Cancer - the forbidden cures

[carole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=gWLrfNJICeM

This is the full length version - there is also a trailer

How allopathic medicine took over medicine, by taking over medical
schools with big donations and putting their people on the school
boards.

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[carole]

19.00
How big pharma gained control of medicine
1. The pharmaceutical industry first gained control of the teaching
system
2. Then it gave the AMA the power to exclude all other doctors from
practising
3. Then it took over the whole of the drug testing process
4. While heavily influencing medical publications that review those
drugs, and finally
5.Big pharma extended its control over the federal entity that is
supposed to verify those drugs' safety and efficacy


carole
www.conspiracee.com

[carole]

On Mar 16, 8:43 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Looks like the allopaths don't want to touch this topic, so pretend it
doesn't exist.

They are convinced that evidence-based medicine is the solution, the
whole solution and nothing but the solution, whereas in fact evidence-
based medicine or EBM as it is often referred to for brevity, is
merely a cover-all to block out anything that isn't pharmaceutical-
based.

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[Bob Officer]

Carole you are a waste of time. This subject was debunk about every
six months or every time you brought it up.

You still haven't explained away the Rockefeller used homeopathic
doctors. From the last discussion.

Funny how you keep returning to vomit up the same debunked myths and
stories time after time.


--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcuim deficient idiot" was, and now I know

"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard
Message-ID: <5Mfbp.11718$gM3....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

[carole]

On Mar 18, 1:42 pm, Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:19:00 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >On Mar 16, 8:43 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=gWLrfNJICeM
>
> >> This is the full length version - there is also a trailer
>
> >> How allopathic medicine took over medicine, by taking over medical
> >> schools with big donations and putting their people on the school
> >> boards.
>
> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com
>
> >Looks like the allopaths don't want to touch this topic, so pretend it
> >doesn't exist.
>
> >They are convinced that evidence-based medicine is the solution, the
> >whole solution and nothing but the solution, whereas in fact evidence-
> >based medicine or EBM as it is often referred to for brevity, is
> >merely a cover-all to block out anything that isn't pharmaceutical-
> >based.
>
> Carole you are a waste of time. This subject was debunk about every
> six months or every time you brought it up.
>
> You still haven't explained away the Rockefeller used homeopathic
> doctors. From the last discussion.

I never saw anybody mention it.
You mean Rockfeller used homeopathic medicine? Are you joking? Yet he
flogged allopathic drugs?
So on the one hand he sold drugs and tried to put alternative medicine
out of business, but didn't trust his own health to his drugs.

Don't you see the irony?
So what he's saying is "buy my drugs and make me rich, but don't
expect me to take that crap".

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[Bob Officer]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>On Mar 18, 1:42 pm, Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:19:00 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>>
>> carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >On Mar 16, 8:43 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=gWLrfNJICeM
>>
>> >> This is the full length version - there is also a trailer
>>
>> >> How allopathic medicine took over medicine, by taking over medical
>> >> schools with big donations and putting their people on the school
>> >> boards.
>>
>> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com
>>
>> >Looks like the allopaths don't want to touch this topic, so pretend it
>> >doesn't exist.
>>
>> >They are convinced that evidence-based medicine is the solution, the
>> >whole solution and nothing but the solution, whereas in fact evidence-
>> >based medicine or EBM as it is often referred to for brevity, is
>> >merely a cover-all to block out anything that isn't pharmaceutical-
>> >based.
>>
>> Carole you are a waste of time. This subject was debunk about every
>> six months or every time you brought it up.
>>
>> You still haven't explained away the Rockefeller used homeopathic
>> doctors. From the last discussion.
>
>I never saw anybody mention it.

But then you often don't remember what was written yesterday or last
week.

>You mean Rockfeller used homeopathic medicine? Are you joking? Yet he
>flogged allopathic drugs?

Yes, he used homeopathic doctors.

>So on the one hand he sold drugs and tried to put alternative medicine
>out of business, but didn't trust his own health to his drugs.

Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
alternative medicine out of business.

Do try to think, I know it is a difficult skill to learn.

>Don't you see the irony?

No, but I see how willfully ignorant you are.

>So what he's saying is "buy my drugs and make me rich, but don't
>expect me to take that crap".

Who told you rockefeller had anything to do with Drugs? Maybe you
need to vet your sources of information a lot better. People have
been telling you this all along but you keep calling people names and
doing nothing more than Proving to the world you are an idiot ... by
your own words.

I would suggest you stop believing in post hoc fallacies to start.

The ignore web sites like Rense, Whale.to and your own ugly nonsense
filled conglomeration of mostly wrong information.

[carole]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation
"The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP
Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the
United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the
world. Since WWII, the pharmaceutical industry has steadily netted
increasing profits to become the world's second largest manufacturing
industry; [3], [4] after the arms industry."

I suggest you try to overcome some of your preconceptions and face the
truth like a man.


carole
www.conspiracee.com

[joeturn]

Carole they have a thing now they call chemo where fake cancer is
diagnosed and the patient is scared into believing there only hope is
to under go surgery/radiation treatments and a wave of deadly
medicines or all three!

They make mega bux off selling this type treatment rather than cure
the cancer.

The treatments end up killing the patients more times than it cures
them,this is a good thing for the pharmaceuticle industry as it scares
more patients into having it done.The catch thing is the old
colonoscupy trick where as they claim you have a lump of cell tissue
that needs attention.The next thing you hear is that the patient
waited too long before getting this colonoscupy done so the cancer has
spread and eventially kills you.

Truth be told the medicines they give you does soo much damage to your
kidneys and bladder they die.

Few people survive Chemo those that do say they are cancer survivers
when actually they overcome the treatments. They should wear a T-Shirt
that says"I survined Chemo"

Same thing happens to most heart patients that are told they have
sevear blockage and have to undergo a bypass surgery!

They actually have a film that shows this blockage and this same film
is passed to all the heart surgens to fool the patients into believing
that they need half their heart by passed.This is a great thing to aid
the depopulation project people are being butchered alive and told it
is a medical necessity$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Caution to the smokers!

Cigarettes are being contaiminated with radio active poisons more now
than ever before.If you are seen by a doctor that notices that you
smoke he is directed to blame any and all your ailments and symtoms on
your smoking habit.If you dont quit smoking by the time of your next
visit you will become a victim of human experimenting,where as you
will be given a number of medicines to test their effect and if you
get worse it is because you are a smoker or so thety will say!

Years ago prisoners were given a number of ailments and then medicines
to see if they could come up with a cure.Prisoners were given time off
for there volulteening.However HW Bush made it legal for human
experimenting on the population without consent in the name of science!

[Government Shill #2]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:59:03 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

there only hope is
bux
pharmaceuticle
colonoscupy
colonoscupy
eventially
soo
survivers
survined
sevear
surgens

they need half their heart by passed.

Contaiminated
symtoms
thety
there volulteening
volulteening

You're welcome, Ralph.

Shill #2
--
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:401bac1f-5358-414d-b4a9-
4d9340...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

Poe or not Poe? Difficult to tell.

> Carole they have a thing now they call chemo where fake cancer is
> diagnosed and the patient is scared into believing there only hope is
> to under go surgery/radiation treatments and a wave of deadly
> medicines or all three!

Fake cancer? Cancer is a very real condition, not even believers in
"alternative medicine" generally deny its existence - hence the numerous
"treatments" snake oil salesmen huckster for it.

It is pretty obvious that you don't know much about cancer and how it is
treated, if you imagine that chemo is used for all cancer types.

> They make mega bux off selling this type treatment rather than cure
> the cancer.

We have a few regulars in this ng who have survived cancer, in one case
for 20 years plus. Of course I'm aware that anecdotes are not data, but
even that one case does show that cancer can be cured by real medicine.

> The treatments end up killing the patients more times than it cures
> them,this is a good thing for the pharmaceuticle industry as it scares
> more patients into having it done.

And your evidence for that claim would be? Please use real statistics.

> The catch thing is the old
> colonoscupy trick where as they claim you have a lump of cell tissue
> that needs attention.The next thing you hear is that the patient
> waited too long before getting this colonoscupy done so the cancer has
> spread and eventially kills you.

