Nude reiki master attunements
Dennis Wright
students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki network
announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the atteumnement
for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was that clothes
work block the reiki attunement.
I am please to say she refused.
I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the Reiki
network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain standards.
Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
I looh forward to hearing your response.
Nameste
Dennis Reiki Master/teacher
e-mail me at Re...@breathemail.net
Charoseth
block reiki, sell it to the cops!
There are people out there again and again, who will misuse the reiki
initiation or the treatment to fullfill their long festering needs of
unsatiated sexual desires. They can only be pitied, but IMO anyone STUPID
enough to fall for that has no business in the professional Reiki world yet
either. You simply must not be so naive to swallow everything they put on
your plate.
--
Gabriel
http://welcome.to/gabrielsgardens
http://fly.to/reikiworld
Hans Versteegt
Hi Dennis,
A long time ago in this NG there was a similar story. I don't know if
my 'archive' has it, but I'll look into it.
As I recall, that thread had about the same wordings, blocking the
Reiki energy etc.
My comments ?
Clothes blocking the energy ? Poor quality energy that is.
Harmony,
Hans.
ukdena
"Dennis Wright" <den...@breathemail.net> wrote:
> I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my
female
> students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki
network
> announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the
atteumnement
> for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was that
clothes
> work block the reiki attunement.
>
entire procedure and no matter what kind of physical sensation you feel-
--it is part of the process..." ;-) . Sexual predators come in the
guise of everyone: doctors, dentists, Reiki Masters, priests, the next
door neighbor.........Pity the guy that would attempt that one on me.
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
Charoseth
<<Pity the guy that would attempt that one on me.
speak for yourself sister... and send him my way. Oh wouldn't I just LOVE to
attune him back!! That would be an experience he would never forget, but
alas he won't be able to remember, because because he won't have anything
left to remember it with. heeheehee
Of course I mean that in a caring way.... (mad laughter)
Stuart Vernon
<grin>
I'm going to enjoy this thread ... :)
Dennis Wright wrote:
> I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my
> female students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki
> network announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the
> atteumnement for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was
> that clothes work block the reiki attunement.
1. Nude attunements are not a requirement of the Usui System of Natural Healing
2. There /are/ sexual predators (and not confined to the Reiki sphere) out there with
their own agenda
3. You won't find /any/ in the Reiki Network (their teaching criteria and standards
are probably more stringent than those of the Alliance themselves) [cue Reiki Wars]
4. The reason "clothes work [presumably "would"] block the reiki attunement" is obviously
a communications failure between one or more parties (yourself included). The Reiki
Network makes no such assertion
5. The Reiki Network considers 3A as more than an attunement and makes that
distinction between same and "initiation" .. a ceremony .. a rite .. a rebirth .. which
focusses the 3D mind .. there is a lot more to it ...
6. It is a beautiful ceremony
> I am please to say she refused.
Her choice ...
> I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the
> Reiki network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain standards.
See above ...
> Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
Yes, David ... I am one of those ... and very pleased to be so .. ;)
> I looh forward to hearing your response.
I look forward to your reply ...
For bedtime reading, may I suggest http://www.parama.com/NAKED.HTM written
by the founder of the Reiki Network ... maybe think about some of those hangups
which prevent one from being oneself .. and while you're there, have a browse
around the site ... gain a little insight into the issues ..
> Nameste
>
> Dennis Reiki Master/teacher
I can sell you a spell-checker ... cheep ... ;)
Stuart
Vanessa
stop in the big cities I guess it has stretched to encompass more. Been
there. (BTW, I refused too) If anyone saw the movie 'Fame' with Coco's
audition. Glad that you're friend refused. It's sad that there are those
that will prey upon the eager.
My best wishes to the RM.
Blessed Be,
Vanessa
Dennis Wright <den...@breathemail.net> wrote in message
news:3747...@news1.vip.uk.com...
> I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my female
> students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki network
> announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the atteumnement
> for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was that clothes
> work block the reiki attunement.
>
> I am please to say she refused.
>
> I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the
Reiki
> network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain standards.
>
> Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
>
> I looh forward to hearing your response.
>
Charoseth
> by the founder of the Reiki Network ... maybe think about some of those
hangups
> which prevent one from being oneself .. and while you're there, have a
browse
> around the site ... gain a little insight into the issues ..
This might turn out to be an interesting thread after all!
Hi Stuart,
you know there are quite a lot of things I did and a lot of things I do,
some of them would bring blushes to your face. But being myself has never
been influenced by what I do or choose not to do. I am myself every single
day, nude or otherwise... Choosing to be nude or clothed isn't necessarily a
sign of freedom or a hangup. not necessarily...
Now if someone chooses to include nudity in a Reiki attuement it is fine
with me, but it is only fair to say that this is a personal touch, and not a
requirement of Reiki systems. We do not ask people to remove their plaster
casts either, when treating a fracture do we?
And I daresay you know quite well that there are many out there who do not
honour the Goddess and the Horned One with nudity, but rather profane them
with sexual tapdancing. Do you know what I mean?
Charoseth
Charoseth
Stuart Vernon
> > For bedtime reading, may I suggest http://www.parama.com/NAKED.HTM
> the link you probably refer to is http://www.parama.com/naturism.htm
Thanks for the redirection Gabriel .. I sucked the site down a good few months
ago ... the page I referred to may no longer exist ..
> This might turn out to be an interesting thread after all!
<grin>
> you know there are quite a lot of things I did and a lot of things I do,
> some of them would bring blushes to your face.
Not me, matey ... I've seen the negatives ... and I know the man who has them .. :)
> But being myself has never been influenced by what I do or choose
> not to do. I am myself every single day, nude or otherwise... Choosing
> to be nude or clothed isn't necessarily a sign of freedom or a hangup.
> not necessarily...
Choosing is not a sign of freedom? Or do we have a choice?
