No More Morse Code at all?
Greg
longer be any morse code tests for all the license classes. Anyone know if
this is true? Is this possible, since I thought that the morse code
requirment was an international requirement for HF bands?
Thanks,
Greg
AA
Depends on what happens at the next WARC conference (think that is the name of
the international group). However, it may not come to pass...which would not
bother me one bit, even tho I'm still trying to conquer CW. Each individual
country will have to make their own call, IIRC. Check the ARRL and eHam
websites for some more discussion.
As for "no more morse," of course, it is not going anywhere....just listen to
the CW portions of the bands. Lots of folks quite active on CW, and I hope it
increases. It should hold a bit of a cache to be able to say "I'm a CW op."
Just wish I had a better ear for it. But, I am working on it! Don't wait on
CW to be removed as a test element...get it and be able to say, "I DID learn
CW!" and be proud of it.
Andrew
Matt
access is one of the areas being voted for (and it appears likely that it
will be removed as a requirement for access). It will then depend on your
countries regulatory body as to when CW will be removed as a requirement for
HF access.
Matt
"Greg" <cpu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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kc2ftn@arrl.net*** Mike KC2FTN
the CW requirement for HF is Russia. Perhaps they're still in the dark-age
of spark-gap transmitters, or maybe they just can't quite get with the
program yet. Whether we like it or not, the future is digital folks.
Mike
"Matt" <piss...@spammers.com> wrote in message
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Roger Halstead
Only the "recognition" of the code. I do not believe there is any
speed requirement in the international agreement.
Unlike many with my class of license, I don't believe the code need be
a requirement, but it certainly adds another dimension and it is still
has a valid use for emergency communications and in some cases can be
a requirement.
We tend to think of the ease and mostly error free data transmissions
on packet, but there are times when neither voice, nor digital are a
choice, or even the preferred choices.
In a worst case scenario the equipment is simple from both the receive
and transmit side. The transmitter is easy to build from a wide
variety of parts although doing so with solid state from scratch might
take a bit of knowledge <:-))
Actually in the worst case scenario CW has lost none of the advantages
it has had since day one. OTOH leaving the CW to those who wish to
learn it is probably a better choice than requiring it of every one.
BUT, it will *probably* be some years before it is eliminated entirely
from the tests. MY *guess* would be five to ten years.
HOWEVER, I still think they should have kept the Extra at 20 WPM as it
is after all a "prestige" license. <:-)) What else do you gain except
the self satisfaction of having passed it?
Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>Thanks,
>Greg
>
hammer
"Greg" <cpu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If they go to a no-code license and thousands are on the air that DID put
out the effort to learn it, why not take all the present code-licensees
and "up" them one grade level? Advanced becomes Extra etc. If that's not
the case, it's like a home owner buying a house for $200,000 when he
later finds out he can get the thing for free. For once, Russia wanting
to keep the code, might have the right idea.
WA8ULX
>out the effort to learn it, why not take all the present code-licensees
>and "up" them one grade level?
Because the No-Coders would whine that its not FAIR
DougSlug
shown us that some "coders" can be just as much of a pain in the ass as you
say the no-coders are. Give it up already and act like an adult.
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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VHFRadioBuff
>shown us that some "coders" can be just as much of a pain in the ass as you
>say the no-coders are. Give it up already and act like an adult.
That's why every good kill file/newsgroup filter contains the email address
wa8...@aol.com. Adding it to your email filter is a good idea too, since he
likes to spam people too.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB (ex: KF4KHC/HL9HCT)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com
Fight Spam! http://spamcop.net
WA8ULX
>wa8...@aol.com. Adding it to your email filter is a good idea too, since he
>likes to spam people too.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>73! de Andy KC2SSB (ex: KF4KHC/HL9HCT)
Oh God the Biggest Cry Baby of them all. Andy is your typical No code, know
nothing, CBplusser Ham. Hell he doesnt even know the difference between .1 Watt
and .100 Watts. Andys a typical CBer, who really things hes a HAM.
hammer
wa8...@aol.com (WA8ULX) wrote:
One more step in the "dumbing of America." It seems to have picked up in
pace since the last election, too.
TOM
When they elected the new ARRL officers, or the FCC commissioners???
Tom - WA7TCD
John
alt.ham-radio.nocode group
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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TOM
> Why don't you 2 move your bickering to the alt.ham-radio.morse or
> alt.ham-radio.nocode group
Or to e-mail...
I have suggested this on other lists as well, but it rarely works. I
think the combatants either crave the attention they get when others,
like you and I, ask them to play nice or go to their rooms, or, perhaps
don't want to go one-on-one without an audience (it could be a WWE (nee:
WWF) thing...
Tom - WA7TCD
John
they seem to be rather troll like and only pop up to
bicker and fight.