It's colonoscopy, btw. Colon cancers are notoriously symptomless and are
generally detected only after the patient starts bleeding from the
rectum - and that is really when it already may be too late.

> Truth be told the medicines they give you does soo much damage to your
> kidneys and bladder they die.

[Citation needed]

> Few people survive Chemo those that do say they are cancer survivers
> when actually they overcome the treatments. They should wear a T-Shirt
> that says"I survined Chemo"

Do you know what Acute Lymphoblastic Leukaemia is by any chance? It is a
type of cancer with a cure rate of 75-80% - and it's treated with chemo
alone.

> Same thing happens to most heart patients that are told they have
> sevear blockage and have to undergo a bypass surgery!
>
> They actually have a film that shows this blockage and this same film
> is passed to all the heart surgens to fool the patients into believing
> that they need half their heart by passed.This is a great thing to aid
> the depopulation project people are being butchered alive and told it
> is a medical necessity$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Another conspiracy theorist. I should have guessed.

Coronary bypass surgery is done to improve the blood flow to the heart -
and the heart itself is not bypassed or "half their heart", whatever
that might mean. What is bypassed are blocked arteries, nothing else.

Please do try and educate yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/7j6wo7j

--
Homeopathy is a magnet for untrustworthy practitioners who
pose a threat to public safety. A perverse belief in the
"healing crisis" causes practitioners to ignore adverse
reactions, or to value them as "toxins being expelled."
- William Jarvis

[George152]

Pure insanity on the hoof....
I look forward to the day when slowjoe has a serious medical condition..
Let's see then just what bullshit he believes

[George152]

I can answer that in part.
He's wrong.
Medications that can affect the kidneys and bladder (and all the other
body organs) are known and the effects taken into account when prescribed..

[Steelclaws]

George152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in
news:2_idnRq_qJmpq_vS...@giganews.com:

>>> Truth be told the medicines they give you does soo much damage to
>>> your kidneys and bladder they die.
>> [Citation needed]
>>
> I can answer that in part.
> He's wrong.
> Medications that can affect the kidneys and bladder (and all the other
> body organs) are known and the effects taken into account when
> prescribed..

Very true that. joeturn appears to be very ignorant of medicine - yet
imagines he's knowledgeable to criticise it.

--
If RCTs indicate that a therapy is not detectably more
efficacious than a placebo, which is the case for the vast
majority of CAM/IM modalities, then there is no point in doing
trials in "real world" conditions because there is no reason to
expect the therapy to be effective. - David Gorski

[Bob Officer]

That is now. you are writing about a period of about 100 years ago.

The Rockefeller Foundation is not Rockefeller, the person. If you
actually did some investigation, The Rockefeller Foundation provides
no income from profits to the Rockefeller Family members. If a family
member is employed by the foundation, they actually have to 'work'
for the foundation in some very real capacity.

Carole this is another time you simply do not know enough about a
subject or do not have the ability to understand what you have read
to be in a discussion.

[joeturn]

On Mar 18, 3:23 pm, George152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> On 3/19/2012 12:17 AM, Steelclaws wrote:
>
>
>

> > joeturn<joeturn2...@yahoo.com>  wrote in news:401bac1f-5358-414d-b4a9-
> > 4d93400c1...@h9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

> body organs) are known and the effects taken into account when prescribed..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No they are not then intend to overdose you from the start.Kidney and
Liver I meant to say are damaged durring and after chemo yet said to
have been caused by the cancer!

The word CANCER is a name for a made up illness.All conditions can be
healed with the correct diet and exercise even those given you by
drinking floride of breathing chemtrails. The depopulation project
uses ever means at it disposal to kill off the old or unproductive
populace!

The illnesses you have are being kindled with this snake oil not cured
.
As I said some people are fortunate enough to overcome radiation and
chemo therapy yet they think they are cancer survivers.This is false
hope.

If you stay away from the poisoned foods by monsantos and the sprayed
crops by Chemtrails and quit drinking Government flouridated water you
will give you body a chance to heal its self.They now have added
lithium to the drinking water and bat fever to chemtrails!

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:abc1d165-ef9b-4943...@w29g2000yqw.googlegroups.com:

> No they are not then intend to overdose you from the start.Kidney and
> Liver I meant to say are damaged durring and after chemo yet said to
> have been caused by the cancer!

Funnily enough - and yes, I do realise you and reality do not have even
a nodding acquaintance - chemo is prescribed only AFTER cancer is
diagnosed.

> The word CANCER is a name for a made up illness.All conditions can be
> healed with the correct diet and exercise even those given you by
> drinking floride of breathing chemtrails. The depopulation project
> uses ever means at it disposal to kill off the old or unproductive
> populace!

I sure hope you don't ever get cancer, since with that attitude you'd
better pray you'd be in the roughly 20% spontaneous remission group.
Otherwise you'd just end up as another "alternative medicine" cancer
death statistic.

> The illnesses you have are being kindled with this snake oil not cured
> .
> As I said some people are fortunate enough to overcome radiation and
> chemo therapy yet they think they are cancer survivers.This is false
> hope.

Hey, genius, did you know that melanomas are treated with surgery only?
We have melanoma survivors as regulars in this ng.

> If you stay away from the poisoned foods by monsantos and the sprayed
> crops by Chemtrails and quit drinking Government flouridated water you
> will give you body a chance to heal its self.They now have added
> lithium to the drinking water and bat fever to chemtrails!

ROFLMAO.

--
Homeopathy works on the principle that most people are
religious, and hence will believe in any hogwash.
- Doctoratlarge

[Government Shill #2]

slowjoe!

You're a chemtrail kOOk too?!?!?!?

Brilliant.

Tells us about chemtrails!

Shill #2
--
slowjoe's theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

[George152]

And there we were thinking that you are just a nutter. Instead you prove
yourself to be totally doolaaley

[George152]

On 3/19/2012 8:28 PM, Government Shill #2 wrote:
> slowjoe! You're a chemtrail kOOk too?!?!?!? Brilliant. Tells us about
> chemtrails!

He -believes- if its crazy he's there in line :(

[joeturn]

On Mar 19, 3:28 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  slowjoe's themehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Dont you realy want to hear about Monsantos?

http://preventdisease.com/news/12/031212_Neotame-13000-Times-Sweeter-Than-Sugar-And-Even-More-Toxic-Than-Aspartame.shtml

[George152]

On 3/20/2012 3:43 PM, joeturn wrote:
>
> Dont you realy want to hear about Monsantos?
>
>

Sounds like a weed wants the weedkiller manufacturers closed down..
Did you consult Bill and Ben ?

[joeturn]

sounds like monsatos wants the whole market/the rockerfellas fondation

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/doomsday-seed-vault-in-the-arctic-by-f-william-engdahl-gmo/

Bill is on it!

[Jan Drew]

On Mar 17, 10:42 pm, Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote:

> Carole

Is not the subject.

[Jan Drew]

On Mar 17, 11:17 pm, Bob Officer <*@*.*>

Insults, obsession, and off topic deleted.

[carole]

I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
competition with alternative medicine.
There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
is behind some establishments.

>
> Do try to think, I know it is a difficult skill to learn.
>
> >Don't you see the irony?
>
> No, but I see how willfully ignorant you are.
>
> >So what he's saying is "buy my drugs and make me rich, but don't
> >expect me to take that crap".
>
> Who told you rockefeller had anything to do with Drugs? Maybe you
> need to vet your sources of information a lot better. People have
> been telling you this all along but you keep calling people names and
> doing nothing more than Proving to the world you are an idiot ... by
> your own words.
>
> I would suggest you stop believing in post hoc fallacies to start.
>
> The ignore web sites like Rense, Whale.to and your own ugly nonsense
> filled conglomeration of mostly wrong information.

But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
like you -- ie an establishment pawn.

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[Bob Officer]

You think, But when asked why you can't base your thinking on facts.
The people you point to writing has been shown not to be based in
fact, over and over again.

>There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
>is behind some establishments.

Carole there are books written everyday. The rest of your sentence is
not understandable, and sound like you strung a series of words
together which do not make any sense at all.

