Realism Writ Large In Iraq -- The Real McCoy
D. Spencer Hines
They had read a Great Deal of History and saw the vital importance of a
peaceful, non-terrorist-exporting, democratic Iraq to American and British
national interests in the region.
DSH
"ron grainger" <rong...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Anyone who has read a biography of Gertrude Bell or indeed any other
> reasonably serious account of the British involvement in Mesopotamia post
> WWII would have realised how fragile a nation was tenuously cobbled
> together from disparate groups.
> It beggars belief that that experience did not shape the manner in which
> the USA (and more especially the UK) decided to get involved in
> reinventing Iraq.
> Obviously no one of inluence [sic] in either government had read much
> history.
>
> Ron
Paul J Gans
>To The Contrary...
>They had read a Great Deal of History and saw the vital importance of a
>peaceful, non-terrorist-exporting, democratic Iraq to American and British
>national interests in the region.
Sure. But didn't have the sense to understand that invading
them would not do that.
You will recall belittling me when I pointed that out
*before* the invasion.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
D. Spencer Hines
I'm not "belittling" Gans. He does that quite adequately all by himself.
I'm calling him Dead Wrong -- and a confirmed Left-Wing, Knee-Jerk Bush
Hater -- bred in the bone....
An entirely different matter to be sure.
Iraq is by no means a failure -- yet -- but it will be, if Cut-And-Run,
Bush-Hating Democrats such as Gans, who teaches Chemistry at New York
University, have their way.
It worked for them in Vietnam and they feel confident it will work for them
in Iraq too.
How Sweet It Is!
Watching Their Fulminations...
See Below For Laughs...
DSH
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D. Spencer Hines
They had read a Great Deal of History and saw the vital importance of a
peaceful, non-terrorist-exporting, democratic Iraq to American and British
national interests in the region.
DSH
Lawson English
> To The Contrary...
>
> They had read a Great Deal of History and saw the vital importance of a
> peaceful, non-terrorist-exporting, democratic Iraq to American and British
> national interests in the region.
>
And then proceeded to implement the Grand Design in such a piss-poor
fashion...
a.spencer3
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hilarious!
>
> I'm not "belittling" Gans. He does that quite adequately all by himself.
>
> I'm calling him Dead Wrong -- and a confirmed Left-Wing, Knee-Jerk Bush
> Hater -- bred in the bone....
>
> An entirely different matter to be sure.
>
> Iraq is by no means a failure -- yet -- but it will be, if Cut-And-Run,
> Bush-Hating Democrats such as Gans, who teaches Chemistry at New York
> University, have their way.
>
> It worked for them in Vietnam and they feel confident it will work for
them
> in Iraq too.
>
>
talking about cutting and running - using different terminology, of course -
as many of us said he would - we even wrote his speech for him a couple of
years ago - I still reckon it will be near word-perfect.
Twit.
Virginia was enjoyed!
Surreyman
Kope
Paul J Gans
>Twit.
>Virginia was enjoyed!
The problem with DSH is not that he knows better and won't
admit it. The problem is that he is stupid enough to really
think that we are winning in Iraq.
There never was any chance at all of attaining most of the
announced "goals" in Iraq. If you can't make democracy work
in Lebanon, you can't make it work in Iraq. If you can't get
Hamas and the PLO to settle their differences you can't get
the Iraqi Shi'a and Iraqi Sunni to settle theirs.
And worst of all, if you can't catch bin Laden, you can't
prove to anybody that you are serious about terrorism.
---- Paul J. Gans
D. Spencer Hines
Communist spies, is still filling young skulls full of mush at NYU, long a
bastion of funky Extreme Left-Wing views ---- in Greenwich Village.
He's also an Appeaser and a Cut-And-Runner.
How Sweet It Is!
We ALWAYS have Gans to kick around -- he's dependable in that respect.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Paul J Gans
>Gans, the erstwhile apologist for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and other
>Communist spies, is still filling young skulls full of mush at NYU, long a
>bastion of funky Extreme Left-Wing views ---- in Greenwich Village.
