How to treat?
Sirius B.
will describe here:
I don't know the right expression in English for that, I can say disorder,
or behavior but "the twitches" is likely to be the word. In my language we
call it "tik", or "tiks" in plural so if it is of Latin origin maybe you'll
understand what I mean. It manifests as a need to make a move with your head
(like roman emperor Claudius) , or with hand, or to contract a muscle, any
muscle, or to make a sound of some kind, or anything which is unusual, move
your shoulder, loudly exhale from your nose.... but not all of that for all
the time. It is divided in periods of different duration a with no logic at
all. Those who know what I am talking about will know the right word for it.
It is a nerve disorder of some kind and it usually begins in childhood in
situations of a hard life or something. Do I need to go into my past life,
or need to know what stress caused this in my childhood (OK, there was a lot
of stresses when I was a child). Maybe some aspects of my past lives caused
readiness to anticipate such response to child stress in this life? I am a
Reiki Master and I wonder if I can do something to deal with it myself or I
should search for help? I don't see past life and I don't see aura, so I am
searching for similar experiences, or some advise. Can someone "see" from a
distance what can I do.
Thx!
FaithCrystalsun
Faith
Faith Cuthrell Sisk
http://www.erols.com/crystalsun/seichim
William Lambdin
> understand what I mean. It manifests as a need to make a move with your
head
> (like roman emperor Claudius) , or with hand, or to contract a muscle, any
> muscle, or to make a sound of some kind, or anything which is unusual,
move
> your shoulder, loudly exhale from your nose.... but not all of that for
all
Are you referring to Tourette's Syndrome?
> readiness to anticipate such response to child stress in this life? I am a
> Reiki Master and I wonder if I can do something to deal with it myself or
I
> should search for help? I don't see past life and I don't see aura, so I
am
If it is Tourette's Syndrome; I don't have any specific hand positions for
you, but I will send you a private follow up message: I wish you well:
Bill (Two Bears) Lambdin
Reiki Master/Teacher Seichim Master
Shamanism Practitioner
goddess...@my-deja.com
discussing Turret's.
Faith is right. The source seems to be in the brain. When doing a
treatment on this person, if it feels you should keep your hands
on/around the head, do it. Follow your intuition.
http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/worries/tic.html
Kitten
In article <8ccb25$8qf$1...@scesie13.sie.siemens.at>,
"Sirius B." <sinis...@siemens.hr> wrote:
> Can somebody give me a clue how to treat special type of behavior
which I
> will describe here:
> I don't know the right expression in English for that, I can say
disorder,
> or behavior but "the twitches" is likely to be the word. In my
language we
> call it "tik", or "tiks" in plural so if it is of Latin origin maybe
you'll
> understand what I mean. It manifests as a need to make a move with
your head
> (like roman emperor Claudius) , or with hand, or to contract a muscle,
any
> muscle, or to make a sound of some kind, or anything which is unusual,
move
> your shoulder, loudly exhale from your nose.... but not all of that
for all
> the time. It is divided in periods of different duration a with no
logic at
> all. Those who know what I am talking about will know the right word
for it.
> It is a nerve disorder of some kind and it usually begins in childhood
in
> situations of a hard life or something. Do I need to go into my past
life,
> or need to know what stress caused this in my childhood (OK, there was
a lot
> of stresses when I was a child). Maybe some aspects of my past lives
caused
> readiness to anticipate such response to child stress in this life? I
am a
> Reiki Master and I wonder if I can do something to deal with it myself
or I
> should search for help? I don't see past life and I don't see aura, so
I am
> searching for similar experiences, or some advise. Can someone "see"
from a
> distance what can I do.
> Thx!
>
>
--
Light, Love, & Laughter,
Kitten
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein
(1879-1955)
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Before you buy.
Lotus Bud
The source may be in the brain, the effect is on the entire body. The
muscle twitching causes imbalances throughout the structure, the emotional
stress might cause a digestive problem. The effort to maintain balance
puts stress on the joints of the ankles and the feet...
So, yes, start with the head, then treat the entire body.
Blessings,
VSRC
William Lambdin
> Sounds like Turret's Syndrome. Below are a couple of links to sites
> discussing Turret's.
It sounded like Tourette's to me as well, and I expressed this in E-Mail.
The description didn't match Parkinsons disease or Cerebral Palsy:
This is only my opinion and not a valid diagnosis. ;-)
William Lambdin
> The source may be in the brain, the effect is on the entire body. The
> muscle twitching causes imbalances throughout the structure, the emotional
> stress might cause a digestive problem. The effort to maintain balance
The problem is that noise signals are being transmitted by the brain via the
nervous system to the muscles causing the muscles to twitch involuntarily.
William Lambdin
> No, that's not the problem... that's just an effect.
> You don't know what caused the problem,
That's right, and neither do you.
Neither of us are doctors and have no business making diagnoses of any
kind..
> and if you limit the cure to that one effect,
> you will miss an opportunity to see and
I was pointing out the fact that muscles are moved at the direction of the
brain and nervous system.
I was pointing out that treating the brain would reduce the noise signals
that are being sent to the body.
Furthermore I thought you were under the impression that Ki (The energy used
in the system of Reiki) was an intelegent energy and it would go where it
was most needed.
Luv Ya:
Bill (Two Bears) Lambdin
Reiki Master/Teacher Seichim Master
Shamanism Practitioner
.
William Lambdin
> I've met a couple of people with Turret's. That is why the description
> sounded familiar. (I also worked with a couple of students a few years
> ago who tried to convince everyone that they had Turret's.)
Tourette's is a disease a lot of people like to claim having; because then
they want to say unacceptable things and be excused for saying it.
> If the links I posted do not contain information pertinent to the
> described individual, they may contain clues leading to similar
> conditions. It's a starting point.
I concur GK:
Lotus Bud
William Lambdin wrote:
> Lotus Bud <lotu...@my-deja.com> wrote
>
> > No, that's not the problem... that's just an effect.
> > You don't know what caused the problem,
>
> That's right, and neither do you.
>
> Neither of us are doctors and have no business making diagnoses of any
> kind..
The issue was about whether or not anything is "the" problem... and seeing the
and treating person as a whole.
As far as diagnosis: I didn't check my brains at the door with Reiki, in my
class, I was told that it was very possible to diagnose with Reiki. It was
only later when it was clear that the AMA had serious problems with people
without a medical degree diagnosing, that the idea became popular that you
couldn't diagnose with Reiki. Apparently it was easier to teach that you
couldn't than taking responsibility for people and telling them they shouldn't.
This is an issue of the marketplace (doctors not wanting anyone to get into
their territory), not of Reiki.
