226
VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE
State quashed bill allowing handguns on campuses
College spokesman celebrated 2006 defeat because it would help make
campus safe
More than one year before today's unprecedented shooting rampage
at Virginia Tech, the state's General Assembly quashed a bill that would
have given qualified college students and employees the right to carry
handguns on campus.
At the time, Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said he was happy
to hear of the bill's defeat, according to the Roanoke Times.
"I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's
actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel
safe
on our campus," the Virginia Tech spokesman said.
The proposal, House Bill 1572, was initiated by Del. Todd Gilbert,
R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
But the bill didn't pass its first stage, the House Committee on Militia,
Police
and Public Safety.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than
police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering
campus.
Backers of the bill wanted to prohibit public universities from making
"rules
or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses
a
valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed
handgun."
The bill's sponsor, Gilbert, told WND that with today's tragedy still
unfolding,
he is uncomfortable commenting and cannot assert the university's policy in
any way contributed to the shooting. But he said, nevertheless, it's clear
it
couldn't have stopped the attack.
"The one thing that this tragic event does illustrate is that there is not a
single
gun law, rule or regulation that will stop someone with this kind of evil
intent
from going about their business and taking life at will, if they are
committed
to doing that," Gilbert said.
While advocates of gun control often believe they are improving safety, they
are depriving law-abiding citizens from defending themselves in dangerous
situations, he contended.
"Had I been on campus today, and otherwise been entitled to carry firearms
for protection and been deprived of that, I don't think words can describe
how I would have felt, knowing I could have stopped something like this,"
Gilbert said.
People who are willing to jump through all the legal hoops necessary to get
a weapons permit usually are not people society needs to worry about, he
argued.
In the spring of 2005, a Virginia Tech student who had a concealed handgun
permit was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, the Roanoke paper
reported.
Second Amendment groups questioned the university's authority, but the
Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police argued against guns on campus.
In June 2006, Virginia Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention
policy that reaffirmed the school's ban.
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
Are you _complaining_?!
Deirdre
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
----------------------------------------------------------
Va. Tech Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit
Cho Had Harassed Two Female Students; Officials Concerned He Was Suicidal
By NED POTTER and DAVID SCHOETZ
April 18, 2007 — - A court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was
"mentally ill" and potentially dangerous. Then it let him go.
WACKO! -- DSH
In December 2005 -- more than a year before Monday's mass shootings -- a
district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an
imminent danger to self or others." That was the necessary criterion for a
detention order, so that Cho, who had been accused of stalking by two female
schoolmates, could be evaluated by a state doctor and ordered to undergo
outpatient care.
According to the "Temporary Detention Order" obtained by ABC News,
psychologist Roy Crouse found Cho's "affect is flat and mood is depressed.
"He denies suicidal ideation. He does not acknowledge symptoms of a thought
disorder," Dr. Crouse wrote. "His insight and judgment are normal."
That information came to light two days after Cho, a Virginia Tech senior,
killed 32 people and then himself in a shooting rampage on the university's
campus.
'An Imminent Danger to Himself'
The evaluation came from a psychiatric hospital near Virginia Tech, where
Cho was taken by police in December 2005, after two female schoolmates said
they received threatening messages from him, and police and school officials
became concerned that he might be suicidal.
After Dr. Crouse's psychological evaluation of Cho, Special Justice Paul M.
Barnett certified the finding, ordering followup treatment on an outpatient
basis.
On the form, a box is checked, showing that Cho "presents an imminent danger
to himself as a result of mental illness."
Immediately below it was another box that is not checked: "Presents an
imminent danger to others as a result of mental illness."
Authorities said they had no contact with Cho between then and Monday's mass
killings.
Package Sent to News Media
This afternoon, NBC received a package they believe was sent to the network
by Cho. The package includes photographs of Cho holding firearms, as well as
a DVD with video and a letter running several pages long.
One of the pictures shows Cho menacingly wielding a hammer. It bears a
striking resemblance to a 2003 South Korean film, "Oldboy." The film, an
international hit, includes themes of revenge and incest -- themes also
apparent in plays Cho had written as a student. However, it is not known if
Cho had seen "Oldboy."
The letter received by NBC News is described as angry and
rambling---expressing hatred for rich people and elitists. It is described
as very similar to the letter discovered in the Cho's dorm room. According
to NBC news, it states "this did not have to happen."
The package was mailed at 9:01 a.m. Monday morning at a Blacksburg, Va post
office, sources said. Cho allegedly put the package in the hands of a female
clerk before leaving. The clerk told us a little while ago she remember
seeing Cho and recalls having to look up the zipcode for New York City's
Rockefeller Plaza.
It appears that the suspect took the time to mail a package in between his
shooting spree---showing a degree of cold blooded planning.
He mailed the package right after allegedly having shot people to death at
7:15 a.m.. He then appears to have calmly went [sic] on his way back to
campus and
eye witnesses say he began murdering 29 more people--about 39 minutes later.
The package was mailed to NBC headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Plaza in New
York City. It was received today.
The broadcaster says it immediately contacted the FBI New York field office.
The FBI is now forwarding the evidence to the Virginia State Police.
MSNBC, the Web site for NBC, published one of the photos in the package this
afternoon.
Sent to Psychiatric Hospital
Police obtained the 2005 detention order from a local magistrate after it
was determined by a state-certified employee that Cho's apparent mental
state met the threshold for the temporary detention order.
Under Virginia law, "A magistrate has the authority to issue a detention
order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of
hospitalization or treatment.
Wendell Flinchum, the chief of the Virginia Tech police department, said
that it's common for university police to work with state-affiliated mental
health facilities instead of on-campus counseling because it is easier to
obtain a detention order.
"We normally go through access [appealing to the state's legal system for
help] because they have the power to commit people if they need to be
committed," Flinchum said at a press conference Wednesday morning.
Cho was taken to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford,
Va., a private facility that can take 162 inpatients, according to court
documents.