>He's also an Appeaser and a Cut-And-Runner.
>How Sweet It Is!
>We ALWAYS have Gans to kick around -- he's dependable in that respect.
Once again you refuse to even quote from the posting of
mine that seems to have gotten you into an uproar.
Considering tht you reposts scads of other material most
all the time, I'd guess that whatever it was that I posted
really got to you.
Was it Iraq?
It's gone David. It's gone. Your team blew it. Blame
them.
D. Spencer Hines
I'm not "belittling" Gans. He does that quite adequately all by himself.
I'm calling him Dead Wrong -- and a confirmed Left-Wing, Knee-Jerk Bush
Hater -- bred in the bone....
An entirely different matter to be sure.
Iraq is by no means a failure -- yet -- but it will be, if Cut-And-Run,
Bush-Hating Democrats such as Gans, who teaches Chemistry at New York
University, have their way.
It worked for them in Vietnam and they feel confident it will work for them
in Iraq too.
How Sweet It Is!
Watching Their Fulminations...
Gans, the erstwhile apologist for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and other
Communist spies, is still filling young skulls full of mush at NYU, long a
bastion of funky Extreme Left-Wing views ---- in Greenwich Village.
He's also an Appeaser and a Cut-And-Runner....
As Well As A Defeatist.
How Sweet It Is!
We ALWAYS have Gans to kick around -- he's dependable in that respect.
Just like Al Capp's KIGMY.
Vanessa, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
Glenallan
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a.spencer3
> Gans, the erstwhile apologist for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and other
> Communist spies, is still filling young skulls full of mush at NYU, long a
> bastion of funky Extreme Left-Wing views ---- in Greenwich Village.
>
> He's also an Appeaser and a Cut-And-Runner.
>
So is Bush, now.
Paul J Gans
>So is Bush, now.
>Twit.
>Virginia was enjoyed!
Realism notes that we've (that's the Brits and the US) have
already lost in Iraq. The civil war has been going on for
about a year, ethnic cleansing is in full swing, about half
a million Iraqis (mostly those with money and/or education)
have already left the country.
Idiots in Washington (and no doubt in London as well) point
out that there are problems in only four provinces in Iraq.
The others are "quiet".
Well, of course that's true. The others are basically
unpopulated (except for the Kurdish regions) and unireligional.
And the four problem provinces contain 70% of the population.
It is all over and has been for some months. Broken eggs
on the floor. The only remaining question is: how do we
let go of the tiger.
And as you note, that's the question pervading Washington
and London. Translated it means "how do we cut and run
without admitting that we are cutting and running."
None of this is blame on our (and your) troops. They have
been superb in all of this. The blame, and there is blame,
goes to their masters who put them into this situation and
then wasted so many of them.
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Gans has been reading too much Frank Rich in The New York Times --
Gans's Bible & Torah combined. It has rotted what's left of his grey
matter.
Of course the Torah is also in the Bible.
Gans is not only an Appeaser and a Cut & Runner, as noted below -- but he's
also a Defeatist.
Pogues like Gans would have thrown in the towel after the Battles of Tarawa
and Anzio in World War II -- if not far sooner. They would also have thrown
in the towel after the Battle of The Somme in World War I -- only half way
through -- in 1916.
Fortunately, a Real Democrat, FDR, who would have Total Contempt for
defeatist Democrat pogues such as Gans and Rich, was made of far stronger
and sterner stuff.
So Were The American People.
DSH
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.history.british a.spencer3 <a.spe...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Gans, the erstwhile apologist for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and other
>>> Communist spies, is still filling young skulls full of mush at NYU, long
>>> a bastion of funky Extreme Left-Wing views ---- in Greenwich Village.
>>>
>>> He's also an Appeaser and a Cut-And-Runner.
> Realism notes that we've (that's the Brits and the US) have
> already lost in Iraq.... [Pogue Gans]
a.spencer3
> Hilarious!
>
> Pogue Gans has been reading too much Frank Rich in The New York Times --
> Gans's Bible & Torah combined. It has rotted what's left of his grey
> matter.
>
> Of course the Torah is also in the Bible.