> > and if you limit the cure to that one effect,
> > you will miss an opportunity to see and
>
> I was pointing out the fact that muscles are moved at the direction of the
> brain and nervous system.
Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the muscles
affected, rather to the whole person.
> I was pointing out that treating the brain would reduce the noise signals
> that are being sent to the body.
Sure, generally start at the head. Then treat the whole person.
> Furthermore I thought you were under the impression that Ki (The energy used
> in the system of Reiki) was an intelegent energy and it would go where it
> was most needed.
That I think Reiki is an intelligent energy does not preclude my participation
or intelligence, or the effect that exercising my intelligence through loving
compassion would give both the me and recipient.
Blessings,
VSRC
Lotus Bud
"William Lambdin" <two_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Lotus Bud <lotu...@pacbell.net> wrote
>
> > The source may be in the brain, the effect is on the entire body. The
> > muscle twitching causes imbalances throughout the structure, the emotional
> > stress might cause a digestive problem. The effort to maintain balance
>
> The problem is that noise signals are being transmitted by the brain via the
> nervous system to the muscles causing the muscles to twitch involuntarily.
>
> Bill (Two Bears) Lambdin
No, that's not the problem... that's just an effect.
You don't know what caused the problem,
and if you limit the cure to that one effect,
you will miss an opportunity to see and
treat the whole person, not just some misfired brain cell.
A person with this syndrome has been viewed
by poor-sighted others only through the veil of the syndrome.
Part of what we can offer is a way to view the whole person
through the eyes of Spirit.
Blessings,
VSRC
goddess...@my-deja.com
Lotus Bud <lotu...@my-deja.com> wrote:
<snipped>
> A person with this syndrome has been viewed
> by poor-sighted others only through the veil of the syndrome.
> Part of what we can offer is a way to view the whole person
> through the eyes of Spirit.
>
Were you able to take time to look over the 2nd link I posted? It seems
that people affected by Turret's are more prone to these seizures when
faced with stressful situations. The stress of these situations would
cause more misfires at the synapses. If this is what is happening, then
the practitioner treating the client may very well feel that they should
spend more time at the head of the client.
As stated in the message that contained the URLs, the practitioner
should follow his/her intuition, as is done in all treatments.
Basically, if your hands feel drawn to the head/shoulder area, keep them
there. Once they no longer feel drawn to that area, move on.
Do you not agree with this? If not, where do we differ in our thoughts?
--
Light, Love, & Laughter,
Kitten
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein
(1879-1955)
goddess...@my-deja.com
"William Lambdin" <two_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <goddess...@my-deja.com> wrote
>
> > Sounds like Turret's Syndrome. Below are a couple of links to sites
> > discussing Turret's.
>
> It sounded like Tourette's to me as well, and I expressed this in
E-Mail.
> The description didn't match Parkinsons disease or Cerebral Palsy:
>
> This is only my opinion and not a valid diagnosis. ;-)
>
I've met a couple of people with Turret's. That is why the description
sounded familiar. (I also worked with a couple of students a few years
ago who tried to convince everyone that they had Turret's.)
If the links I posted do not contain information pertinent to the
described individual, they may contain clues leading to similar
conditions. It's a starting point.
--
William Lambdin
> As far as diagnosis: I didn't check my brains at the door with Reiki, in
my
I have yet to meet a person with more than one brain.
> class, I was told that it was very possible to diagnose with Reiki. It
was
> only later when it was clear that the AMA had serious problems with people
> without a medical degree diagnosing, that the idea became popular that you
Reiki practitioners have absolutely no business making diagnoses.
> Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the
muscles
> affected, rather to the whole person.
Fine. Let's agree to disagree.
> Sure, generally start at the head. Then treat the whole person.
So you would use the full set of hand positions on someone experiencing a
broken arm?
> VSRC
Unlike some I will ask. Do you wish to be called Lotus or VSRC?
Lotus Bud
> > As far as diagnosis: I didn't check my brains at the door with Reiki, in
> my
>
> I have yet to meet a person with more than one brain.
Ah, then you haven't heard of the finding of
brain cells in the digestive organs and the heart.
According to this, you haven't met anyone with
just one brain.
> > class, I was told that it was very possible to diagnose with Reiki. It
> was
> > only later when it was clear that the AMA had serious problems with people
> > without a medical degree diagnosing, that the idea became popular that you
>
> Reiki practitioners have absolutely no business making diagnoses.
They certaintly did in Japan. When Takata received her first
Reiki treatment she was stunned by what they knew about
her condition... diverticulitis, gall bladder problems, etc.
Diagnosis just means identifying the nature of a disease.
Yes, that can be done with Reiki, and whether or not
the feedback received is given a Latin name with
deep understanding of anatomy or someone noticing
that the sinus is taking a lot of energy, depends on the
level of training and sensitivity.
For instance: I once gave extensive treatments to someone
who had candidiasis. Whenever I meet with the similar
symptoms I later ask if the person was aware that they
might have candidiasis, often they admit that it has been
an ongoing problem.
I'm no Reiki rocket scientist here. Others can do the
same. Another story: I've worked on so many people
with sinus problems, I noted that one person's sinuses
were pretty clear except for a recent irritation. Part of
the feedback with hands-on is the notice of whether a
condition is chronic or acute. So I guessed and told her
later that her sinuses were in good shape except for
the glass of milk she had for breakfast. She was
astonished and admitted that, yes, she had milk and
cereal that morning which was unusual for her.
It's safer, as I said, to claim that Reiki practitioners
can't diagnose than admit they can and say they
shouldn't because of law. It's just feedback.
> > Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the
> muscles
> > affected, rather to the whole person.
>
> Fine. Let's agree to disagree.
This surprises me. You think that the problem
once started, does not affect the whole person?
Interesting.
> > Sure, generally start at the head. Then treat the whole person.
>
> So you would use the full set of hand positions on someone experiencing a
> broken arm?
Especially with a broken arm.
The head: to help relax and send a message of comfort.
To the digestive organs: known to take stress.
To the back/especially adrenals: to repair the shock of
injury, which can last for days.
(Most broken arms are due to falls, and rarely is it
only the arm injured, often there are other
bruises.)
To the arm: for assistance in healing
To the other arm: for assistance in the stress of
doing the work of two.
To the legs and feet, for assistance in balancing
the body in a new way so that a fall due to
new motions would be avoided.
Then I might, if time, go back to the injured arm
again.
> > VSRC
>
> Unlike some I will ask. Do you wish to be called Lotus or VSRC?
VSRC is fine, thank you.
Blessings,
VSRC
Lotus Bud
goddess...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8ce196$7fh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Lotus Bud <lotu...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > A person with this syndrome has been viewed
> > by poor-sighted others only through the veil of the syndrome.
