Hatter Death Lottery!!!!!!
Yomamma bin Crawdaddin
In order to win you must name the
Date of death....
a/m or p/m for additional points.....
Manner of death...
Dehydration/choking on own vomit/asphixiation on diaper fumes...
ect.ect.ect...
and for the double payoff....
Guess his weight at death within 5 lbs.
:-)
Mimic
I know Ive missed alot, but can I still get in on this? :)
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Yomamma bin Crawdaddin
>Yomamma bin Crawdaddin wrote:
>> In order to win you must name the
>>
>> Date of death....
>>
>> a/m or p/m for additional points.....
>>
>> Manner of death...
>> Dehydration/choking on own vomit/asphixiation on diaper fumes...
>> ect.ect.ect...
>>
>> and for the double payoff....
>>
>> Guess his weight at death within 5 lbs.
>>
>> :-)
>
>I know Ive missed alot, but can I still get in on this? :)
Sorry Bro,
He's still alive.....
Rumor has it he's sick again so
the group is hopeful that we can bring the lottery
back....
:-)
magnus
"Yomamma bin Crawdaddin" <Cra...@bayou.com> wrote in message
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Heh, like the dead pool list we have at work.
=^.FixCat.^=
eeks - where do you work? the morgue? CDC?
inquiring minds want to know
so do i :-)
magnus
"=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm in the graphic arts business but we are somewhat sick in the head at
times. I have accurately predicted several celebrity deaths within 1 month
of their ADD (Actual Death Date). See, I told ya I was warped...;-)
=^.FixCat.^=
Aaah - you must secretly work on a mac, huh? I'm an old typesetter - came in
on the tail end of hot metal - before computers even had monitors :-) Now
they just call me a digital prepress person . . . You - where all the old
typesetters and strippers went to die. Web printing.
Mimic
Wh00t :D
magnus
Sssshh. Don't tell anyone..:-) Tis true though- we are a Mac shop (although
we do have a PC for non-Mac proggies).
I'm an old typesetter - came in
> on the tail end of hot metal - before computers even had monitors :-)
Remember the old Compugraphic machines?
Now
> they just call me a digital prepress person . . . You - where all the old
> typesetters and strippers went to die. Web printing.
I detest web printing BUT the layouts are pretty easy at least. There are
only so many images that you can impose on the cutoff (ie, 4-up) and they're
all work & back so that's cool.
Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
I only meddle.....
=^.FixCat.^=
your secret is safe with me. we have nine mac work stations and one pc
station - that everyone tries to stay away from . . .
> I'm an old typesetter - came in
> > on the tail end of hot metal - before computers even had monitors :-)
>
>
> Remember the old Compugraphic machines?
learned on Itek, worked some on Merganthaler then did years on
Varityper machines. I miss mixing chemistry *big sniff of fix*
>
> Now
> > they just call me a digital prepress person . . . You - where all the old
> > typesetters and strippers went to die. Web printing.
>
> I detest web printing BUT the layouts are pretty easy at least. There are
> only so many images that you can impose on the cutoff (ie, 4-up) and they're
> all work & back so that's cool.
We're 8-up - too many templates to even count - every one is different
- depending on the magazine size and paper width - we use CREO preps
for imposition - have two people that do nothing but make templates all
freekin day.
You work much on InDesign? I love it. Just got a copy of Quark 7 - lots
of new stuff that our st00pid customers can mess up . . .
> Frozen North is also a graphics guy
yep!!
(as is Mara aka Buscuit).
yep!!
> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
yep!!
> I only meddle.....
just enuf to make you dangerous? :-)
Onideus Mad Hatter
>Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>I only meddle.....
Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
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http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."
"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
=^.FixCat.^=
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:34:49 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>> I only meddle.....
>
> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
>
> --
None of us feel the need for global acceptance (unacceptance) of our work
and lives like you seem to need . . . I guess bad publicity is publicity
nonetheless.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>>> I only meddle.....
>> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
>> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
>> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
>> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
>> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
>> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
>> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
>> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
>None of us feel the need for global acceptance (unacceptance) of our work
>and lives like you seem to need . . . I guess bad publicity is publicity
>nonetheless.