> Now if someone chooses to include nudity in a Reiki attuement it is fine
> with me, but it is only fair to say that this is a personal touch
Of course it is ... this is the Reiki Network way .. [ummm ... I'm not an evangelist
here ... :) ]
> .. and not a requirement of Reiki systems.
Indeed not ... and I /did/ indeed say that ...
> And I daresay you know quite well that there are many out there who do
> not honour the Goddess and the Horned One with nudity, but rather profane
> them with sexual tapdancing. Do you know what I mean?
Raised energy (so I am told) ... but the concept of nudity (or even semi-nudity,
a la bikini) has much to do with self-worth, self-esteem .. these issues are more
damaging to the psyche (and, ultimately, those upstairs) because they are
triggered externally (but the internal belief system has already capitulated into
that 'fact') and the self-control aspect is lost ..
Stuart
Vanessa
Should I or any other not choose to go the reiki way? I chose reiki (or did
it choose me?) for a number of reasons. Strict teaching from both mother
and grandmother and also threats of God may have been what stopped me from
allowing it (just realized that meant both reiki and stripping for someone
promising grandeur). I was tired of falling for other power trips also and
wanted my own personal power back as well as to empower and help others.
Should people not choose reiki if they have been weak or foolish? Healing
is needed at different times and different reasons. Being a R/M, does it
ensure that you would not allow another to weaken you unwittingly even if
you have your mastership? Does it promise strength and foresight at all
times? Doing ritual in the nude is something that is Wicca and would not
seem strange to a wicca practitioner (they believe that clothes do block the
energy and that rituals should be done as you were naturally born) who did
not know it was not necessary for reiki. This is also how abuse is
continued a little becomes a lot and allowed.
What happened to this AHR? People have their foolish expectations or may
be drawn in by the power tripping R/M. No need to be rejected once again or
called a fool or is reiki for the elite?
Blessed Be,
Vanessa
PS: I was at your website, very beautiful, informative
Charoseth <shi...@debitel.net> wrote in message
news:7i8im3$3l4$2...@news.dnsg.net...
> There is no such thing as a necessity for nude attunements. If anything
can
> block reiki, sell it to the cops!
>
> There are people out there again and again, who will misuse the reiki
> initiation or the treatment to fullfill their long festering needs of
> unsatiated sexual desires. They can only be pitied, but IMO anyone STUPID
> enough to fall for that has no business in the professional Reiki world
yet
> either. You simply must not be so naive to swallow everything they put on
> your plate.
>
Rexliz60
work their Circles skyclad, or nude. This is a Gardnerian and Sander
proclivity which claims that clothes bar the flow of energy -- which is amusing
considering energy flows through the entire planet uninpeded. I seriously
doubt that energy finds it hard to flow through clothing! I am pleased that
she said a firm no to such an idea.
Love and Light,
Dr. King
Charoseth
<<What happened to this AHR? People have their foolish expectations or may
<<be drawn in by the power tripping R/M. No need to be rejected once again
or
<<called a fool or is reiki for the elite?
Hi Vanessa, Silly beans :-))
First of all I have NOTHING against nudity, the old religion (for apparent
reasons) or anything else in that direction. And no, I am not Wicca, but I
have been a "witch-child" from my very early childhood days, before Starhawk
wrote her books. And I have nothing agaist sex either. Indeed I was
actually created by sex. Period. Let's try to keep the discussion on
necessary attunement modalities and natural life style separate.
If anyone enjoys skyclad events and whatever that is perfectly FINE. But if
someone doesn't for whatever reason it is fine too. Everybody goes from
birth to death the best way he can. So if someone is inhibited, then respect
the inhibition, till he or she decide that inhibitions are really a pain in
the derrière. So to speak...
Ok, and with all respect, Wiccans may /believe/ that clothing impedes the
flow of energy, but belief isn't necessarily truth. While some garments,
shoes especially, have /protective/ qualities, I have never been unable to
cross the boundaries of my clothing if I chose to do so. Clothes are no
more than an illusory impediment.
I have somethig against people who come over as RM and use the attunement to
get a leg over. It has been done and is being done, and I do not mean the
Reiki Network. There are people who say that making love or blowing into the
vagina is an integral part of the attunement and I will do my best to stamp
out this nonsense.
Now the thing I meant when I wrote, that someone who falls for this kind of
charlatan has no business in Reiki Teaching (teaching!) is that you should
have learned to discern between sincere teachers and impostors on the
Esoteric Broadway.
The question isn't WHAT they do, but HOW and WHY they do what they do. There
is a taste to sincerity and there is a taste to everything else. There are
people out there leading their students to be dependant on them, little
power plays and intimidation (if you change masters you will get ill!) are
still rampant. It sucks!
Even if I thought that an attunee should be nude, if he or seh decided not
to be, I would withhold my judgement and be satisfied with the fact that he
or she is at least accepting reiki. And Reiki helps people change. No let me
rephrase that. People are ok, but Reiki makes it easier for them to show
this.
Again, I said only that people who fall for charlatans shouldn't go out and
teach. Yet. Now that I read this sentence again, I would like to add, that
anyone who thinks an attunement can only be done in a certain way should
perhaps try to learn, that it can be done in many many ways, not only your
own favorite style. Reiki is for people not vice versa. IMO the attunee must
feel secure and at ease, after all they are trusting you very very much.
Trust should not be betrayed.
blessed be and walk in health,
Gabriel
Charoseth
> Not me, matey ... I've seen the negatives ... and I know the man who has
them .. :)
Whatever are you talking about??? (wicked grin) I meant QUITE something
else, I' sure.
> Choosing is not a sign of freedom? Or do we have a choice?
semantics! Read what I WROTE! </choosing nudity of clothing versus freedom
or hangup/>
So: nudity does not equal freedom, clothing does not equal hangups.