> > Part of what we can offer is a way to view the whole person
> > through the eyes of Spirit.
> >
>
> Were you able to take time to look over the 2nd link I posted? It seems
> that people affected by Turret's are more prone to these seizures when
> faced with stressful situations. The stress of these situations would
> cause more misfires at the synapses. If this is what is happening, then
> the practitioner treating the client may very well feel that they should
> spend more time at the head of the client.
I suggested a full treatment for the whole person.
(This includes the head.)
Two Bears said that the problem was in the brain.
Again, I said, look at the whole person.
What is causing the stress? With a full treatment you might get
an opportunity as to other conditions that are affected by or
causing the problem. Emotional upsets register also in the
digestive system. Stress and tension register in the back.
If you can calm and support these areas, the brain cells will
have an easier time going into balance.
> As stated in the message that contained the URLs, the practitioner
> should follow his/her intuition, as is done in all treatments.
> Basically, if your hands feel drawn to the head/shoulder area, keep them
> there. Once they no longer feel drawn to that area, move on.
Hmm. This works in situations where there is peace and
the practitioner has the ability to experiment. Sure, I
follow my intuition when appropriate, and if at all possible
give a full treatment. It just seems to work better.
> Do you not agree with this? If not, where do we differ in our thoughts?
Two Bears would only work on the head, thinking that
is the cause of the problem.
You would work longer on the head. As to the
other positions, not sure what you would do.
I'd probably work longer on the head, complete
a full treatment, then work on the head again.
William Lambdin
> Ah, then you haven't heard of the finding of
> brain cells in the digestive organs and the heart.
VSRC there is only one brain organ between the ears.
> They certaintly did in Japan. When Takata received her first
> Reiki treatment she was stunned by what they knew about
Japan is not the US.
> This surprises me. You think that the problem
> once started, does not affect the whole person?
> Interesting.
You have one viewpoint. I have another. Let's simply agree to disagree
instead of getting into a fight.
> Especially with a broken arm.
> The head: to help relax and send a message of comfort.
> To the digestive organs: known to take stress.
I would not use the while set. I would use positions on the head in order
for the brain to release chemicals so the body could heal itself, then go to
work on the break.
> VSRC is fine, thank you.
VSRC it is then:
Luv Ya:
William Lambdin
> I suggested a full treatment for the whole person.
> (This includes the head.)
> Two Bears said that the problem was in the brain.
> Again, I said, look at the whole person.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it's wrong.
> What is causing the stress? With a full treatment you might get
> an opportunity as to other conditions that are affected by or
> causing the problem. Emotional upsets register also in the
I will say this calmly clearly, and concisely. Maybe the concept will be
grasped:
Treat the head. This is what is causing the problem. When the brain stops
sending noise signals the brain will have a chance to release chemicals to
bring the rest of the body into balance.
Lotus Bud
William Lambdin wrote:
> Treat the head. This is what is causing the problem. When the brain stops
> sending noise signals the brain will have a chance to release chemicals to
> bring the rest of the body into balance.
Then perhaps, on the basis of your own model, you will see that healing can
occur more effectively and rapidly if the whole person is treated, not just
the head.
Blessings,
VSRC
goddess...@my-deja.com
"William Lambdin" <two_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Lotus Bud <lotu...@pacbell.net> wrote
>
<snide comments from both parties snipped>
>
> > class, I was told that it was very possible to diagnose with Reiki.
It
> was
> > only later when it was clear that the AMA had serious problems with
people
> > without a medical degree diagnosing, that the idea became popular
that you
>
> Reiki practitioners have absolutely no business making diagnoses.
>
Bill, you are right. Reiki practitioners, EMTs, paramedics, etc should
NOT diagnose causes of symptoms. We can, however, suggest possible
causes. Our clients may then do as they wish with our suggestions,
whether it is research it themselves or ask a doctor to run particular
tests to either rule out or affirm the possibilities suggested.
AND... it should be made clear to our clients that we are only
suggesting possibilities and not diagnosing the causes. It is like
before my autistic niece was diagnosed. Everyone around her was
watching to see if she showed signs of deafness and at least a half
dozen other things. My sister was able to take the observations she had
gathered to her pediatrician so that he would be better able to
determine what tests he should run.
It all works together.
> > Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the
> muscles
> > affected, rather to the whole person.
>
> Fine. Let's agree to disagree.
Actually, I don't think the two of you disagreed on this point. Do you
not each agree that the misfiring of synapses may very well have the
effects on musculature as well as on emotional and mental health?
So we concentrate more on the head if intuition leads to this. Then we
move on to other areas of the body as our intuition guides. We trust in
Ki to guide us as the treatment(s) progress. Not so different than any
other treatment, eh?
--
Light, Love, & Laughter,
Kitten
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein
(1879-1955)
William Lambdin
> Bill, you are right. Reiki practitioners, EMTs, paramedics, etc should
> NOT diagnose causes of symptoms. We can, however, suggest possible
This is the way I feel.
> AND... it should be made clear to our clients that we are only
> suggesting possibilities and not diagnosing the causes. It is like
Absolutely correct
> Actually, I don't think the two of you disagreed on this point. Do you
> not each agree that the misfiring of synapses may very well have the
> effects on musculature as well as on emotional and mental health?
Exactly!
Lotus Bud
goddess...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Bill, you are right. Reiki practitioners, EMTs, paramedics, etc should
> NOT diagnose causes of symptoms. We can, however, suggest possible
> causes.
That is a kind of diagnosis, according to the definition. Thanks to Reiki
doctors credited me for possibly saving a life by getting a woman to the
hospital within an hour's time of an eruption in her system.
I diagnosed that there was a severe problem and forced an unwilling patient
to the hospital. That doesn't make me a doctor, but someone who used the
feedback available to be of assistance.
> Our clients may then do as they wish with our suggestions,
> whether it is research it themselves or ask a doctor to run particular
> tests to either rule out or affirm the possibilities suggested.
>
> AND... it should be made clear to our clients that we are only
> suggesting possibilities and not diagnosing the causes. It is like
> before my autistic niece was diagnosed. Everyone around her was
> watching to see if she showed signs of deafness and at least a half
> dozen other things. My sister was able to take the observations she had
> gathered to her pediatrician so that he would be better able to
> determine what tests he should run.
> It all works together.
Yes, it can work together, if we admit and allow ourselves to participate.
Somewhere there was this myth that diagnosis was impossible with Reiki, and
that's what I was challenging.
> > > Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the
> > muscles
> > > affected, rather to the whole person.
> >
> > Fine. Let's agree to disagree.