It's unclear whether Cho went to the hospital with police on his own or was
taken there under protective custody, a possibility under the temporary
detention order obtained by police.
One of the young women complained in November 2005 that Cho, then 21, was
stalking her, but she declined to press legal charges against him. Police
interviewed Cho for the first time and referred the case to the school's
internal disciplinary board.
It's unclear whether any action was ever taken by the school, although
Edward Spencer, a school vice president, said that it's not uncommon for a
complaint never to reach a full hearing.
A second woman student, less than two weeks later, told authorities she
received disturbing instant messages from Cho, and asked police to make sure
there was "no further contact" from him.
Police spoke to Cho the next day. They say that shortly after, they received
a call from an acquaintance of his, expressing concerns that he might be
suicidal.
For a third time, police met with him. "Out of concern for Cho, officers
asked him to speak to a counselor," Flinchum said. "He went voluntarily to
the police department."
The student complaints that brought Cho to the attention of authorities came
during the same time that creative writing professor Lucinda Roy went to
administrators to voice her concern about violent themes in Cho's writing.
Roy told ABC News that Cho seemed "extraordinarily lonely -- the loneliest
person I have ever met in my life."
While the school, citing privacy laws, did not conclusively say that school
counselors had ever worked with Cho, they did say that a system for working
with outside mental health agencies and local authorities is in place.
"Clearly, mental health professionals have a legal and moral
responsibility," when a student presents a possible risk, said Christopher
Flynn, head of the university's counseling center. "We have a duty to warn."
But Flynn also said that signs of trouble in Cho's behavior were not a clear
indicator that action would follow. "It is very difficult to predict when
what someone perceives as stalking, is stalking."
A Loner, Mysterious Even to His Roommates
Seung Cho was quiet -- so quiet that some classmates of his say they never
heard his voice in three years. His roommates reported he was distant and
private, eating by himself night after night, and watching wrestling on TV.
Cho's roommates say he obsessively downloaded music from the Internet. One
of his favorites was the song "Shine," by Collective Soul, which he played
over and over
He was early to bed and early to rise, normally in bed by 9 p.m., and
sometimes up by 5:30 the next morning. His roommates tell ABC News they
would see him in the morning putting in his contact lenses, taking
prescription medication and applying acne medicine to his face.
"He pretty much never talked at all," said Joseph Aust, who shared a bedroom
with him in a six-person dorm suite in Harper Hall. "I tried to make
conversation with him earlier in the year. He gave one-word answers."
"He pretty much never looked me in the eye," Aust said.
In recent weeks his routine had changed. His roommates say he went to the
campus gym at night, lifting weights to bulk up. He went for a haircut --
surprising them by coming back to the room with a military-style buzz cut.
Aust and another roommate, Karan Grewal, say they were aware that Cho had
pursued women on campus. They said he also seemed to have an imaginary
girlfriend, a supermodel named "Jelly."
Students say he seemed as quiet as ever in the days before Monday's rampage.
Trey Perkins, a student who saw Cho during the shooting spree, said it was
unreal, "being that close to a monster."
Tom Reedy
news:O_BVh.241761$mw4....@fe06.news.easynews.com...
<snip>
> In the spring of 2005, a Virginia Tech student who had a concealed handgun
> permit was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, the Roanoke paper
> reported.
Here's what I would like to know: how did they know he had a gun?
Was he showing it off? A concealed handgun permit means exactly that: it is
supposed to be concealed.
Unfortunately, in my experience a large percentage of concealed handgun
carriers will tell you they have a permit within five minutes of meeting
them. Those kind of people shouldn't be allowed to carry.
TR
Renia
No. I'm seeing his replies to other people not just me.
>
> The beauty of it is, that there is no limit to the Bush & Blair
> corruptness, the limit is only in your imagination.
Limit of what?
Renia
Half true?
Renia
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:21:13 +0300, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr>
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes. He appears to be triggering a cancelbot somewhere (54+ messages
> killed in the last 4 days). Not every news provider honours the cancel
> requests, however, so many people will still see his posts.
Cancelbot? Ain't the internet a great place. My newsreader doesn't do
killfiles (at least, I haven't found the means to do so) so thanks, ote.
Renia
Mutual. Let yer rum leek. (Don't think I've spelt that right.)
Renia
Something like that. Cheaper than national service or summer camps, I
suppose.
Renia
eh?
>
> - nilita
>
>
Tiglath
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
a midget ho.
>>>
>>>Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
>>>getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
>>
>>
>> Fix it. He is saying terrible things about you. Half true.
>
> Half true?
>
You are a smart, lovely, and sexy blonde, but when it comes to guns you are
a lovely, sexy blonde.
Renia
Are you always up this early or are you just pleased to see me?
William Black
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kfAVh.8075$j%5.7026@edtnps90...
Two possibilities.
1. There's a thing called a 'cancel bot' that sends a cancel message that
purports to be from Hines that cancels his messages. Cancel messages are
not honoured on many servers because of previous malicious use.
2. There's some sort of manually triggered 'demon' on Usenet servers which
sends messages at the 'executive level' that tells servers not to accept
messages from a particular poster. It needs someone who manages a Usenet
server to be deeply upset with you.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
William Black
>>
>> BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting
>> in modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two female
>> students and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after his
>> parents
>> worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday.
>>
>> THAT information should have been more widely shared among the Virginia
>> Tech authorities and the State of Virginia authorities. -- DSH
>
> I doubt it would have made a difference, you can't lock someone
> up for being weird and writing creepy poetry and the cops can't
> be everywhere all the time to stop some nut job when they snap.
True.
But you should be able to stop them buying a gun.
La N
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
- nilita
La N
"Deirdre Sholto Douglas" <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4626F153...@sbcglobal.net...
Au contraire.
That's why I added NTTIAWWT - not that there is anything wrong with that.
The G*ds and G*ddesses are smiling down on Usenet ...%)
- nilita
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"The Highlander" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:10cd239fjm331t02u...@4ax.com...