ADG is global acceptance? *snicker*
LOL...you fuckin fruitloop. And my work carries a wide variety of
opinions on all sides...from the completely ignorant NONpinions (ie I
LOVE IT! or I HATE IT!) to the indepth over analysis (like the one guy
who was bitching about the kerning of my logo being off by two
pixels). The bottom line though...is that I HAVE works up for
display. See there are only two kinds of people online...those who
produce...and those who run at the fuckin mouth. *shrugs* I didn't
make reality, I just beat you with it.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
magnus
"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:s7tc82hu6slqi42g3...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:34:49 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
>>Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>>Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>>I only meddle.....
>
> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
How do you know this? Have you personally seen any of her work and if so,
what credentials or professional experience do you have that would merit
your opinion of someone's work as being "big time" or novice?Define "the big
leagues" for me. Are you talking web based graphic artist or print
production graphic artist?
> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
Well first of all, I don't have "links" to any of my work as my efforts are
used in a print production environment (not a web based application) and
become the intellectual property of the company I work for and the clients
and ad agencies who hire us. While I have done concept design (logos and the
like) I mainly preflight, adjust or correct existing art files or, if
requested, design (which I'd rather not do to be honest and if you'd worked
with some of the people in the advertising agencies that I have, you'd
understand why).
Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work. You
get burnt out on it. Trust me.
Finally, I am by no means an "expert" in any of the programs I use
(Photoshop, InDesign, etc) but I'm no wimp either.
It sounds like you may be equating print production and (offset/flexo)
graphic design with web design. Knowing how to use a program and it's
capabilities/applications doesn't necessary equate to being a graphic
designer. I know how my car's engine works but I'm no mechanic.
I know how to use and design using some graphic software (and have for
years) but don't consider myself an expert.
OTOH, my friend Matt ***is*** an expert (both web and print) and I assure
you, there aint no better than him (that I have seen anyway) though I'm sure
they're people out there who are. As I said earlier, I "meddle".
Another friend, "Arioch" is right up there with Sugien and (probably) Steve
Gielda with regard to his knowledge of hacking, cracking and security so, on
weekends when we aren't busy doing daddy duty or whatever , we trade "ideas"
and tutor one another.
I'd be happy to spend some time and post in a "GA" newsgroup when I have
time. I could probably get Matt to do so too but I'm not going to play my
dick is bigger than your dick with anyone so if the tone in the group(s)
you're referring to is combative or "gee, I'm such a genius with Pagemaker
(lol)" then I'll have to pass. I already know my dick is big.
If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting, entertaining
and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back up
on your site?
magnus
Hatter's been snorting crystalized cat urine again and then turning on a
black light to see if his nose glows so don't pay him any mind.
Hatter really is intelligent with regard to some things but comes off a bit
abrasive and arrogant most of the time so you must take him and his antics
with a grain of salt.
=^.FixCat.^=
>
> "Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
> news:s7tc82hu6slqi42g3...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:34:49 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>>> I only meddle.....
>>
>> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
>> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
>
>
> How do you know this? Have you personally seen any of her work and if so,
> what credentials or professional experience do you have that would merit
> your opinion of someone's work as being "big time" or novice?Define "the big
> leagues" for me. Are you talking web based graphic artist or print
> production graphic artist?
>
Does he realize that there IS a difference?
>
>> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
>> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
>> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
>> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
>> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
>> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
>
> Well first of all, I don't have "links" to any of my work as my efforts are
> used in a print production environment (not a web based application) and
> become the intellectual property of the company I work for and the clients
> and ad agencies who hire us. While I have done concept design (logos and the
> like) I mainly preflight, adjust or correct existing art files or, if
> requested, design (which I'd rather not do to be honest and if you'd worked
> with some of the people in the advertising agencies that I have, you'd
> understand why).
Do you work where I work. This is what I do. :-)
> Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
> color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
> really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work. You
> get burnt out on it. Trust me.
Aaaw c'mon- let's talk about Pit Stop, Speed Edit and imposition software
and people who don't embed fonts in .pdf files . . .
> Finally, I am by no means an "expert" in any of the programs I use
> (Photoshop, InDesign, etc) but I'm no wimp either.
> It sounds like you may be equating print production and (offset/flexo)
> graphic design with web design. Knowing how to use a program and it's
> capabilities/applications doesn't necessary equate to being a graphic
> designer. I know how my car's engine works but I'm no mechanic.