>
> Actually, I don't think the two of you disagreed on this point. Do you
> not each agree that the misfiring of synapses may very well have the
> effects on musculature as well as on emotional and mental health?
It appeared that he disagreed.
I just wouldn't wait for healing to be absorbed throughout the entire body
until it came to the knee, for example, if the pathways weren't clear for
that to happen immediately... and even so, would support the knee with a
treatment. Most knees are grateful. :)
> So we concentrate more on the head if intuition leads to this. Then we
> move on to other areas of the body as our intuition guides. We trust in
> Ki to guide us as the treatment(s) progress. Not so different than any
> other treatment, eh?
That's different from my *standard* treatment which is to treat the whole
person, not just one part. In case of emergencies, or time constraints, in
case of limitations of movement that could change only in outer view.
Often in those cases I will do a distant treatment at the same time as
hands-on, in order to give a treatment to the whole person.
Blessings,
VSRC
goddess...@my-deja.com
lotu...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
>
> goddess...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Bill, you are right. Reiki practitioners, EMTs, paramedics, etc
should
> > NOT diagnose causes of symptoms. We can, however, suggest possible
> > causes.
>
> That is a kind of diagnosis, according to the definition. Thanks to
Reiki
> doctors credited me for possibly saving a life by getting a woman to
the
> hospital within an hour's time of an eruption in her system.
>
> I diagnosed that there was a severe problem and forced an unwilling
patient
> to the hospital. That doesn't make me a doctor, but someone who used
the
> feedback available to be of assistance.
>
Surmising that there is a severe problem and actually diagnosing what
the problem is are two completely different things. If you observe that
someone is having severe abdominal pains in the lower right quadrant, it
is safe to tell the person that they should speak with their physician
about the possibilities of appendicitis (sp?), gall bladder attacks,
IBS, etc. However, IMO, you should not tell the person they are having
an appendicitis attack or that they are having a severe gall bladder
attack. In doing so, you are risking extreme medical liabilities.
> > Our clients may then do as they wish with our suggestions,
> > whether it is research it themselves or ask a doctor to run
particular
> > tests to either rule out or affirm the possibilities suggested.
> >
> > AND... it should be made clear to our clients that we are only
> > suggesting possibilities and not diagnosing the causes. It is like
> > before my autistic niece was diagnosed. Everyone around her was
> > watching to see if she showed signs of deafness and at least a half
> > dozen other things. My sister was able to take the observations she
had
> > gathered to her pediatrician so that he would be better able to
> > determine what tests he should run.
>
> > It all works together.
>
> Yes, it can work together, if we admit and allow ourselves to
participate.
> Somewhere there was this myth that diagnosis was impossible with
Reiki, and
> that's what I was challenging.
>
I don't believe Bill said that diagnosis is impossible, merely
unadvisable. There are medical and legal issues involved in such
situations, especially here in the sue-happy USofA.
William Lambdin
> That is a kind of diagnosis, according to the definition. Thanks to Reiki
> doctors credited me for possibly saving a life by getting a woman to the
> hospital within an hour's time of an eruption in her system.
VSRC:
You truly are grasping at straws.
There is a world of difference between saying.
You have _______.
I sence something odd in the ______ area and I think you should have it
checked.
The first is a diagnosis. The second is a suggestion to go to a doctor for a
diagnosis.
Lindentree
If I may jump in here - Bill and VSRC are both doing the healing in the same
way. Both are using Reiki. Both are treating the entire being through the
head. VSRC is more comfortable by then going on to do 'hands on' treatment
of the whole body as well, while Bill is comfortable just knowing the whole
body is being affected by the head treatment. They are just different
styles, just as there are different styles of communication. When presented
with a rose, some people say 'what a beautiful rose' others say 'what a
beautiful flower'. Neither is wrong and both are right, but they could end
up arguing whether flower is an adequate description, or whether the term
rose, being precise to the genus and species is necessary.
The same thing happened with their use of the tern 'diagnosis'. One is
using it in the general - my assessment of your situation/condition - and
the other is concerned about that being interpreted in the strict legal - I
know that your situation/condition is caused by this specific. The AMA has
gotten a legal restriction emplaced on use of the term 'diagnosis' by all
varieties of healthcare practitioners such that the general interpretation
is NOT the accepted meaning in these situations unless that is specifically
stated by the healthcare practitioner. By this determination, as I am an
'alternative healthcare practitioner', if I find someone with jagged ends of
their bone protruding from their shin the only legal statement I can make
regarding the condition is 'I think your leg might be broken', regardless of
the obviousness of the situation. The moment I say 'Your leg is broken' I
have made an illegal statement - whether it is true or not! - and have
violated the laws preventing the practice of 'medicine' by an unlicensed
practitioner. A layperson - someone who has never practiced any form of
healthcare - would not be breaking the law with the same 'Your leg is
broken' statement because they are not 'pretending to be medically educated'
and therefore the 'public' would not be confused into believing the
layperson might be able to effect some sort of medical assistance. Yeah,
it's stupid and insulting, but that's the law (at least in the US). It was
rammed through as legislation by the same people who state firmly that all
forms of alternative healthcare are bogus and an attempt to fleece the
gullible public for ineffective or even harmful treatments.
IKR (I'll Keep Reiki)
-Adrian-
Lotus Bud
Thanks very much for your message,
and explanation of law.
However, in Japan, on Takata they did diagnosis:
You have a sinus problem.
You have diverticulitis. You have gall stones.
They could see this through/with their hands.
Here it's illegal to say that, perhaps, but not outside the ability
of Reiki practioners to do it.
The former head of the Gakkai was said to
have been able to tell what was wrong with a person as they
walked through the door.
So when someone says: "You can't diagnose with Reiki..."
then I ask that they at least add:
"legally, according to law here in the U.S."
Reiki itself doesn't know these limitations, and so the issue was
more than just a definition of the word, it was to how Reiki is
perceived and understood.
As I understand, currently in Japan, they require this
understanding before a person progresses into
second degree training.
By saying that diagnosis is impossible, it also suggests that
communication from the body to the hands is
impossible, when it very definitely is something that
happens. Just as communication with the person's
energy patterns or feedback, is possible, even desired,
in initation.
A full treatment allows this same feedback from the body
to be perceived by someone without the intuitive powers
of the former head of the Gakkai. A problem in the foot,
may be due to a problem in the kidneys. Just
holding the foot may allow the foot to feel better, swelling
going down, but that needy foot may not allow the Reiki
to get close enough with enough strength to the kidneys,
for more longlasting relief.
If a person hasn't yet developed the intuition to pick up
the problem in the kidneys, a full treatment will cover
it to the best of the practitioner's ability.
In the practice of Reiki, it can be important also to listen
to the needs of body and spirit, as well as to send prayer,
it may even save a life.