I just thought I would make the cursory suggestion, and if it goes on add
the thread to an ignore status
and let the run without giving the attention they crave.
73
"TOM" <tom...@cox.net> wrote in message news:3EC7F0B6...@cox.net...
Dee D. Flint
HF
> access is one of the areas being voted for (and it appears likely that it
> will be removed as a requirement for access). It will then depend on your
> countries regulatory body as to when CW will be removed as a requirement
for
> HF access.
Well it was on the agenda at the last WRC conference and was supposed to be
voted on then. They never got to it. So being on the agenda doesn't mean
it will reach the floor for a vote.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dee D. Flint
"Mike KC2FTN" <*** kc2...@arrl.net ***> wrote in message
news:9Nixa.5886$5y5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> From what I've been reading, seems that the only country that STILL wants
> the CW requirement for HF is Russia. Perhaps they're still in the dark-age
> of spark-gap transmitters, or maybe they just can't quite get with the
> program yet. Whether we like it or not, the future is digital folks.
>
> Mike
>
CW is the original digital mode and remains the only digital mode that can
be transmitted by hand and received by ear. There have been many digital
modes come and go (RTTY, Amtor, Clover, Packet, and now PSK) but so far none
have had the popularity or longevity of CW. Digital modes, other than CW,
tend to be the "flavor of the day" and don't gain the substantial following
that CW does.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dr. John
FCC comissioners are elected? I thought they were appointed.
John
VHFRadioBuff
>
>I have suggested this on other lists as well, but it rarely works. I
>think the combatants either crave the attention they get when others,
>like you and I, ask them to play nice or go to their rooms, or, perhaps
>don't want to go one-on-one without an audience (it could be a WWE (nee:
>WWF) thing...
>
>Tom - WA7TCD
Assuming you're talking about Bruce and me, it's all one sided. Since he's in
my kill file, I don't see any rantings by him, so he wastes his time replying
to anything I post.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB (ex: KF4KHC/HL9HCT)
WA8ULX
>my kill file, I don't see any rantings by him, so he wastes his time replying
>to anything I post.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>73! de Andy KC2SSB
Anybody waste time replying to CB ANDY the Wimp.
sal.m...@sbcglobal.net
generations to the hobby. I see CW as a major hurdle for the younger
generations. Its like requiring that they learn to drive a steam train when
the want a licenses to drive a car. CW is clearly a wonderful tool and
hobby, however, I believe by removing the CW requirements will bring more
people to Ham Radio. Thus this will have two positive effects; 1. More Hams
means more support for the protection of our spectrums. 2. Ensuring that Ham
radio as a hobby and utility will carry on into the future.
"hammer" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
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Dee D. Flint
<sal.m...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> From my perspective, if Ham radio is to survive we need to entice younger
> generations to the hobby. I see CW as a major hurdle for the younger
> generations. Its like requiring that they learn to drive a steam train
when
> the want a licenses to drive a car. CW is clearly a wonderful tool and
> hobby, however, I believe by removing the CW requirements will bring more
> people to Ham Radio. Thus this will have two positive effects; 1. More
Hams
> means more support for the protection of our spectrums. 2. Ensuring that
Ham
> radio as a hobby and utility will carry on into the future.
There are more hams than ever before and the number of hams is growing
faster than the overall population so the argument that we need to drop the
morse code to get more hams is bogus.
In my personal experience, the young people are more fascinated by the code
than any other part of the hobby. When groups of young people visit a radio
club activity, they crowd around the morse code station in preference to the
voice station.
The current 5wpm is much easier than any of the written tests so it is in no
way a hurdle except to those who want something for nothing.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
joez
passed with flying colors.as a youngster (now 60) i was petrified of the
written test and never progressed past cb. also as a youngster i was
fasinated by the morse code aspects of my cheap little walkie talkie.. i
still have to restudy morse code to advance to the next step in my ham
persuits but i believe if you want something out of it you have to put
something into it.seems people want so many things to easy today.
yada yada yada
WA8ULX
>generations.
Why, does the Younger Generation have a learning disability?
>Its like requiring that they learn to drive a steam train when
>the want a licenses to drive a car.
No its not
>I believe by removing the CW requirements will bring more
>people to Ham Radio. Thus this will have two positive effects; 1. More Hams
>means more support for the protection of our spectrums. 2. Ensuring that Ham
>radio as a hobby and utility will carry on into the future.
Oh I see, you wont the Ceral Box License. Did you every thing Quality would be
a better way than large numbers. I know your going to tell me that once CW goes
away, we still will have that reaally tough Written Test. BS the written test
right5 now is a JOKE
Lushy
am death!!!!
"Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net> wrote in message
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Lushy
course you are over 60!!!!!news:20030614093500...@mb-m14.aol.com...