HA! Talk about hangups... the NERVE! :-))) You watch out for that shadow
lurking in the alley behind your house. I might feel inclined to give you a
/serious/ talking to about hangups. You haven't seen me in black leather
yet. ( the most maddestest, heinious and quite insane laughter)
Gabes
Chris Littrell
Stuart Vernon wrote in message ...
>
>> > For bedtime reading, may I suggest http://www.parama.com/NAKED.HTM
>
>> the link you probably refer to is http://www.parama.com/naturism.htm
>
>
Nice article
Chris
Level II
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2785/
Dennis Wright
usually OK only the fingers are dyslexic.
As A wiccan and a RM. I have no problems with sky clad initiations, only the
use Reiki as a tool for their obsessions. The Master spoken about is female
and was a member of the Reiki Network - so much for upholding standards
(dual). My student got very frightened because she kept on insisting on the
nude attunement. This has resulted in her refusing to contact her now
ex-master ever again.
No matter what a master thinks is right we MUST consider the feelings of our
students first
As on correspondent on this group once said
"A Reiki master is someone who is not afraid to learn from their students.
Blessed be
Nametse
Dennis
Stuart Vernon <st...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.19990523...@sandy.compulink.co.uk...
>
> <grin>
>
> I'm going to enjoy this thread ... :)
>
> Dennis Wright wrote:
>
> > I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my
> > female students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the
Reiki
> > network announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the
> > atteumnement for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was
> > that clothes work block the reiki attunement.
>
> 1. Nude attunements are not a requirement of the Usui System of Natural
Healing
> 2. There /are/ sexual predators (and not confined to the Reiki sphere) out
there with
> their own agenda
> 3. You won't find /any/ in the Reiki Network (their teaching criteria and
standards
> are probably more stringent than those of the Alliance themselves)
[cue Reiki Wars]
> 4. The reason "clothes work [presumably "would"] block the reiki
attunement" is obviously
> a communications failure between one or more parties (yourself
included). The Reiki
> Network makes no such assertion
> 5. The Reiki Network considers 3A as more than an attunement and makes
that
> distinction between same and "initiation" .. a ceremony .. a rite .. a
rebirth .. which
> focusses the 3D mind .. there is a lot more to it ...
> 6. It is a beautiful ceremony
>
> > I am please to say she refused.
>
> Her choice ...
>
> > I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the
> > Reiki network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain
standards.
>
> See above ...
>
> > Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
>
> Yes, David ... I am one of those ... and very pleased to be so .. ;)
>
> > I looh forward to hearing your response.
>
> I look forward to your reply ...
>
> For bedtime reading, may I suggest http://www.parama.com/NAKED.HTM written
> by the founder of the Reiki Network ... maybe think about some of those
hangups
> which prevent one from being oneself .. and while you're there, have a
browse
> around the site ... gain a little insight into the issues ..
>
WolfReiki
Since there is no reason to even thing that the energy is blocked in any manner
from clothing.
All treatments are done fully clothed...duh.
I have as have others i am sure done reiki through things a lot dencer then
cloth, such as plaster cast and wooden or metal chairs.
Those tactic are the very tactic s that law inforcement agencies would love to
get there hands on, like those in texas that are making the big move to take
reiki aways from the average person and limit it to those trainned by the
Allience etc.
You all better put your rose colored glasses down and stand up for some basic
rules or yyou will lose the right to do reiki before you can say it three
times.
I have met too many women who were abused with those sexual perverts claiming
to have to do things they had no business doing to just say Oh it is Ok. It is
not Ok.
Namaste'
ShadowWolf
Global Reiki Masters Association
http://reiki.net/GRMA4all.html
Stuart Vernon
Wolf wrote:
> Nude attunements being made the rule is a serious breach of ethics in
> my book.
Let's get a few things straight here, Wolfie ...
I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
a scam [cue Roger] ... ;)
I can't speak for anyone else who may split the Masters in a similar way, but
the Reiki Network considers this as more of a personal development stage ..
> Since there is no reason to even thing that the energy is blocked in
> any manner from clothing.
> All treatments are done fully clothed...duh.
> I have as have others i am sure done reiki through things a lot dencer
> then cloth, such as plaster cast and wooden or metal chairs.
We know that ... going over old ground here ...
> Those tactic are the very tactics that law inforcement agencies would
> love to get there hands on, like those in texas that are making the big move to
> take reiki aways from the average person and limit it to those trainned by
> the Allience etc.
Your tax dollars at work ...
> You all better put your rose colored glasses down and stand up for some
> basic rules or yyou will lose the right to do reiki before you can say it
> three times.
Getting off topic now?
> I have met too many women who were abused with those sexual perverts
> claiming to have to do things they had no business doing to just say Oh it is
> Ok. It is not Ok.
No .. it is not OK .. but watch where you're slapping that tar-brush ...
> Namaste'
> ShadowWolf
You too mate .. :)
Stuart
Janice F.
WolfReiki <wolf...@aol.comlive> wrote in message
news:19990524160004...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> Nude attunements being made the rule is a serious breach of ethics in my
book.
I was going to stay out of this, but I have to say I'm with you on this one.
Of course if we are talking an educated choice here it is a different story,
but it scares me to think that there are people out there telling anyone
that nudity is a requirement, requirement being a key word here. I don't
see how witchcraft practices figure into this at all. And what about the
multiplication factor. Classes of people thinking they need to be attuned
while naked, how many will forgo the opportunity, and how many will be
forever scarred when they find out they've been had? I for one think things
like Reiki are getting to be a more accepted and much needed option for
people. How far back would this kind of thing send us? There's a place for
everything, but there's never an excuse to lie to people and take advantage.
I'd hate for anyone searching around for information to think that we
condone such a practice. Lying and taking advantage (which I think is the
issue here) to people is not OK. I guess this is 3 cents worth.
Yours in light and love, Janice
WolfReiki
>Let's get a few things straight here, Wolfie ..
