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--K5ZN
Gnarlodious
I was waiting in line with several others while the cashier interrogated a
customer.
1) Name, first and last
2) Telephone number
3) Address
4) Social security number
I interrupted his reciting his SS number, demanding loudly why the cashier
needed to collect this information in public. The cashier, who also is the
store owner got angry and told me it is Radio Shack policy to collect this
information as part of the "Contract" between seller and purchaser. I turned
to the line of waiting customers and began lecturing about invasion of
privacy and identity theft. The owner started yelling about how I had to
leave immediately or he would call the police. So I left.
Please register your dismay at your local Radio Shack store at this policy
which is an invasion of privacy and invites crime. Do not participate in
this "Marketing Strategy" which only serves to desensitize consumers as to
their personal rights.
Thank you & 73
--Rachel
http://www.qsl.net/k5zn/
Bob Reed
the SSN.
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Larry Deitcher
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Ralph Mowery
> the SSN.
>
If they did require the SSN I would go with another service. I am not sure
of the law now, but if it was not for some US Government form (mostly for
taxes but it could be others) , it used to be against the law to require you
to give out your ssn.
Gnarlodious
>> If the person was signing up for a wireless phone account they do require
>> the SSN.
>>
> If they did require the SSN I would go with another service.
My point exactly, and especially in public. If they require a SSN they
should have the customer fill out a form in writing rather than announce to
everyone present.
> it used to be against the law to require you
> to give out your ssn.
Last time I renewed my driver's license it didn't have my SSN on it like the
previous one did. They explained that it was now a state law for security of
the individual.
-- K5ZN
http://www.qsl.net/k5zn/
Tarmo Tammaru
purchase. Possibly, because they no lomger send out (or print) a catalog.
Tam/WB2TT
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Ralph Mowery
a
> purchase. Possibly, because they no lomger send out (or print) a catalog.
They did not ask me for anything yesterday on a $ 20 purchase. If places
have a good warrenty service like a battery I purchased from autozone a few
years ago it would be ok. The battery in my car went dead and I got a new
one. Did not think it was covered as I had forgotten how long I had had it.
They asked for my name and telephone number. The computer popped up that
the battery still had a year to go on the warrenty and they saved me about $
10. Not much money but very nice of them . I will go back to that store as
much as I can for car parts just for that reason.
Dean Arthur
>
I ask if they are going to match the 496.80 check I get each month. If
the answer is "No," then they don't get the number. Any service I get
which requires it will not get it until I receive a letter over the
store owner's signature. The signer is then responsible for any misuse
of the number since no one else outside of gov't has it.
Roger Halstead
You must not live in the US. Here, any financial institution, credit
card issuer, lending institution, credit clearing house has *either*
your SS#, OR a taxpayer Identification number. If you buy and or sell
stocks it is also required. Your SS# is widely and legally used by
quite a few organizations.
You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Topaz305RK
In Montana your SSN is your drivers license number
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opposed to speaking out loud.
I think, because of credit checks, they need that for certain things like
cell phones, satellite dish service, and any credit card sign-ups. But
again, there should be some way that this could either be written down by
the customer and also the sales rep should have some way of either calling
the information in, in a way to protect privacy, such as keying the social
security number via touch-tone pad.
I used to support Rat Shack but since they have gone the way of only
computers, cell phones and satellite dishes and barely anything close to
radio anymore, I probably won't be shopping there much anymore......
--
Ryan KC8PMX
"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."
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Gnarlodious
> In Montana your SSN is your drivers license number
Expect that to change as Identity Theft takes its toll.
Washington AND New Mexico outlawed it, now you have a Motor Vehicle assigned
ID.
http://www.qsl.net/k5zn/
Ed Price
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Yeah, your SSN was not allowed to be an identification number. But now, your
government looks at you a bit differently, and that string of digits has
become your Taxpayer Identification Number. Pay up, sucker.
Ed
Ghost writer
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Yes, at one time, it had become illegal to require the SSN on certain
documents. But life has changed. Beginning to sound like the "666 - Mark of
the Beast" If you don't show it, NO DEAL! According to scripture, you won't
be able to even buy food with out it. Hmmmmm. Interesting concept. I'm not a
very religious person, but it all sure seems to be coming together. Maybe
they of history had the 666 part wrong, but their vision may have been on
the mark as it were. Very interesting indeed.
I've seen R.S. people ask the person to write their SSN on a slip of paper
when applying for things as well. A more subtle way of doing it so it isn't
blurted out. What "I" detest is when going to some government offices, they
keep you in the open and do just the same as most accuse RS of doing. You'd
think the Govt of all people, would be more inclined to honor privacy and
security. They want to know your SSN, your purpose for the visit, etc. It is
no one else's business what you're there for. G.W.
Steve Silverwood
says...
> Around here, they finally stopped asking for your name every time you make a
> purchase. Possibly, because they no lomger send out (or print) a catalog.