It was with reluctance that killfiled her too - but she will insist on
answering hienz posts.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "Ed Stasiak" <estas...@att.net> wrote in message
Yes, you would have to do an extensive search for people who could
testify against him. Would an investigator know to check a poetry
class or a drama writing class or the professor? He is going to get a
gun and ammo no matter what you may think.
Personal experience. I went into a very posh gunshop with a friend who
was looking to buy high end hunting equipment. He had pretty much
finished when I asked the salesman what it took to get an automatic
weapon. His response was he would talk to me in the parking lot about
that. Not "no" but "where's the money?"
Virginia is perhaps the easiest state to buy a gun in the U.S. and Cho
was a long term Virginia resident with a valid driver's license,
credit card, etc.
The Highlander
wrote:
It's "Lang may yer lum reek" (Long may your chimney smoke - i.e. a
long life to you).
Rum leaking is a major Canadian physical and psychological emergency.
It's the local drink of choice in Maritime Canada (Nova Scotia, Prince
Edward Island and Newfoundland) as for several centuries there was a
thriving trade between the Maritimes and Jamaica, where Canadian salt
cod served with akee, breadfruit and rice is a traditional meal. Like
the Maritimes, Jamaica was a cash-poor economy and the Maritimers
would take barrels of rum in exchange for their salt cod.
I might add that my favourite rum by far and away is Appletons,
followed by Wray and Nephew's white overproof rum, which my wife, a
Bluenoser, (a Bluenoser is a nickname for someone from Nova Scotia)
introduced me to.
The greatest Canadian schooner of them all, Bluenose, was the fastest
ship in the Maritimes and became a Canadian icon, outsailing all
challengers under the capable hand of its skipper, Angus Walters from
Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, a German settlement where fishing schooners
were built.
Schooners built in Lunenburg were the finest vessels to sail the
Atlantic and the Bluenose was the finest of them all, being
memorialized today on the reverse of the Canadian dime (a 10 cent
coin) http://www.bluenose2.ns.ca/Images/dime_2.gif
It all began with the creation of the International Fishermen's Trophy
after years of friendly rivalry between American and Canadian fishing
schooners and the local contempt for the Americas Cup, which was and
still is a competition between "yachts" being sailed by "yachtsmen",
forever being towed in from races for repairs or "adjustments" of one
kind or another.
In 1919 the New York Yacht Club cancelled a race because of 23 knot
winds being too high, and schoonermen could take no more. So in 1920,
The Halifax Herald newspaper established a formal racing series. The
races would be between real sail carriers that were bona-fide working
ships.
That year, elimination races in both countries selected contenders.
The schooner Esperanto out of Gloucester, Mass., defeated the Delewana
of Lunenburg and took the trophy to New England.
Dismayed Nova Scotians hired young Halifax designer William J. Roué to
design a ship to challenge for the trophy. The schooner Bluenose was
built by Smith and Rhuland and launched in Lunenburg on March 26,
1921.
In October 1921, after a season fishing on the Grand Banks, Bluenose
defeated Gloucester's Elsie and brought the trophy home. In an 18-year
racing career Bluenose did not give up the trophy. The American
schooners, Henry Ford, Columbia, Gertrude L. Thebaud, as well as a
number of Canadian vessels built in an effort to surpass Bluenose's
remarkable sailing abilities, could not wrench the trophy from her.
The final race series took place in 1938. The Bluenose, by then 17
years of age, defeated the Thebaud one final time. Still handling as
smartly as ever, Canada's most famous sailing vessel was a tribute to
the Nova Scotia shipwrights and sailors who built her and many other
fishing and cargo schooners.
The Second World War ended the era of the great fishing schooners.
Replaced by modern steel trawlers, the fleets of sailing salt-laden
schooners no longer set out to challenge the cruel North Atlantic and
reap a harvest of cod for the markets of the world.
In 1942, despite the efforts by her Master, Capt. Angus J. Walters of
Lunenburg, and others to keep the ship in Nova Scotia, Bluenose was
sold to carry freight in the West Indies. The other schooners were
gone. Esperanto and Columbia were lost in storms, victims of the
treacherous sandbars of Sable Island, which is 90 miles eastward of
Nova Scotia and is known as "the graveyard of the Atlantic". Henry
Ford and Elsie sank in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. On January 28, 1946,
the Bluenose, Queen of the North Atlantic joined the fate of her
greatest rival, the Gertrude L. Thebaud, and foundered on a reef off
Haiti.
Captain Walters, one of the most admired men in Canada, spent his
entire savings trying to recover the Bluenose, but to no avail.
Finally a new schooner, Bluenose II was built in Lunenburg and today
she sails the Atlantic coast with paying passengers, as well as
appearing at Tall Ships events, etc.
In 1955, both Bluenose and Captain J. Angus Walters were inducted into
the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame for their achievements in the
International Fishermen's Trophy races.
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Here's the recipe for salt fish and akee with rice and breadfruit,
which Harry Belafonte mentions in his song, "Kingston Town".
Breadfruit is almost impossible to find in Western Canada these days,
but when it was readily available, I used to eat it at least once a
month at a local Jamaican restaurant in Vancouver, and like Mexican
food, it veers between delicious and painfully hot!
Breadfruit looks and tastes exactly like scrambled eggs; one of
Nature's weirder treats!
http://eatjamaican.com/jamaican-foods/breadfruit-roasted.gif
Akee (Blighia sapida, named after Captain Bligh, who brought it to the
Caribbean from Africa) is a pear-shaped fruit, with several moderate
lobes and a red to yellow waxy skin. The skin, unripe fruit, and seeds
are poisonous. The yellow, fleshy portion surrounding the aril is
edible and has a nutty flavour. The poison is why it's best bought
canned! http://tinyurl.com/2q694t
The Scotch Bonnet (Capsicum chinense) is one of the hottest of the
chiles and is closely related to the equally fiery Jamaican hot pepper
and the habanero. Handle with rubber gloves or surgical gloves and
whatever you do, do NOT wipe your eyes with anything that has touched
Scotch Bonnet.
http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/pictures/caps_78.jpg
Servings: 4
Level of difficulty: Easy
Preparation Time: 15 minutes
Cooking Time: 15 minutes
Ingredients:
3 tbsp oil
1 red onion, chopped
1 Pepper, chopped
3 Spring onions, chopped
2 Tomatoes, chopped
1/2 fresh Scotch Bonnet chilli, seeds removed and chopped
1x400g pack salt cod, soaked in cold water overnight
540g can akee, rinsed
1 tsp freshly chopped Thyme
serve with roast fresh breadfruit and white rice
Method
1. Heat the oil in a frying pan and fry the onions, peppers, spring
onions, tomatoes and chilli until softened.
