What is Malicious Hacking? -By rikijo.. updated version
rikijo
Hackers and Crackers are, and what the differences in thier agendas are.
-Some argue that true hackers build things instead of destroying them.
I would say a malicious Hacker builds things as well.
-After almost a decade of being in this group I think I can tell you what
hacking is all about.
Quite simply, "Hacking is the art of infiltrating what people consider to
be secure"
A malicious Hacker has to build a skillbase of all different areas of
the'hacking genre, including cracking, social engineering, and
exceptional problem solving skills. Malicious hacking is never the same
and, a real malicious hacker always has to take on the risk of negative
legal implications, and possible loss of freedom through lengthy
incarceration.
The combination of diversified skills and the pressure of covering your
tracks is the biggest difference. If a so-called hacker has never felt
the pressure of having to be perfect during an operation, then they have
no idea how it feels to be fifteen minutes away from being locked up for
fifteen years. A malicious hacker has to have the balls to take risks. A
Malicious hacker in my view is the ultimate hacker. Malicious hackers
make the news, white hat hackers make the patches.
You decide which kind of hacking kicks you in the back when the shit hits
the fan.
So called hackers who have never accomplished anything besides creating a
dime-a-dozen firewall ruleset have never had thier heart in thier throat
while shaking after setting off some NIDs..and if you don't know what
they are then you are not a hacker as far as I'm concerned.
A 'white-hat' hacker does not have the same set of circumstances to work
under as a malicious hacker who is putting his ass on the line every
single time they attempt to do the 'deed'
-White hat hackers have given the public a perception of hackers as
"Geeks and Nerds"
-Its just a fact.
A malicious hacker is someone with the courage to break the rules, which
is the essence of hacking.. Nerds have no courage, a nerd will stay under
the radar just in case they break the law or a fingernail. I hate
cowards, they sicken me..so if some nerd tells you that hacking into
websites is 'bad' then you know he is *NOT* a hacker PERIOD.
-If some so-called hacker tells you he build things, then he is a coder,
if you hack into things using code, then you are a hacker. Besides that,
you are just a fixer of the hackers work by making the patch the hacker
exploits to give these so-called white hat hackers a day job, and another
neat security product that the real-hackers eventually comprimise
anyways. Thats just reality, just ask Symantec Corporation.
-So if anyone says hacking into servers is not true hacking then they are
quite simply "Nerds with no balls" or girlfriends LOL
I dare anyone to tell me otherwise..If you cannot use your powers for
defence, attack, or knowledge then you have no skills, and I would
recommend basket weaving or fishing. Don't call yourself a hacker if you
have never used your skills and broken the law, because you aren't.
Hackers take risks, security professionals (White Hat Hackers) mitigate
risk.
Some people like to believe that Hackers "build things" and that Crackers
destroy' things. This is simply ignorant.
-Anyone who has used ingenuity to access knowledge and information from a
system that was not authorized has officially "hacked" period..
As far as I can see, there are very few real Hackers who have not
actually used thier skills to perform an illegal access attempt or
anything of real world importance.
Some people are adamant about keeping website defacers out of thier
hacking groups because they think that gives the so called 'REAL
Hackers' a bad name. This is a joke. We need these people to help develop
the next generation of software and technology advances.
-For example, if a 'Hacker' actually 'hacks' into a server and leaves his
or her calling card by way of a web defacement, it doesn't take away from
the fact that a "hack" has taken place.
As a matter of fact this is a very important event. Especially if you
call yourself a security professional.
Anyone who says that someone who hacks is not a hacker because after he
broke into a system he put up a message is an idiot. Why?-Because hackers
are creative, they have to be, and a creative person expresses themself
in many creative ways..defacements are just an extension of that
creativity or a message that someone used thier skills to get to the
public the best way they knew how. Its a basic freedom of expression in
some cases.
The problem is when somebody who has never hacked into anything in thier
lives starts talking about what hacking is and isn't.
As a malicious hacker , I feel as if I was born to do this, its just that
adictive.
Its a committment to the art that makes the hacker who he is.
Some guys in groups such as alt.hacker say that they do not like hackers
who destroy things. Well thats what part of what hacking is.
For example:
Gandalf Parker from alt.hacker is someone that has been around for years,
yet he has not accomplished anything in the hacking community that would
actually promote the art itself one way or another, I call this zero-
negative impact. The hang around types..the scene dood.
-Yet he likes to comment about how he feels hacking does not really
include HACKING<- does that sound like someone with balls or a nerd?
-You be the judge. I just hacked into the hardest system on the web by
hack attempts per year that was being run by child rapists. This hack
promoted HACKING worldwide as a positive committment to the art of
infiltration. Was this a nerdy whiney white hat type of operation??-Or
did this take skills as well as balls? You be the judge.
While the so called white hat hackers argue about what they think hacking
is all about malicious hackers just HACK and make the friggen news, or in
other words "Change the face of things" as someone once wrote me :)
I specialize in the art of 'Malicious Hacking, its not platform specific,
as you never know what target you will be attacking from one mission to
the next. Cracking, social engineering and whatever, my nission is to be
the best at everything I do, this is a committment to many disciplines is
all focused to accomplish ONE THING, which is break down the barriers
that keep us in the dark concerning the realities of our existence.