>I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
>a scam [cue Roger] ... ;)
>I can't speak for anyone else who may split the Masters in a similar way, but
>the Reiki Network considers this as more of a personal development stage ..
>
This may have upset you and maybe some others but it is my personal opinion
which is based on the way the 3A is presented to the people as a seperate
attunement and that they need to receive another attunement in order to do the
initiation.
That my friend is a bald faced lie. A mis truth. Totally false.
Unfortuantely there is no way for the unsuspecting person to know because they
have not been given the information to figure it out for themselves.
As for what the reiki Network thinks I would remind you and all that they are
merely a small group of Reiki Masters that agree to do things in their way.
That does not make what they do correct or proper or truthful.
Now if a group decided to simply say we will give you the Master attunement
but not the information for initiations but you can then come pay us more
for the information I guess that would be more honest.
But they will not do that because they know the information is readily
available on the internet and in books so they make a false claim that they are
doing additional attunements to fully empower.
Now they cando as they like and make all the claims they choose to make and I
can tell it like I see it also.
I can also prove to any Reiki level 3A they do not need another attunement and
can save
all that money.
Can the reiki Network prove me wrong?
Not in this lifetime they can't.
Now as for the post I made about "Nude" attunements etc.
I expressed my views on it, I did not mention any group, I think I was clear
that I think Anyone who demands that or even suggest it to people looking for
Initiations is perverted and improper.
Now of course if someone is a part of some nudiest camp group and wants to do a
Reiki session there I imagine it is just fine, but then they would not have to
say anything either because no one would be dressed anyhow.
Maybe in some areas there is no movement to control reiki but in the States
there is by several groups that have monitasry motivies and caution is needed.
I spoke about this very thing years ago and now it has happened in several
states.
As everyone likes to say, each has their way to teach and do reiki and I have
mine.
Fiona McCallion
This is an interesting thread, isn't it? One *could* join it to the
other thread on Diane Stein's Essential Reiki ...
Diane's truth is that masters and potential masters have to do "those
exercises" ;) In her book - both literal and figurative - the exercises
are not just "ok" but "de rigeur". This is *her* truth, though it isn't
mine :) Nor is it my truth that attunements should be taken in the nude
... but for *some* of wiccan persuasion, it may be. We don't know, what
we're doing here is making a judgement from our *own* truths, not from
theirs. If I had really thought that I had to do Diane's exercises, I
would never have gone for mastery ... ditto for naked attunements. But
there are many out there who have done either or both - happily - and
gained a great deal from the kind of practises that I wouldn't give
house room.
Those having been trained by the Network are obviously happy to have
taken the 3A level between 2 and 3, which I also wouldn't give house
room. But I respect their choice to have taken it.
Are we drawing a line here? Absolutely, as Gabriel so delicately puts
it, Reiki shouldn't be used as an excuse for a legover under duress -
but it's *duress" that's the operative word. There seems to be an
assumption that getting naked implies all *sorts* of things that are not
necessarily so. The skyclad tradition came from a time when most people
only had one set of clothes - sacred ceremonies were to be performed in
clothes especially kept for that purpose and no other. Hence, the
condition described as "skyclad" - clothed in the sky - for those who
had no others. A Reiki attunement is a sacred ceremony and it may be
that this particular master extrapolated from her own spiritual
practice. Let's not jump to conclusions here.
That the student in question was unhappy and traumatised is deplorable.
*That's* the point, no other. But *that*, imo, isn't anything to do
with whether the master was practicing Reiki or not. It has to do with
communication and choice.
Love and bright blessings
Fiona
URL: http://www.coerdelion.demon.co.uk
Stuart Vernon wrote:
>
> Wolf wrote:
>
> > Nude attunements being made the rule is a serious breach of ethics in
> > my book.
>
> Let's get a few things straight here, Wolfie ...
>
> I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
> a scam [cue Roger] ... ;)
>
> I can't speak for anyone else who may split the Masters in a similar way, but
> the Reiki Network considers this as more of a personal development stage ..
>
CHAMUNDI
one. Sex is just a biological function of the body. Neither is any big deal but
people give them significance based on nothing but their imagination.
BB, bH
Chamundi
lisa
supposed RM was also a registered sex offender... this sounds extremely
suspicious!
lisa
Dennis Wright wrote:
>
> I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my female
> students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki network
> announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the atteumnement
> for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was that clothes
> work block the reiki attunement.
>
> I am please to say she refused.
>
> I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the Reiki
> network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain standards.
>
> Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
>
> I looh forward to hearing your response.
>
> Nameste
>
> Dennis Reiki Master/teacher
>
> e-mail me at Re...@breathemail.net
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lisa
actually the link above links to
http://www.parama.com/naked.htm
if you type NAKED.HTM it (my puter at least) gives a no URL message.
lisa
who is naked under her clothes all the time ;-)
lisa
> I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
> a scam [cue Roger] ... ;)
If Usui himself only defined three levels of Reiki, what do you think he
would have called level 3A? My guess is that it would have included the
word "kuso."
Can't you be content to agree that nudity is not part of the
attunement??? Your attack of Wolf's prior and unrelated opinion truly
befuddles me.
bb
lisa
NECD
Hello Dennis,
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the group here.
I'm a Level 2. The first thing I was taught in regard to a Level 2 was that
a Distant Healing (or however one chooses to name it) goes through
everything.
This be building, stone. iron, across water, earth, channels, and I'll tell
you something:
I've personally tried it going through car tunnels under water (under
canals), I've tried it hundreds of feet under the earth in a mine in Wales,
now will someone please explain simply, why it should not pass through (the
mostly synthetic clothing :-))) ) of nowadays??
I hope this is helpful to you as a personal experience for others where you
are.
Kindest Regards,
Wombat
Dennis Wright <den...@breathemail.net> wrote in message
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Psiadam
Just my penny worth......with the original post that started this ball
rolling.....
did the lady in question know before hand that the RM would ask her to remove
her clothes for the attunement?