>> Do try to think, I know it is a difficult skill to learn.
>>
>> >Don't you see the irony?
>>
>> No, but I see how willfully ignorant you are.
>>
>> >So what he's saying is "buy my drugs and make me rich, but don't
>> >expect me to take that crap".
>>
>> Who told you rockefeller had anything to do with Drugs? Maybe you
>> need to vet your sources of information a lot better. People have
>> been telling you this all along but you keep calling people names and
>> doing nothing more than Proving to the world you are an idiot ... by
>> your own words.
>>
>> I would suggest you stop believing in post hoc fallacies to start.
>>
>> The ignore web sites like Rense, Whale.to and your own ugly nonsense
>> filled conglomeration of mostly wrong information.
>
>But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
>like you -- ie an establishment pawn.

Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
speculation which is often based on make believe.


--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know

[Steelclaws]

carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:bf14cf3b-138a-4820...@t8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com:

>> >So on the one hand he sold drugs and tried to put alternative
>> >medicine out of business, but didn't trust his own health to his
>> >drugs.
>>
>> Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
>> alternative medicine out of business.
>
> I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
> competition with alternative medicine.
> There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
> is behind some establishments.

Fantasy books are not very reliable evidence on anything.

--
The bottom line is this: who do you want giving you advice
about taking care of your health - someone who is steeped in
magical thinking, immune to evidence, and contemptuous of
rigorous science, or someone who is mainly science-based?
- Steven Novella

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in
news:41vhm7htbe7ls6acd...@4ax.com:

>>> Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
>>> alternative medicine out of business.
>>
>>I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
>>competition with alternative medicine.
>
> You think, But when asked why you can't base your thinking on facts.
> The people you point to writing has been shown not to be based in
> fact, over and over again.

Carole does not care if she does not get the details - that means facts
- right. And does it ever show.

>>There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
>>is behind some establishments.
>
> Carole there are books written everyday. The rest of your sentence is
> not understandable, and sound like you strung a series of words
> together which do not make any sense at all.

And she has the gall to tell other people to go back to English classes.

>>> The ignore web sites like Rense, Whale.to and your own ugly nonsense
>>> filled conglomeration of mostly wrong information.
>>
>>But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
>>like you -- ie an establishment pawn.
>
> Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
> speculation which is often based on make believe.

I classify them as fantasy literature for a good reason

[Bob Officer]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>news:bf14cf3b-138a-4820...@t8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> >So on the one hand he sold drugs and tried to put alternative
>>> >medicine out of business, but didn't trust his own health to his
>>> >drugs.
>>>
>>> Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
>>> alternative medicine out of business.
>>
>> I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
>> competition with alternative medicine.
>> There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
>> is behind some establishments.
>
>Fantasy books are not very reliable evidence on anything.

I thought it funny that Carole is impressed with the fact books were
being written then. She does fail to understand just because a book
was being written doesn't mean the book is factual, no matter when
the book is written.

Critical thinking is something Carole just doesn't understand. She
would rather blindly believe, if it agrees with her preconceptions.
--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:ug4im7p61la8vru9jtq0gpiah1285f3rv7@
4ax.com:

> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
> Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>news:bf14cf3b-138a-4820...@t8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>> >So on the one hand he sold drugs and tried to put alternative
>>>> >medicine out of business, but didn't trust his own health to his
>>>> >drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
>>>> alternative medicine out of business.
>>>
>>> I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
>>> competition with alternative medicine.
>>> There are books written around the time, although its hard to find
who
>>> is behind some establishments.
>>
>>Fantasy books are not very reliable evidence on anything.
>
> I thought it funny that Carole is impressed with the fact books were
> being written then. She does fail to understand just because a book
> was being written doesn't mean the book is factual, no matter when
> the book is written.

Yeah, I've noticed that before. When she has actually bothered to read a
book and used it as evidence, it's been something very silly like that
Tilden book.

> Critical thinking is something Carole just doesn't understand. She
> would rather blindly believe, if it agrees with her preconceptions.

It's not only that she would rather blindly believe, she does blindly
believe. That's judging from her use of anything, no matter how
unreliable, that fits her confirmation bias.

--
Of course, the best (worst) part of it is that the alt-med
people are convinced that it is all plausible because they are
looking for evidence to bolster their belief rather than build a
belief based on evidence. Which is what makes them
'alternative.'
- Greg Hart

[Bob Officer]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:56:44 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in
>news:41vhm7htbe7ls6acd...@4ax.com:
>
>>>> Or maybe your own source's claim is wrong about the putting
>>>> alternative medicine out of business.
>>>
>>>I think Rockefeller was very active in trying to eliminate any
>>>competition with alternative medicine.
>>
>> You think, But when asked why you can't base your thinking on facts.
>> The people you point to writing has been shown not to be based in
>> fact, over and over again.
>
>Carole does not care if she does not get the details - that means facts
>- right. And does it ever show.

"Well guess what, I don't care if I don't get the details right."
Message-ID: <5vTzo.1191$MF5...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

>>>There are books written around the time, although its hard to find who
>>>is behind some establishments.
>>
>> Carole there are books written everyday. The rest of your sentence is
>> not understandable, and sound like you strung a series of words
>> together which do not make any sense at all.
>
>And she has the gall to tell other people to go back to English classes.

The point is Carole makes a big deal over Rockefeller creating a
foundation to give money to schools. He wasn't the only person during
this period. Rockefeller like Carnegie Stanford and Melon, They had
found a way to not pay some taxes and have the pleasure of directing
just where the money was spent. Those wise men realized the best way
to make money was by making sure the majority of the population had
an education and extra money to spend at the end of the week.

The grants to schools provided buildings, teachers and the start of a
way of life that revolutionized America.

>>>> The ignore web sites like Rense, Whale.to and your own ugly nonsense
>>>> filled conglomeration of mostly wrong information.
>>>
>>>But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
>>>like you -- ie an establishment pawn.
>>
>> Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
>> speculation which is often based on make believe.
>
>I classify them as fantasy literature for a good reason

Most are not even good literature.

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:bt4im7hqslbfprs4oj39odvksu2jlcmnj2@
4ax.com:

>>>>But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
>>>>like you -- ie an establishment pawn.
>>>
>>> Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
>>> speculation which is often based on make believe.
>>
>>I classify them as fantasy literature for a good reason
>
> Most are not even good literature.

Nope, they're not. And I've read more plausible fantasy books than what
some - well, almost all - of those sites are.

--
Something is probably pseudoscientific if enormous claims are
made for its power and veracity but supportive evidence is
scarce as hen's teeth.
- Michael Shermer

[joeturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-4JwDz9Uo&feature=related

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:a0203042-d365-4f89-a4e6-
74819e...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

>> >>> Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
>> >>> speculation which is often based on make believe.
>>
>> >>I classify them as fantasy literature for a good reason
>>
>> > Most are not even good literature.
>>
>> Nope, they're not. And I've read more plausible fantasy books than
what
>> some - well, almost all - of those sites are.
>>
>> --
>> Something is probably pseudoscientific if enormous claims are
>> made for its power and veracity but supportive evidence is
>> scarce as hen's teeth.
>> - Michael Shermer
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-4JwDz9Uo&feature=related

I do NOT do argument by Youtube. Find me something I can read and I'll
take a look.

--
Orthodox methods of investigation and research will be the
basis by which those practices are evaluated. The label,
"alternative health care," will not excuse any profession from
the requirement to demonstrate safety and effectiveness.
- Craig Nelson

[carole]

Can you prove that any of these lookalikes is actually the same
person?
There are lots of people who look like each other - what does this
video supposedly prove?

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 5:18 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:a0203042-d365-4f89-a4e6-
> 74819e3eb...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

> - Craig Nelson- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5227703d-9c71-4e30-9857-
a8a380...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:


> http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/


When I say read, I mean read. No Youtube, podcasts or freaking sign
language, morse code or smoke signals.

Letters on a page.

--
Denialists invoke logical fallacies to buttress unshakable
beliefs.
- Michael Specter

[joeturn]

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Start at the beginning.This guy has been put on hold by the patent
office awaiting documentation of a free energy device!
I would expect he will continue hounding the Government and exposing
the fraud untill at least he gets his patent.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xowl5v_the-case-for-conspiracy-exposed-exposed-series-by-dallasgoldbug_people

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 5:59 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5227703d-9c71-4e30-9857-
> a8a380025...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:

>
> >http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/
>
> When I say read, I mean read. No Youtube, podcasts or freaking sign
> language, morse code or smoke signals.
>
> Letters on a page.
>
> --
> Denialists invoke logical fallacies to buttress unshakable
> beliefs.
> - Michael Specter

Well there shit for brains if you cant comprehend what you read and
need to be spoonfed,what makes you think you can read at all?