> I know how to use and design using some graphic software (and have for
> years) but don't consider myself an expert.
> OTOH, my friend Matt ***is*** an expert (both web and print) and I assure
> you, there aint no better than him (that I have seen anyway) though I'm sure
> they're people out there who are. As I said earlier, I "meddle".
> Another friend, "Arioch" is right up there with Sugien and (probably) Steve
> Gielda with regard to his knowledge of hacking, cracking and security so, on
> weekends when we aren't busy doing daddy duty or whatever , we trade "ideas"
> and tutor one another.
> I'd be happy to spend some time and post in a "GA" newsgroup when I have
> time. I could probably get Matt to do so too but I'm not going to play my
> dick is bigger than your dick with anyone so if the tone in the group(s)
> you're referring to is combative or "gee, I'm such a genius with Pagemaker
> (lol)"
"RageMaker?"
>then I'll have to pass. I already know my dick is big.
> If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting, entertaining
> and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
> Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
> least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back up
> on your site?
You are very civilized :-) I have "hair of fire" so sometimes it's difficult
for me - heheh
>
>
=^.FixCat.^=
Crystalized cat urine? Eeew - got plenty of here . . .
=^.FixCat.^=
heard anyone talk about KERNING in regards to pixels - that would be
letterspacing (a nice invention courtesy of desk top publishing) But I
guess in the end the result is the same.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
...you know what's sad...the fact that you talk about points and picas
like it's some mystical, next level, ultima, GOD LEVEL sekrat or
something...I mean, come on Junior, my MOM knows about points and
picas and she's not a graphic or a print designer.
Yeesh...
*froup line amended*
You ADGers better watch out, Fixy here is a PRINT ARTIST (with no
examples of any work he's done) and he knows about POINTS and
PICAS...he's like...teh uber 1337...you best just bow the fuck down
before his MIGHTY PRINTING KNOWLEDGE!!1!
*snicker*
Maybe next he can REALLY impress us with pica to point conversion! I
bet NO ONE in ADG can do THAT! ^_^
=^.FixCat.^=
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> >Can you think in points and picas - or just pixels - cause I have never
> >heard anyone talk about KERNING in regards to pixels - that would be
> >letterspacing (a nice invention courtesy of desk top publishing) But I
> >guess in the end the result is the same.
>
> ...you know what's sad...the fact that you talk about points and picas
> like it's some mystical, next level, ultima, GOD LEVEL sekrat or
> something...I mean, come on Junior, my MOM knows about points and
> picas and she's not a graphic or a print designer.
You have a mother? I thought you were hatched.
>
> Yeesh...
>
> *froup line amended*
>
> You ADGers better watch out, Fixy here is a PRINT ARTIST (with no
> examples of any work he's done) and he knows about POINTS and
> PICAS...he's like...teh uber 1337...you best just bow the fuck down
> before his MIGHTY PRINTING KNOWLEDGE!!1!
>
uh - that would be she's and HER
you really don't pay attention, do you?
> *snicker*
>
> Maybe next he can REALLY impress us with pica to point conversion! I
> bet NO ONE in ADG can do THAT! ^_^
Next I'll impress everyone by using a proportion wheel . . .
stand back hatter - this will hurt when it hits your head
=^.FixCat.^=
Lamey wrote:
Just fake it :-)
magnus
> magnus6/8/06 11:19 PM
>
>>
>> "Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
>> news:s7tc82hu6slqi42g3...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:34:49 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
>>>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
>>>> I only meddle.....
>>>
>>> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
>>> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
>>
>>
>> How do you know this? Have you personally seen any of her work and if so,
>> what credentials or professional experience do you have that would merit
>> your opinion of someone's work as being "big time" or novice?Define "the
>> big
>> leagues" for me. Are you talking web based graphic artist or print
>> production graphic artist?
>>
>
> Does he realize that there IS a difference?
From what I gather, he doesn't. He also (apparently) thinks that anyone who
is a "GA" simply *must* post to graphic usenet groups.
>>
>>> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
>>> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
>>> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
>>> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
>>> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
>>> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
>>
>> Well first of all, I don't have "links" to any of my work as my efforts
>> are
>> used in a print production environment (not a web based application) and
>> become the intellectual property of the company I work for and the
>> clients
>> and ad agencies who hire us. While I have done concept design (logos and
>> the
>> like) I mainly preflight, adjust or correct existing art files or, if
>> requested, design (which I'd rather not do to be honest and if you'd
>> worked
>> with some of the people in the advertising agencies that I have, you'd
>> understand why).