Blessings,
VSRC
Vanessa
> brain cells in the digestive organs and the heart.
> just one brain.
Did anyone else think of Jeffrey Dalmer here? LOL Sorry LB, couldn't help
it...
--
Blessed Be,
Ness
We all stand in "Divine Light"
"Lotus Bud" <lotu...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8ceujt$7lq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
> > > As far as diagnosis: I didn't check my brains at the door with Reiki,
in
> > my
> >
> > I have yet to meet a person with more than one brain.
>
> Ah, then you haven't heard of the finding of
> brain cells in the digestive organs and the heart.
> According to this, you haven't met anyone with
> just one brain.
>
> > > class, I was told that it was very possible to diagnose with Reiki.
It
> > was
> > > only later when it was clear that the AMA had serious problems with
people
> > > without a medical degree diagnosing, that the idea became popular that
you
> >
> > Reiki practitioners have absolutely no business making diagnoses.
>
> They certaintly did in Japan. When Takata received her first
> Reiki treatment she was stunned by what they knew about
> > > Fine, I was pointing out that the effect goes to more than just the
> > muscles
> > > affected, rather to the whole person.
> >
> > Fine. Let's agree to disagree.
>
> This surprises me. You think that the problem
> once started, does not affect the whole person?
> Interesting.
>
> > > Sure, generally start at the head. Then treat the whole person.
> >
> > So you would use the full set of hand positions on someone experiencing
a
> > broken arm?
>
> Especially with a broken arm.
> The head: to help relax and send a message of comfort.
> To the digestive organs: known to take stress.
> To the back/especially adrenals: to repair the shock of
> injury, which can last for days.
> (Most broken arms are due to falls, and rarely is it
> only the arm injured, often there are other
> bruises.)
> To the arm: for assistance in healing
> To the other arm: for assistance in the stress of
> doing the work of two.
> To the legs and feet, for assistance in balancing
> the body in a new way so that a fall due to
> new motions would be avoided.
> Then I might, if time, go back to the injured arm
> again.
>
> > > VSRC
> >
> > Unlike some I will ask. Do you wish to be called Lotus or VSRC?
>
> VSRC is fine, thank you.
>
> Blessings,
>
> VSRC
Sue Goutier
arm and corresponding effects very thought provoking. I have always thought
that more time would be spent on the "damaged" area and am very greatful to
have learned something from this (which should have been quite obvious).
I would also like to ask how it was known that a glass of milk was consumed
the morning of the treatment - was this a guess? I have been practising
Reiki for 2 years and have never experienced that kind of intuition. I
usually experience sensations in my own body which help to find problem
areas. Is this a gift that you had before or was it something that was
developed after the attunements. I am always looking for ways that I can
improve my "diagnostic" skills...(forgive the term!). I have started doing
Reiki treatments (a dream come true) at a local health centre and would be
very interested in any help and advice, especially regarding diagnosis.
Sue G
PS May God Bless this NG.... I have learnt so much from you all.
Vanessa <van...@kingston.net> wrote in message
news:serioo...@corp.supernews.com...
William Lambdin
> I'm not sure who to address here but found what was said about the broken
> arm and corresponding effects very thought provoking. I have always
thought
> that more time would be spent on the "damaged" area and am very greatful
to
Lotusbud: said that she would do the full set of hand positions.
I said that I would do the hand positions in the head so the brain would
release endorphins and other chemicals so the mind and body could assist in
healing then I would focus on the break.
> developed after the attunements. I am always looking for ways that I can
> improve my "diagnostic" skills...(forgive the term!). I have started
doing
Reiki practitioners have no business making diagnoses.
Luv Ya:
Lotus Bud
Sue Goutier wrote:
> I'm not sure who to address here but found what was said about the broken
> arm and corresponding effects very thought provoking. I have always thought
> that more time would be spent on the "damaged" area and am very greatful to
> have learned something from this (which should have been quite obvious).
This is VSRC. Actually, I would spend more time on the broken arm (all this
after being set), just would definitely include the other areas.
>
> I would also like to ask how it was known that a glass of milk was consumed
> the morning of the treatment - was this a guess?
It was sort of a guess as to what the cause of the irritant was... but not that
it was something that had been caused recently/not chronic, permeated or
aggravated the sinus membranes, and the treatment happening fairly soon after
breakfast, not in time for some other allergy or problem to occur.
> I have been practising
> Reiki for 2 years and have never experienced that kind of intuition.
I practiced for 20 years before that story, on many kinds of sinuses! :) It
comes with experience of the sensations from treatments.
> I
> usually experience sensations in my own body which help to find problem
> areas.
I didn't at first, and usually don't, but on occasion just thank the sensation
and say something to the effect of: thanks for the information, you can go away
now.
> Is this a gift that you had before or was it something that was
> developed after the attunements.
Far, far after initiations.
Before initiation into Reiki I was very yin, hands cold even in summer. Slept
with socks on, etc. After initiation, a balance came into the body. The
energy with initiation was something very different from the previous state.
As to noticing what specifically happens in the body, it comes with
experience. Certain problems have similar signatures and when you meet with
them at a location of the body, you can ask if there is this or that problem
(later, not while the treatment is ongoing) and you get educated to what's
happening.
> I am always looking for ways that I can
> improve my "diagnostic" skills...(forgive the term!).
:) No problem here. It's like a doctor listening these days... fairly rare for
people to acknowledge that there is communication between the body and the
Reiki person, that it isn't all just "send." With Reiki you enter more
consciously into a continuum.
Although, thanks to Lindentree's post (hope you printed that one), care must be
taken to language.
> I have started doing
> Reiki treatments (a dream come true) at a local health centre and would be
> very interested in any help and advice, especially regarding diagnosis.
Just practice and listen. Reiki will teach you. But know that all information
isn't to be shared, wait for the sign that tells you it's appropriate or right
to talk about your sensations with the recipient. The treatment is a process
like baking a cake, best left with the oven door closed until it's done.
And "done" in my experience is often the treatment plus a twenty minute nap.
Blessings,
VSRC
Lotus Bud
"William Lambdin" <two_...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Reiki practitioners have no business making diagnoses.
Considering that's just what they have been doing for 80
or so years, and at least in Japan they consider the facility
of sensitivity to what is going on with a person (byosen)
(in modern day technical terms: feedback)
a necessity for second degree training, perhaps you could
revise your statement at least to include that it is your
opinion. And that your opinion, while it may be for you
comfortable according to the law here, limits not only
the practice and the understanding of Reiki, but also the
ability of people to be of service in a very important way
for their fellows.
It is one thing to add techniques in and not recognize
changes by name, it is another to take techniques out and
say that a long standing practice has no business in Reiki.