Dee D. Flint
"Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> Bull I cannot grasp it at all and have passed all the written stuff easy I
> am death!!!!
The problem is generally incorrect study methods and not putting in the
appropriate amount of time. People, for some strange reason, expect to
learn it practically overnight. That isn't going to happen. The average
person needs 30 hours of study and practice using a good study method to get
to 5 wpm.
Get SuperMorse, NuMorse, Codequick, G4FON, or any of several other computer
programs. Follow the directions. Don't move ahead too soon. Spend 15
minutes twice a day every day for 60 days and you should have it. Some
people may get it quicker and some may take a bit longer. Even if it takes
a little longer, at the end of the 60 days, you will have a lot of it and
will be able to see that you don't have that much further to go.
You learned to walk, talk, read, and write. All of these tasks are much
more difficult to learn than Morse code.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Todd
good for everybody.
Boy Scouts learn cw all the time, youngsters don't have trouble learning -
that's what they do best.
I wasn't petrified when I took my test, I was excited because I knew I was
ready and was about to accomplish something that meant something to me, it
was something I had worked for, something I was about to be rewarded with
and that reward was the privilege to talk on the ham bands. If you don't
earn it, you don't deserve it. Would you like some cheese with that whine
sir? Stop complaining about everything being too hard, its BS and you know
it! Your only fooling your self. Stand on your own two feet and do what
you have to do, nobodies going to do for you.
yada yada yada
"joez" <jo...@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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RadioNerd
that nearly 12% of the population has. They just can't learn morse. I
can't write without my spelling checker, and I can't send or receive
morse because in my mind the dots and dashes run together into a
meaningless jumble. I'm a professional electronics engineer and have
been for over twenty years. I can pass all the written tests up to and
including the Advanced level, but without morse I'm locked out of the
HF bands. It's a totally unfair arrangement.
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:38:38 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net>
wrote:
Dee D. Flint
"RadioNerd" <Radi...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> And what are the people that have Dyslexia-? It's a common condition
> that nearly 12% of the population has. They just can't learn morse. I
> can't write without my spelling checker, and I can't send or receive
> morse because in my mind the dots and dashes run together into a
> meaningless jumble. I'm a professional electronics engineer and have
> been for over twenty years. I can pass all the written tests up to and
> including the Advanced level, but without morse I'm locked out of the
> HF bands. It's a totally unfair arrangement.
>
>
I don't buy that. You can talk and read. Spend enough time and use the
proper training tools and you can do it. You passed your electronics
courses so you could do this too.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Matt
next WRC which is in the next month or so? that CW will be removed as a
prereq for access to HF. If people wish to keep on using it, then feel free
to do so - I certainly will not be stopping you.
Matt
"Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:3eeb...@news.alphalink.com.au...
Steve KA4TMB
testing for Morse (for those with disabilities). I know they used to. With
nearly 12% of the population having Dyslexia, I don't think the ARRL just
left "upgraders" hanging if code is the problem.
Try this link. Search for any words you are looking for:
http://www.arrl.org/ You may have to go to the Member's Only area for some
additional info.
Or try this link:
Handi-Hams: Amateur Radio & Technology for people with disabilities
http://www.mtn.org/handiham/
I hope this helps.
Steve KA4TMB
"RadioNerd" <Radi...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Roger Halstead
wrote:
>
>"Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
>news:3eeb...@news.alphalink.com.au...
>> Bull I cannot grasp it at all and have passed all the written stuff easy I
>> am death!!!!
>
>The problem is generally incorrect study methods and not putting in the
>appropriate amount of time. People, for some strange reason, expect to
>learn it practically overnight. That isn't going to happen. The average
>person needs 30 hours of study and practice using a good study method to get
>to 5 wpm.
>
It just takes consistency.
It only took me a few hours to get where I had the code memorized (as
sounds) and a couple more listening to the Novice bands to actually
copy 5 WPM, but "on average it takes about 30 hours for each level.
Getting to the 13 WPM must have taken me at least another 30 of
serious practice. To get 20 didn't take much more than that as 20 is
easier to copy than 13. (It just takes the proper mind set and
consistent practice.
>Get SuperMorse, NuMorse, Codequick, G4FON, or any of several other computer
>programs. Follow the directions. Don't move ahead too soon. Spend 15
>minutes twice a day every day for 60 days and you should have it. Some
>people may get it quicker and some may take a bit longer. Even if it takes
>a little longer, at the end of the 60 days, you will have a lot of it and
>will be able to see that you don't have that much further to go.
>
>You learned to walk, talk, read, and write. All of these tasks are much
>more difficult to learn than Morse code.
Even with the punctuation there aren't all that many characters to
memorize. When I was in the High School play I had a good hours worth
of dialog to memorize and we only had roughly 3 weeks. The code was a
whale of a lot easier than that.