Likewise, but they DO send out some direct-mail flyers.
--
-- //Steve//
Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email: kb6...@arrl.net
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve
Roger Halstead
wrote:
Mine says right on it, "Not to be used for identification purposes".
(It's an old number)<sigh>
Ryan, KC8PMX
certain transactions do require the social sec. number. Just don't ever buy
anything that requires one I guess.
Ryan
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> "Ryan, KC8PMX" <REMOVETH...@diamondcs.net> wrote:
>
> >Even still they should give the person the opportunity to write that down
as
> >opposed to speaking out loud.
>
> The bottom line is it's NOT THERE CONCERN. Tell them here is the
> money, FXCK anything else!
>
Ryan, KC8PMX
--
Ryan KC8PMX
"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."
>
Ian Graeme
Ralph Mowery wrote:
However, a private company CAN deny you their services for any reason
not specified under equal opportunity laws. You don't HAVE to give them
the SSAN, they don't HAVE to give you a cell phone.
Roger Halstead
<REMOVETH...@diamondcs.net> wrote:
>Hey Roger, isn't yours something like 000-000-0002???? Just kidding!
Close but you have the grouping wrong.
001-01-0100 The officials all got the low numbers when they first
started out.<:-)) But if it says "Not to be used for Identification"
printed on it, it has to have been around more than a little
while<sigh>
Roger Halstead
<REMOVETH...@diamondcs.net> wrote:
>Yeah... you are right for a normal cash sale. But as the message stated,
>certain transactions do require the social sec. number. Just don't ever buy
>anything that requires one I guess.
I wonder if that would be like trying to rent a car without a credit
card?
You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
- - Bill - -
a damn bit of difference to anybody.
-Bill M
Michael A. Terrell
>
> 001-01-0100 The officials all got the low numbers when they first
> started out.<:-)) But if it says "Not to be used for Identification"
> printed on it, it has to have been around more than a little
> while<sigh>
>
On the front of mine it says "For Social Security and tax purposes -
Not for identification"
On the back of mine it says "FORM OA-702. Rev (9-61)
--
I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
- - Bill - -
> On the front of mine it says "For Social Security and tax purposes -
> Not for identification"
> On the back of mine it says "FORM OA-702. Rev (9-61)
Michael A, yours seems as old as mine. I lost my wallet with the SS
card in Myrtle Beach when I was a teenager...1969-ish. It showed up in
the mailbox about a year later with the card and the 12 dollars still
there, sent from one of the shops on the strip.
I proceeded to lose it again and never got a replacement but I still
have the old mailer with the substitute card attached.
When I opened a bank account at one bank they refused to accept this as
'official' and obliged me to present a copy of a tax return with the number.
Another bank requested no evidence.
Duh-wuh, talk about high security.
I'm sure matching a SS to to a name may facilitate a clown bent on
identity theft but you can go to any number of legit sites on the
internet and match names and SS numbers, do a scam, and be gone. It
would be silly to work so hard to do this while standing in line at
Radio Shack or the DMV.
I agree that the SS numbering system is grossly abused...for that same
reason your number is hardly a guarded secret anymore. I get the annual
mailings at my address for a guy who lived here a decade ago that show
all his retirement perks, ss-number, et al.
Its laughable that someone could be offended by revealing this 'secret
number' but at the same time there's no reason that anyone like RS
should 'need' it.
The secret system is kaput. Just give 'em a number so they can fill in
the fields on their screen. Thats all they really want.
-Bill
Ryan, KC8PMX
social security number and offended by being asked for one, that they should
avoid any transaction requires one for the transaction!
--
Ryan KC8PMX
"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."
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Dean Arthur
I don't use banks - so no SSN requirement there.
Travel by recumbent - ditto!
Sublet - ditto!
Guy P. Distaffen
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> No SSN required for cash jobs.
??? You don't pay taxes?
> I don't use banks - so no SSN requirement there.
>
> Travel by recumbent - ditto!
>
> Sublet - ditto!
How do you have pay for your Internet access?
Dean Arthur
CASH!! or have you forgotten that most company's prefer it.
Guy P. Distaffen
> "Guy P. Distaffen" wrote:
> > How do you pay for your Internet access?
>
> CASH!! or have you forgotten that most company's prefer it.
That is why I said, "Interesting." I don't know or any ISPs locally that
accept that. Which one does?
Ghost writer
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I can't believe you think companies won't accept cash! There is a ISP near
here, which takes payment in most any form INCLUDING cash. IF you live close
enough to stop by, why not? Of course an option as opposed to credit cards
or debit cards if you don't want to use credit type information, is Money
Orders. AND to answer another persons comment, USUALLY one knows when their
subscription is to expire, SOOOOO you send in the payment a few days early!