The issue isn't law, it's acknowledgement of the process
of energy, that it's exercise is not a one-way wish, but an
entry into a stream of consciousness that allows
communication on many levels.
LightHeals
how accurate the information that a Reiki practitioner receives may be...it
would be inappropriate (if not illegal) to present it to the recipient as an
anatomical or physiological conclusion unless one is a licensed health care
professional.
The use of the term diagnosis here in the US is legally restrictive. And
perhaps it is better that a person get their knickers in twist over not being
able to use the word than one person get their buns in a sling because they did
use it.
Receiving accurate information and providing/making a diagnosis are two very
different things here in the US.
During a session and afterwards I do my best to convey my experiences to the
recipient in the most beneficial therapeutic way possible...within my scope of
practice, experience and qualifications...and I can do that without the word
diagnosis ever entering my mind or the conversation...actually I "assess" and
"convey."
Your mileage may vary...
Blessings,
Tsy
Shambhu
I'm not sure that having the sensitivity to determine a byosen in
a person is similar to diagnosing. The byosen is similar to
"scanning." You scan the person's body to determine where there is a
problem. If you detect a problem over the stomach, for example, then
you would treat the stomach. But that doesn't mean that you would
diagnose it as a duodenal ulcer, or a perforated colon, or any other
problem. It simply means that you would have determined the area
where there was a problem and know where to treat.
Maybe I'm semantically challenged, but it seems to me that there is a
huge difference between knowing and feeling there is a problem in an
area, and diagnosing that it means a certain thing. If I felt
something over a person's knee, I might tell them that I am feeling
something there, but I wouldn't diagnose a tear of the anterior
cruciate ligament.
Just my two cents worth.
Tom
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:52:16 GMT, Lotus Bud <lotu...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Lotus Bud
Shambhu wrote:
> Hi VSRC,
Hello.
>
> I'm not sure that having the sensitivity to determine a byosen in
> a person is similar to diagnosing. The byosen is similar to
> "scanning." You scan the person's body to determine where there is a
> problem. If you detect a problem over the stomach, for example, then
> you would treat the stomach. But that doesn't mean that you would
> diagnose it as a duodenal ulcer, or a perforated colon, or any other
> problem. It simply means that you would have determined the area
> where there was a problem and know where to treat.
That's a kind of diagnosis. If you had treated many ulcers, you would
know what an ulcer feels like and raise that possibility. I've treated
several of the same kinds of conditions in people, and it feels the
same. Inflammations feel differently from other chronic problems... so
I may not know what caused the inflammation unless I have experience
with it, but many times have identified inflammations for people.
When Takata received Reiki for the first time, they told her: you have a
sinus problem, you have diverticulitis and you have gall stones... now
they didn't use the Latin names, and they weren't highly skilled
professional people, but they did a kind of diagnosis.
What's at stake here is not the semantics of the word "diagnosis," it's
about receiving information from the body/spirit of a person, entering
into communication with them and not just a matter of wishful sending of
Reiki, as valuable as that alone can be... better to wishful send than
not send at all.
> Maybe I'm semantically challenged, but it seems to me that there is a
> huge difference between knowing and feeling there is a problem in an
> area, and diagnosing that it means a certain thing.
Depends on whether you use the dictionary's definition or the American
Medical Association. Is there a better word than diagnosis to
represent byosen? Feedback just doesn't have the charm... scanning
might work, but doesn't represent what happened to Takata by those
earlier Reiki practitioners.
> If I felt
> something over a person's knee, I might tell them that I am feeling
> something there, but I wouldn't diagnose a tear of the anterior
> cruciate ligament.
You would if you had felt enough of them, recognized the signature of
the problem, knew the anatomy and had seen it before. I'm not saying
that every disease will be recognized by it's Latin name, that depends
on the ability of the practitioner and the experience with the
bodies/spirits that have that particular problem.
However, it is a very different thing to discuss the definitions of
diagnosis versus disallowing that it should/could/might be done at all.
That's what has happened here.
by the next and the next "generation" of intro to Reiki...:
First introduction: diagnosis can be done
Second: diagnosis can be done/not legally
Third: diagnosis cannot be done legally
Fourth: diagnosis cannot be done
Fifth: diagnosis cannot be done/is not important
Sixth: there is no such thing as diagnosis in Reiki
Seventh: there is no need or ability to feel anything from the body of
the practitioner in Reiki, it is a one-way flow
Eighth: because there is no feedback from Reiki practice, there is no
sensation or possibility of conformity in Reiki practice
Ninth: therefore whatever you do doesn't matter, because no matter what
you do, it can't be identified, therefore it doesn't exist and all Reiki
practice can be seen as vague without system or substance or
feedback or results beyond some subjective sensation of energy.
That is just one way that Reiki has been done a disservice by
misunderstanding of the practice. If by introducing a now-radical
concept: "You CAN diagnose with Reiki!" people understand that they
enter with Reiki into communication with someone/spirit, then a
different set of conclusions might result, and they will be nearer to the
truth.
Blessings,
VSRC
Lotus Bud
LightHeals wrote:
> It would seem to me...as a US citizen residing in the US...that regardless of
> how accurate the information that a Reiki practitioner receives may be...it
> would be inappropriate (if not illegal) to present it to the recipient as an
> anatomical or physiological conclusion unless one is a licensed health care
> professional.
That's the conclusion that many came to in suggesting that diagnosis was
impossible here. The process of scanning/feedback was misunderstood and denied as
possible.
> The use of the term diagnosis here in the US is legally restrictive. And
> perhaps it is better that a person get their knickers in twist over not being
> able to use the word than one person get their buns in a sling because they did
> use it.
That was the choice made in the 70's... and became: you "can't" diagnose. That
wasn't their intention, but that's what happened.
> Receiving accurate information and providing/making a diagnosis are two very
> different things here in the US.
And yet without a venue or way for the the activity of "receiving accurate
knowledge" to be expressed, even the possibility has been lost for some because it
was denied it could be done.
> During a session and afterwards I do my best to convey my experiences to the
> recipient in the most beneficial therapeutic way possible...within my scope of
> practice, experience and qualifications...and I can do that without the word
> diagnosis ever entering my mind or the conversation...actually I "assess" and
> "convey."
Those are great words... and together they convey the meaning and practice without
that legally twisted "diagnosis" word... Personally I haven't used those words,
and I don't use the word "diagnosis" with a recipient. I do tell of my
experiences and perceptions, and those have been at times in resonance with the
experience of the body/spirit.
So in the interest of respect to ownership of the word "diagnosis" by the AMA
shall we use the words assess/convey, and use that to acknowledge that the
activity is possible?