2. Drain the fish and add to the frying pan with the akee and cook for
about 5 minutes, until the fish is cooked. Season with a little black
pepper and add the thyme
3. Serve with the peeled roasted breadfruit and white rice.
You can save yourself a lot of hassle by going to a Jamaican
restaurant and eating their version of it!
Tom Reedy
headers.
TR
"Tom Reedy" <tomr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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William Black
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1176982658....@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 19, 3:32 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> "Ed Stasiak" <estas...@att.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:O_BVh.241761$mw4....@fe06.news.easynews.com...
>>
>> >> D. Spencer Hines wrote
>>
>> >> BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting
>> >> in modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two
>> >> female
>> >> students and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after
>> >> his
>> >> parents
>> >> worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday.
>>
>> >> THAT information should have been more widely shared among the
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Tech authorities and the State of Virginia authorities. -- DSH
>>
>> > I doubt it would have made a difference, you can't lock someone
>> > up for being weird and writing creepy poetry and the cops can't
>> > be everywhere all the time to stop some nut job when they snap.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> But you should be able to stop them buying a gun.
>
> testify against him. Would an investigator know to check a poetry
> class or a drama writing class or the professor? He is going to get a
> gun and ammo no matter what you may think.
He was an in-patient at a mental hospital.
It's not that hard to check.
You know, a computer run against the records of mental hospitals.
'Has this person ever been locked up because they're as mad as a hatter?'
The wording used on the letter to the doctor in the UK is 'Do you have
reason to believe that this person is not a fit person to own a firearm'.
Do it with a closed cell of people you trust within the FBI if you're
worried about privacy.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
If this event creates the sort of legislation that would implement
that sort of checking it might actually happen. Given the massive
reaction to Columbine and the subsequent lack of anything being done
plus the fact that this occured in Virginia I doubt it.
Virginians are very much at the heart of the gun culture and it is
probably the easiest state to obtain a hand gun in the U.S. There was
a minor tightening of regulations when the state was publicized as the
supplier for illegal hand guns for most of the Northeast. It should be
noted that the current administration has relaxed or let lapse certain
provisions of the Brady Law.
NRA is a force in a state like Virginia, which can elect state wide
officers from either party with no way of telling which will happen.
The state is among the more conservative and even the Democrats know
this and acknowledge it.
La N
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kfAVh.8075$j%5.7026@edtnps90...
>>
>> "dapra" <dap...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:w_OdnQ38CfxVUrvb...@comcast.com...
>>> La N wrote:
>>>> "Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>> news:f0697q$fvc$1...@mouse.otenet.gr...
>>>>
>>>>>Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
>>>>>getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From where I sit (smn), it appears that most of DSH and the
>>>> Highlander's posts are being nuked.
>>>>
>>>> NTTIAWWT
>>>>
>>>> - nilita
>>>
>>> What does it mean being nuked?
>>
>> Dunno. Something from outerspace is killing their posts, cancelling them
>> out as if they don't deserve to live in posterity!
>
> Two possibilities.
>
> 1. There's a thing called a 'cancel bot' that sends a cancel message that
> purports to be from Hines that cancels his messages. Cancel messages are
> not honoured on many servers because of previous malicious use.
>
> 2. There's some sort of manually triggered 'demon' on Usenet servers
> which sends messages at the 'executive level' that tells servers not to
> accept messages from a particular poster. It needs someone who manages a
> Usenet server to be deeply upset with you.
>
Well, as of this morning, the cancelbot is still taking out Hines and
Highlander.
That is a good thing.
- nilita
Tiglath
> Tiglath wrote:
> > "Renia" <r...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
Up this late rather. I inhabit the night. When the knees of smart,
lovely, and sexy blondes relax and go carefree thinking it's safe.
Tiglath
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:21:13 +0300, Renia <r...@DELETEotenet.gr>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Tiglath wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 18, 4:04 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>357/1000 = .357.
>
> >>>DSH
>
> >>>"Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:1176921331....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>On Apr 18, 12:43 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
> >>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:1176909291....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>>>From the day she heard the mighty blast of a .357 Magnum
>
> >>>>>I see you still have psycho-sexual issues about huge pistols...
>
> >>>>>--
>
> >>>>I am not surprised to see Little Willie thinking 357/100 [sic] of an inch
> >>>>as being huge.
>
> >> I do stand corrected, but I don't mind if people thought I was trying
> >> to be kind to Little Willie.
>
>
> >Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
> >getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
>
> that I didn't killfile as I kinda like ya!
Renia is still alive, twit. What's for you to like?
D. Spencer Hines
judges in the United States are to tighten up the ENFORCEMENT of gun laws
ALREADY on the books.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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<baldersnip>
jJim McLaughlin
And you know his ow....?
It is very hard - read illegal -- to check.
HIPPA.
>
> You know, a computer run against the records of mental hospitals.
>
Really?
So you know of a single data base ( or even multiple ones) where all
mental
hospital records are available on line o the public?
You're making things up as you go, doinfg a handwaving act, and have no
idea what you are talking
about.
mark_s...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>
> So you know of a single data base ( or even multiple ones) where all
> mental
> hospital records are available on line o the public?
If he was involuntarily committed, that should appear in the NICS
database that gun dealers are supposed to check.