OTOH when it comes to active hams, we sure don't seem to have as many
as we used to as there just isn't the purchasing going on at the swaps
we used to see 20 years ago.
Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Roger Halstead
wrote:
>Well change the test then - Morse is dead subject in the water unless of
>course you are over 60!!!!!
Why on earth would you say that. When it comes to emergency services
and traffic handling for the EOC CW proficiency is one of the desired
capabilities.
I may not believe the CW test is necessary, but CW is far from being
dead in many areas.
Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
<snip>
WA8ULX
Life is unfair, find another Hobby where you are willing to put in the EFFORT.
WA8ULX
>course you are over 60!!!!!
Im not over 60
WA8ULX
>testing for Morse (for those with disabilities). I know they used to.
I dont think they have a testing system for the Brain Dead
WA8ULX
I dont know what about the people who are Brain Dead, or just to lazy to learn
>I can pass all the written tests up to and
>including the Advanced level
Big deal, anyone with no knowledge can pass the test now.
Dave VanHorn
> Why on earth would you say that. When it comes to emergency services
> and traffic handling for the EOC CW proficiency is one of the desired
> capabilities.
Where?
We never have used CW in our EOC, and don't anticipate using it ever.
Voice, SlowScan, and APRS constantly.
Dee D. Flint
"Roger Halstead" <rdha...@tm.net> wrote in message
news:4q8oevodl9ues6fk2...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:44:31 +1000, "Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Well change the test then - Morse is dead subject in the water unless of
> >course you are over 60!!!!!
>
> Why on earth would you say that. When it comes to emergency services
> and traffic handling for the EOC CW proficiency is one of the desired
> capabilities.
>
> I may not believe the CW test is necessary, but CW is far from being
> dead in many areas.
On top of that, I heard a lot of people switch to CW on this weekend's VHF
contest if they couldn't quite copy on voice. This was particularly true on
the 440 band.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Roland Stiner
> faster than the overall population so the argument that we need to drop
the
> morse code to get more hams is bogus.
True, trouble is that very FEW are on the air!
Bands are dead
Roland
WA8ULX
>contest if they couldn't quite copy on voice. This was particularly true on
>the 440 band.
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dee your waisting your time, all your talking to are a bunch of Brain Dead CB
Whinners.
Dee D. Flint
"Roland Stiner" <nk...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
news:XZ2Ha.11$B5...@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
Yes they have been in bad shape but there has been CW activity nevertheless.
Eventually the bands do recover.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
PawPaw
That's true-
You did :-^)
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Roland Stiner
nevertheless.
> Eventually the bands do recover.
They do but ham radio's dying, and dying fast. I bet that less than 1/10th
of hams are active.. Sad.
Roland
RadioNerd
appear switched around in your mind. Thus the word "banana" (thanks to
my spell checker) appears as "nbnnaa**" so the morse characters come
through scrambled.(a "..-." sounds like "...-" or just a blur. ) I was
lucky in my math classes in college. The professor had a dyslexic
daughter and understood my problem. He allowed me the extra time to
finish exams and in working out problems. It took me 11.5 hours to
finish my final exam, which everyone else finished in three hours.
Each problem was tedious and took me several extra pages as I had to
rewrite each step several times so I could make sure I had things in
the right places.
As for your comment on "spend enough time and use the proper training
tools..." what amount of time and what tools would you use to teach
a deaf person to hear, or a blind person to see? Both a deaf person
and a blind person may have excellent skills in the arts or sciences,
but no matter how much time or what tools used they'll never learn to
hear or see.
Okay, I've spent twenty minutes writing this. I hope you'll spend 10
minutes researching Dyslexia and find out what you're talking about.
RadioNerd
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:23:17 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net>
wrote:
>
Dee D. Flint
> Not the same thing! With Dyslexia you can read a word and the letters
> appear switched around in your mind. Thus the word "banana" (thanks to
> my spell checker) appears as "nbnnaa**" so the morse characters come
> through scrambled.(a "..-." sounds like "...-" or just a blur. ) I was
> lucky in my math classes in college. The professor had a dyslexic
> daughter and understood my problem. He allowed me the extra time to
> finish exams and in working out problems. It took me 11.5 hours to
> finish my final exam, which everyone else finished in three hours.
> Each problem was tedious and took me several extra pages as I had to
> rewrite each step several times so I could make sure I had things in
> the right places.
>
> As for your comment on "spend enough time and use the proper training
> tools..." what amount of time and what tools would you use to teach
> a deaf person to hear, or a blind person to see? Both a deaf person
> and a blind person may have excellent skills in the arts or sciences,
> but no matter how much time or what tools used they'll never learn to
> hear or see.