>
> Do you work where I work. This is what I do. :-)
Heh, unless you're in Dallas, Tx, then I doubt I work with you (although you
sound like you'd be cool to work with.)
>
>
>> Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
>> color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
>> really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work.
>> You
>> get burnt out on it. Trust me.
>
> Aaaw c'mon- let's talk about Pit Stop, Speed Edit and imposition software
> and people who don't embed fonts in .pdf files . . .
No! No! Nooooooooooooo...............:-)
Or how about people who submit "print ready" art in RGB instead of CMYK or
people who can't seem to upload their art files to your FTP site even when
you're walking them through how to do it on the phone.
I wouldn't mind helping anyone out BUT these premadonna "designers" who act
is if they know everything should know better.....
LOL!
>
>>then I'll have to pass. I already know my dick is big.
>> If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting,
>> entertaining
>> and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
>> Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
>> least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back
>> up
>> on your site?
>
>
> You are very civilized :-) I have "hair of fire" so sometimes it's
> difficult
> for me - heheh
Unless someone really pisses me off, I try to be nice. It's better that way.
I have been known to be a might prickly at times :-)
nonsense
=^.FixCat.^=
magnus wrote:
> "=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C0AE98AC.6DC3%fix...@gmail.com...
> > magnus6/8/06 11:19 PM
> >
> >>
> >> "Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
> >> news:s7tc82hu6slqi42g3...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:34:49 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
> >>>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
> >>>> I only meddle.....
> >>>
> >>> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
> >>> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
> >>
> >>
> >> How do you know this? Have you personally seen any of her work and if so,
> >> what credentials or professional experience do you have that would merit
> >> your opinion of someone's work as being "big time" or novice?Define "the
> >> big
> >> leagues" for me. Are you talking web based graphic artist or print
> >> production graphic artist?
> >>
> >
> > Does he realize that there IS a difference?
>
>
> From what I gather, he doesn't. He also (apparently) thinks that anyone who
> is a "GA" simply *must* post to graphic usenet groups.
I have kids and it sounds like you have kids - I don't have time - you
have time?
>
> >>
> >>> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
> >>> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
> >>> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
> >>> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
> >>> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
> >>> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
> >>
> >> Well first of all, I don't have "links" to any of my work as my efforts
> >> are
> >> used in a print production environment (not a web based application) and
> >> become the intellectual property of the company I work for and the
> >> clients
> >> and ad agencies who hire us. While I have done concept design (logos and
> >> the
> >> like) I mainly preflight, adjust or correct existing art files or, if
> >> requested, design (which I'd rather not do to be honest and if you'd
> >> worked
> >> with some of the people in the advertising agencies that I have, you'd
> >> understand why).
> >
> > Do you work where I work. This is what I do. :-)
>
> Heh, unless you're in Dallas, Tx, then I doubt I work with you (although you
> sound like you'd be cool to work with.)
Oh no - hubby would never let us move there (read: Cowboys). I work in
Northern Virginia - outside of DC (red: Redskins) :-)
Us print people are generally pretty cool - at this point - lots of old
strippers, plate makers, camera guys (grumpy) and typesetters (me). I'm
only one of two women in our department of 15 dpp operators - so I have
to keep my wits about me (and sense of humor - and nose plugs cause
they all love to fart a lot).
>
> >
> >
> >> Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
> >> color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
> >> really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work.
> >> You
> >> get burnt out on it. Trust me.
> >
> > Aaaw c'mon- let's talk about Pit Stop, Speed Edit and imposition software
> > and people who don't embed fonts in .pdf files . . .
>
> No! No! Nooooooooooooo...............:-)
> Or how about people who submit "print ready" art in RGB instead of CMYK or
> people who can't seem to upload their art files to your FTP site even when
> you're walking them through how to do it on the phone.
> I wouldn't mind helping anyone out BUT these premadonna "designers" who act
> is if they know everything should know better.....
BLEED? I didn't give you enough bleed? How much do you need
Ohhh - my favorite: "But the color on the printed piece doesn't match
the color on my screen."
Oh yeah - I mean't to give you a smile on this one - heheh!