David:-)
Stuart Vernon
lisa wrote:
> > > the link you probably refer to is http://www.parama.com/naturism.htm
>
> actually the link above links to http://www.parama.com/naked.htm
>
> if you type NAKED.HTM it (my puter at least) gives a no URL message.
true ... i was looking at the url from my cache archive which changed everything
to upper case .. damn computers ...
> lisa
> who is naked under her clothes all the time ;-)
<grin>
stuart
Stuart Vernon
lisa wrote:
> If Usui himself only defined three levels of Reiki, what do you think he
> would have called level 3A? My guess is that it would have included the
> word "kuso."
Which means?
> Can't you be content to agree that nudity is not part of the
> attunement???
If you read my post of 23 May 1999 20:38:07 GMT in this thread, you
will see that I said exactly that as my very first point ..
> Your attack of Wolf's prior and unrelated opinion truly
> befuddles me.
Attack??? Where???
Stuart
D/A Fischer
and themselves. The student has the responsibility to be honest
with their RM and themselves. If an RM chooses to do attunements
in the nude, so be it.........but they should make it clear that this
is their own particular tradition on the attunement process, that it
is not *necessary*. The student needs to discuss any inhibitions
about any attuenment rituals that they feel uneasy with. If you and
your RM cannot come to an agreement on what each is comfortable
with, then they need to go their separate ways, understanding
that maybe their paths have been realized and there is no longer any
need to remain together. Any RM who *insists* or *intimidates*
a student, IMO, is not a true teacher. Any student who remains in
the tuteledge (sp?) of an instructor they do not respect or trust, is
asking for whatever they get (not in a spiteful way, but in a learning
way). Anyone need a used soapbox? Real cheap!
Love and Light, Gypsyfisch
Dennis Wright wrote:
>
> As A wiccan and a RM. I have no problems with sky clad initiations, only the
> use Reiki as a tool for their obsessions. The Master spoken about is female
> and was a member of the Reiki Network - so much for upholding standards
> (dual). My student got very frightened because she kept on insisting on the
> nude attunement. This has resulted in her refusing to contact her now
> ex-master ever again.
>
> No matter what a master thinks is right we MUST consider the feelings of our
> students first
>
> As on correspondent on this group once said
> "A Reiki master is someone who is not afraid to learn from their students.
>
> Blessed be
> Nametse
>
> Dennis
>
> Stuart Vernon <st...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.19990523...@sandy.compulink.co.uk...
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> > I'm going to enjoy this thread ... :)
> >
> > Dennis Wright wrote:
> >
> > > I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my
> > > female students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the
> Reiki
> > > network announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the
> > > atteumnement for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was
> > > that clothes work block the reiki attunement.
> >
> > 1. Nude attunements are not a requirement of the Usui System of Natural
> Healing
> > 2. There /are/ sexual predators (and not confined to the Reiki sphere) out
> there with
> > their own agenda
> > 3. You won't find /any/ in the Reiki Network (their teaching criteria and
> standards
> > are probably more stringent than those of the Alliance themselves)
> [cue Reiki Wars]
> > 4. The reason "clothes work [presumably "would"] block the reiki
> attunement" is obviously
> > a communications failure between one or more parties (yourself
> included). The Reiki
> > Network makes no such assertion
> > 5. The Reiki Network considers 3A as more than an attunement and makes
> that
> > distinction between same and "initiation" .. a ceremony .. a rite .. a
> rebirth .. which
> > focusses the 3D mind .. there is a lot more to it ...
> > 6. It is a beautiful ceremony
> >
> > > I am please to say she refused.
> >
> > Her choice ...
> >
> > > I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the
> > > Reiki network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain
> standards.
> >
> > See above ...
> >
> > > Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
> >
> > Yes, David ... I am one of those ... and very pleased to be so .. ;)
> >
> > > I looh forward to hearing your response.
> >
wisewoman
<fi...@coerdelion.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Stuart and all :)
>
> This is an interesting thread, isn't it? One *could* join it to the
> other thread on Diane Stein's Essential Reiki ...
>
> Diane's truth is that masters and potential masters have to do "those
> exercises" ;) In her book - both literal and figurative - the exercises
> are not just "ok" but "de rigeur". This is *her* truth, though it isn't
> mine :)
I never thought
Diane Stein said you had to add the chi kung exercises. she felt it
added to the reiki she was taught, amplified the power of attunements
and had other health benefits. She very much tried to work out Reiki on
chinese medicine/buddhist context( in my opinion)
Other branches of Reiki also hold th hui yin position and hold the
breath.
It does build up some energy within the body.( you are "platforming"
the reiki off your own energy system buildup) It is of course an
add-on and not necessary.Should be obvious you get more of what the
master is and the same amount of reiki!
not sure what that means in terms of karma, overload. etc etc.
Faith
----------------------------------------------------------------
Nor is it my truth that attunements should be taken in the nude
> .... but for *some* of wiccan persuasion, it may be. We don't know, what
> > I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
> > a scam [cue Roger] ... ;)
> >
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lisa
Stuart,
Forgive me if "attack" seemed harsh. Whe you said:
Stuart Vernon wrote:
> I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A level as
> a scam
I read it as being hostile...
my apologies if I misread you.
Charoseth
be a solution to my financial imbalance....
or perhaps SHK shaped sunshades, so you don't have to go through emotional
strain when seeing yourself or others nude....
and of course that brings us to HSZSN spray, to instantly rid yourself of
anyone's presence in the here and now.
the mind fairly boggles, I'd better stop here!
Anahato D. Wallhäusser
you gave a very good explanation and I agree with you that performing
anything nude has nothing to do with fault. It's a question of
agreement and choice of all participants and of the actual
circumstances. And of course the purpose :-)
But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
And if someone says that being nude for an attunement is a necessity,
uhh, that goes far beyond the acceptable or tolerable. It sounds
*very* suspicious.
