Re: Who is Obamacare really helping? The ABA and any bidniz that takes the Chicago offer it can't refuse
CB
<hal> wrote in message news:4b1be9d1...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:02:40 -0500, ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><f1fc4a02-1fc2-4676...@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Straightarrow <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 6, 8:46 am, "vict0r" <l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
>>> > "It's a bonanza," said Robert Laszewski, a health insurance executive
>>> > for 20
>>> > years who now tracks reform legislation as president of the consulting
>>> > firm
>>> > Health Policy and Strategy Associates Inc.
>>> >
>>> > Some insurance company leaders continue to profess concern about the
>>> > unpredictable course of President Obama's massive healthcare
>>> > initiative, and
>>> > they vigorously oppose elements of his agenda. But Laszewski said the
>>> > industry's reaction to early negotiations boiled down to a single
>>> > word:
>>> > "Hallelujah!"
>>> >
>>> > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/healthcare/la-na-healt...
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>>
>>> In a word: Unions
>>
>>In another word: Disaster.
>>
> You people suck. Obama and the Democrats wanted honest health care
> reform to benefit regular people who do not have adequate insurance or
> who have been screwed by their insurance company. It's the insurance
> industry, with the help of billions in lobbying efforts, and with the
> help of moron social conservatives like you people who are still
> looking for commies under your bed, that destroyed genuine health care
> reform. You people are too stupid to even understand what the right
> thing to do is.
The Right thing to do is to allow real competition across state lines but
Dims won't allow it because of the real potential of premiums coming down.
Dims want control over healthcare, that way they can control what we eat,
what farmers grow, where they grow it, manufacture of devices and drugs .
If our government really wanted to help us it would pass tort reform. But
then Dims largest political contributions are from trial attorneys who
profit in GREAT part from suing hospitals, doctors and nurses.
My wife is a nurse and she pays into a pool for protection against people
like the Breck Girl. How the SEIU would lover for her to pay them the money
instead of into malpractice insurance.
MSG is the leading cause of obesity in America and the only ingredient that
doesn't have to be defined or declared as an ingredient in prepared foods.
Manufactures of prepared foods hide MSG in, "other ingredients" and
"artificial flavor".
Healthcare is an individual responsibility, not a government one. America's
government is an obese monster gorging on the tax payer.
It's time for real reform, reducing the role of government in our lives,
becoming responsible for our selves and demanding MSG be labeled in prepared
foods.
--
CB
What ever feel good Libs touch it's corrupted...
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7923/090819broke.jpg
>
>>--
>>Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on itself.
>
Siobhan Medeiros
> <hal> wrote in messagenews:4b1be9d1...@news.newsguy.com...
> > On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:02:40 -0500, ray <xxxray...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>In article
> >><f1fc4a02-1fc2-4676-850e-bfcdafc0a...@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
No, because they'd just migrate to the states with the lowest
standards. Or simply collude again.
> Dims want control over healthcare, that way they can control what we eat,
> what farmers grow, where they grow it, manufacture of devices and drugs .
Suuuuuurrrrreeeee...make sure your hat has enough tinfoil.
>
> If our government really wanted to help us it would pass tort reform. But
> then Dims largest political contributions are from trial attorneys who
> profit in GREAT part from suing hospitals, doctors and nurses.
Tort reform is part of the bill. But you're kidding yourself if you
think that's the real problem.
>
> My wife is a nurse and she pays into a pool for protection against people
> like the Breck Girl. How the SEIU would lover for her to pay them the money
> instead of into malpractice insurance.
>
Like who?
> MSG is the leading cause of obesity in America and the only ingredient that
> doesn't have to be defined or declared as an ingredient in prepared foods.
> Manufactures of prepared foods hide MSG in, "other ingredients" and
> "artificial flavor".
>
So, all of a sudden, YOU want to control what we eat? Hypocrite.
> Healthcare is an individual responsibility, not a government one. America's
> government is an obese monster gorging on the tax payer.
Funny how you didn't complain when it was Bush spending like a drunken
sailor.
>
> It's time for real reform, reducing the role of government in our lives,
> becoming responsible for our selves and demanding MSG be labeled in prepared
> foods.
In other words,you want the Big Bad Guv'mint to step in.
> --
Michael Coburn
LIE!
This is a states rights issue. Any insurance company that wants to sell
insurance in any state can do so at present by conforming to the laws of
that state. But lies are the bread and butter of the rightarded.
> Dims want control over healthcare, that way they can control what
> we eat, what farmers grow, where they grow it, manufacture of devices
> and drugs .
Boogerman!! Boogerman!! Boogerman!! The Marians are coming. Martha,
hide the kids.
> If our government really wanted to help us it would pass tort reform.
Most rational studies of this indicate minimal savings from it. These
suits are the ONLY thing that prevent corporations from denying claims
for legitimate services.
> But then Dims largest political contributions are from trial attorneys
> who profit in GREAT part from suing hospitals, doctors and nurses.