>
> Okay, I've spent twenty minutes writing this. I hope you'll spend 10
> minutes researching Dyslexia and find out what you're talking about.
>
First of all, there is a difference between visual and aural. If you had
aural dyslexia to the extent you cannot learn morse code, you could not have
learned to talk. There are also accommodations that can be made.
I have several times described the training approaches on this and other
news groups. Until you have faithfully followed one of the many excellent
methods for a total of 30 to 60 hours, you do not know if you can learn it
or not.
As far as letters being blurred or heard incorrectly, every beginner has
that problem. It takes TIME to learn. It takes TIME to develop the ability
to discriminate between the sounds.
You see we have a dyslexic club member and he is learning the code. He is
progressing quite nicely and he has every expectation of being able to pass
the code.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dave VanHorn
> First of all, there is a difference between visual and aural. If you had
> aural dyslexia to the extent you cannot learn morse code, you could not
have
> learned to talk.
Is that your clinical opinion Dr?
> You see we have a dyslexic club member and he is learning the code. He is
> progressing quite nicely and he has every expectation of being able to
pass
> the code.
And of course all dyslexics are the same, right?
WA8ULX
Face it your just a lazy useless Whinner
.>And of course all dyslexics are the same, right?
>
Can you think of another Excuse?
Dave VanHorn
Better check those powers of observation, you're insulting the wrong guy.
me up @qrz.com Donnie
Quit all this useless arguing, spend a few bucks buy the code quick program and learn the 5wpm.
20 minutes each evening and you will know it (rock solid). I earned my 13wpm with it.
Monkeys at the local zoo can do 5wpm. you are much more intelligent right?
The time you spent here arguing could have been applied to learning the first 8 characters of
Morse Code.
'' you can learn it'' think positive and you will be successful......
Donnie (N4JZH)
''Behold how good and well brethren dwell together in unity''
Lou Hinshaw
>Not the same thing! With Dyslexia you can read a word and the letters
>appear switched around in your mind. Thus the word "banana" (thanks to
>my spell checker) appears as "nbnnaa**" so the morse characters come
>through scrambled.(a "..-." sounds like "...-" or just a blur. ) I was
>lucky in my math classes in college. The professor had a dyslexic
>daughter and understood my problem. He allowed me the extra time to
>finish exams and in working out problems. It took me 11.5 hours to
>finish my final exam, which everyone else finished in three hours.
>Each problem was tedious and took me several extra pages as I had to
>rewrite each step several times so I could make sure I had things in
>the right places.
>As for your comment on "spend enough time and use the proper training
>tools..." what amount of time and what tools would you use to teach
>a deaf person to hear, or a blind person to see? Both a deaf person
>and a blind person may have excellent skills in the arts or sciences,
>but no matter how much time or what tools used they'll never learn to
>hear or see.
You are changing the subject. Blind or deaf is not dyslexic, and you
answered the question yourself. It took you TIME (11.5 hr) to take
your finals, (instead of 3).
"Anent The Blind Shall Never See", as though you were quoting some god,
I developed a way to help the blind see, the deaf hear, and the lame walk
over 30 years ago, but I cannot sell. Every time I try to show it to smoeone,
I make a stranger from a friend. They panic. The pros see such a thing as
a threat to their incomes.
One friend whom I told about it saw a book on the subject in a weird bookstore,
THAT HAD BEEN TRANSLATED FROM THE FRENCH IN 1910.
The world is full of people who will use any excuse to justify their failures.
Mine is not only dyslexia, it is AADD, and some medical problems.
In my dyslexia, however, the prob is not juxtaposition, it is that the words
simply do not get into my mind, till I have fought the prob for a few years.
>Okay, I've spent twenty minutes writing this. I hope you'll spend 10
>minutes researching Dyslexia and find out what you're talking about.
>RadioNerd
If you get with ARRL, and FCC over this prob, they will show you a way around it.
If you have the good luck to meet a real person.
Good luck
Tom in Reno
WA8ULX
I think you found the problem, most new Hams cant compete with Monkeys.
WA8ULX
I see you know how to read, next step, get yourself a REAL HAM LICENSE.
Dan/W4NTI
something. Typical liberal mindset. I want I want I want and I want it for
free because I deserve it attitude.
Dan/W4NTI
"Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3eeb...@news.alphalink.com.au...
> > Bull I cannot grasp it at all and have passed all the written stuff easy
I
> > am death!!!!
>
> The problem is generally incorrect study methods and not putting in the
> appropriate amount of time. People, for some strange reason, expect to
> learn it practically overnight. That isn't going to happen. The average
> person needs 30 hours of study and practice using a good study method to
get
> to 5 wpm.