Love & Blessings, Anahato
--
sowing the seeds of love, Rev. Anahato D. Wallhäusser
free Reiki-Master/Teacher & Urban Shaman, Berg. Gladbach, Germany
Anahato's Reiki-Page: http://fly.to/Anahato (bislang nur in deutsch)
Anahato D. Wallhäusser
>Any student who remains in the tuteledge (sp?) of an instructor they
do >not respect or trust, is asking for whatever they get (not in a
spiteful way, >but in a learning way).
This leads me to the question: Is tutelage ;-) really a necessity, in
any case or at all? And if, how much and how long?
All opinions are appreciated. I think, that's a major question.
OK, I'll start with mine. First, people are different. So I teach in
different ways. That means, it can last several years from level 1 to
master/teacher. Or a separation between master- and teacher-level,
maybe with some counselling meetings inbetween. But it can also mean
to teach the whole system in a few days. Or second and third degree in
one or two. I prefer to teach individual, so I can vary depending on
the personal needs of the individual student and my confidence into my
own competence (that means, I do what I can, what I cannot I don't
claim). After all I'm human, and not a semi-deity :-)
Now, I've opened this can (maybe again) :-) So, what do you all think
of this issue?
CHAMUNDI
(Stuart Vernon) writes:
>> You all better put your rose colored glasses down and stand up for some
>> basic rules or yyou will lose the right to do reiki before you can say it
>> three times.
>
>Getting off topic now?
>
I don't think this is off topic. The complementary field cannot afford conduct
that appears improper. One dodgy reiki master and you find people seeking to
tie up every practitioner (of whatever therapy) in red tape.
BB, bH
Chamundi
Stuart Vernon
Lisa wrote:
> Forgive me if "attack" seemed harsh. Whe you said:
>
> Stuart Vernon wrote:
> > I note from an earlier post of yours today that you consider the 3A
> > level as a scam
>
> I read it as being hostile...
>
> my apologies if I misread you.
None required ... it was probably an unfortunate choice of word, but one
which has a historical significance ... ;)
Stuart
D/A Fischer
I always learn something new from reading your posts!! (Thanks
for the spell-check ;-))
Now, on to your post. By tutelage I mean *any* time spent with
an RM in which you are learning. Whether it is a few days, or a
matter of months/years you are still in the practice of learning
from that RM. With all 3 of my attunements, my RM and I spent
hours before hand and afterward just talking. Covering whatever
subjects came up, not all of them Reiki. Anytime I had a
question she was(is) only a phone call away. Many times she is the
first one I call with *self-revelations* and also with any doubts I
may have because I trust her to respect my views and beliefs
(even when they differ from hers), and she will always tell me the
truth as she sees it, whether I want to hear it or not! And, most
important, when she does give her point of view, she does not expect
me to follow it. She expects me to follow my intuition.
So, yes, for me the learning time is necessary. But does not have to
be all encompassing or last for years. I think it loses something when
the student comes to depend more on the RM than on themselves.
But each situation/student is different and calls for different manner in
which to learn things. Maybe "tutelage" is the wrong word. Does
anyone have a better one?
Love and Light, Gypsyfisch
"Anahato D. Wallhäusser" wrote:
> Dear Gypsyfish,
"THE OWL"
teacher will give you basic understanding, as you are ready for it. (hours,
days, years.) A friend will allow you your space to experience other things,
and be there when you are confused and need help.
--
Good Blessings
" THE OWL "
Anahato D. Wallhäusser wrote in message <7iis6l$ck0$4...@news05.btx.dtag.de>...
>Dear Gypsyfish,
>
>>Any student who remains in the tuteledge (sp?) of an instructor they
>do >not respect or trust, is asking for whatever they get (not in a
>spiteful way, >but in a learning way).
>
ukdena
subject name _Re:Nude reiki master attunements_ I would definitely
read!;-)!!! Let me state my personal position on nudity: I love it!! I
am naked probably more than anyone I know. I do much in the buff:
gardening,swimming and housework etc. All my life people have strongly
suggested that I might consider clothing...;-). When my
sweetheart/husband and I first met he was a bit taken aback by my
*tasteful lack of inhibition*(his words hahah)--now he's a naked one
too! Then, on the other hand, our dirt road has always been well-
groomed by the road crews, the police have often driven by slowly to
*make sure all was ok* etc. So there have been some minor rewards
<LOL>. Years ago I read a book by a wonderful woman in her 80's who
also did all the same things I do nude!
Now to Reiki: I teach Reiki and give REiki treatments fully clothed.
Just my preference ;-)!!LOL THE END (of that particular subject).
I had just switched on the computer and saw the new posts here by
Reverend Anahato and Gypsyfisch. I hurriedly (is that a word?) poured
my a.m. cup of coffee, fed my beloved parrots their fresh veggie
breakfast and here I am. Thank you both so much for an interesting
thread within a thread.
In article <374D3BF8...@digital.net>,
Gypsyfis...@email.com wrote:
> Anahato,
> I always learn something new from reading your posts!! (Thanks
> for the spell-check ;-))
I always learn something from both of you in many areas of human
experience including Reiki.
>Now, on to your post. By tutelage I mean *any* time spent with
> an RM in which you are learning. Whether it is a few days, or a
> matter of months/years you are still in the practice of learning
> from that RM.
Exactly my experience. I was brought to a Reiki Teacher that had all
the qualities that I admired and I hold her opinions (still) in the
highest regard). She lives her life by spiritual principles and that is
most important too me.
With all 3 of my attunements, my RM and I spent
> hours before hand and afterward just talking. Covering whatever
> subjects came up, not all of them Reiki. Anytime I had a
> question she was(is) only a phone call away. Many times she is the
> first one I call with *self-revelations* and also with any doubts I
> may have because I trust her to respect my views and beliefs
> (even when they differ from hers), and she will always tell me the
> truth as she sees it, whether I want to hear it or not! And, most
> important, when she does give her point of view, she does not expect
> me to follow it. She expects me to follow my intuition.