Not exactly rocket science. Sometimes I have to wonder where some people's
minds are. CASH is not a dead option. I own a business and I too PREFER
cash. No Credit card transaction costs, no running to bank to deposit
checks, no waiting or worrying if a check will bounce. Yep, I prefer good
ole cold hard cash. G.W.
- - Bill - -
Looking for parking places, wasting time and gas, standing in line,
having to go to the bank to GET all that cash.
I pay 100% of my bills online or with automatic drafts...no fees and
there's no SS# involved :-)
-Bill
Ghost writer
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I can't imagine it either, but the point was, cash is still accepted. IF you
are chincy about presenting cards, then cash is the option. G.W.
Tarmo Tammaru
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>
> I can't imagine it either, but the point was, cash is still accepted. IF
you
> are chincy about presenting cards, then cash is the option. G.W.
>
time he went on a business trip and tried to check into a hotel. Only way
they would take cash was for him to pay in advance, and leave a $200
security deposit, and that was at least 10 years ago.
Tam/WB2TT
Roger Gt
even dollar amounts, and that the minimum was $600
Or was this just a ploy?
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Dean Arthur
My telco!
Dean Arthur
>
> Yep, I prefer good ole cold hard cash. G.W.
Now if only we could compel "our" government back to "real" money
instead of this monopoly paper crap!
Dean Arthur
>
...
>
> I can't imagine running all over town to pay bills in cash anymore.
> Looking for parking places, wasting time and gas, standing in line,
> having to go to the bank to GET all that cash.
> I pay 100% of my bills online or with automatic drafts...no fees and
> there's no SS# involved :-)
>
> -Bill
I go to nearest bank to cash disability check then pedal my ASSets
[mainly stomach bulge - but it's diminishing] off to pay phone/'net bill
and, every six months, the insurance payment on mini-van I use mainly
for shopping and doing laundry.
Dean Arthur
That's the exception rather than the rule for me. I've never been asked
to post a security deposit since returning all my credit cards and
tendering cash. I've traveled the entirety of the western states by van
and M/C and never had a problem.
Maybe he had a known prior conviction for passing phoney paper?
Ghost writer
I hear ya! Funny, they create this bull shit to "stop" people from
reproducing, yet it still happens. I think it was a week after the new $20
came out, someone reproduced one. Why bother? It probably costs them more to
redesign and retool than it is worth in the long run. G.W.
Guy P. Distaffen
a company thing, then.
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Roger Halstead
Wellll...That's a kinda, sorta, maybe, could be thing.
It's really a matter of scale and no, most companies no longer perfer
cash. Small businesses? Yes, but not the larger ones. Cash for
anything larger than a "mom-and-Pop" operation is an enormous
inconvenience. Then you have the risk of making night deposits. Get
robbed and it's only your word as to how much was taken. Plus more
than a few such reported roberies have been faked. Then again, it's
unlikely the cash is going to be covered by insurrance without a lot
of paper work and even then it's only the persons word.
First, any cash transaction with a business or bank of more than
several hundred dollars is supposed to be reported to the government
as it's suspicious (money laundering among other little items brought
that little problem about)
If I travel much, a car, or minivan is far too slow, then it's either
commercial aviation, or fly my own plane.
Paying cash for an airline ticket sets off alarms and is is a really
good way to gurantee the next clothest thing to a good physical while
you wait, and wait, and wait... Now, flying my own 4 passenger plane?
It does take gas and it doesn't take long of flying into strange
airports and paying for $200 worth of gas in cash to raise flags.
Even though a small plane is not capable of carying much in weight
they have been a thing of suspicion for the unknowing general public.
Rent a car? Credit card and drivers license... I know of one guy
where I used to work who was able to rent without a credit card, but
he really had to hunt and it took a big security deposit. the company
finally told him to use the company credit card or else.
If I were to take a long vacation I certainly wouldn't want to take
enough cash to support the whole trip. All I'd need is to have the
wrong person see me peel off a 20 to pay for gas, or groceries.
Certainly a person can be more discrete and use a money belt. I know
one guy who always carried over $20,000 to the big fly-in at Oshkosh.
If he needed cash it was a trip to the Port-O-Pottie where he could
peel off a couple hundred without being seen. Had it been me I'd have
always slept with my pants on.
Yes, my ISP would be willing to take cash as will the corner gas
station, BUT a single credit card, plus checking account is much
safer, more secure, and costs me nothing as long as I keep it paid up.
If I were to get robbed and reported some one stold $200 or $300 in
cash, let alone enough for a trip, the police would probably have me
as the prime suspect. If I'm robbed, they get $20 and my credit card
it only causes me an inconvenience and maybe $50. However if
purchases sho up that are not typical of my purchasing habbits the
phone will be ringing by the time I get home to question the purchase.
I know that for sure as it's happened.