The Republicans largest contributors are the very people who would be
sued for being incompetent assholes and rip off artists.
> My wife is a nurse and she pays into a pool for protection against
> people like the Breck Girl. How the SEIU would lover for her to pay them
> the money instead of into malpractice insurance.
We are not really interested in your personal garbage.
> MSG is the leading cause of obesity in America
And frogs cause warts. And if you mess with that screw in yer belly
button yer ass will fall off.
http://www.obesitydiscussion.com/forums/diet-studies/soft-drink-
consumption-leading-cause-2321.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/h/high_fructose_corn_syrup.htm
> and the only ingredient
> that doesn't have to be defined or declared as an ingredient in prepared
> foods. Manufactures of prepared foods hide MSG in, "other ingredients"
> and "artificial flavor".
But what the hell. You're a Republican. You are ignorant and a lair.
> Healthcare is an individual responsibility, not a government one.
> America's government is an obese monster gorging on the tax payer.
You idiots will never allow the costs savings inherent in larger
insurance pools due to your inborn terror of representative government.
You are well aware of how lies and propaganda can make people do things
that are not in their best interests because that is what the Republican
party does as a mainstay of its existence. And this is what makes you so
deathly afraid of representative government. You work to fulfill your
prophesy at all times.
> It's time for real reform, reducing the role of government in our lives,
> becoming responsible for our selves and demanding MSG be labeled in
> prepared foods.
OH YES!!!!! The Republican way. Lat us take any "nit" we can find and
use it to distract from real issues. Let us prevent any "change"
whatsoever so that we can defeat Obama. The nation may burn to the
ground and all the babies can be boiled in oil so long as Obama is
defeated.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
ray
Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
And that law can be overruled by a federal law under commerce that says
no insurance company can be denied offering coverage to people of a
particular state. If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
non-compliance.
Clave
news:hfhra...@news2.newsguy.com...
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> ...If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
> doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
> non-compliance.
Didn't Bush threaten public schools with loss of federal funding as part of
NCLB?
<...looks...>
Why, yes he did.
Jim
ray
"Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> "ray" <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <...>
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> > ...If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
> > doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
> > non-compliance.
>
> Didn't Bush threaten public schools with loss of federal funding as part of
> NCLB?
Not that I'm aware of--no. But the Republicans did use it once to
threaten states who used the new definition of eminent domain that
allowed them to kick people out of their homes and businesses so the
city could erect new homes and businesses that netted them larger taxes.
Clave
> In article <hfhrla$3ht$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>> "ray" <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:hfhra...@news2.newsguy.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > ...If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
>> > doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
>> > non-compliance.
>>
>> Didn't Bush threaten public schools with loss of federal funding as part
>> of
>> NCLB?
>
> Not that I'm aware of--no.
Bush didn't propose and sign NCLB?
Jim
Straightarrow
> "ray" <xxxray...@aol.com> wrote in message
Proof? Vast rightwing conspiracy or speculation ??
ray
"Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> "ray" <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:hfhsn...@news2.newsguy.com...
> > In article <hfhrla$3ht$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "ray" <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:hfhra...@news2.newsguy.com...
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >> > ...If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
> >> > doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
> >> > non-compliance.
> >>
> >> Didn't Bush threaten public schools with loss of federal funding as part
> >> of
> >> NCLB?
> >
> > Not that I'm aware of--no.
>
> Bush didn't propose and sign NCLB?
That's not what you asked.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
"CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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Clave
Loss of federal funding for non-compliance wasn't part of the bill?
Jim
Siobhan Medeiros
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:08:01 -0500, CB wrote:
> >> On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:02:40 -0500, ray <xxxray...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>In article
> >>><f1fc4a02-1fc2-4676-850e-bfcdafc0a...@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Gee...so in other words, if the rightards really want to reduce the
number of lawsuits, they should pass this bill.
Siobhan Medeiros
> In article <hfhrla$3h...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> > "ray" <xxxray...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:hfhra...@news2.newsguy.com...
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> > <...>
>
> > > ...If that doesn't work, do what Democrats are known for
> > > doing; threaten the states with withdrawal of highway funds for
> > > non-compliance.
>
> > Didn't Bush threaten public schools with loss of federal funding as part of
> > NCLB?
>
> Not that I'm aware of--no. But the Republicans did use it once to
> threaten states who used the new definition of eminent domain that
> allowed them to kick people out of their homes and businesses so the
> city could erect new homes and businesses that netted them larger taxes.
Really? When was that? Show me, please, because I remember the
Republicans being all in favor of cities being able to use eminent
domain in the interests of "economic benefit".
ray
Doppler China Blue Shift <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not that I'm aware of--no.
> > >
> > > Bush didn't propose and sign NCLB?
> >
> > That's not what you asked.
>
> That splatter is your brain on the ceiling.
That spatter is socialists taking over this country.