Again dear Gypsyfisch, my experience is exactly the same. My teacher
never suggested, or implyed, that I was to follow her way or take on
her point of view. That is one of the attributes of a good teacher IMO.
> So, yes, for me the learning time is necessary. But does not have to
> be all encompassing or last for years. I think it loses something when
> the student comes to depend more on the RM than on themselves.
The way I was taught, and teach, is that the student learn to trust
Reiki and their intuition. I am always available (by phone, e-mail or
in person)to my students if the seek Reiki help or my opinion on
something. I have never been dependent on my Reiki Master and none of
my students are dependent on me!!! Actually, some warm friendships have
developed with every single one. I hold my Teacher in high regard, she
taught me so much more than Reiki. I kiss her feet whenever I see her.
Aha! Just joking on that one <LOL>. Although I have had teachers (not
Reiki) whose feet I have indeed kissed. Sorry to shake you up Wolf--
it's true! ;-)
> But each situation/student is different and calls for different
manner in> which to learn things.
I agree and have recently found *situations* to be different as well.
Some of my current students choose to have long periods of time between
levels (not for money reasons either). Others will request a shorter
period of time due to moving etc. I haven't reached the point (yet
LOL) where I would Initiate people distantly. However, I am praying for
more open-mindedness on that!;-)
Maybe "tutelage" is the wrong word. Does
> anyone have a better one?
> Love and Light, Gypsyfisch
>
> "Anahato D. Wallhäusser" wrote:
And now to you dear Hato!
> > Dear Gypsyfish,
> > <snip>
> > OK, I'll start with mine. First, people are different. So I teach in
> > different ways.
I always speak of how much I dislike dogma and doctrine. Yet since
subscribing to this ng I have found that I was locked into just that as
far as Reiki went!! Please don't misinterpet this. I still hold to
Reiki is complete within itself. I have no intention of making any
major changes to the way I practice or teach Reiki. However, I now
clearly see (for me) that indeed, "people are different" and I can be
more flexible with that bit of information.
There are many people here who have taught me so much and have helped
me cross the self-imposed *rigid* barrior I had set up. The structure
(ie money amts. and time between Initiations) I had previously used has
gradually been changed due to new ideas I was taught here at ARH. I
thank you all.
That means, it can last several years from level 1
> > master/teacher. Or a separation between master- and teacher-level,
> > maybe with some counselling meetings inbetween. But it can also mean
> > to teach the whole system in a few days. Or second and third degree
in
> > one or two. I prefer to teach individual, so I can vary depending on
> > the personal needs of the individual student and my confidence into
Hato, I now ;-) agree with what you wrote above. I also much prefer to
teach individually, no more than 3 to a class!
May We All Walk in Beauty. ukdena
> > own competence (that means, I do what I can, what I cannot I don't
> > claim). After all I'm human, and not a semi-deity :-)
> >
> > Now, I've opened this can (maybe again) :-) So, what do you all
think
> > of this issue?
> >
> > Love & Blessings, Anahato
> > --
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"Anahato D. Wallhäusser" wrote:
<snip - with respect>
> But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
> clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
>
Is it? If someone is under the strong impression that sacred ceremonies
*must* be performed unclothed it is likely that the flow of Reiki
*would* be blocked, no? Not because of the clothes, but because of the
*person* :) My experience : Reiki isn't blocked by anything except our
own thick heads! ;)
> And if someone says that being nude for an attunement is a necessity,
> uhh, that goes far beyond the acceptable or tolerable. It sounds
> *very* suspicious.
>
Hmmm .... suspicious minds ... :) Consider the possibility that due to
*her* background she believes it ... :)
"THE OWL"
Well said Fiona I agree
D/A Fischer
Love and Light, Gypsyfisch
Anahato D. Wallhäusser
>> But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked
by
>> clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
>>
>
>Is it? If someone is under the strong impression that sacred
ceremonies
>*must* be performed unclothed it is likely that the flow of Reiki
>*would* be blocked, no? Not because of the clothes, but because of
the
>*person* :) My experience : Reiki isn't blocked by anything except
our
>own thick heads! ;)
Of course your right. And I would like to add that "thick heads" also
aren't a necessity for performing Reiki. :-)))
Off with my thick head?
Love & Blessings, Anahato
--
Vanessa
You are truly boggled! And wonderfully so. I am reading stuff in this ng
that is making me laugh so much.
LOL, Blessed Be
Vanessa
Charoseth <shi...@debitel.net> wrote in message
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Vanessa
with preconceived notions (upbringing)?
Blessed Be,
Vanessa
Fiona McCallion <fi...@coerdelion.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:374E3FFB...@coerdelion.demon.co.uk...
> Hi Anahato :)
>
> "Anahato D. Wallhäusser" wrote:
>
> <snip - with respect>
>
> > But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
> > clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
> >
>
> Is it? If someone is under the strong impression that sacred ceremonies
> *must* be performed unclothed it is likely that the flow of Reiki
> *would* be blocked, no? Not because of the clothes, but because of the
> *person* :) My experience : Reiki isn't blocked by anything except our
> own thick heads! ;)
>
>
Anahato D. Wallhäusser
>Isn't a lot of blocks to reiki, seeing guides, beliefs etc. have a
lot to do
>with preconceived notions (upbringing)?