> >> If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting,
> >> entertaining
> >> and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
> >> Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
> >> least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back
> >> up
> >> on your site?
> >
> >
> > You are very civilized :-) I have "hair of fire" so sometimes it's
> > difficult
> > for me - heheh
>
> Unless someone really pisses me off, I try to be nice. It's better that way.
> I have been known to be a might prickly at times :-)
I try to be nice - most of the time - really :-)
krp
magnus
Yeah I have a son who is a handful so I rarely get time to post to usenet
anymore. Mainly, I post here or ahm.
Heh, I admit the Cowboys haven't been a very good team in a long time
(though we **may** do something this year) but our Mavericks are kickin the
old butt. Even if they don't go all the way, they've sure played a good
game.
>
> Us print people are generally pretty cool - at this point - lots of old
> strippers, plate makers, camera guys (grumpy) and typesetters (me). I'm
> only one of two women in our department of 15 dpp operators - so I have
> to keep my wits about me (and sense of humor - and nose plugs cause
> they all love to fart a lot).
Our guys work in the dark with very little light which is annoying at times
(to me anyway).
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density
>> >> adjustments,
>> >> color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I
>> >> don't
>> >> really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of
>> >> work.
>> >> You
>> >> get burnt out on it. Trust me.
>> >
>> > Aaaw c'mon- let's talk about Pit Stop, Speed Edit and imposition
>> > software
>> > and people who don't embed fonts in .pdf files . . .
>>
>> No! No! Nooooooooooooo...............:-)
>> Or how about people who submit "print ready" art in RGB instead of CMYK
>> or
>> people who can't seem to upload their art files to your FTP site even
>> when
>> you're walking them through how to do it on the phone.
>> I wouldn't mind helping anyone out BUT these premadonna "designers" who
>> act
>> is if they know everything should know better.....
>
> BLEED? I didn't give you enough bleed? How much do you need
Oh I know. That's almost a daily occurence.
>
> Ohhh - my favorite: "But the color on the printed piece doesn't match
> the color on my screen."
Lofl. Aint that the truth. Or they screen mix a PMS ink in CMYK and expect
it to look **exactly** like a PMS ink in the Pantone book.
"Gosh the 287 doesn't look like 287 on press....can we fix that?"
"Yes ma'm. We'll just pull the job off press (and charge you for that), make
the PMS a 5th color (and charge you for that), re-proof, replate and THEN
put it right back on. Let's see....that will come to about 750.00 extra..."
"Whhaaaaaaattt!?"
I have my moments.
>
>> >> If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting,
>> >> entertaining
>> >> and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
>> >> Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for
>> >> at
>> >> least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze
>> >> back
>> >> up
>> >> on your site?
>> >
>> >
>> > You are very civilized :-) I have "hair of fire" so sometimes it's
>> > difficult
>> > for me - heheh
>>
>> Unless someone really pisses me off, I try to be nice. It's better that
>> way.
>> I have been known to be a might prickly at times :-)
>
> I try to be nice - most of the time - really :-)
Yeah I can tell. Like I said, Hatter pushes a lot of people's buttons
sometimes. I push back.
FixCat
4 next month. Talk about handfulls - yikes! (yeah - i started late!)
Our marriage took a real upswing when Joe Gibbs came back - it was like
- well - I can't explain it - he was just a happier man (and I didn't
have to do a thing - ha!)
> >
> > Us print people are generally pretty cool - at this point - lots of old
> > strippers, plate makers, camera guys (grumpy) and typesetters (me). I'm
> > only one of two women in our department of 15 dpp operators - so I have
> > to keep my wits about me (and sense of humor - and nose plugs cause
> > they all love to fart a lot).
>
>
> Our guys work in the dark with very little light which is annoying at times
> (to me anyway).
> >
Old strippers, huh? I have a desk lamp cause all the ceiling lights
have had their bulbs removed - I can't stand working in the dark - at
all! Then they fuss about my lamp. I ignore them or throw a big paper
wad at 'em.
We wouldn't even do that - we're web press - magazines. The cost would
be waaay too much. What do you use for proofs? We've been using the
Epson Pro 4000 (have 8 of them) which turns out two pages that get
folded down. Press proofs are the big HPs. We run pola/fuji's if they
want a real color proof - mainly for ads. Are you sheet fed?