Yes a person can get by using cash only, but not most of society could
not and maintain their standard of living. It takes 5 minutes to pay
the monthly bills. Some are automatically taken out of my pension
check at the bank. If I did everything in cash it'd take me most of a
day and probably 50 to 75 miles of driving. Cash only for me and most
of the people I know would be a severe inconvenience and take a lot of
time out of already busy lives.
Ghost writer
This is like comparing apples to oranges. CASH is accepted anywhere - for
the most part. As to your argument, large corporations not preferring cash,
I disagree. I don't see signs on the bigger stores like Wal-Mart telling you
"Sorry, we accept credit cards, debit cards and checks only. No cash
please." When that day comes, we're all in trouble. For a transaction or
two, it isn't bad depending on amount - to carry cash. IF the transactions
are for large amounts - big or many purchases such as Christmas shopping or
a vacation, then you'd have to be a fool to carry large amounts of cash - it
just isn't safe. So then a Debit or Credit Card would be a safer option.
And, yes, using plastic or the numbers from that plastic, is a convenience
for paying monthly bills or other debts. It is a way of life - a necessary
evil. Paying monthly bills in cash COULD be done if the setting is right.
But it would be an inconvenience to carry all the cash for security. There
are places at least around here, where you can go to pay the phone,
electric, gas, water bill all in one location - the majority of the
necessary evils - not the luxuries of "credit". It is more a convenience to
those who aren't lucky enough to have a bank account. Why don't they have
one? With some banks, they require more than some people can keep in it for
a minimum balance, thus get hit with service charges which then eats more of
their income. Others prefer no accounts due to not trusting banks. Still
others aren't adept at keeping an account for whatever reasons. You can't
force everyone to open or keep a bank account or credit card active. So,
CASH will ALWAYS be accepted.
Credit is a wonderful thing, but sadly, many don't have it - either because
they don't trust it, not enough income for it or they ruined it and were
forced back into a cash only status. CASH supports these folks. This is
leaning to the argument of 666. If you don't have the mark (or number) you
don't get service or goods. While the number may not have to be 666, it is
coming down to in your example, if you don't have plastic, you plain can't
exist. That is baloney. I'm not a really religious person, so I don't know
if the day of the "mark of 666" will ever come. IF it does, we're all in
deep dodo. Maybe in your example, we are leaning towards that goal. I
certainly hope not. It sure would make life inconvenient for a hell of a lot
of people. G.W.
Dee D. Flint
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>
By law ALL must do so. However it is generally very inconvenient. For
example the offices of my "local" ISP are 50 miles away.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
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> Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
That's an urban legend; no one except the United States Treasury HAS to
accept cash.
See http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp and the link to the
US Treasury FAQ at the bottom of the page.
--
Jim Pennino
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Ghost Writer
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Tell you what, the first son of a bitch who turns down my cash for a payment
rendered will be called on for it. I'll take that all the way to the
f*#cking supreme court. CURRENCY (CASH to those who don't know what it is)
has always been an accepted form of payment and if it is ever refused, then
we have a MAJOR problem. AND AGAIN, NOT EVERYONE HAS CREDIT TO USE ANYTHING
OTHER THAN CASH! SOME MAY NEVER HAVE CREDIT. G.W.
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> > In alt.ham-radio.mods Dee D. Flint <dee...@qix.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "Guy P. Distaffen" <gu...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:S5Uxb.156724$ji3....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >
> > > example the offices of my "local" ISP are 50 miles away.
> >
> > > Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
> >
> > That's an urban legend; no one except the United States Treasury HAS to
> > accept cash.
> >
> > See http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp and the link to the
> > US Treasury FAQ at the bottom of the page.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Pennino
> >
> Tell you what, the first son of a bitch who turns down my cash for a payment
> rendered will be called on for it. I'll take that all the way to the
> f*#cking supreme court. CURRENCY (CASH to those who don't know what it is)
> has always been an accepted form of payment and if it is ever refused, then
> we have a MAJOR problem. AND AGAIN, NOT EVERYONE HAS CREDIT TO USE ANYTHING
> OTHER THAN CASH! SOME MAY NEVER HAVE CREDIT. G.W.
Tell you what, go into just about any convience store or fast food restaurant
and try to pay with a $100 bill, then try to buy something with any form
of cash from Amazon.com.
Good luck in court.
BTW, you are correct that cash has always been an accepted form of payment,
at least since it was established. It however, has never been mandatory that
anyone other than the government accept it.
Legally, it is totally up to the seller what form of payment is valid
unless there is some sort of contract between buyer and seller.
Ghost Writer
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This may somewhat contradict my reply before but I understand why "large"
bills aren't welcomed. They should have it posted. I did go past a
bar/lounge today which had a sign saying "NO $50 OR $1OO Bills accepted, no
exceptions". At least one is forewarned. Places do not like to keep large
amounts of cash on hand even for change. That is understandable. I don't
either - in my business. Though I don't post such warnings and it would
make me cringe to have to scramble for change, I WOULD. I never turn down
cash. I STILL think they would have to take it, if that was ALL you had. I'd
welcome that argument in court. CURRENCY IS CURRENCY, regardless the
denomination. I HIGHLY DOUBT, if you went in a place for a meal and produced
a $100 bill, they would just let you leave because it was a $100 bill.