If you are Stephen Hawkins and cant see or hear then just say soo.
I'll go out of my way to have it written in bralle just for you.

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 5:39 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

To me it proves we are being lied to on a grand scale by the ruling
elite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOVXI1POsM

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/48112219

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9884a7b0-b10c-4b9f-bf10-
0e9552...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 21, 5:59 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5227703d-9c71-4e30-
9857-
>> a8a380025...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/
>>
>> When I say read, I mean read. No Youtube, podcasts or freaking sign
>> language, morse code or smoke signals.
>>
>> Letters on a page.
>>
>> --
>> Denialists invoke logical fallacies to buttress unshakable
>> beliefs.
>> - Michael Specter
>
> Well there shit for brains if you cant comprehend what you read and
> need to be spoonfed,what makes you think you can read at all?

You're fine one to talk, osteocephalus. In case your memory as deficient
as your apparent reading comprehension - why do ALL nutcases seem to
suffer from that problem? - I requested something I can read, and a
bloody podcast is not it, moron.

Why do I bother with evolutionary rejects whose IQ is around the
temperature of liquid nitrogen?

> If you are Stephen Hawkins and cant see or hear then just say soo.
> I'll go out of my way to have it written in bralle just for you.

BZZZT! There's nothing wrong with Hawking's hearing or vision - but
pneumocephali like you would not know that.

I prefer actual readable material because I can read hell of a lot
faster than anyone can speak - and I can check and cross-reference from
text. But I guess such skill are way beyond your amazingly feeble
comprehension.

--
A ridiculous belief, even if sincerely believed, is no less ridiculous.
- Eric Nowell

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b88c2c0b-9730-4ed9-a3f8-
1ccf94...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 21, 5:59 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5227703d-9c71-4e30-
9857-
>> a8a380025...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> >http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/
>>
>> When I say read, I mean read. No Youtube, podcasts or freaking sign
>> language, morse code or smoke signals.
>>
>> Letters on a page.
>>
>> --
>> Denialists invoke logical fallacies to buttress unshakable
>> beliefs.
>> - Michael Specter
>

> Read this!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOVXI1POsM
>
> http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/48112219

Could the secretary or whoever is doing joeturn's reading and typing
tell him that just because he can't read and has to rely on videos, not
everyone is similarly limited.

--
Why slap them on the wrist with feather when you can belt
them over the head with a sledgehammer.
- Katherine Hepburn

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 5:39 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This guy says that photographs of side profiles of criminals taken
along with their finger prints are more accurate than finger printing
because the persons ear is used to identify them!

[BDK]

In article <a0203042-d365-4f89-a4e6-
74819e...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com
says...

It would help your insane claims if the supposed lookalikes actually
resembled the people they are supposed to be "playing". Apparantly,
you're blind as well as insanely stupid.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[George152]

On 3/22/2012 4:41 AM, Steelclaws wrote:
> Could the secretary or whoever is doing joeturn's reading and typing
> tell him that just because he can't read and has to rely on videos,
> not everyone is similarly limited.

His one brain cell is currently fully employed working breakfast out ..
Please leave your name and number and he will get back to you

[Government Shill #2]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:41:13 +0000 (UTC), Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b88c2c0b-9730-4ed9-a3f8-
>1ccf94...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 21, 5:59 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5227703d-9c71-4e30-
>9857-
>>> a8a380025...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> >http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/
>>>
>>> When I say read, I mean read. No Youtube, podcasts or freaking sign
>>> language, morse code or smoke signals.
>>>
>>> Letters on a page.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Denialists invoke logical fallacies to buttress unshakable
>>> beliefs.
>>> - Michael Specter
>>
>> Read this!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOVXI1POsM
>>
>> http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/48112219
>
>Could the secretary or whoever is doing joeturn's reading and typing
>tell him that just because he can't read and has to rely on videos, not
>everyone is similarly limited.

Slowjoe doesn't have a secretary. It's his big, 12 year old sister who does his
reading and writing. He's only 9 you see.

Shill #2
--
slowjoe's theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 11:38 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9884a7b0-b10c-4b9f-bf10-
> 0e9552d23...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

> - Eric Nowell- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a PDF
in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said rto
be worth a thousand words.

Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com

http://wellaware1.com/gaga/gagafinal.jpg

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4554203b-7532-493d-95db-
3377cf...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:

>> I prefer actual readable material because I can read hell of a lot
>> faster than anyone can speak - and I can check and cross-reference
from
>> text. But I guess such skill are way beyond your amazingly feeble
>> comprehension.

> Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a PDF
> in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said rto
> be worth a thousand words.

I prefer text books to picture books.

> Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
> you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
> that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
> parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com

I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in these
days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.

--
When orthodox medicine is wholly rejected, as it is among
some religious communities in America, the results can be
devastating. For example, among the Faith Assembly religious
sect in Indiana, peri-natal mortality is 92 times greater than in
Indiana as a whole and maternal mortality is the same as it was
a hundred years ago.
- Dick Taverner

[Bob Officer]

Did you know no one can patent so called free energy devices, unless
they can produce a working model.

There is no such thing as free energy devices.

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in

news:firkm7pph67sop3er...@4ax.com:

>>Start at the beginning.This guy has been put on hold by the patent
>>office awaiting documentation of a free energy device!
>>I would expect he will continue hounding the Government and exposing
>>the fraud untill at least he gets his patent.
>
> Did you know no one can patent so called free energy devices, unless
> they can produce a working model.

And that's because they got fed up with loons trying to patent perpetual
motion devices - that's what a "free energy device" is.

> There is no such thing as free energy devices.

Nope, and there cannot be. There's this little thing called
thermodynamics that prevents them.

--
Advance in science comes by laying brick upon brick, not by
sudden erection of fairy palaces.
- J. S. Huxley

[Bob Officer]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:28:32 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4554203b-7532-493d-95db-
>3377cf...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> I prefer actual readable material because I can read hell of a lot
>>> faster than anyone can speak - and I can check and cross-reference
>from
>>> text. But I guess such skill are way beyond your amazingly feeble
>>> comprehension.
>
>> Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a PDF
>> in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said rto
>> be worth a thousand words.
>
>I prefer text books to picture books.

However a picture without context is pretty useless.

>> Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
>> you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
>> that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
>> parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com
>
>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in these
>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.

No fooling.

But it was always fun to fake film based picture.

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:n65lm755tgji0gblvujo6qg7hdt3l9nrec@
4ax.com:

>>> Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a
PDF
>>> in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said
rto
>>> be worth a thousand words.
>>
>>I prefer text books to picture books.
>
> However a picture without context is pretty useless.

Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have a
context, though.

>>> Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
>>> you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
>>> that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
>>> parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com
>>
>>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in these
>>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.
>
> No fooling.
>
> But it was always fun to fake film based picture.

Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.

BTW, I've been doing a lot of 'skeet shooting' with alternut claims
lately. They launch a paper at me and down it comes. Nancy Malik gave up
already. *grin*

--
A good rule of thumb, one that I have yet to find to have
been wrong, is that, whenever someone says their device or
treatment is a "cure for almost every disease known to mankind,"
it's quackery. Run, don't walk, away from anyone telling you
that.
- David Gorski

[Bob Officer]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:03:58 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:n65lm755tgji0gblvujo6qg7hdt3l9nrec@
>4ax.com:
>
>>>> Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a
>PDF
>>>> in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said
>rto
>>>> be worth a thousand words.
>>>
>>>I prefer text books to picture books.
>>
>> However a picture without context is pretty useless.
>
>Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have a
>context, though.

But often no context outside of immediate culture.

>>>> Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
>>>> you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
>>>> that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
>>>> parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com
>>>
>>>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in these
>>>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.
>>
>> No fooling.
>>
>> But it was always fun to fake film based picture.
>
>Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.