>
> Gans is not only an Appeaser and a Cut & Runner, as noted below -- but
he's
> also a Defeatist.
>
>
to depart. Or, of course the conditions that would provide that date (and,
then, your estimate).
Or is Hawaii still not in the Tropics?
Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
War on Terror, the War on Islamofascism, just like the Cold War --is going
to last a LONG time ---- Generations.
The Cold War lasted from 1947 until 1991 -- by one reckoning.
By a different reckoning, the Cold War started in 1917 and continued until
1933 or so [when the United States established diplomatic relations with the
Soviet Union] -- then we had a _modus vivendi_, but only with the Soviets,
which evolved into an Alliance with the Soviet Union until 1945 -- but
things started to deteriorate immediately after that, with the Soviet
Occupation of Eastern Europe and the Faceoff in Berlin.
The Korean War STILL isn't over and we have now had American troops there
ever since 1945 -- 61 years now -- with no sign they are leaving anytime
soon. We are also still working to bring about a regime change in
Pyongyang.
Further, we still have troops in Japan and Germany.
As I have often pointed out before, Gans and his fellow Cut & Runners simply
have NO Sense of History.
Gans, after all, is a mere CHEMIST. He has NO Military, Naval, Diplomatic
or Intelligence Experience.
As I pointed out previously, with respect to that other pogue, "Séimí mac
Liam", the same thing is true of Pogue Gans. You would have a more
intelligent audience trying to discuss these weighty matters with a
chimpanzee than you ever would with Gans.
When you are Top Nation, as the United States is today, you have
RESPONSIBILITIES -- RESPONSIBILITIES which Pogue Gans and his fellow Cut &
Runners are simply unwilling to accept and shoulder. So they wimp out and
wuss out.
No Surprises There....
Par For The Course.
I've pointed all this out about Gans and his ilk for almost ten years now.
They simply don't get either any smarter, any more articulate -- or any more
responsible -- nor do they develop a Sense of History.
Paul J Gans
There is practically nobody left in the Administration (or
the Republican party, for that matter) who thinks we are
winning in Iraq.
The incoming new Secretary of Defense does not think we are
winning. The recent Iraq study report, headed by James
Baker who was in the Cabinet during Gulf War I also makes
it very clear that we are not winnng in Iraq. Even John
McCain does not think we are presently winning in Iraq.
Hines won't address those issues. He prefers simply to
call names. It is a symptom of his mental state.
>Or is Hawaii still not in the Tropics?
That's an interesting issue. Is it possible that "Hines"
is a pseudonym? Certainly no *real* person would use
such a name. And if I wanted anonymity I'd think up
a plausible name such as "D. Spencer Hines" or "J. Arthur
Rank" or even "Paul J. Gans".
As William Black often said, on the internet nobody knows
or cares who you are.
Thus it is quite likey that "Hines" doesn't live anywhere
near Hawaii and has no idea where it actually is.
D. Spencer Hines
Gans continues to slip into his dotage -- always funky, farblondjet and
fulminating fantasies.
One of the most delightful things about USENET is that we ALWAYS have Pogue
Gans to kick around.
He's FAR better than Al Capp's KIGMY -- although shaped about the same.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> That's an interesting issue. Is it possible that "Hines"
> is a pseudonym? Certainly no *real* person would use
> such a name. And if I wanted anonymity I'd think up
> a plausible name such as "D. Spencer Hines" or "J. Arthur
> Rank" or even "Paul J. Gans".
>
> As William Black often said, on the internet nobody knows
> or cares who you are.
Certainly Not True.
> Thus it is quite likey [sic] that "Hines" doesn't live anywhere
a.spencer3
The sadness is that he does live there, and still doesn't know where it is.
Surreyman
Paul J Gans
>"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>> As William Black often said, on the internet nobody knows
>> or cares who you are.
>Certainly Not True.
Ok. You've got me there, dead to rights. YOU care.
Afraid that an adult might be secretly reading your stuff?
D. Spencer Hines
whenever he has been caught by the short hairs in an Egregious Gaffe.