They'd take it and scrounge up the change. TRY IT. Calling the cops to
report you for having a large bill? Hardly a crime. It isn't as though
you're trying to leave with out paying.
Yes, I'd love to see that end up in court some time. Why - to turn down cash
of any denomination is as bad as trying to cast aside the amendments this
country was founded on.. After all, currency was established as a way to pay
debts. It has been around almost as long as the Bill of Rights itself, if
not longer.
As to buying from Amazon.Com, that is a moot point. You don't do CASH
transactions like that via online sales. That isn't even an argument. The
only way "cash" comes into a picture there which is a false use of the word,
is to give them your debit card numbers to withdraw funds right from your
account.. CASH - PREPAID, all are being intertwined now days. Sorry, I still
disagree. MANY DO NOT HAVE CREDIT AND CASH WILL STILL BE THE ONLY WAY!
You're thinking too much of bible prophecy and 666. It isn't that bad - YET.
G.W.
Ghost Writer
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and had no proper change - make out a check to the party in the amount owed
them. Therefore that party producing the large bill then had the burden to
go get it cashed to redeem his/ her change from it. The other thing is,
though it is becoming a common practice not to accept large bills or cash at
all in some places, it still does NOT outlaw the use of cash if that is the
only manner one has to pay their debts. CASH WILL LIVE.
ON in society for quite some time. Those without credit will still be at a
disadvantage in some ways, but they learn to deal with it. I've been without
and with credit and it makes no difference to me. You live within your means
and surroundings. G.W.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
> <ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
Sorry currency doesn't work the way you want.
The way it works is defined in section 392 of Title 31 of the United States
Code.
Go argue with the US code, not me.
I have no idea what bible prophecy you are talking about nor do I have
any interest in such.
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> An after thought. I have seen establishments who have accepted large bills
> and had no proper change - make out a check to the party in the amount owed
> them. Therefore that party producing the large bill then had the burden to
> go get it cashed to redeem his/ her change from it. The other thing is,
> though it is becoming a common practice not to accept large bills or cash at
> all in some places, it still does NOT outlaw the use of cash if that is the
> only manner one has to pay their debts. CASH WILL LIVE.
> ON in society for quite some time. Those without credit will still be at a
> disadvantage in some ways, but they learn to deal with it. I've been without
> and with credit and it makes no difference to me. You live within your means
> and surroundings. G.W.
To summerize once again, the code basically says that the manner of settling
debts between private parties is entirely up to the parties involved.
The US code neither demands nor forbids cash transactions in any form
or denomination of currency.
It is perfectly legal (though rather dumb) to open a car dealship with
a big sign out front stating that payment is only accepted in the form
of supermarket money orders. And it is perfectly legal for the dealer to
repossess a car for nonpayment if someone tries to pay with anything other
than supermarket money orders.
It makes no difference what either of us thinks or wants the system to
be; it is defined in the US code.
Read the friggin' US code.
Dr. Death
"Ghost Writer" <Spam...@Spamfree.com> wrote in message
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Dean Arthur
...
>
> By law ALL must [accept payment in cash]. However it is generally very inconvenient. For
> example the offices of my "local" ISP are 50 miles away.
>
Valley on western border of Wyoming. A good heart and muscle exercising
pedal from Etna to Thayne and back on BikeE.
Dean Arthur
in western Wyoming. Good exercise for damaged leg and heart muscles.
But BikeE 'bent not the best for my loss of balance. Thinking seriously
of building Mother's Trike.
Construction article on Mother Earth News 2F1R homebrew trike with
specs, parts list and drawings.
This article is available online at the Mother Earth News website.
Here's the link:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/menarch/archive/goto.asp?article=081/081-162-01&ID=2613&Num=4
Dean Arthur
>
AND AGAIN, NOT EVERYONE HAS CREDIT TO USE ANYTHING
> OTHER THAN CASH! SOME MAY NEVER HAVE CREDIT. G.W.
And non-existent credt CAN'T BE STOLEN, n'est ce pas?
Dean Arthur
>
> BTW, you are correct that cash has always been an accepted form of payment,
> at least since it was established. It however, has never been mandatory that
> anyone other than the government accept it.
>
> Legally, it is totally up to the seller what form of payment is valid
> unless there is some sort of contract between buyer and seller.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
But, if proprietor refuses my cash without a clearly posted policy in
window - I leave all items collected at counter and leave. Never go
back! I'm only one but message spreads.