I used to do some incredible B&W and Color faked photos. I had my own
Dark room and after taking an ansel adams class, and mastering the
zone system, I decided to master faking photos. Because I learned how
to fake photos, I also learn how to spot the faked photos.

>BTW, I've been doing a lot of 'skeet shooting' with alternut claims
>lately. They launch a paper at me and down it comes. Nancy Malik gave up
>already. *grin*

I saw that. Everyone was a twitter over it.

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:jsblm71eap2isuii64i9j0gaaj357k2iv6@
4ax.com:

>>>>I prefer text books to picture books.
>>>
>>> However a picture without context is pretty useless.
>>
>>Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have a
>>context, though.
>
> But often no context outside of immediate culture.

True that. Though there are some images that have almost universal
context like natural phenomena.

>>>>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in
these
>>>>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.
>>>
>>> No fooling.
>>>
>>> But it was always fun to fake film based picture.
>>
>>Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.
>
> I used to do some incredible B&W and Color faked photos. I had my own
> Dark room and after taking an ansel adams class, and mastering the
> zone system, I decided to master faking photos. Because I learned how
> to fake photos, I also learn how to spot the faked photos.

Yes, it certainly does when you know in detail how it's done and have
practical experience in it. I have neither, but then, some attempts are
so damn clumsy nobody probably would have difficulties in spotting them.

>>BTW, I've been doing a lot of 'skeet shooting' with alternut claims
>>lately. They launch a paper at me and down it comes. Nancy Malik gave
up
>>already. *grin*
>
> I saw that. Everyone was a twitter over it.

Yep, there was some discussion about it.

--
The plural of anecdote is not data.
- Roger Brinner

[joeturn]

On Mar 21, 11:03 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:n65lm755tgji0gblvujo6qg7hdt3l9nrec@
> 4ax.com:
>
>
>
> >>> Well I'de suggest you write to podbean and ask them if they have a
> PDF
> >>> in text of that interview..So back to reasoning.A picture is said
> rto
> >>> be worth a thousand words.
>
> >>I prefer text books to picture books.
>
> > However a picture without context is pretty useless.
>
> Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have a
> context, though.
>
> >>> Now knowing the hardest part of any language is reading and knowing
> >>> you cant depend on what you see nor what you hear you can safely say
> >>> that if "it is written so shall it be"what an odity. For intested
> >>> parties that can see look at these comparisons by wellaware1.com
>
> >>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in these
> >>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.
>
> > No fooling.
>
> > But it was always fun to fake film based picture.
>
> Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.

And you have read some incredible lies,The KJV is a prime example of
pure fiction!

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:295e874e-6a42-46b1-9e7a-
c1084e...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:

>> Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.
>
>
> And you have read some incredible lies,The KJV is a prime example of
> pure fiction!

Just so that you know, you're talking to an agnostic.

I'm not about to go into detail which parts of the Bible are reliable, as
they can be corroborated from independent sources - though I certainly can
- it'd take a book-length post.

--
Pseudoscience flat-out denies an entire body of accepted
facts, drawing it in close kinship to denialism. Like denialism,
pseudoscience evades, ignores, and avoids undeniable facts.
- Seth Kalichman

[joeturn]

On Mar 22, 12:26 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:295e874e-6a42-46b1-9e7a-
> c1084e3c4...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:

>
> >> Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.
>
> > And you have read some incredible lies,The KJV is a prime example of
> > pure fiction!
>
> Just so that you know, you're talking to an agnostic.
>
> I'm not about to go into detail which parts of the Bible are reliable, as
> they can be corroborated from independent sources - though I certainly can
> - it'd take a book-length post.
>
> --
> Pseudoscience flat-out denies an entire body of accepted
> facts, drawing it in close kinship to denialism. Like denialism,
> pseudoscience evades, ignores, and avoids undeniable facts.
> - Seth Kalichman

There you go being an agnostic ,you should know that reading lies does
not make them true.The Babble Tale is no difference from science
fiction,American History,the illuminati education system steers it's
sheeple in a desired direction via lies upon lies. No matter how fast
you can read you must slow down enough to realise how much of what you
are reading is pure fiction.

They only throw a tiny amount of truth in the mix to make reading more
palatable,you cant swallow the whole load without choking.

The only photo shopping I'm aware of is that the government did when
they tried to make people believe terrorist hijacked commercial
airliners and flew them into building on 911.

The cartoons we all watched on TV that day were created using software
from Avidtech! A pictorial animated form of Photoshop for movies!

While reading you must concentrate on what is between the lines$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:351c30fe-e389-462a...@w1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 22, 12:26 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:295e874e-6a42-46b1-9e7a-
>> c1084e3c4...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.
>>
>> > And you have read some incredible lies,The KJV is a prime example
>> > of pure fiction!
>>
>> Just so that you know, you're talking to an agnostic.
>>
>> I'm not about to go into detail which parts of the Bible are
>> reliable, as they can be corroborated from independent sources -
>> though I certainly ca
> n
>> - it'd take a book-length post.
>>
>> --
>> Pseudoscience flat-out denies an entire body of accepted
>> facts, drawing it in close kinship to denialism. Like denialism,
>> pseudoscience evades, ignores, and avoids undeniable facts.
>> - Seth Kalichman
>
> There you go being an agnostic ,you should know that reading lies does
> not make them true.

That applies also to firmly held beliefs that are untrue. That does not
make them lies, however, since a lie by definition is saying something
you know isn't true.

> The Babble Tale is no difference from science
> fiction,

You're slightly wrong there, since some of its claims can be
corroborated from independent evidence, mostly Mesopotamian and Egyptian
sources.

> American History,the illuminati education system steers it's
> sheeple in a desired direction via lies upon lies.

I won't call that a lie, since you sincerely believe in it, but your
belief does not make it any more true than if it really were a lie.

> No matter how fast
> you can read you must slow down enough to realise how much of what you
> are reading is pure fiction.

You've not been here long enough to read all the highly analytical posts
I've made over the years to know better.

> They only throw a tiny amount of truth in the mix to make reading more
> palatable,you cant swallow the whole load without choking.

Your problem - and the same applies to Carole - is that I'm used to
dealing with the primary sources when it comes to history, not secondary
ones.

> The only photo shopping I'm aware of is that the government did when
> they tried to make people believe terrorist hijacked commercial
> airliners and flew them into building on 911.

ROFL. I have 3 NY friends who all saw it happen with their own eyes.

And google up what PhotoShop is.

> The cartoons we all watched on TV that day were created using software
> from Avidtech! A pictorial animated form of Photoshop for movies!

As I said, I have heard eyewitness accounts - and though they all were
in different parts of Manhattan, the accounts made to me independently
(they don't even know each other) matched.

--
Germ theory is as confirmed a concept as science can offer.
Cellular theory lost the battle to experiment. Reality and
science supports the ideas of Pasteur, not Bechamp.
- Mark Crislip

[joeturn]

> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Start at the beginning.This guy has been put on hold by the patent
> >office awaiting documentation of a free energy device!
> >I would expect he will continue hounding the Government and exposing
> >the fraud untill at least he gets his patent.
>
> Did you know no one can patent so called free energy devices, unless
> they can produce a working model.
>
> There is no such thing as free energy devices.
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
> "I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
>  I am calcium deficient idiot."  Carole Hubbard

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This guy designed and built a hydrogen cell that can keep electric
cars up and running endlessly with only the expense of water!

[joeturn]

On Mar 22, 1:06 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> - Mark Crislip- Hide quoted text -

>
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I have added holograms of planes captured by Evan Fairbanks in
progress to explain these sightings!
The sound was from a public address system,the sound of the flight
played over and over again untill they covered it up with elevator
music,this is why the cia dubbed the sound to keep people from hearing
the continuos impact over and over again.There are videos that shows
the plane going slam through the tower and out the other side.The
promblem with that aluminum nosecone covered with fiberglass will not
penatrate vertical columbs and core columbs with out demolishing the
entire plane before it entered the tower! Evins film shows no debris
from the plane falling to the ground when it hits the building this is
a complete impossibility!

[joeturn]

On Mar 22, 1:57 pm, Lu <Lu_...@no.addr> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:06:26 -0400, Steelclaws wrote
> (in article <XnsA01EAE01FC72Ctenquidnotehotmai...@94.75.214.39>):

> HOw did anyone manage to doctor all that "live" footage of 911 that we view
> on TV that morning?