I tend to say "Yes" but honestly I'm not sure if that fits to all
experiences. With Reiki we have sometimes experiences we would never
expect. The very first time I did Reiki on myself (although I was not
attuned at that time) I really questioned that it would work, but
nevertheless my headaches were blown away immediately. It was *very*
surprising. And it motivated me to go the "formal" way, that means
becoming attuned. :-)
Vanessa
(of location of headache). This worked sometimes. Belief that you can do
it goes a long way. I have had headaches since I was a teen (that I can
remember). I was told it was more of my imagination (headaches) until years
later. What I meant by upbringing was that society tends not to teach you
to believe in that, "go to a doctor" is usually what you're told. It's
almost reflex depending on how strong your own convictions are. I don't
think that it fits for all experiences but the reflex/habit of unbelief for
whatever reason can sure be hard to get over.
Blessed Be,
Vanessa
Anahato D. Wallhäusser <Ana...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Anahato D. Wallhäusser
>What I meant by upbringing was that society tends not to teach you
>to believe in that, "go to a doctor" is usually what you're told.
It's
>almost reflex depending on how strong your own convictions are. I
don't
>think that it fits for all experiences but the reflex/habit of
unbelief for
>whatever reason can sure be hard to get over.
I just agree with you. And I believe it's our task to grow beyond our
limited "social programmed beliefs" :-) As you say it, let's get over.
Vanessa
Blessed Be,
Vanessa
Anahato D. Wallhäusser <Ana...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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cryst...@my-deja.com
future female students won;t be subjected to this nonsense? the local
community needs to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Faith
In article <3747...@news1.vip.uk.com>,
"Dennis Wright" <den...@breathemail.net> wrote:
> I recently ran a reiki master workshop, I was alrmed when one of my
female
> students who had completed a master 3A with a memeber of the Reiki
network
> announced theat her previous mmaster had insistened that the
atteumnement
> for masters must be done in the nude. The reason gaiven was that
clothes
> work block the reiki attunement.
>
> I am please to say she refused.
>
> I was alarmed and shocked when I heard of this, particularly when the
Reiki
> network claims to to uphold the Reiki ideals and maintain standards.
>
> Has anyone else heard of of this method of attunement being used?
>
> I looh forward to hearing your response.
>
> Nameste
>
> Dennis Reiki Master/teacher
>
> e-mail me at Re...@breathemail.net
>
>
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Judy Rigby
>> I am actually considering, whether the introduction of CKR g-strings might
>> be a solution to my financial imbalance....
>>
Definitely. Go for it. You'll need outworkers when you go into
production. I've got a sewing machine. And a financial imbalance ;)
--
Peace. And all Good !
Judy
http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk/
WolfReiki
><snip - with respect>
>
>> But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
>> clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
>Fiona McCallion <fi...@coerdelion.demon.co.uk> responds with
>Is it? If someone is under the strong impression that sacred ceremonies
>*must* be performed unclothed it is likely that the flow of Reiki
>*would* be blocked, no? Not because of the clothes, but because of the
>*person* :) My experience : Reiki isn't blocked by anything except our
>own thick heads! ;)
I would agree if the flow were within the control of the person. But it isn't.
No one can or does control where the reiki will windup.
{no matter how hard they try}
Fiona :
>Hmmm .... suspicious minds ... :) Consider the possibility that due to
>*her* background she believes it ... :)
>
Or perhaps just desire it? For personal pleasure.
On other list I have seen women complain they had passes made at them by this
teacher. Now I was not there so I can not say one way or the other but I see no
reason to doubt that it happens. {it does happen in lots of classes afterall
regardless of sexual preferences}
so if there is no need for nudity, and anyt master knows that, then why oh why
create a "false" need if it is not a personal need?
Shucks.no one likes looking at women more them I do, nude or clothed actually.
Women are beautiful.
But we do have standards of conduct.
I think the whole point is to verify nudity is not needed.
ShadowWolf
Global Reiki Masters Association
http://reiki.net/GRMA4all.html
WolfReiki
>Isn't a lot of blocks to reiki, seeing guides, beliefs etc. have a lot to do
>with preconceived notions (upbringing)?
Question..
What constitutes a Block to Reiki?
Is it the perception of the practitioner or receiver that they did not feel
what they expected?
Is it the fact that they were unable to see the healing or changes that
transpired?
Why is it we constantly seem to forget that we do not always feel what is
happening?
seems i have read hundreds of posting about that yet the same idea of some type
of blockage appears over and over.
Any thought?
Smeegly
should have much of the control about the environment, etc in which reiki is
given. The receiver might like to chose any music, or incense/candles, light
settings, etc which makes him/her more comfortable. I always thought this was
to make the person more conducive to entering a meditative state during the
reiki session.
I believe there could be people out there who would be more comfortable
receiving reiki, attunements or otherwise, in the nude,
but they are likely to be far and few between.
Peace
Lynne
Will Tingle, aka. Pyro
>> But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
>> clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
>>
I don't believe for a second that Reiki is blocked by clothing, just as
an incredibly bright light isn't blocked when covered with clothing, but
like the light I would suggest that all energy is diluted or filtered
(admittedly, almost unnoticeably) by clothing.
the exeption is silk, which would appear to be almost energy-proof (put
on a silk shirt and undies and go for a psychic reading - snigger!)
just a thought!
--
Will Tingle, aka. Pyro
http://come.to/the.pyro.page
reikigal
<py...@jtingle.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> But nevertheless, the claim that the flow of Reiki would be blocked by
>>> clothes is pure nonsense. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Allright?
>>>
>I wouldn't say PURE nonsense...
>
>I don't believe for a second that Reiki is blocked by clothing, just as
>an incredibly bright light isn't blocked when covered with clothing, but
>like the light I would suggest that all energy is diluted or filtered
>(admittedly, almost unnoticeably) by clothing.
>
>the exeption is silk, which would appear to be almost energy-proof (put
>on a silk shirt and undies and go for a psychic reading - snigger!)
Snigger away. If silk blocks psychic it is only the ability of the
psychic's energy being blocked. Reiki energy is on a different level.
I wouldn't call it "pure nonsense" either... I'd call it IMPURE.
just my nickle
lisa