Dean Arthur
Unfortunately, Federal Reserve Notes only BUY DEBT. Ask any federal
reserve attorney. Though they are liars, they cannot wiggle out of that
issue. Only gold an/or silver coin PAY debt. Paper is intrinsically
worth only what it may be exchanged for and has no particular value in
and of itself. Why do you think prices for goods and services
continually rise? Couldn't happen with gold and silver so easily.
Dean Arthur
Federal Reserve Notes are not money but only a medium of exchange which
may be exchanged to acquire debt. Not my words but those of law!
Up til mid-60s or so, all U.S. citizens [now serfs-in-feudal-tenure] had
opportunity to pay debt with coin or paper redeemable in coin. Paper
now only redeemable in more worthless paper that does not and can not
pay debt.
ITZ THE LAW!!
You wouldn't have it any other way, would you now? Or would you defy
"your" government?
Ghost Writer
This is true! G.W.
- - Bill - -
So whats the problem?
-Bill
Ghost Writer
Ya know, you got a point there. The Dollar HAS taken a dip in recent years
in comparison to say the Yen and maybe some others. SO in that case, the
dollar wasn't worth the paper it was written on... OR made from. Gold and
Silver COULD lose value, it has happened, but not quite as likely. G.W.
Woodchuck Chuck
<dear...@silverstar.com> writes -
>I go to nearest bank to cash disability check then pedal my ASSets
>[mainly stomach bulge - but it's diminishing] off to pay phone/'net bill
>and, every six months, the insurance payment on mini-van I use mainly
>for shopping and doing laundry.
We do not wish to know that.
Kindly leave the stage!
; - 0
AF Four Kilo
<Spam...@Spamfree.com> wrote:
>You can't
>force everyone to open or keep a bank account or credit card active. So,
>CASH will ALWAYS be accepted.
Try it at FEDERAL EXPRESS SOME TIME!!
There are numerous businesses that no longer accept cash.
You can't force them to!
AF Four Kilo
wrote:
>> > CASH!! or have you forgotten that most company's prefer it.
>>
>> That is why I said, "Interesting." I don't know or any ISPs locally that
>> accept that. Which one does?
>
>By law ALL must do so. However it is generally very inconvenient. For
>example the offices of my "local" ISP are 50 miles away.
>
>Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Can you cite the details of this "LAW" ?
Then sue Federal Express!
Gas Writer
<Spam...@Spamfree.com> wrote:
>Tell you what, the first son of a bitch who turns down my cash for a payment
>rendered will be called on for it. I'll take that all the way to the
>f*#cking supreme court.
What a total GENIUS!
(NOT!)
Ralph Mowery
> reserve attorney. Though they are liars, they cannot wiggle out of that
> issue. Only gold an/or silver coin PAY debt. Paper is intrinsically
> worth only what it may be exchanged for and has no particular value in
> and of itself. Why do you think prices for goods and services
> continually rise? Couldn't happen with gold and silver so easily.
Paper , gold, silver, or any other thing is only worth what you can get
someone to give you something for it. Face it, what can most people do with
a bar of silver or gold ? About the same as they can with a piece of paper
that is printed on. If it was food atleast you could eat it. Do you
remember about 20 years ago when silver took off in price. YOu could get
about $ 1.50 for a silver dime but only a dime for the clad ones. Now what
can you get for the same silver dime ? Much less . Unless it is a 'rare'
collector dime. Anything is just a way of trading your services or items
you have for something someone else has. It is only worth whatever ammount
of whatever you want that someone else has and what they are willing to give
you for it.
Ghost Writer
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I'm NOT claiming to be a GENIUS - ASS HOLE. I'm merely saying I defy anyone
to deny me goods when I present cash as payment. CASH is a method of payment
and if that is all I have, then I don't believe they can deny me the use of
it in paying my debts. Speaking of geniuses, you're not so freaking bright
either.. Your title speaks well for itself - GAS. YA BIG FART! Blow it out
your ass.
G.W.
Ghost Writer
news:n3d6tv8l4s27fis22...@4ax.com...
Well then, I believe we have a problem. A BIG problem. It is discriminatory
to those with no other way to pay. I think the Government needs to get off
their ass and correct this problem. G.W.
Ghost Writer
was a Fed Ex office near me, I'd give em a run for the money. Unfortunately
there isn't. NOR do I deal with them much. G.W.
Roger Gt
Funny, I was told by an attorney that if cash is offered and refused in
payment of a debt, the debt is considered paid! Cash having been refused,
the debt is no longer collectable. Where is it in the law that Cash is not
acceptable for all debts public and private?
Ghost Writer
news:PoLAb.66856$E_7....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
ALAS, someone with some sense! I've been told the same and thus my argument
of they must accept my cash if that is all I have to make payment of a debt.
THANK YOU! G.W.
Nitespark
Roger Gt wrote:
On the dollar bill I just retrieved from my wallet, it clearly says,
"this note is legal tender for all debts public and private".
There might be some disclaimer about small change. Not for sure but I
think there is a maximum amount of say, pennies, a person is required to
accept.