>
> Get SuperMorse, NuMorse, Codequick, G4FON, or any of several other
computer
> programs. Follow the directions. Don't move ahead too soon. Spend 15
> minutes twice a day every day for 60 days and you should have it. Some
> people may get it quicker and some may take a bit longer. Even if it
takes
> a little longer, at the end of the 60 days, you will have a lot of it and
> will be able to see that you don't have that much further to go.
>
> You learned to walk, talk, read, and write. All of these tasks are much
> more difficult to learn than Morse code.
>
> Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
>
Dan/W4NTI
take to your doctor. Have him fill it out that your physical/mental
limitations make it impossible for you to do the Morse Code requirement.
Take it back to the VE team and if needed pass the written test for the
class you want.
This particular 'exemption' has been around for years.
Next excuse?
Dan/W4NTI
"RadioNerd" <Radi...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> And what are the people that have Dyslexia-? It's a common condition
> that nearly 12% of the population has. They just can't learn morse. I
> can't write without my spelling checker, and I can't send or receive
> morse because in my mind the dots and dashes run together into a
> meaningless jumble. I'm a professional electronics engineer and have
> been for over twenty years. I can pass all the written tests up to and
> including the Advanced level, but without morse I'm locked out of the
> HF bands. It's a totally unfair arrangement.
>
>
Dan/W4NTI
In fact thousands of contesters worldwide are under 60 and CW contest. In
fact CW participation has increased over the years.
Next time 'Lushy' get your facts together before engaging mouth.
Next.
Dan/W4NTI
"Lushy" <sho...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> Well change the test then - Morse is dead subject in the water unless of
> course you are over 60!!!!!
> "WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030614093500...@mb-m14.aol.com...
> > >I see CW as a major hurdle for the younger
> > >generations.
> >
> > Why, does the Younger Generation have a learning disability?
> >
> > >Its like requiring that they learn to drive a steam train when
> > >the want a licenses to drive a car.
> >
> > No its not
> >
> > >I believe by removing the CW requirements will bring more
> > >people to Ham Radio. Thus this will have two positive effects; 1. More
> Hams
> > >means more support for the protection of our spectrums. 2. Ensuring
that
> Ham
> > >radio as a hobby and utility will carry on into the future.
> >
> > Oh I see, you wont the Ceral Box License. Did you every thing Quality
> would be
> > a better way than large numbers. I know your going to tell me that once
CW
> goes
> > away, we still will have that reaally tough Written Test. BS the written
> test
> > right5 now is a JOKE
>
>
Dan/W4NTI
agree to drop it at this WRC doesn't mean the FCC will also. Who knows.
Dan/W4NTI
"Matt" <piss...@spammers.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know why this arguement keeps on coming up. It seems that with
the
> next WRC which is in the next month or so? that CW will be removed as a
> prereq for access to HF. If people wish to keep on using it, then feel
free
> to do so - I certainly will not be stopping you.
>
>
>
>
> Matt
Dan/W4NTI
been on/off of VHF since 1962 and the CW activity was NIL back then. Now a
days its like a HF band. I love it.
Dan/W4NTI
"Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net> wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI
Dan/W4NTI
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dee D. Flint
"Dan/W4NTI" <w4...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> No it is not 'RadioNerd'. Just go to your local VE team and get a form to
> take to your doctor. Have him fill it out that your physical/mental
> limitations make it impossible for you to do the Morse Code requirement.
> Take it back to the VE team and if needed pass the written test for the
> class you want.
>
> This particular 'exemption' has been around for years.
>
> Next excuse?
>
> Dan/W4NTI
>
There has not been a total exemption from the code. One had to pass the
5wpm but could get exempted from the 13wpm and 20wpm for disabilities. The
5wpm could use various accommodations but could not be skipped. Today with
a 5wpm requirement across the board, the exemption has been discontinued.
Dee D Flint, N8UZE
WA8ULX
>been on/off of VHF since 1962 and the CW activity was NIL back then. Now a
>days its like a HF band. I love it.
>
>Dan/W4NTI
Dan the last few days of Openings and even during the Contest, I found more CW
on 6 then ever before. I guess these clowns who want there Ceral Box License
will LIE about anything to get one.
Chuck / KE4ETH
What is your view on someone getting credit for having past the code test
30 years ago eith a novice license?
Just wondering
Chuck
KE4ETH
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dr. John
John
Voltaire:
"What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error;
let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature."
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:20:32 GMT, "PawPaw" <Paw...@granpa.com> belch-spoke these words:
Dr. John
>>Morse is dead subject in the water unless of
>>course you are over 60!!!!!
>
>Im not over 60
http://www.qrz.com/detail/WA8ULX says you are 305.
Birthday: 24 May 1698
Buwahahahahaha.
John
WA8ULX
>
> What is your view on someone getting credit for having past the code test
>30 years ago eith a novice license?