I don't know if Cho was involuntarily committed, and even if he was,
the reporting is not perfect.
TMOliver
"D. Spencer Hines" quoted another....
(SNIPS)
>
> "There was no writing. I wasn't teaching him anything, and he didn't
> want to learn anything," she said. "And I finally realized either I was
> going to lose my class, or Mr. Cho had to leave."
>
(SNIPS)
>
> "You seem so lonely," she told him once. "Do you have any friends?"
>
> "I am lonely," he replied. "I don't have any friends."
>
(SNIPS)
>
> To her, it was as if he were two people.
>
> "He was actually quite arrogant and could be quite obnoxious, and was
> also deeply, it seemed, insecure," she said.
>
> But when she wrote to Cho about his behavior in Giovanni's class, Roy
> received what she described as "a pretty strident response."
>
> "It was a vigorous defense of the self," she said. "He clearly felt
> that he was in the right and that the professor was in the wrong. It was
> the
> kind of tone that I would never have used as an undergraduate at a faculty
> member."
>
(SNIPS)
After reading the professor's comments and the near-empty narratives of the
suitemates, it certainly sounds as if every criteria of a medical diagnosis
of a "deeply depressed paranoid schizophrenic substantially disassociated
from reality" was met and exceeded.
The university kept this guy around, allowed him to re-enroll every semester
and in the face of warning after warning, did nothing to protect itself, its
students or the faculty. Apparently, he didn't even fail courses. One
might bother to ask his parents (since he doesn't seem to have been
employed) why they were willing to fund a student's budget that allowed the
cash purchase of one expensive handgun plus the more modestly priced .22
(and then the extra magazines, source(s) as yet unknown) and the possession
and use of fairly expensive electronic high-tech.
Of course, the two gun store owners, seem to have been not much impressed by
the limited responses he must have provided. That he lied a bit on the
"Yellow Sheets" for the handgun purchases is not surprising.
Just how callous and capable of ignoring what goes on about us our societies
have become, and just how meagerly that we live up to the injunction that we
are "Our Brother's Keeper" are exemplified by this case....not only allowing
a monster to walk among us, but collectively negligent in assuming that
someone else would act to remove him or protect us. Obviously, the ability
to easily purchase a couple of sidearms immeasurably benefited his killing
skills, but this guy would not have hesitated to respond to his perception
of the world with a Scout ax and a cheap serrated knife.
Perhaps, if had been a regular contributor to a few newsgroups, the other
posters could have diverted his anger and frustration to themselves instead
of toward the school, faculty and other students. I've always suspected
that the ngs did become therapeutic to your average schizoid, able to hurl
missiles from behind a dark and solid wall of imagined self-protection.
Maybe nilita can diagnose a few potential monsters here resident, lurking
while their mail order ninja-arsenal is being shipped.
I don't think we have to worry about DSH. I've always viewed him with an
existence (and appearance) not unlike Marlon Brando's role in "Apocalypse
Now"....
TMO
D. Spencer Hines
The Forensic Psychiatrists will have a field day.
William Black
"TMOliver" <tmoliv...@hot.rr.comFIX> wrote in message
news:46279ad8$0$17169$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> Just how callous and capable of ignoring what goes on about us our
> societies have become, and just how meagerly that we live up to the
> injunction that we are "Our Brother's Keeper" are exemplified by this
> case....not only allowing a monster to walk among us, but collectively
> negligent in assuming that someone else would act to remove him or protect
> us. Obviously, the ability to easily purchase a couple of sidearms
> immeasurably benefited his killing skills, but this guy would not have
> hesitated to respond to his perception of the world with a Scout ax and a
> cheap serrated knife.
What do you consider to be a reasonable way ahead.
It has been seriously suggested that arming teachers is one way, although
it would entail considerable expense in both capital expenditure on
equipment and a huge and on-going training budget. Then there is the
problem with people who hold pacifist points of view, Quakers being amongst
them.
Alternatively there is the possibility of making schools and universities in
the USA more secure. I have been assured that this is not possible because
of cost constraints.
Gun control is obviously a non starter. There are over 200 million guns in
the USA and registering them, licensing the holders and collecting what's
left over is obviously not possible...
I should add that a man ran amok with a machete in an infant school in the
UK a few years ago. Nobody died and a teacher, who was both young and
female, got a medal
If he'd had a big knife how many could he kill?
D. Spencer Hines
the Virginia Tech Massacre is starkly revealed as the Abject Wimpiness and
Congenital Blindness of the Academics, "Counselors", Psychologists, Deans
for "Student Affairs", et al.
They were all anesthetized by the "Privacy Laws", including those concerning
Protected Health Information [PHI], pushed by the Aids Lobby -- and a gaggle
of Left-Wing and Right-Wing Loons -- into neutering their analytical and
critical abilities concerning Malignant Loners and the ESSENTIAL NEED to
identify such people and get them committed and/or jailed.
These two short plays that Cho Seung-Hui wrote, _Richard McBeef_ and _Mr.
Brownstone_ should have set off all the proper alarm bells and brought him
to heel.
READ THEM.
Courtesy of Ian MacFarlane -- an astute Scot?
<http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/>
But the academics, "counselors" and administrators were hamstrung and
flaccid in their responses.
So 32 people -- students and faculty at Virginia Tech -- are dead --
brutally murdered.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
Vince
Unfortunately and distressingly the real option is Arson. The happy
Land social club fire, the Dupont plaza and various other nasty multi
death fires did not even involve the intention to commit mass murder.
Vince
Tiglath
> Black obviously has not a clue as to how loathe [sic] "Liberal" legislators and
> judges in the United States are to tighten up the ENFORCEMENT of gun laws
> ALREADY on the books.
>
The Europeans' ignorance on the issue is monumental. They are people
who have been disarmed for centuries. Most of them have never held a
handgun never mind using one. Yet, they are not short of opinions on
a subject they know very little about.
Gun Control advocates in this country know much more about the subject
but they twist and distort the truth for political purposes.