>
>
--
Gun Control works!!! 3 million Holocaust victims can’t be wrong.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
US Code, Title 31, Subtitile IV, Chapter 51, Subchapter I, Sec. 5103:
"United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and
circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal
tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or
silver coins are not legal tender for debts"
You need to get out of the bunker more often...
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
That is your right according to the law, but so what and who cares?
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
Jeeze, someone actually capable of rational thought.
How refreshing.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
> ITZ THE LAW!!
You wouldn't know what the law was if it bit you on the ass since it is
obvious you have not read any of it.
Take your delusional ravings elsewhere.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
What problem?
Seeing as how the system has been basically the same for 2 centuries, there
doesn't seem to be any problem out there other than in your imagination.
If you have cash, you can open a checking or savings account and get a debit
card for those businesses that require plastic payment.
You can go to most supermarkets or a post office and get a money order.
If you choose not to, that's your choice. No discrimination by anyone other
than you.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
The law says the Treasury HAS to accept cash, but private transactions
are up to the parties involved.
You can pay your $10,000 Federal Income tax bill in pennies and the
Treasury HAS to accept it.
Before anyone brings up the old legend about pennies, the Coinage Act of
1965 specified that all U.S. coins are legal tender in any amount.
In lieu of a contract or notice, cash is concidered acceptable by default
and offers of cash genrally must be accepted in payment of a debt.
If your apartment rental contract says only postal money orders are valid
for payment, the landlord can refuse to accept cash or anything other
than a postal money order.
If a business has a big sign that says certain forms of payment are
unacceptable (i.e. bills larger than $20), the business has no legal
obligation to accept such.
If you sign up for a cell phone plan that says the bill will be payed
through a debit to your credit card, the phone company has no legal
obligation to accept anything other than a credit card payment.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
The US went off the gold standard in 1933. If that was the cause of the
dip in the value of the dollar versus the Yen, it sure took a while to
happen.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
And non-existent cash can't be stolen, and non-existent checks can't be
stolen, and non-existent rational thought can't be stolen.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
You can believe what you want, but you are dead wrong.
Radioman
> >
> > Try it at FEDERAL EXPRESS SOME TIME!!
> >
> > There are numerous businesses that no longer accept cash.
> > You can't force them to!
> >
>
> Well then, I believe we have a problem. A BIG problem. It is discriminatory
> to those with no other way to pay. I think the Government needs to get off
> their ass and correct this problem.
And the post office won't accept plastic for money orders.
Radioman
> think there is a maximum amount of say, pennies, a person is required to
> accept.
Four?
- - Bill - -
>>>>CASH will ALWAYS be accepted.
>
> And the post office won't accept plastic for money orders.
They do at my local PO.
-BM
Michael A. Terrell
>
> What problem?
>
> Seeing as how the system has been basically the same for 2 centuries, there
> doesn't seem to be any problem out there other than in your imagination.
>
> If you have cash, you can open a checking or savings account and get a debit
> card for those businesses that require plastic payment.
Have you tried to open a checking account lately? If you don't have
an active credit history banks refuse to give you a checking account. It
took me two years to find a place to get a checking account because I
paid cash for my truck, and the loan on my home is from a relative,
because the interest on his CDs was lower than what I am paying. There
as absolutely nothing in my credit history right now, and I can't even
change banks because I can't find another bank who will let me open a
checking account.
--
18 days!
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
- - Bill - -
>
> Have you tried to open a checking account lately? If you don't have
> an active credit history banks refuse to give you a checking account.
Not so. I walked into a bank in Smalltown, Ohio (First Merit) and
opened a checking account in a matter of minutes with nothing more than
the driver's license I could have pulled out of my turban.
They didn't even ask about other credit lines. I haven't paid a "credit
line" in two or three decades.
> and I can't even
> change banks because I can't find another bank who will let me open a
> checking account.
You're dealing with the wrong banks.
-Bill
Radioman
>
> >
> > And the post office won't accept plastic for money orders.
>
> They do at my local PO.
You must have used a DEBIT card. They won't accept a Discover for one.
- - Bill - -
I don't think a DISCOVER card counts on wide acceptance but I think it
says on the door here that they accept it.
-Bill
Michael A. Terrell
I checked with every bank in the area. Florida has a big problem with
illegal aliens and with identity theft, so they are overly cautious. I
had to have a savings account with my credit union for over two years
before they finally agreed to the checking account, and on did it
because I had a large savings account. A lot of banks down here won't
let you open a savings account with less than $500 for the first
deposit.
- - Bill - -
I'm in Puerto Rico and I think we have SFla beat for illegal aliens and
fraud. After all, we provide you guys with these scamps. Even still, in
the local bank (theres only one in this town) they only required cursory
identity. They made an issue of my Social Security number since I lost
the actual card 30 years ago (I've already told that story) but they
accepted a copy of an old tax return that showed my SS number. My wife,
an immigrant, had no SS number at the time so they just put her down as
999-99-9999 on the joint account.