The search of TRUTH is paramount in hacking, and this is what we do.
No holding back, just do the fucking deed, win or lose you need courage
to take every single leap.
A malicious hacker is always defending someone or somthing. There is
always a challenge, or there is no need for US.
Its almost like some are trying to defend the definition of the
discipline(Hacker) they have engaged in, meanwhile they have never
defended anything in thier lives.-Well, this is "alt.hackers.malicious"
and we have defended our code and this groups integrity with fierce
tenacity against all challengers. What other group of "Hackers"would be
willing to do that, or find the purpose for such defence? So far this is
the only group of hackers that are always actively engaged in a war, or
planning for one.
A Malicious Hacker is like a Medical doctor who went back to school to
earn a Law degree, and then went on to study Psychology.
Vinny said it best when he said that a Malicious hacker has to have a
command of everything to actually be effective at the tasks that they are
attempting.
Sugien
"rikijo" <rik...@hacker.am> wrote in message
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I agree with this post And would only maybe add:
A malicious hacker that boasts is soon caught, unless he is very, very,
VERY sure his has covered ALL his/her tracks. IOW, if for instance I had
broken into a web page server (not saying I have of course<beg>) that is
hosting say a pedophiles page, I would TAG it (deface) but more likely then
not, I would not use the same nic I use here; because it would be enough to
me that the deed was done and the security fault proven. But also just
being me, I may leave the Sys Admin a little note telling them how I done it
and how to fix it and also just as likely to tell them that should then
decide to continue to allow such perverts to use their server that they will
NOT be so lucky next time<s>
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Gandalf Parker
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> But also just
> being me, I may leave the Sys Admin a little note telling them how I
> done it and how to fix it and also just as likely to tell them that
> should then decide to continue to allow such perverts to use their
> server that they will NOT be so lucky next time<s>
Not sure how that would be defined as a malicious hacking
ThePsyko
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It would be if he was doing it to lure the admin into a false sense of
security so he doesn't notice the rootkit :)
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Sugien
"ThePsyko" <TheP...@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
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once again put up such web pages *after* being warned; because the second
time they don't get any warning or information on how I got in or what I
left behind, best way is the second time for them to not even know their
system was even penetrated and then they have to pay someone (maybe me, lol)
to come and fix their system every time it gets back up with pedo crap on
it, down it goes again.
rikijo
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I agree, malicious hacking is mostly done in under the cover of
anonymity. This is why we have newsgroups to report on the business of
these topics. Most of the hacks we have done have never been discussed or
mentioned because those hacks did not have directly related to our
mandate.
Some higher profile hacks are posted for the effect of destabilization of
the target we are trying to destroy, like niclelolitaz.com(destroyed)
Reporting sometimes does more damage that the actual comprimise. This is
how we destroyed the trolls during the war..
So the pshycological component is just as important in some instances
than the actual attack itself. Its a beautiful thing LOL
BuZZard
> Hackers and Crackers are, and what the differences in thier agendas are.
I want to be able to turn up the refresh rate of someones monitor until it
explodes under pressure and the glass of the screen comes screaming out
like shrapnel.. Can you teach me that?
>
> -Some argue that true hackers build things instead of destroying them.
> I would say a malicious Hacker builds things as well.
>
> -After almost a decade of being in this group I think I can tell you what
> hacking is all about.
>
> Quite simply, "Hacking is the art of infiltrating what people consider to
> be secure"
Like.. the time I got robbed and beat in the head with a pistol.. I thought
I was
secure.. I even had a gun.. but I left my firewall down.. and didn't lock
the doors.
In fact.. I had a damn trigger lock on my pistol.. cuz there were kids under
the age of
18 or someshit.. and if they stole them.. or they got stolen.. and used in a
crime.. and
there was no lock on them.. I would of been breaking the law. So I put the
fucking trigger
lock on.. and got robbed.. with no way of killing them.. or shutting down my
firewall.
NUKE ALL TRIGGER LOCKS!
>
> A malicious Hacker has to build a skillbase of all different areas of
> the'hacking genre, including cracking, social engineering, and
> exceptional problem solving skills. Malicious hacking is never the same
> and, a real malicious hacker always has to take on the risk of negative
> legal implications, and possible loss of freedom through lengthy
> incarceration.
Like when I was robbed.. and hit on the head with a pistol.. if I didn't
have a trigger lock on the gun...
and I did shoot them and kill them.. the family members of the criminals
could have sued me.
But now.. florida has a law.. I can shoot to kill if I am directly in fear
of my life. Turning the firewall
on.
>
> The combination of diversified skills and the pressure of covering your
> tracks is the biggest difference. If a so-called hacker has never felt
> the pressure of having to be perfect during an operation, then they have
> no idea how it feels to be fifteen minutes away from being locked up for
> fifteen years. A malicious hacker has to have the balls to take risks. A
> Malicious hacker in my view is the ultimate hacker. Malicious hackers
> make the news, white hat hackers make the patches.