>
>Just wondering
>
>Chuck
>KE4ETH
Hadnt thought about it, but were talking 5 WPM now for General.
Tom in Reno
"Dan/W4NTI" <w4...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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WA8ULX
And dont you ever forget it. I just had a Birthday and not 1 of you said Happy
Birthday.
Tom in Reno
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI
does that say something eh?
Dan/W4NTI
"Dee D. Flint" <dee...@qix.net> wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI
Dan/W4NTI
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI
Dan/W4NTI
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Dan/W4NTI
Dan/W4NTI
"Tom in Reno" <radioac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dee D. Flint
> >Is that your clinical opinion Dr?
>
> Face it your just a lazy useless Whinner
>
> .>And of course all dyslexics are the same, right?
> >
>
> Can you think of another Excuse?
While you are entitled to your opinions about the person, I really don't
need this kind of "help" in a debate.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dee D. Flint
"Dave VanHorn" <dvan...@cedar.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> > First of all, there is a difference between visual and aural. If you
had
> > aural dyslexia to the extent you cannot learn morse code, you could not
> have
> > learned to talk.
>
> Is that your clinical opinion Dr?
>
is
> > progressing quite nicely and he has every expectation of being able to
> pass
> > the code.
>
> And of course all dyslexics are the same, right?
>
You actually implied all dyslexics were the same by using that as the reason
you believed you couldn't learn the code. You gave no specifics beyond
stating that you had dyslexia thus implying that all dyslexics would have
the same problem.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
>
WA8ULX
>
>Dan/W4NTI
Mine is actually this Month Dan, but I thought since the guy went to all the
trouble to look me up on QRZ, I would make him think he didnt waste his time.
WA8ULX
Oh I see, you dont have the ability to get a real Ham Ticket.
WA8ULX
>
>Dan/W4NTI
Dan it takes very little EFFORT. We better not say to many things Bad about
them Dan. I would hate to hurt there feelings. Yea right.
WA8ULX
>
>Dan/W4NTI
You know they did
WA8ULX
>need this kind of "help" in a debate.
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
>
Im not here to give you any HELP.
Dee D. Flint
Let me put it another way then. When I am in the midst of a debate, I do
not want non-value added comments from observers. If you had data on
dyslexia, for example, to contribute, that would be fine but comments based
on emotion and feelings serve no purpose but to degrade the debate. The
result is that it becomes impossible rather than merely difficult to change
the opinion of the other party in the debate.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
WA8ULX
>not want non-value added comments from observers. If you had data on
>dyslexia, for example, to contribute, that would be fine but comments based
>on emotion and feelings serve no purpose but to degrade the debate. The
>result is that it becomes impossible rather than merely difficult to change
>the opinion of the other party in the debate.
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Let me put it another way,since this is an open discussion group I will
comment as I feel. Secondly your not about to change the other parties
opinions, his only comments are Excusses. If the the truth was none, he is
either to lazy, or to stupid to put forth the Effort for the 5 WPM Test.
Dee D. Flint
While it is an open group, thus meaning that you can make whatever comments
you wish, any rational person would think twice before sabotaging someone
else's efforts. You have no doubt solidified the person's position to not
attempt learning code with your useless comments. Such comments are harmful
to the whole amateur radio hobby.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
WA8ULX
>attempt learning code with your useless comments.
Get real Dee, the Guy never had any plans on learing CW, hes just a Whinner
that wants the General given to him.
>Such comments are harmful
>to the whole amateur radio hobby.
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
You have to be kidding, the harm to Ham Radio was done without any of my
comments. If you want to put the Blame on the Harm that has been done to Ham
Radio. I suggest you complain to the FCC and ARRL, there the ones who think
Dumbing Down at any cost is worth it.
Next step in complete Dumbing Down will occur when there is No-CW test, then
we will hear why should I have to pass a written. Its not FAIR. Get Real DEE.
Steve KA4TMB
Steve KA4TMB
"Dr. John" <frel...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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WA8ULX
Yep we sure did, and no Brain Dead CBplussers either.
Dave VanHorn
> >
>
> You actually implied all dyslexics were the same by using that as the
reason
> you believed you couldn't learn the code. You gave no specifics beyond
> stating that you had dyslexia thus implying that all dyslexics would have
> the same problem.
>
> Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
>
Apparently there is a reading or cognitive disability here.
Show me a message FROM ME, that says that.
Tom in Reno
is a perfect example of a NO NOTHING extra.
"<wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Tom in Reno
waisting ) geez
"Dan/W4NTI" <w4...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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Shadow
This is the kind of attitude that turns a lot of folks away from the radio
hobby,
they will get there Tech or Tech with code
and when they do get the chance to get on an HF frequency they find
these High and Mighty people that will not talk to them because they feel
that they don't have a REAL ticket, like they are inferior to them because
they pass
the test that are laid out before them.