I suspect you haven't been to ALL the banks in your area or else you are
walking in the door blabbing about Credit Unions and such and telling
them things they don't want to know.
"had to have a savings account with my credit union for over two years".
Shop around, dude.
If you need a credit card or something I'll gladly forward my spam to
you and you can have a whole box full of credit cards with "no
obligation". I get these g*&#%dam things in the mail regularly from
banks I've never heard of and I use them for grain filler scrapers on
old radio cabinets.
You're doing something wrong, Michael A.
-Bill
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
Your argument is wrong; READ the friggin' law.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
My PO will.
But if you have plastic, that kind of implies you have a checking account,
so why would you need a money order?
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
> Roger Gt wrote:
> >
> >
> --
> Gun Control works!!! 3 million Holocaust victims can?t be wrong.
Bzzt, wrong.
See http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp
Also see the "What is legal tender?" link from the Treasury at the bottom
of the page.
Ghost Writer
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I was not saying the gold price dipped and created the drop in value of our
dollar to the yen. I apologize if I ran the thought together. I was
addressing two issues someone else had raised, at once. I was merely saying
that gold and silver HAD been known to dip in price, so even it can't be
relied on to be "Rock solid" in price. As to the dollar - I was trying to
say when it dipped in value to the Yen a few years back, that would be
similar to saying it wasn't worth the paper it was written on or produced
on. I forget how far down we were from the yen, but it did happen. If memory
serves me correct, that is when the Ham radios shot up in price. Since the
dollar balanced out to the Yen, I wonder if they have adjusted the prices of
Japanese equipment accordingly? G.W.
Ghost Writer
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Ah, our PO accepts plastic for Money Orders. Why get a MO with plastic?
EASY... To pay for an e-bay purchase when the seller isn't set up for pay
pal and can't accept plastic. AND so he can get the cash and you don't have
to wait for them to get the check cleared. I realize it doesn't take long
now days to clear, but they still use the excuse, so I circumvent it with a
MO. I did it just this past week. Situations like that! G.W.
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
> --
> 18 days!
As a matter of fact, yes. I opened a checking account on an LLC I formed
without the ink even being dry on the paper work, much less with a credit
history.
I had a checking account, credit cards, and a credit history by the time
I was 18 by the simple expedient of finding a small store that carried
it's own credit, buying something cheap and paying it off early.
Opening a checking or savings account takes little more than a SSN and
cash to start the account.
- - Bill - -
>>And the post office won't accept plastic for money orders.
>
>
> My PO will.
>
> But if you have plastic, that kind of implies you have a checking account,
> so why would you need a money order?
Thats a silly argument. You can easily have a credit card with no
checking account.
Why I would need a Money Order is basically due to internet sellers who
won't take personal checks or online payments.
-Bill
- - Bill - -
> I was not saying the gold price dipped and created the drop in value of our
> dollar to the yen. I apologize if I ran the thought together. I was
> addressing two issues someone else had raised, at once. I was merely saying
> that gold and silver HAD been known to dip in price, so even it can't be
> relied on to be "Rock solid" in price. As to the dollar - I was trying to
> say when it dipped in value to the Yen a few years back, that would be
> similar to saying it wasn't worth the paper it was written on or produced
> on. I forget how far down we were from the yen, but it did happen. If memory
> serves me correct, that is when the Ham radios shot up in price. Since the
> dollar balanced out to the Yen, I wonder if they have adjusted the prices of
> Japanese equipment accordingly? G.W.
GW, stop talking about things that you don't know about and you won't
have to back-pedal so much.
What the devil are you talking about the "dollar balanced out to the
yen" and gold prices?
Compare a few graphs available on the internet and get your story
straight then report back.
Sheesh,
-Billstein
Ghost Writer
news:vt7sa8k...@corp.supernews.com...
face it, gold and other metals do rise and fall in price. maybe not much,
but they do. the dollar DID dip pretty low to the yen a few years ago. that
is a fact. i know it. i don't have to look it up. maybe you need to do
research. it doesn't matter. it is old stuff anyway. not worth arguing
about. G.W.
Terry
>
> "Ghost writer" <Spam...@Spamfree.com> wrote in message
> news:NZUxb.38636$A%3.51...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> >
> > I can't imagine it either, but the point was, cash is still accepted. IF
> you
> > are chincy about presenting cards, then cash is the option. G.W.
> >
> Maybe. I used to work with a guy who did not believe in credit cards. One
> time he went on a business trip and tried to check into a hotel. Only way
> they would take cash was for him to pay in advance, and leave a $200
> security deposit, and that was at least 10 years ago.
>
> Tam/WB2TT
I understand that one can't rent a car without giving a credit
card number! I've asked several rental agencies 'just for the
hell of it' and they all responded that way! Terry.