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>> ...you know what's sad...the fact that you talk about points and picas
>> like it's some mystical, next level, ultima, GOD LEVEL sekrat or
>> something...I mean, come on Junior, my MOM knows about points and
>> picas and she's not a graphic or a print designer.
>You have a mother? I thought you were hatched.
Oh my, didn't anyone ever tell you about "the birds and the bees"?
>> Yeesh...
>>
>> *froup line amended*
>>
>> You ADGers better watch out, Fixy here is a PRINT ARTIST (with no
>> examples of any work he's done) and he knows about POINTS and
>> PICAS...he's like...teh uber 1337...you best just bow the fuck down
>> before his MIGHTY PRINTING KNOWLEDGE!!1!
>uh - that would be she's and HER
>you really don't pay attention, do you?
Let me know when you complete your sex reassignment surgery, then I'll
star referring to you as "she" and "her", Tranny Chan.
>> *snicker*
>>
>> Maybe next he can REALLY impress us with pica to point conversion! I
>> bet NO ONE in ADG can do THAT! ^_^
>Next I'll impress everyone by using a proportion wheel . . .
Oh hey, why don't you break on out the SLIDE RULE while yer at it!
*snicker*
>stand back hatter - this will hurt when it hits your head
Oh boy, he's threatening me with a paper disk now.
Onideus Mad Hatter
>> Ohhh - my favorite: "But the color on the printed piece doesn't match
>> the color on my screen."
>Lofl. Aint that the truth. Or they screen mix a PMS ink in CMYK and expect
>it to look **exactly** like a PMS ink in the Pantone book.
>"Gosh the 287 doesn't look like 287 on press....can we fix that?"
>
>"Yes ma'm. We'll just pull the job off press (and charge you for that), make
>the PMS a 5th color (and charge you for that), re-proof, replate and THEN
>put it right back on. Let's see....that will come to about 750.00 extra..."
>
>"Whhaaaaaaattt!?"
Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...then again maybe
you don't really know what yer doing...after all, you seem to think
there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
is just a graphic artist drop out, they got halfway through the
material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
knowledge). *shrugs*
I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
about printing? Oh yeah, cause you can't BE a graphic artist WITHOUT
that knowledge and understanding.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
=^.FixCat.^=
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:58:59 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> >> Ohhh - my favorite: "But the color on the printed piece doesn't match
> >> the color on my screen."
>
> >Lofl. Aint that the truth. Or they screen mix a PMS ink in CMYK and expect
> >it to look **exactly** like a PMS ink in the Pantone book.
> >"Gosh the 287 doesn't look like 287 on press....can we fix that?"
> >
> >"Yes ma'm. We'll just pull the job off press (and charge you for that), make
> >the PMS a 5th color (and charge you for that), re-proof, replate and THEN
> >put it right back on. Let's see....that will come to about 750.00 extra..."
> >
> >"Whhaaaaaaattt!?"
>
> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...then again maybe
> you don't really know what yer doing...after all, you seem to think
> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
> is just a graphic artist drop out, they got halfway through the
> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
> knowledge). *shrugs*
>
> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
> about printing? Oh yeah, cause you can't BE a graphic artist WITHOUT
> that knowledge and understanding.
>
Keep talking, OMH - you're just showing your ignorance - I understood
perfectly what Magnus was talking about - and so would anyone working
in print. Why don't you just go and play with your paint shop pro . . .
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
>> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...then again maybe
>> you don't really know what yer doing...after all, you seem to think
>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
>> is just a graphic artist drop out, they got halfway through the
>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
>> knowledge). *shrugs*
>>
>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
>> about printing? Oh yeah, cause you can't BE a graphic artist WITHOUT
>> that knowledge and understanding.
>Keep talking, OMH -
No, I'll keep PRODUCING actually, you can keep talking, Tranny Chan.
>you're just showing your ignorance -
This coming from the bumbling idiot who doesn't send their client
proper proofs...and then obviously doesn't bother to tell their client
that the lacking proofs they are sending them aren't an accurate
portrayal of what the final result will be.