If this Korean asshole had not had access to guns, he could have just
as well set fire to his dormitory building after blocking exits and
stockpiling noxious combustibles. The death toll might have been
even higher. ANYONE who puts as much energy as the Korean asshole
did into mass murder, is likely to succeed despite methodology.
Tiglath
And I was dead on.
Note his references to the hedonism (in which he wasn't invited to
partake) around him.
He tried to get jerking-off material by snapping pictures of female
legs under the desks with his cellphone, and got busted and ridiculed
for it.
A most severe case of Blue Balls, folks.
Brain-flipping Blue. Ouch!
His repulsive personality meant his bed had icicles in summer.
A male Carrie.
He kept seeing handsome men and women having a ball around him and he
could get no satisfaction, went back to his room and fumed.
"We had the chance" (to knock on his door and ask him to join the
orgy of life)
A loser trying to win by losing real big.
He is not alone.
The stupid media is showing people like him that they can too be
famous in only they leave a legacy that is shocking enough. Less
than 32 dead won't do now.
William Black
"Tiglath" <te...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:1177012825.5...@b58g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 19, 10:52 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Black obviously has not a clue as to how loathe [sic] "Liberal"
>> legislators and
>> judges in the United States are to tighten up the ENFORCEMENT of gun laws
>> ALREADY on the books.
>>
>
> The Europeans' ignorance on the issue is monumental. They are people
> who have been disarmed for centuries. Most of them have never held a
> handgun never mind using one. Yet, they are not short of opinions on
> a subject they know very little about.
Now you know better than that Tiggy.
Vince
> On Apr 19, 10:52 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Black obviously has not a clue as to how loathe [sic] "Liberal" legislators and
>> judges in the United States are to tighten up the ENFORCEMENT of gun laws
>> ALREADY on the books.
>>
>
> The Europeans' ignorance on the issue is monumental. They are people
> who have been disarmed for centuries. Most of them have never held a
> handgun never mind using one. Yet, they are not short of opinions on
> a subject they know very little about.
Knowing how to shoot a pistol has almost no bearing on gun control debate
Right wing male commentators freely opine on abortion
> Gun Control advocates in this country know much more about the subject
> but they twist and distort the truth for political purposes.
>
> If this Korean asshole had not had access to guns, he could have just
> as well set fire to his dormitory building after blocking exits and
> stockpiling noxious combustibles. The death toll might have been
> even higher. ANYONE who puts as much energy as the Korean asshole
> did into mass murder, is likely to succeed despite methodology.
yes and no
While arson is a very effective terror tool in the right place e.g. the
WTC, in others it's a waste of time. The real problem is that if the
sociopath wants to look the victims in the eye see the fear and hear
them squeal and cry, a Glock is as good a means as any
Shooting people close up may be the end, not just the means
Vince
Ed Stasiak
>> jJim McLaughlin wrote:
>>
>> It is very hard - read illegal -- to check.
>>
>> HIPPA.
>
> database that gun dealers are supposed to check.
>
> I don't know if Cho was involuntarily committed, and even if he was,
> the reporting is not perfect.
As jJim McLaughlin said; HIPAA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act#The_Privacy_Rule
I read some article that said the killer had checked himself into a mental
health facility for a short while a year or so ago on the suggestion of
Virginia
Tech administration, after he was caught stalking two female students and
as he did this voluntarily, it won't show up during a National Instant Check
System back ground check when buying a firearm.
Had he been involuntarily committed, it would have shown up and he would
have been prevented from buying those two handguns, thou he still could have
probably gotten one on the black market while any of his law abiding victims
who might have had a CCW licenses, would have been sitting ducks due to
the actions of Virginia Tech University and the Virginia state government.
My suggestion to those who have CCW's and are faced with stupid
disarmament regulations like those at VT, is to buy a very small and
easily concealable pocket pistol and carry it regardless of any such
regulations.
Self defense is a human right.
Ed Stasiak
>> Ed Stasiak wrote In the spring of 2005, a Virginia Tech student who had a
>> permit was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, the Roanoke paper
>> reported.
>
> Here's what I would like to know: how did they know he had a gun?
> Was he showing it off? A concealed handgun permit means exactly that:
> it is supposed to be concealed.
Maybe, or maybe he was carrying a larger size handgun and it
"printed", (the outline could be seen thru clothes) someone noticed
and called the cops?
Bigger usually is better when it comes to firearms but IMO when it
comes to a handgun that is to be carried concealed, it's better to have
something small and easily concealable which you can carry no matter
how you're dressed.
My personal choice is a NAA .32 Guardian;
http://www.naaminis.com/index02.html
> Unfortunately, in my experience a large percentage of concealed handgun
> carriers will tell you they have a permit within five minutes of meeting
> them. Those kind of people shouldn't be allowed to carry.
Nothing wrong with mentioning that you have a CCW license, if
it's in the context of a discussion on firearms or the gun issue.
The more people who are aware that their friends, neighbors and
co-workers have CCW's, the easier it is to convince them that it's
a good idea.
Ed Stasiak
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
>>
>> I doubt it would have made a difference, you can't lock someone
>> up for being weird and writing creepy poetry and the cops can't
>> be everywhere all the time to stop some nut job when they snap.
>
> True. But you should be able to stop them buying a gun.
What about guys who dress up in medieval costumes, is that
weird enough to prevent them from buying a firearm?
This is exactly what anti-gunners want, a vague and complicated
raft of regulations whereby unelected government officials can
arbitrarily deny someone their human right to self defense, resulting
in only the rich, political cronies and celebrities having access to
firearms while the common man (who needs them far more) gets
to roll the dice every time they walk out the door.
William Black
>> William Black wrote
>> > Ed Stasiak wrote
>>>
>>> I doubt it would have made a difference, you can't lock someone
>>> up for being weird and writing creepy poetry and the cops can't
>>> be everywhere all the time to stop some nut job when they snap.
>>
>> True. But you should be able to stop them buying a gun.