'Nuff Said.
DSH
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Paul J Gans
>Pogue Gans consistently retreats to this sort of childish, puerile invention
>whenever he has been caught by the short hairs in an Egregious Gaffe.
>'Nuff Said.
Oh? Your postings are infantile, what opinions you are
willing to venture are puerile, and your understanding of
the world on a third grade level.
You specialize in false accusations, delight in name-calling,
and pretense is a major part of your persona.
All childish behaviors.
In my non-specialist opinion, you are clearly a case of
arrested development and it would not surprise me in
the slightest to learn that you are under adult supervision.
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Gans continues to build on his anserine, cuniculan-pygan fantasies --
a snarling, defeatist, cut & run "Liberal" to the last breath.
Jerry Nadler is his Congressman and Gans happily votes for him.
That's really all you need to know about Pogue Gans to have him accurately
catalogued.
To a knee-jerk "Liberal", such as Gans, all folks who are not fatuous
"Liberals" are suffering from "arrested development" and lack of "Liberal"
Enlightenment.
Yes, they really are that arrogant.
Gans has no psychiatric credentials either -- in concert with his lack of
qualifications in History, Diplomacy, National Security, Military, Naval and
Intelligence Matters.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.history.british D. Spencer Hines <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Pogue Gans consistently retreats to this sort of childish, puerile
>>invention whenever he has been caught by the short hairs in
>>an Egregious Gaffe.
>
>>'Nuff Said.
[...]
Renia
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Hilarious!
>
> Pogue Gans continues
D. Spencer Hines
Horrors!
It must be the Diabolical Work of an Unreconstructed, Slope-Browed
Conservative who suffers from "Arrested Development" and who is situated at
the center of Cyberspace, pushing all the buttons -- an Evil Genius. <g>
Saves you lots of time I'm sure.
DSH
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D. Spencer Hines
He's royally outgunned and outclassed as to intellect and knowledge of the
facts.
Further, he has NO Sense of History.
He can't make Substantive Posts -- so he retreats to puerilism -- just like
his Tweedledee twin Pogue Surreyman.
That's why Gans has gone as silent on these issues as a Muslim mouse who is
living in a synagogue, during a Bar Mitzvah.
How Sweet It Is!
DSH
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No Surprises There....
Par For The Course.
DSH
Paul J Gans
reproducing whole columns from the editorial pages of the
Wall Street Journal, is not able to quote my short posting
in its entirety..
Does your mother know that you use her computer?
>DSH
>Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>[...]
Paul J Gans
>Horrors!
>DSH
You might have explained to Renia that I am posting only
to soc.history.british and YOU are crossposting your
responses to a whole bunch of inappropriate newsgroups
most of which I never read.
Childish of you not to explain. But then, that's what
would be expected.
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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[...]
D. Spencer Hines
again -- and Fantasizing.
Fatuous in the extreme is he.
There is NO such newsgroup to which he is posting.
He is posting to AHB.
DSH
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> I am posting only to soc.history.british...
Paul J Gans
>DSH
Oh, I'm wounded. I'm rolling around in agony. I'm moaning
and groaning. Darkness is descenting. I'm done for!
Idiot.
The Highlander
wrote:
That's the most sensible appreciation of the reality that I've read by
any American poster so far.
Unlike the desk-bound Hines and other US military strategists, Britain
had many former Iraq veterans following the attempts to cobble
together the remains of the Ottoman Empire to create some sort of
tribal peace. My great-uncle was one of them; a more murderous man has
rarely stalked this earth. His standard technique for pacification was
to select a likely-looking troublemaker from any village they entered
and have him shot against the nearest wall. "It cut down on pilfering"
he remarked.
It is noteworthy that the British general in command at that time had
exactly the same problems with the same cities; especially Falluja.
In fact he wrote to the War Office, asking if there was any poison gas
left over from WWI, as he saw that as the only hope for pacifying
Falluja. The War Office declined to participate in genocide and the
request was refused.
Those who don't read history, etc...
The Highlander
Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil.
The views expressed in this post are
not necessarily those of The Highlander.