Blessings,
VSRC
Sirius B.
and experiences. I don't know if it is a Tourette's Syndrome or not. I
watched TV show lead by some doctor character who researches human brain and
it is the same doctor who is the real person behind the role of Robin
Williams in the Awakenings movie. In this episode about Tourette's Syndrome
he introduced a guy with Tourette's Syndrome diagnosed. This guy is always
in motion, he never stops, always touching something, jumping, making noise.
He is not dangerous although people sometimes afraid of him. Hi stops you in
the street, talk to you, a police woman in the Paris forbid him to stay in
the Park. He can take some medicine to make it easy, but he doesn't want to.
So, what I am talking about is not like that. I don't know if there is (I
suppose there is) more levels of seriousness of the daisies. If it is maybe
I am talking about some less serious level of same Syndrome. I know, when
the problem started in my childhood, I was exposed to everyday stress as a
result of happenings in my family. I am sure the origin is in the brain but
I think that there was "something that clicked something". I can stop all of
movements and daises expressions if I concentrate (i.e. in meditation) and
breathing deeply. In the situations when I am alone and when I am trying to
concentrate i.e on reading the book, or to think of something there is
strong daises expressions followed by very bad breathing rhythm. The guy
from TV show could also stop all of expressions when he rides a bike, or
something. I don't make a noise so often as he and when I do it is rarely.
It is like you suddenly feel some part of the body (a foot finger or
shoulder or some muscle) and you must "move" it. Like it says "Here I am"
and you must reply.
So, I am not very good in English and I am very tired by now :-))) Here, in
my country we are learning from Reiki teachers that every thing happening to
us has it's energetic equivalent in our energetic body. Some things are
caused in some of our past lives. We can press such stress form the depth of
our body to the surface i.e. in meditation so it can flow away. My teacher
is somethime capable to tell what is the real cause of the problem
(something you've done in some past life). This of course is not a medicine
diagnose, but geves a clue of what to do. Do you work like that?
OK, maybe some more later, time to work :-)
Love,
Sirius
Sirius B.
goddess...@my-deja.com
lotu...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
>
> LightHeals wrote:
<snipped>
>
> > During a session and afterwards I do my best to convey my
experiences to the
> > recipient in the most beneficial therapeutic way possible...within
my scope of
> > practice, experience and qualifications...and I can do that without
the word
> > diagnosis ever entering my mind or the conversation...actually I
"assess" and
> > "convey."
>
> Those are great words... and together they convey the meaning and
practice without
> that legally twisted "diagnosis" word... Personally I haven't used
those words,
> and I don't use the word "diagnosis" with a recipient. I do tell of
my
> experiences and perceptions, and those have been at times in resonance
with the
> experience of the body/spirit.
>
> So in the interest of respect to ownership of the word "diagnosis" by
the AMA
> shall we use the words assess/convey, and use that to acknowledge that
the
> activity is possible?
>
VSCR,
During this entire discussion, I have not seen a single person state
that it is not possible to make an assessment of what an individual's
physical problems may be. What has been said is that we "have no
business" making a diagnosis. This is totally and completely based on
the legal issue as far as I can see.
--
Light, Love, & Laughter,
Kitten
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein
(1879-1955)
Shambhu
While I agree that telling a person what you are feeling is an
important part of Reiki, I remember Ethel telling my class way
back when that we were not to diagnose an ailment. Period. Maybe
you've got access to more information about what the Reiki
practitioners in Japan actually told Takata versus what we think may
have happened. And don't forget, Hayasha was a doctor. Maybe he
diagnosed what was wrong with her. They also no doubt had the benefit
of hospital information, having been contacted by a surgeon. All
those things lead into what was known about her condition.
There is a law in the United States, whether it's right or wrong,
about practicing medicine without a license. Diagnose has come to be
accepted as a "medical term of art." If you feel comfortable
diagnosing and think you can do it without crossing any improper
boundaries, by all means, do so. For my part, I prefer to let people
know what I feel without making a diagnosis. After all, it might not
be a tear of the anterior cruciate ligament, it might be a tear of the
medial meniscus, and I have never felt one torn this way before.
One is fairly simple to repair surgically; the other is a pretty big
deal. I'll let the doctors take the chances with that.....
Take gentle care.
Tom
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 01:09:02 -0700, Lotus Bud <lotu...@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Lotus Bud
> VSCR,
It's VSRC, but I'll answer to VSCR... :)
> During this entire discussion, I have not seen a single person state
> that it is not possible to make an assessment of what an individual's
> physical problems may be. What has been said is that we "have no
> business" making a diagnosis. This is totally and completely based on
> the legal issue as far as I can see.
The legal implications had effects that ranged far from that issue.
It affected ultimately, the very ground of understanding of Reiki
practice. "We have no business making diagnosis" is in a few steps
translated to: Can't do it at all/not possible.
When I suggested some time ago on this newsgroup that in an
initiation it was possible to discern the Reiki energy flowing
through someone and differentiate it from other types of energies,
it was denounced that such feedback was impossible and
unnecessary. I realized that the issue about diagnosis had
blocked for some people the possibility of receiving information
from the body/spirit of a person in treatment and in initiation.
So, the discussion commenced.
And yet what has happened in this discussion is that Tsy,
who does "assess and convey" his perceptions has offered a
new language for the practice. Anyone reading might have
another view than what they thought possible, and sometime
they might as I have more than once, also have the opportunity
to save a life. And now, thanks to Tsy, they also have a way
to express it within legal parameters.
Blessings,
VSRC
Lotus Bud
Lotus Bud
Shambhu wrote:
> Hi VSRC,
>
> While I agree that telling a person what you are feeling is an
> important part of Reiki, I remember Ethel telling my class way
> back when that we were not to diagnose an ailment. Period.
Right. And that happened shortly after it was decided that people
did not want trouble with the law. It was Ethel's way of wording
the "do it - you can tell what you are feeling, but don't use the "D"
word." That was the second step in the progression referred in
my post. It was also done and possibly started by Beth Gray,
who had a friend who was into metaphysics and an attorney and
advised her in these and other cases.
Sadly, this discussion on whether or not to diagnose has focussed
on the "D" word and not on the process of receiving information
from the body/spirit of a person.
> Maybe
> you've got access to more information about what the Reiki
> practitioners in Japan actually told Takata versus what we think may
> have happened.
I'm reporting what she said in class... and how they did it, and
what she called it.
> And don't forget, Hayasha was a doctor. Maybe he
> diagnosed what was wrong with her.
No, he wasn't one of the practitioners who worked on her the
first time, and that's the event reported.
> They also no doubt had the benefit
> of hospital information, having been contacted by a surgeon. All
> those things lead into what was known about her condition.