>
> What about guys who dress up in medieval costumes, is that
> weird enough to prevent them from buying a firearm?
In the UK they're part of the tourist industry and have representatives on
the government's advisory committees.
Ed Stasiak
>> William Black wrote
>>
>> But you should be able to stop them buying a gun..
>
> Yes, you would have to do an extensive search for people who could
> testify against him. Would an investigator know to check a poetry class
> or a drama writing class or the professor?
Are you seriously suggesting that a person's human right to self defense
be denied because they wrote creepy poetry? What's next, checking
their purchases at Amazon.com?
"Here we go! He bought a "Motorhead" CD last month... DENIED!"
Ed Stasiak
> > Tiglath wrote
>>
>> The Europeans' ignorance on the issue is monumental. They are people
>> who have been disarmed for centuries. Most of them have never held a
>> handgun never mind using one. Yet, they are not short of opinions on
>> a subject they know very little about.
>
> Knowing how to shoot a pistol has almost no bearing on gun control debate
> Right wing male commentators freely opine on abortion
Abortion is a subjective issue where either side can make valid arguments
but the anti-gun position is fundamentally indefensible, which is why when
anti-gunners (like religious fundamentalists) are faced with the facts
concerning the issue, they always fall back on hysteria, twisted statistics,
out right lies and finally, attacking the messenger.
When the foundation of your argument is ascribing malice to inanimate
objects, there is nowhere to go but down.
Ed Stasiak
>> TMOliver wrote
>>
>> Just how callous and capable of ignoring what goes on about us our
>> societies have become,
>
How about letting those who went thru the process of getting a CCW
carry a handgun on campus?
Had one student or professor had their handgun on them when the
nut job attacked, the only one dead might have been the nut job.
Cory Bhreckan
What could be better than a bunch of college kids whacked out of their
minds at a frat party? A bunch of college kids whacked out of their
minds ad a frat party *with guns*. "I bet you I can shoot thish bear can
off yer head".
Party on!
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
Tiglath
"Vince" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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> Tiglath wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 10:52 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Black obviously has not a clue as to how loathe [sic] "Liberal"
>>> legislators and
>>> judges in the United States are to tighten up the ENFORCEMENT of gun
>>> laws
>>> ALREADY on the books.
>>>
>>
>> The Europeans' ignorance on the issue is monumental. They are people
>> who have been disarmed for centuries. Most of them have never held a
>> handgun never mind using one. Yet, they are not short of opinions on
>> a subject they know very little about.
>
> Knowing how to shoot a pistol has almost no bearing on gun control debate
>
> Right wing male commentators freely opine on abortion
>
Abortion affects males too. The issue is not only physical.
Tiglath
"Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:rDQVh.16936$Ln5.10089@trndny06...
> clearly paranoid and delusional. This wasn't a bad person, this was a
> broken person, I feel as badly for his parents as I do for the parents of
> those he killed.
Here we go.
The "he had something inside that wasn't him, which made him do it."
It's just a short distance, from declaring the Korean asshole to be a
"victim" himself. Of what, is a question some people have a rather rich
answer to.
Tiglath
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "The Highlander" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:10cd239fjm331t02u...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:21:13 +0300, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Tiglath wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 4:04 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>357/1000 = .357.
>>>>>
>>>>>DSH
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>news:1176921331....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Apr 18, 12:43 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Tiglath" <t...@tiglath.net> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>>news:1176909291....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From the day she heard the mighty blast of a .357 Magnum
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I see you still have psycho-sexual issues about huge pistols...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not surprised to see Little Willie thinking 357/100 [sic] of an
>>>>>>inch
>>>>>>as being huge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do stand corrected, but I don't mind if people thought I was trying
>>>> to be kind to Little Willie.
>>>>
>>>> With 3.57 inches he is in with a chance with a midget ho.
>>>
>>>Is there some sort of internet-wide killfile, because I'm still not
>>>getting DSH's posts. Not that I'm worried. It's very peaceful.
>>
>> And I'm still getting yours because you're the only person from SHM
>> that I didn't killfile as I kinda like ya!
>
> answering hienz posts.
>
We are dismayed...
Tiglath
> Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> William Black wrote
>>>> TMOliver wrote
>>>>
>>>> Just how callous and capable of ignoring what goes on about us our
>>>> societies have become,
>>> What do you consider to be a reasonable way ahead.
>>
>> How about letting those who went thru the process of getting a CCW
>> carry a handgun on campus?
>>
>> Had one student or professor had their handgun on them when the
>> nut job attacked, the only one dead might have been the nut job.
>
> What could be better than a bunch of college kids whacked out of their
> minds at a frat party? A bunch of college kids whacked out of their minds
> ad a frat party *with guns*. "I bet you I can shoot thish bear can off yer
> head".
>
> Party on!
Your second stupid post today.
It is ILLEGAL to be drunk while carrying the weapon you have a permit to
carry.
I have not been to any party in which people enjoyed having someone drunk
waving a gun around. Few will cover for the asshole, and he will lose his
CCW permit in no time.
What you anti-gunners keep saying about the people who had the (1) respect
for the law to go through all the paperwork to obtain a CCW permit, and; (2)
the decency to attend a safety training course to know how to handle the
carry weapon properly, just doesn't correspond to reality. The street
battles and rage shooting you guys predicted never happened. In fact VERY
few people have lost their CCW due to any infraction, never mind unwarranted
shootings.
The data is AGAINST you, and your "scenarios" with "kids whacked out of
their minds and with guns" are nowhere to be found. The same "kids," if
people over 21 can still be called "kids," need not have their parties on
campus. They can get their guns and their hooch and give a party anywhere,
and that isn't happening either in any significant way.
Don't like guns? Don't get one.
Vince
responsibility for the social carnage caused by the easy availability of
firearms. We are all at risk because of their insane delusion that
filling the county with guns makes people safer. Gun nuts don't have
the balls to accept responsibility for the overall destruction they
cause. the deaths are aways somebody else's fault. But they are not.