>
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>
> - Hide quoted text -
>

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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Glad you asked scroll down to the 16 second video overlap!

http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-video-deception-t23098p3.html?s=c085321c49685893c5113a06b3521713&amp;highlight=beep

[George152]

On 3/23/2012 6:39 AM, joeturn wrote:
> This guy designed and built a hydrogen cell that can keep electric
> cars up and running endlessly with only the expense of water!

Riiight.
And the bridge is still for sale

[Bob Officer]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:59:23 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:jsblm71eap2isuii64i9j0gaaj357k2iv6@
>4ax.com:
>
>>>>>I prefer text books to picture books.
>>>>
>>>> However a picture without context is pretty useless.
>>>
>>>Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have a
>>>context, though.
>>
>> But often no context outside of immediate culture.
>
>True that. Though there are some images that have almost universal
>context like natural phenomena.

But some would have no universal meaning. Show a picture of a
helicopter to a person which never saw one fly and they would be at a
loss. Likewise we used to have a game show where odd items were show
to Celebrates on a Guess it venue, and while these items were often
less than 40 years old, the celebre were at a total loss.

>>>>>I've explained already why I prefer reading to pictures - and in
>these
>>>>>days of PhotoShop picture can be made to lie all too easily.
>>>>
>>>> No fooling.
>>>>
>>>> But it was always fun to fake film based picture.
>>>
>>>Yeppers. I've seen some incredible photoshops.
>>
>> I used to do some incredible B&W and Color faked photos. I had my own
>> Dark room and after taking an ansel adams class, and mastering the
>> zone system, I decided to master faking photos. Because I learned how
>> to fake photos, I also learn how to spot the faked photos.
>
>Yes, it certainly does when you know in detail how it's done and have
>practical experience in it. I have neither, but then, some attempts are
>so damn clumsy nobody probably would have difficulties in spotting them.

Just before I decided not to re-enlist in the Navy Reserves, I took a
Aerial Photographersmate Class C School. I had considered
Cross-rating because the plans were to do away with my current job.
Details are important, Find the details and you get a real idea of
what the big picture really is.

<snip>

[Bob Officer]

How much energy does it take to separate the Hydrogen from the
Oxygen?

Right now the best process takes exactly the same amount of energy
you get from burning hydrogen. Then you must "dry the hydrogen,
compress it and store it. Transport it, Pump it into smaller tanks.
Since Hydrogen Gas is very explosive (much more so than Gasoline,
special care must be taken when hydrogen is transported, stored or
used.

I wish idiots would stop and consider this before than make asses out
of themselves.

Hydrogen isn't free to produce, it takes energy. Since there is no
such thing as a lossless system, Ergo it isn't free energy.

Stupid people might fall for that, but thinking people Do not.

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[Bob Officer]

Is it Alexa?

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:69729c55-6629-4dc5...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.com:

Yes, I know about that fantasy. It's about the kookies to all the 9/11
consiracy theories - and that's saying a lot.

--
Naturopaths have an incorrect understanding of human biology
and do not understand how this is applied in a science-based
fashion to prevent and treat human disease.
- Peter Lipson

[Steelclaws]

Lu <Lu_...@no.addr> wrote in
news:q4CdnQH4Bolu-vbS...@giganews.com:

>>> The cartoons we all watched on TV that day were created using
>>> software from Avidtech! A pictorial animated form of Photoshop for
>>> movies!
>>
>> As I said, I have heard eyewitness accounts - and though they all
>> were in different parts of Manhattan, the accounts made to me
>> independently (they don't even know each other) matched.
>

> HOw did anyone manage to doctor all that "live" footage of 911 that we
> view on TV that morning?

The answer is simple: no one can.

Just like all the thousands of eyewitnesses in NYC that day were not a
part of any conspiracy.

--
Maturity of mind is capacity to endure uncertainty.
- Kong Fuzi

[Steelclaws]

Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:8tbnm7p43flousfvi8d7l1h5c8j4p4nohb@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:59:23 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
> Steelclaws <tenqu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:jsblm71eap2isuii64i9j0gaaj357k2iv6@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>>>>>I prefer text books to picture books.
>>>>>
>>>>> However a picture without context is pretty useless.
>>>>
>>>>Yep, except possibly as an artwork. Figurative ones usually do have
a
>>>>context, though.
>>>
>>> But often no context outside of immediate culture.
>>
>>True that. Though there are some images that have almost universal
>>context like natural phenomena.
>
> But some would have no universal meaning. Show a picture of a
> helicopter to a person which never saw one fly and they would be at a
> loss. Likewise we used to have a game show where odd items were show
> to Celebrates on a Guess it venue, and while these items were often
> less than 40 years old, the celebre were at a total loss.

Agreed there.

>>> I used to do some incredible B&W and Color faked photos. I had my
own
>>> Dark room and after taking an ansel adams class, and mastering the
>>> zone system, I decided to master faking photos. Because I learned
how
>>> to fake photos, I also learn how to spot the faked photos.
>>
>>Yes, it certainly does when you know in detail how it's done and have
>>practical experience in it. I have neither, but then, some attempts
are
>>so damn clumsy nobody probably would have difficulties in spotting
them.
>
> Just before I decided not to re-enlist in the Navy Reserves, I took a
> Aerial Photographersmate Class C School. I had considered
> Cross-rating because the plans were to do away with my current job.
> Details are important, Find the details and you get a real idea of
> what the big picture really is.

That is very true. Get the details wrong and you'll get everything wrong
- as demonstrated by Carole.

--
Orthodox methods of investigation and research will be the
basis by which those practices are evaluated. The label,
"alternative health care," will not excuse any profession from
the requirement to demonstrate safety and effectiveness.
- Craig Nelson

[Steelclaws]

Lu <Lu_...@no.addr> wrote in
news:B4-dnR44U4MCRfbS...@giganews.com:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:24:46 -0400, Steelclaws wrote
> (in article <XnsA01FE562B134te...@94.75.214.39>):

> these nuts do not understand just how many people there are in the
> world and the impossibility of pulling off a stunt like that in front
> of them.

No, they simply don't. The biggest flaw in all these megaconspiracy
theories is the number of people that have to be involved and the
complete disregard of the very human trait of not being able to keep
their mouths shut.

--
Homeopaths, herbalists, and traditional Chinese medicine
shouldn't be treating real diseases. They actually shouldn't
really be treating anyone because their methods are either
unproven, disproven, pure pseudoscience, or based on
prescientific ideas about how the human body functions and
disease disrupts that function.
- Orac

[joeturn]

On Mar 22, 10:05 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Lu <Lu_...@no.addr> wrote innews:B4-dnR44U4MCRfbS...@giganews.com:

>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:24:46 -0400, Steelclaws wrote

> > (in article <XnsA01FE562B134tenquidnotehotmai...@94.75.214.39>):

> - Orac- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Sheeple are very easily fooled Look at the multitudes that are
involved in religon.

Yes sir if there ever comes reincarnation I want to be a preacher.He
is tax exempt,demands 10 percent of everyones wages,

If he gets caught with his pants down he simply ask the herd to
forgive him for his sins.All the time fleecing his flock out of their
goods and getting sexual favors from those in despare.

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1612efcb-0d45-481e...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:

>> > these nuts do not understand just how many people there are in the
>> > world and the impossibility of pulling off a stunt like that in
>> > front of them.
>>
>> No, they simply don't. The biggest flaw in all these megaconspiracy
>> theories is the number of people that have to be involved and the
>> complete disregard of the very human trait of not being able to keep
>> their mouths shut.
>>
>> --
>> Homeopaths, herbalists, and traditional Chinese medicine
>> shouldn't be treating real diseases. They actually shouldn't
>> really be treating anyone because their methods are either
>> unproven, disproven, pure pseudoscience, or based on
>> prescientific ideas about how the human body functions and
>> disease disrupts that function.
>> - Orac- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Sheeple are very easily fooled Look at the multitudes that are
> involved in religon.

Try and address what I actually discussed instead.