No, they didn't know. The surgery wasn't for sinuses, etc. That's
part of the story as Takata told it: they knew what was
happening with her, and in her teaching she also told stories
of receiving information.
> There is a law in the United States, whether it's right or wrong,
> about practicing medicine without a license. Diagnose has come to be
> accepted as a "medical term of art." If you feel comfortable
> diagnosing and think you can do it without crossing any improper
> boundaries, by all means, do so.
Oh, I think "assess and convey" is a good term. Do you? Or did you
see the posts that introduced the term and my acceptance that it was
a good idea?
> For my part, I prefer to let people
> know what I feel without making a diagnosis. After all, it might not
> be a tear of the anterior cruciate ligament, it might be a tear of the
> medial meniscus, and I have never felt one torn this way before.
> One is fairly simple to repair surgically; the other is a pretty big
> deal. I'll let the doctors take the chances with that.....
Here's the point: you would feel something.
The person I forced to the hospital had been in pain and reluctant
to even see a doctor. She came to my mother's house to borrow a
a pain pill in the middle of the night. When I put my
hands on her, I knew there was a terrific problem because of the
reaction in my hands. I didn't diagnose with Latin names, however
I knew that the cause of this problem was serious enough to warrant
immediate emergency attention. From my sketchy study in
anatomy I knew what organs were involved.
It took me several minutes of progressively louder fits before
she would agree to go to Emergency in the middle of the night.
The doctors credited me with possibly saving her life, and that
within an hour there would have been an eruption in her system.
Because I had been given permission and encouragement from
Takata that my hands would give information, real information,
I had the confidence to act upon it. When this happened, I had
only been practicing a very few years and had never encountered
anything like the sensations I felt, and have never again.
Now the AMA may have difficulty with the "D" word,
so you can say I "assessed and conveyed" my misgivings. And you
can say I "assessed and conveyed" that another recipient had
taken a glass of milk for breakfast. But these things are possible,
and have history in Reiki.
Blessings,
VSRC
goddess...@my-deja.com
Sorry. As per my mother's non-official interpretation, "slight dyslexia
of the brain."
Try re-reading the discussions of 04/05/00, of which this is one:
http://x21.deja.com/threadmsg_md.xp?thitnum=2&AN=607129954.1&mhitnum=20&
CONTEXT=955401729.1588199445
(one line, please)
--
Light, Love, & Laughter,
Kitten
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein
(1879-1955)
Shambhu
It focused on the "D" word because the original post by Two Bears said
that Reiki practitioners had no business diagnosing. I don't think
anyone has said anything about not reporting what is felt in our
hands. Everyone seemed to indicate that they certainly paid attention
to what was felt, and used that information, but didn't "diagnose."
Take gentle care.
Tom
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:01:03 -0700, Lotus Bud <lotu...@pacbell.net>
wrote:
>Sadly, this discussion on whether or not to diagnose has focussed
>on the "D" word and not on the process of receiving information
>from the body/spirit of a person.
LightHeals
>who does "assess and convey" his perceptions has offered a
>new language for the practice.
VSRC...you may be well versed, you may be wise...but there is certainly one
thing about which you are clueless....I ain't no his!
And about this your mileage should not vary...
Blessings,
Tsy
Lotus Bud
light...@aol.com (LightHeals) wrote:
> >And yet what has happened in this discussion is that Tsy,
> >who does "assess and convey" his perceptions has offered a
> >new language for the practice.
>
> VSRC...you may be well versed, you may be wise...but there is certainly one
> thing about which you are clueless....I ain't no his!
EEK! So sorry...
> And about this your mileage should not vary...
And never will again! Thank you.
Blessings,
VSRC
William Lambdin
> It focused on the "D" word because the original post by Two Bears said
> that Reiki practitioners had no business diagnosing. I don't think
> anyone has said anything about not reporting what is felt in our
> hands. Everyone seemed to indicate that they certainly paid attention
> to what was felt, and used that information, but didn't "diagnose."
Tom:
You have it exactly correct! I said that I would tell people that I felt
something odd in an area and they should go to a medical professional for a
diagnosis.
Lotus Bud
Shambhu <sk...@home.com> wrote:
> VSRC,
>
> It focused on the "D" word because the original post by Two Bears said
> that Reiki practitioners had no business diagnosing. I don't think
> anyone has said anything about not reporting what is felt in our
> hands. Everyone seemed to indicate that they certainly paid attention
> to what was felt, and used that information, but didn't "diagnose."
Not everyone, Tom... and it wasn't clear as to what "diagnose" meant,
now we have an alternate word to use and an understanding of law,
aren't you glad we discussed it?
Shambhu
Amended to read "almost everyone." And in a word: No.
Take gentle care.
Tom
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:15:38 GMT, Lotus Bud <lotu...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
>
>Not everyone, Tom... and it wasn't clear as to what "diagnose" meant,
>now we have an alternate word to use and an understanding of law,
>aren't you glad we discussed it?
>
Lotus Bud
Sorry you thought the benefits of discussion didn't outweigh the
trouble. Ah, then please, in future, refrain if it causes you
discomfort. Discussion is for the enlightenment and enjoyment of all.
Blessings,
VSRC
Shambhu
I didn't say anything about whether the benefits of discussion
outweighed the trouble. Your words, which you ascribed to me.
And please don't suggest any course of action for me. If I choose to
refrain, I shall, for whatever reasons of my own.. Thank you for your
suggestion, though.
Take gentle care.
Tom
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:11:11 -0700, Lotus Bud <lotu...@pacbell.net>
wrote:
>Shambu,
Lotus Bud
Shambhu <sk...@home.com> wrote:
> VSRC,
>
> I didn't say anything about whether the benefits of discussion
> outweighed the trouble. Your words, which you ascribed to me.
> And please don't suggest any course of action for me. If I choose to
> refrain, I shall, for whatever reasons of my own.. Thank you for your
> suggestion, though.
You're right... you just said you weren't glad to discuss, and said
nothing about the benefits of which a few were:
*new and appropriate language;
*new information, apparently, that diagnosis (not medical) was done
in Hayashi's clinic,
taught that it was possible by Takata,
and therefore has a long history in Reiki practice;
*clear definition of law, in U.S.;
*almost universal acceptance and acknowledgement that some form of
feedback or information is received;
*suggestions as to how to give that feedback in a way that is safe and
comfortable for recipient and practitioner;
*discussion about Reiki on a Reiki newsgroup (what a concept!).
And you are right. If you weren't glad to discuss, something must
have made you happy or you wouldn't have done, it, so please forgive
me for suggesting that you refrain from activities that you don't
enjoy.