They are all the product of the gun nut culture. We all suffer so they
can act out their fantasies.
Vince
Vince
actually the first thing you have to do is shoot the first person you
see with a gun
so all the gun nuts start shooting at anyone else with a gun
right
Vince
Vince
That was my point.
Vince
Vince
I am perfectly happy to believe he is a criminal sociopath, however I
also feel some sympathy for his parents.
Vince
Vince
nonsense.
Guns are tools
So are poisons
but in many cases we regulate tools because its easier than controlling
human behavior.
Vince
The Highlander
wrote:
What a really stupid thing to post!
>
>Self defense is a human right.
>
In your case your human rights should be revoked. The world can live
with one less American asshole counselling others to break the law.
The Highlander
wrote:
>> William Black wrote
Are you kidding? With your friendly fire record, the campus would be a
silent tomb tonight.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
We are more likely to be hit by lightning than by any one of 50,000,000+
terrified paranoid ****wits with weapons they don't have the mental maturity
to be carrying in the first place.
Self defense against lightning strikes is a Scottish right that we take very
seriously.
By the way - you do realise that *another* 35 teenagers have just been shot
dead don't you.
They just weren't all in the same place this time. Therefore it's not such
a good photo-opportunity for the politicos to spout their meaningless
ritualised platitudes to the victims families and their urgent reassurances
to their campaign-funding gun manufacturers.
Thank God I wasn't born an American - what totally ******-up cowards that
you haven't got the guts to deal with what is basically just a public health
issue.
What a pathetic country.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
These idiots are simply beyond belief eh?
I can just see the locker rooms littered with corpses now.
Next thing the gun nuts will be claiming that Korean psycho was merely a
hapless victim in all this.
Hertz_Donut
It won't be the "gun nuts"...it will be the liberals...they are the ones who
glorify tragedies like this....
Honu
Vince
right
just like Jews "glorify' the holocaust
sheesh
Vince
Tiglath
Spoken like the Liberal Numero Uno.
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Gans, who strongly supported Alger Hiss, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg --
all Soviet Spies -- in the 1940's and 1950's...
And was STRONGLY against the BLACKLISTING and the RED SCARE of that same
period in American History, which DESTROYED so MANY LIVES...
BUT...
NOW he is ALL for Blacklisting -- and WELCOMES BLACKLISTING.
Beautiful!
Pogue Gans The Situational Waffler.
How Sweet It Is!
Victoria, It Just Doesn't Get Any Better Than This.
Pogue Gans abandons all PRINCIPLES when it comes to EXPEDIENCY -- and
REVENGE.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
Sholem Aleichem
Allahu Akbar
Peter Jason
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@hotmail.com>
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You're in fine voice today, m'dear.
Andrew Chaplin
> Black obviously has not a clue as to how loathe [....]
<Low-intensity speeling fleame>
The verb is "loathe"; the predicate is "loath."
</Low-intensity speeling fleame>
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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>
Tiglath
Incredible. You have the heart of the argument but you are unable to deduce
logically from it.
Right in front of your eyes, if you look, you have the "great" successes at
controlling human behavior through the regulation of the alcohol poison and
the drug poison. Yet you seem to believe that human behavior can be
successfully controlled by regulating the gun tool, when the three
situations are the same at bottom.
Much as shootings like the VT spree are earth shaking, they are RARE. It is
rare that a so-far law-abiding citizen flips and goes very bad. When those
occurrences become like bombings in Iraq, you'll have a point, not before.
If you count the misses you should also count the hits, the vast millions
who own guns an never cause any problems.
Most gun violence is a result of drug prohibition. That is, people who
don't give a hoot about your precious regulations.
Tiglath
THAT from a national from a country so disarmed and bludgeoned that people
couldn't even achieve independence given a thousand years.
And this goober is talking about THE country that in armed rebellion
achieved independence from the SAME people whose foot is on the Highland's
Neck.
Perhaps if you and your fellow countrymen had had a wee bit more of a "gun
culture" and a commensurate amount of balls, you would be a bit more than a
glorified English province.
Hilarious.
Forbidden Fruit!
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4628...@quokka.wn.com.au...
>> "The Highlander" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:ne1g23htkvotpsqv0...@4ax.com...
>
> It won't be the "gun nuts"...it will be the liberals...they are the ones who
> glorify tragedies like this....
>
> Honu
>
>
>
Forbidden Fruit! for thought thus spake:
Tragedies like this are created by the Zionist-Neo-Cons
in Iraq as an everyday affair, and you don't give a shit.
The entire Mid-East is suffering from unbelievable massacres,
caused by Israel and you APAIC Zionist-Neo-con Right-Wingers.
But, "Arab Suicide Bombers" never forget, and never give up...
Sleep well...
-- FORBIDDEN --
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There are none more ignorant, and useless, than those who
seek answers while on their knees, with their eyes closed!
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Hertz_Donut
"Forbidden Fruit!" <SWE...@knowledge.Tr.ee> wrote in message
news:k5GdnWSIDO1oqLXb...@comcast.com...
> Hertz_Donut wrote:
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4628...@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>> "The Highlander" <mic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:ne1g23htkvotpsqv0...@4ax.com...
> [.........]
>>
>> It won't be the "gun nuts"...it will be the liberals...they are the ones
>> who glorify tragedies like this....
>>
>> Honu
>>
>>
>>
>
> Forbidden Fruit! for thought thus spake:
>
>
> Tragedies like this are created by the Zionist-Neo-Cons
> in Iraq as an everyday affair, and you don't give a shit.
>
> The entire Mid-East is suffering from unbelievable massacres,
> caused by Israel and you APAIC Zionist-Neo-con Right-Wingers.
>
>
> But, "Arab Suicide Bombers" never forget, and never give up...
>
> Sleep well...
Just when you think that there can't be a new level if ignorance and
stupidity on the Usenet...along comes the idiot that calls himself
"Forbidden Fruit".
I think it should call itself
"Fruitcake".
Honu