It is this closed mindedness that hurts our hobby as much as anything else.
Just my 2 cents worth for this discussion that seems to be just a lot of
name calling now.
John
N5BSD / WPXD462
(soon to be General Class N5BSD)
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Chuck / KE4ETH
Does having taken the code years ago and credit now still amke one a CB
plusser. I do wish your opinion on that.
Chuck
Chuck / KE4ETH
about the Clintons.
When Hillary found out about Bill's affair, she said, "She couldn't breath".
Bill had said, "I didn't inhale". That's a family with respiratory problems.
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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WA8ULX
>is a perfect example of a NO NOTHING extra.
Oh I see, you cant pass the TEST
Dan/W4NTI
begins to complain about sentence structure and spelling? Poor babies.
Maybe next time they will stay out of the fight knowing they know squat from
shinola.
Dan/W4NTI
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Yep. Those NO NOTHING extra people that can't spell. lol (
> >waisting ) geez
>
> Isnt it a shame
Dan/W4NTI
has a point. Glad I passed mine back in the 70s, in front of the FCC, with
the real code test. Not that I think I'm superior. But at least it wasn't
given to me.
Dan/W4NTI
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI
requirements...shall I say 'dumb down' ??
Forcing all those to a lower standard. Then bitch and moan if they have to
actually learn something.
Not to mention the attitude of the newcomers 'know it all'. And when advise
is asked and given...we get attacked and told we are too old. Wrong
generation, NO NOTHING EXTRAS. ETC.
I for one DO NOT FEEL SUPERIOR. If you have a license to operate on the
frequency I am on...and I can hear you. I will be more than happy to talk
with you.
In fact I operate 99% in the General class subbands. Because thats where
most of my friends are. And when I do CW I do the same. And guess what ??
When called by someone slower I slow down to their speed.
So dont generalize John. In fact take a real close look at the attackers
here.
Dan/W4NTI
"Shadow" <shdwdrgn(NOSPAM)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Shadow
I have been working on my code since I passed my General Theory in February
(same day the shuttle came down :( actually)
and I do hope to get the code test taken when I visit Ham Com
luckily I don't have to drive far, I live close :)
I am hoping to improve my speed so I can QSO at 20+ WPM, but hey I'll do my
steps first
tried to go from 0 to 20 in one shot
worked for about 4 letters then I was lost.
and yes the arguments I see in here do sadden me somewhat
no one really wants to do anything, they do want everything now
and gripe if they have to do anything to get it.
I hope they keep the code, even if it is only 5 WPM
just wish they would get the regulations on what credit people get straight
the CQ I just picked up the other day has a bit on it, will have to read the
actual
guidelines,
but sounds to me like a big mess of mumbo jumbo and a lot of BS to me.
well enough of this for now
I must eat
73
John
N5BSD / WPXD462
"Dan/W4NTI" <w4...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> No John...the REAL problem is generated from those that want to drop the
> requirements...shall I say 'dumb down' ??
< ----- Snipped for Space ----- >
W8CRZ
I feel morse code SHOULD be required for the same reasons.We have alot of
great people on the bands and we'd like to keep it that way. If they have to
work a little to get it, they will respect it.I am having alot of trouble
with CW but I will get it.I do like the idea of the first ticket not needing
cw but if you want to go farther you will learn it.Just my 2 cents.
Fire at will!
W8CRZnews:20030614093500...@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >I see CW as a major hurdle for the younger
> >generations.
>
> Why, does the Younger Generation have a learning disability?
>
> >Its like requiring that they learn to drive a steam train when
> >the want a licenses to drive a car.
>
> No its not
>
> >I believe by removing the CW requirements will bring more
> >people to Ham Radio. Thus this will have two positive effects; 1. More
Hams
> >means more support for the protection of our spectrums. 2. Ensuring that
Ham
> >radio as a hobby and utility will carry on into the future.
>
> Oh I see, you wont the Ceral Box License. Did you every thing Quality
would be
> a better way than large numbers. I know your going to tell me that once CW
goes
> away, we still will have that reaally tough Written Test. BS the written
test
> right5 now is a JOKE
WA8ULX
>I feel morse code SHOULD be required for the same reasons.We have alot of
>great people on the bands and we'd like to keep it that way. If they have to
>work a little to get it, they will respect it.I am having alot of trouble
>with CW but I will get it.I do like the idea of the first ticket not needing
>cw but if you want to go farther you will learn it.Just my 2 cents.
>Fire at will!
>W8CRZ
Oh my GOD a Real New Ham. And not even Whinning about the CW. All you No-Code
Whinners take a lesson from this New Ham