> You decide which kind of hacking kicks you in the back when the shit hits
> the fan.
Like the time I snarfed that inbox, and the honeypot of that russian pedo
site..
I went in without a proxy.. I was going to blame it on the kid. lol
>
> So called hackers who have never accomplished anything besides creating a
> dime-a-dozen firewall ruleset have never had thier heart in thier throat
> while shaking after setting off some NIDs..and if you don't know what
> they are then you are not a hacker as far as I'm concerned.
whats a NIDs?
>
>
> A 'white-hat' hacker does not have the same set of circumstances to work
> under as a malicious hacker who is putting his ass on the line every
> single time they attempt to do the 'deed'
> -White hat hackers have given the public a perception of hackers as
> "Geeks and Nerds"
> -Its just a fact.
>
> A malicious hacker is someone with the courage to break the rules, which
> is the essence of hacking.. Nerds have no courage, a nerd will stay under
> the radar just in case they break the law or a fingernail. I hate
> cowards, they sicken me..so if some nerd tells you that hacking into
> websites is 'bad' then you know he is *NOT* a hacker PERIOD.
>
> -If some so-called hacker tells you he build things, then he is a coder,
> if you hack into things using code, then you are a hacker. Besides that,
> you are just a fixer of the hackers work by making the patch the hacker
> exploits to give these so-called white hat hackers a day job, and another
> neat security product that the real-hackers eventually comprimise
> anyways. Thats just reality, just ask Symantec Corporation.
>
>
> -So if anyone says hacking into servers is not true hacking then they are
> quite simply "Nerds with no balls" or girlfriends LOL
bwahahahaa
>
> I dare anyone to tell me otherwise..If you cannot use your powers for
> defence, attack, or knowledge then you have no skills, and I would
> recommend basket weaving or fishing. Don't call yourself a hacker if you
> have never used your skills and broken the law, because you aren't.
> Hackers take risks, security professionals (White Hat Hackers) mitigate
> risk.
Ok, I guess I will pick fishing.. cuz basket weaving aint my style.
But I aint a nerd!
>
> Some people like to believe that Hackers "build things" and that Crackers
> destroy' things. This is simply ignorant.
> -Anyone who has used ingenuity to access knowledge and information from a
> system that was not authorized has officially "hacked" period..
>
> As far as I can see, there are very few real Hackers who have not
> actually used thier skills to perform an illegal access attempt or
> anything of real world importance.
>
> Some people are adamant about keeping website defacers out of thier
> hacking groups because they think that gives the so called 'REAL
> Hackers' a bad name. This is a joke. We need these people to help develop
> the next generation of software and technology advances.
I like the defacement part of hacking.. it RAWKZ!
>
> -For example, if a 'Hacker' actually 'hacks' into a server and leaves his
> or her calling card by way of a web defacement, it doesn't take away from
> the fact that a "hack" has taken place.
>
> As a matter of fact this is a very important event. Especially if you
> call yourself a security professional.
> Anyone who says that someone who hacks is not a hacker because after he
> broke into a system he put up a message is an idiot. Why?-Because hackers
> are creative, they have to be, and a creative person expresses themself
> in many creative ways..defacements are just an extension of that
> creativity or a message that someone used thier skills to get to the
> public the best way they knew how. Its a basic freedom of expression in
> some cases.
Ya gotta sign the friggen painting man! For sure.
>
> The problem is when somebody who has never hacked into anything in thier
> lives starts talking about what hacking is and isn't.
>
> As a malicious hacker , I feel as if I was born to do this, its just that
> adictive.
ya.. it goes good with weed too.
> Its a committment to the art that makes the hacker who he is.
> Some guys in groups such as alt.hacker say that they do not like hackers
> who destroy things.
Panzies
> Well thats what part of what hacking is.
>
> For example:
>
> Gandalf Parker from alt.hacker is someone that has been around for years,
> yet he has not accomplished anything in the hacking community that would
> actually promote the art itself one way or another, I call this zero-
> negative impact. The hang around types..the scene dood.
a guy calls himself gandalf? and don't do warlock shit? ... Panzie
>
> -Yet he likes to comment about how he feels hacking does not really
> include HACKING<- does that sound like someone with balls or a nerd?
Nerd
Where did you "learn" this trade? Alot of testing.. alot of SE'ing, alot of
hit and miss..
alot of reading? What else?
rikijo
news:kmKef.16866$rO4.10912@trnddc05:
> Where did you "learn" this trade? Alot of testing.. alot of SE'ing,
> alot of hit and miss..
> alot of reading? What else?
I learned this trade through a million hours of study, trial, error, blood,
sweat, and fucking tears..
The Boston Archdiocese hack was a miss that took at least six months off my
life. LOL
Two months of work just went pfft..the window of opportunity was lost after
the Shandling arrests..but thats just the way things go. Its always hit or
miss, nothing is guaranteed.
Sugien
"BuZZard" <vult...@verison.net> wrote in message
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Well I could be wrong; but I always thought they were
Network Intrusion Detectors
Or at least that is what they were called on the military networks I worked
on<s>
rikijo
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You are always the gentleman Sug...