--
The believers in these conspiracies often say, "Prove me
wrong," because that's a lot easier to say than "I haven't got
the first shred of evidence to prove I'm right."
- Richard Roeper

[carole]

On Mar 23, 10:20 am, Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:39:09 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hidequoted text -

> Message-ID: <5Mfbp.11718$gM3.10...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

That's the official story but not the truth.
The truth is that anybody who comes up with an invention that would
stop reliance on fossil fuels is shut down.

But since bob is establishment pawn, he only follows the official
policy - a waste of time having him in any discussion, just goes round
in circles.

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[carole]

On Mar 22, 2:15 am, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 5:39 am, carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 21, 7:51 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 20, 7:41 pm, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > Bob Officer <*@*.*> wrote in news:bt4im7hqslbfprs4oj39odvksu2jlcmnj2@
> > > > 4ax.com:
>
> > > > >>>>But bob, why would I ignore conspiracy websites, then I would become
> > > > >>>>like you -- ie an establishment pawn.
>
> > > > >>> Because conspiracy web sites do not deal in facts. They deal in
> > > > >>> speculation which is often based on make believe.
>
> > > > >>I classify them as fantasy literature for a good reason
>
> > > > > Most are not even good literature.
>
> > > > Nope, they're not. And I've read more plausible fantasy books than what
> > > > some - well, almost all - of those sites are.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Something is probably pseudoscientific if enormous claims are
> > > > made for its power and veracity but supportive evidence is
> > > > scarce as hen's teeth.
> > > > - Michael Shermer
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-4JwDz9Uo&feature=related
>
> > Can you prove that any of these lookalikes is actually the same
> > person?
> > There are lots of people who look like each other - what does this
> > video supposedly prove?
>

> > carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
>

> This guy says that photographs of side profiles of criminals taken
> along with their finger prints are more accurate than finger printing
> because the persons ear is used to identify them!

Where is the explanation of the theory about these lookalikes - a just
don't see what is being achieved.
Remember also that if somebody has had surgery to change some facets
of their appearance, they can't just show up again as the original
person.

Yes, it is quite possible that there are actors who appear in many
official videos. The late Joe Vialls said that the captured Saddam
Hussein was in reality one of his lookalikes. Saddam Hussein's wife
said that it wasn't him, so where did the real Saddam end up?

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[carole]

Which guy is this, and where does he say it?

carole
www.conspiracee.com

[Joe Fabeets]

Crazy Carole <--- still an idiot, and her own words have made her so.

[joeturn]

> > > carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hidequoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > This guy says that photographs of side profiles of criminals taken
> > along with their finger prints are more accurate than finger printing
> > because the persons ear is used to identify them!
>
> Where is the explanation of the theory about these lookalikes - a just
> don't see what is being achieved.
> Remember also that if somebody has had surgery to change some facets
> of their appearance, they can't just show up again as the original
> person.
>
> Yes, it is quite possible that there are actors who appear in many
> official videos. The late Joe Vialls said that the captured Saddam
> Hussein was in reality one of his lookalikes. Saddam Hussein's wife
> said that it wasn't him, so where did the real Saddam end up?
>

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The Pima County Sherriffs actors guild were comissioned by FEMA/
Homeland Security to do a series of training films to teach first
responders what to do in case of certain dissasters.They were the ones
playing like they were rescuing people from the twin towers on 911.

Listen at the 2:minute mark in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAXD39gnVZo

You can also visit his webb site and click on anything of interest and
see videos and picture comparisons

wellaware1.com.

His stuff was pulled by Youtube but has made a miraculous recovery
under different accounts
like" wellaware1boss" theres 3 pages of interesting videos to
watch.They have been giving him lots of obuse.

[joeturn]

> > > carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hidequoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > This guy says that photographs of side profiles of criminals taken
> > along with their finger prints are more accurate than finger printing
> > because the persons ear is used to identify them!
>
> Which guy is this, and where does he say it?
>

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Edward Chiarini/DallasGoldBug

[joeturn]

> > >> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hidequotedtext -

> carolewww.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

This is not a reply to this post but I thought it worthy of mention!

In 1908 Tesla stopped by the local radio shack(electronics supplys)
and purchased wire,copper rods and electron tubes and assembled them
in side a 4"x6"x18' wooden box.When he got to the place to put on his
exibition he used this box to replace the battery. he sit it in the
passenger seat and hooked it up to the motor terminals.It opperated on
No fuel at all no chemical reaction at all just amplification of RF
frequency using the body of the car as the antenna.After adjusting the
rods he said we have power.He drove the car up to 80miles per hour and
it remained ready to go till a week later he pulled his box out of
play because the press called it witchcraft!

*Tesla's pierce/arrow electric car*

[joeturn]

> > carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> This is not a reply to this post but I thought it worthy of mention!
>
> In 1908 Tesla stopped by the local radio shack(electronics supplys)
> and purchased wire,copper rods and electron tubes and assembled them
> in side a 4"x6"x18' wooden box.When he got to the place to put on his
> exibition he used this box to replace the battery. he sit it in the
> passenger seat and hooked it up to the motor terminals.It opperated on
> No fuel at all no chemical reaction at all just amplification of RF
> frequency using the body of the car as the antenna.After adjusting the
> rods he said we have power.He drove the car up to 80miles per hour and
> it remained ready to go till a week later he pulled his box out of
> play because the press called it witchcraft!
>

> *Tesla's pierce/arrow electric car*- Hide quoted text -

>
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slight discrepencies here 1931 and 90 miles per hour!

http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_016.htm

[Happy Oyster]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:40:08 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
<joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You can also visit his webb site

this is much better: http://www.pharmamafia.com

Also, there is http://www.healbreastcancerawards.org
--

Neues Paradigma: Ich bin Gott!
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/281.htm

[Happy Oyster]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
<joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Edward

Nope. Edzard. Edzard Ernst, he writes a lot of interesting articles.

[Bob Officer]

One of the most widely produced fables.

Try finding an authoritative source.

The truth is he replace the ICE with an 80HP electric motor. The
switching gear for the motor and motor itself completely filled the
trunk and modified back seat area the car. The area under the hood
was converted to a battery compartment.

If you don't understand the need for switching gear on a Electric
motor used for auto and submarines. you are already out of the
discussion, because you simply don't know enough to participate.

The power off most all transmitting antenna might be measured in
Kilowatts, but the best receiving antenna only pick up a few
millivolts at best.

It takes power to amplify these weak RF signals even to drive a
speaker. I built several different xtal receivers as a kid, and have
a good deal of knowledge about power generation, and radios and
amplifiers, and how they work.

I suggest you stop listening to crackpots and the nonsense they
spout.

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[Happy Oyster]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
<joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In 1908 Tesla stopped by the local radio shack(electronics supplys)
>and purchased wire,copper rods and electron tubes and assembled them
>in side a 4"x6"x18' wooden box.When he got to the place to put on his
>exibition he used this box to replace the battery. he sit it in the
>passenger seat and hooked it up to the motor terminals.It opperated on
>No fuel at all no chemical reaction at all just amplification of RF
>frequency using the body of the car as the antenna.After adjusting the
>rods he said we have power.He drove the car up to 80miles per hour and
>it remained ready to go till a week later he pulled his box out of
>play because the press called it witchcraft!
>
>*Tesla's pierce/arrow electric car*

That is crap.

[Bob Officer]

>> >This guy designed and built a hydrogen cell that can keep electric
>> >cars up and running endlessly with only the expense of water!
>>
>> How much energy does it take to separate the Hydrogen from the
>> Oxygen?
>>
>> Right now the best process takes exactly the same amount of energy
>> you get from burning hydrogen. Then you must "dry the hydrogen,
>> compress it and store it. Transport it, Pump it into smaller tanks.
>> Since Hydrogen Gas is very explosive (much more so than Gasoline,
>> special care must be taken when hydrogen is transported, stored or
>> used.
>>
>> I wish idiots would stop and consider this before than make asses out
>> of themselves.
>>
>> Hydrogen isn't free to produce, it takes energy. Since there is no
>> such thing as a lossless system,  Ergo it isn't free energy.
>>
>> Stupid people might fall for that, but thinking people Do not.
>

>That's the official story but not the truth.
>The truth is that anybody who comes up with an invention that would
>stop reliance on fossil fuels is shut down.

Well Carole since you are so smart why do you clue us in and tell
everyone how easy it is to separate hydrogen from oxygen, and how to
escape the heat losses while doing so.

>But since bob is establishment pawn, he only follows the official
>policy - a waste of time having him in any discussion, just goes round
>in circles.

Try actually coming up with a something rather than attacking the
messenger.

No Scheme I have ever seen actually worked. Generating hydrogen takes
energy. Usually lots of energy. Unless you have a free source of
energy to start with no hydrogen powered engine operates for free.

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[joeturn]

On Mar 24, 7:11 pm, Happy Oyster <*@*.*> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla%27s_Pierce-Arrow

[joeturn]

> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla%27s_Pierce-Arrow- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

http://cubanology.com/home/sciencesimple/2011/05/25/nikola-tesla-the-forgotten-genius/

[Bob Officer]

Nonsense repeated is still nonsense...

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[joeturn]

> >> >> >> carolewww.conspiracee.com-Hidequotedtext -

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I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.
Well I might add that the reason these conditions are incurable is
that the human body is continuosly being poisoned by big industry.
The aluminun industry produces flouride chemicals and they dump this
out on the population via drinking water,chemtrails and tainted crops.

They think that if they force the people to consume it ,s the safest
way to dispose of it.Feed them cake comes to mind.

But I would like to address your problem of free energy consuming more
energy that it produces. Well that is not the case. As again Tesla has
demonstrated that RF frequency convertor boxes can produce lots more
energy to power the electric car using an electric motor.

That same RF converter box can seperate water molecules into hydrogen
and oxygen faster than a combustible engine can burn it.

The problem again is Big Industry like REA for instance as JP Morgan
says you cant put a meter on it.

Opec would go bankrupt and the wars for oil will be obsolete. We need
wars to help kill off the population and we need Cancers to kill off
the people whose ability to pay taxes has deminished.You know the ones
the old retired,disabled,non productive people that have loss their
ability to fight off desease! If they cant afford the medicine they
need to be knocked in the head,is the ruling elites frame of mind.The
New Wourld Order first commandment is to keep the population to a
minimum of 500,000 people world wide this will weed out all the free
loaders.

Bill Gates recommended they do it with medicine.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=bill+gates+co2

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:fef8c0db-a591-436e...@9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:

> I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
> incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.

Mind explaining to me how a 2200-year-old Egyptian mummy had cancer?
http://tinyurl.com/85ewqe7
--
Chiropractors are notorious for making treatment claims about
chiropractic care that go well beyond the limits of our
supportive data, whereas other professionals do not.
Consequently, it is the chiropractor who looks like, and
subsequently deserves to be called, an amateurish, unscientific
huckster.
- David Seaman

[joeturn]

On Mar 25, 12:04 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:fef8c0db-a591-436e...@9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
> > incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.
>

> Mind explaining to me how a 2200-year-old Egyptian mummy had cancer?http://tinyurl.com/85ewqe7

> --
> Chiropractors are notorious for making treatment claims about
> chiropractic care that go well beyond the limits of our
> supportive data, whereas other professionals do not.
> Consequently, it is the chiropractor who looks like, and
> subsequently deserves to be called, an amateurish, unscientific
> huckster.
> - David Seaman

Looks like the poor guy had a blueberry deficiency..Had he only known
the right diet could have prevented and cured his condition!.

Without Chemtrails,Monsantos,and flouride in his drinking water he
could have noticed a miracilous recover after only a few bowls of
blueberries!

[Steelclaws]

joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:b4abe4a1-567b-40b6...@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 25, 12:04 am, Steelclaws <tenquidn...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote

>> innews:fef8c0db-a591-436e-b616-9209
> d235...@9g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> > I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
>> > incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.
>>
>> Mind explaining to me how a 2200-year-old Egyptian mummy had
>> cancer?http:
> //tinyurl.com/85ewqe7
>> --
>> Chiropractors are notorious for making treatment claims about
>> chiropractic care that go well beyond the limits of our
>> supportive data, whereas other professionals do not.
>> Consequently, it is the chiropractor who looks like, and
>> subsequently deserves to be called, an amateurish, unscientific
>> huckster.
>> - David Seaman
>
> Looks like the poor guy had a blueberry deficiency..Had he only known
> the right diet could have prevented and cured his condition!.
>
> Without Chemtrails,Monsantos,and flouride in his drinking water he
> could have noticed a miracilous recover after only a few bowls of
> blueberries!

Lol - pretty good Poe you had going there, but you quite lost it in the
last metres. ;-)

--
In an age when you're considered smug if you know something,
all sorts of idiocy is allowed to flourish. In fact, the idiots
somehow think they're wiser entirely because they don't know
anything, or anything conventional at any rate.
- H. Mount

[Happy Oyster]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:52:50 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
<joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
>incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.
> Well I might add that the reason these conditions are incurable is
>that the human body is continuosly being poisoned by big industry.

That is bullshit. Cancer existed long before the industrial revolution.

[George152]

On 3/25/2012 5:24 PM, joeturn wrote:
> Looks like the poor guy had a blueberry deficiency..Had he only known
> the right diet could have prevented and cured his condition!. Without
> Chemtrails,Monsantos,and flouride in his drinking water he could have
> noticed a miracilous recover after only a few bowls of blueberries!

Pure insanity on the hoof

[Steelclaws]

George152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in news:nOednfEJgexp7
_LSnZ2dnUV...@giganews.com:

That's got to be a Poe.

--
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one:
'Lord, make my enemies ridiculous!' And God granted it.
- Voltaire

[Bob Officer]

Every amateur radio operator knows who Tesla was, and how his
inventions work, Sadly he made a wrong turn someplace and forgot some
basic physics. The Power of a transmitted signal drops by the inverse
square each time the distance doubles between the receiving stations.

Thus if one measures the power of a signal at one mile and gets a
one, then at 2 miles the power will be 1/4. The power drop by the
inverse square. triple the distance the power drops by 1/16 four
time the distance the power drops by 1/64.

The rest of the nonsense about ground waves is pure Ignorance.

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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[Bob Officer]

>I know you were about to tell us that CANCER is a name given to an
>incurable desease by the pharmacuticle industry.

Wow! Why would I say that? I had cancer it was cured.

I really think you need to get a refund on that mind reading class
you took.

> Well I might add that the reason these conditions are incurable is
>that the human body is continuosly being poisoned by big industry.
>The aluminun industry produces flouride chemicals and they dump this
>out on the population via drinking water,chemtrails and tainted crops.
>
>They think that if they force the people to consume it ,s the safest
>way to dispose of it.Feed them cake comes to mind.

Nice diversion, Joe. you really need to focus.

>But I would like to address your problem of free energy consuming more
>energy that it produces. Well that is not the case. As again Tesla has
>demonstrated that RF frequency convertor boxes can produce lots more
>energy to power the electric car using an electric motor.

No he didn't.

>That same RF converter box can seperate water molecules into hydrogen
>and oxygen faster than a combustible engine can burn it.

That isn't how his box is purported to work. Did you even read the
many articles which all point back the say none authoritative source?
Do you understand what a post hoc fallacy is? And no matter how many
times a post hoc fallacy is repeated it doesn't make it true.

>The problem again is Big Industry like REA for instance as JP Morgan
>says you cant put a meter on it.
>
>Opec would go bankrupt and the wars for oil will be obsolete. We need
>wars to help kill off the population and we need Cancers to kill off
>the people whose ability to pay taxes has deminished.You know the ones
>the old retired,disabled,non productive people that have loss their
>ability to fight off desease! If they cant afford the medicine they
>need to be knocked in the head,is the ruling elites frame of mind.The
>New Wourld Order first commandment is to keep the population to a
>minimum of 500,000 people world wide this will weed out all the free
>loaders.

Nonsense. When I had my cancer I was a young person. Young people get
cancers all the time.

>
>Bill Gates recommended they do it with medicine.
>
>http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=bill+gates+co2

Videos? I don't do videos.


and why would I even use a search for a video? If you can't point to
any specific proof or evidence?

--
Bob Officer
I used to wonder just what a "calcium deficient idiot" was, and now I know
"I don't need to know the breakdown chains to know when
I am calcium deficient idiot." Carole Hubbard

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