Free cl00, if yer client is screaming "WHAT?!" at you...you fucked up
at some point in the process...unless you just have some incredible
uber level idiot client that suddenly changes their mind at the last
second...but then normally that's why you have contracts with specific
dead lines for changes and such.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Onideus Mad Hatter
>> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
>> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
>How do you know this? Have you personally seen any of her work and if so,
>what credentials or professional experience do you have that would merit
>your opinion of someone's work as being "big time" or novice?Define "the big
>leagues" for me. Are you talking web based graphic artist or print
>production graphic artist?
Let me put it as simply as possible...I'm talking about ACTUAL, REAL,
NON-IMAGINARY, NON-RUNNING-AT-THE-FUCKING-MOUTH work...like I said,
either you produce and you have examples of your work...or yer runnin
at the fuckin mouth. The aspect of critiquing one's artistic ability
from a literal (non subjective) view point can't even fuckin enter
into the equation at this point because SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY WORK.
DUM DUM DUM DUM!
Here's what Mara has:
http://www.whoismara.com/
A semi-nude photograph of her old, withering body and 80s style hair
with a semi-transparent solid blue overlay. From a technical stand
point there is nothing unique or interesting about the piece and it
would have required only the skillz of a first year graphic arts major
to accomplish...maybe not even that much.
>> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
>> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
>> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
>> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
>> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
>> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
>Well first of all, I don't have "links" to any of my work as my efforts are
>used in a print production environment (not a web based application) and
>become the intellectual property of the company I work for and the clients
>and ad agencies who hire us. While I have done concept design (logos and the
>like) I mainly preflight, adjust or correct existing art files or, if
>requested, design (which I'd rather not do to be honest and if you'd worked
>with some of the people in the advertising agencies that I have, you'd
>understand why).
So you have done concept designs but for some reason you can't put
them online...uh huh, sure.
>Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
>color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
>really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work. You
>get burnt out on it. Trust me.
So you're a graphic/print monkey. You don't actually get to be
creative in your field you just hit the fuckin button and send another
cog through the machine. I guess that's why you consider
graphic/print artistry to be work...rather than pure joy and
contentment. I mean, seriously, I practically eat and breath graphic
art, video editing, programming, web development, etc...it's never
work for me, it's what I love, if yer not doing what you love then you
have no right to think of yourself as being proficient or knowledable
in your field.
>Finally, I am by no means an "expert" in any of the programs I use
>(Photoshop, InDesign, etc) but I'm no wimp either.
>It sounds like you may be equating print production and (offset/flexo)
>graphic design with web design. Knowing how to use a program and it's
>capabilities/applications doesn't necessary equate to being a graphic
>designer. I know how my car's engine works but I'm no mechanic.
>I know how to use and design using some graphic software (and have for
>years) but don't consider myself an expert.
>OTOH, my friend Matt ***is*** an expert (both web and print) and I assure
>you, there aint no better than him (that I have seen anyway) though I'm sure
>they're people out there who are. As I said earlier, I "meddle".
>Another friend, "Arioch" is right up there with Sugien and (probably) Steve
>Gielda with regard to his knowledge of hacking, cracking and security so, on
>weekends when we aren't busy doing daddy duty or whatever , we trade "ideas"
>and tutor one another.
>I'd be happy to spend some time and post in a "GA" newsgroup when I have
>time. I could probably get Matt to do so too but I'm not going to play my
>dick is bigger than your dick with anyone so if the tone in the group(s)
>you're referring to is combative or "gee, I'm such a genius with Pagemaker
>(lol)" then I'll have to pass.
Actually much the opposite, however I am trying to push the froup into
a more competitive center...it breeds better artistry you know...plus
it weeds out the fools and wannabes pretty quick. Currently the froup
is more mellow and accepting, like there are collabrative "games" if
you will, like Photoshop ping pong:
http://www.brianmays.com/pingpong/
And then there's like the 14 Days challenge, where you try and produce
14 pieces of artwork in 14 days (any medium or subject you want and
you can start any time you like and do it as many times as you like).
There was an "official" starting point back on like Feb 14...it's not
really competitive though except against yourself.
The froup is fairly diverse, some peeps there are hard nosed like
myself and will REALLY critique yer work...sometimes even if ya don't
ask and then there are others that are accepting of everyone and then
you've got your spam types who pop in tryin to sell ice to eskimos,
you've got your froup idiots (like ArtistMike), you know, typical
Usenet froup.
>I already know my dick is big.
>If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting, entertaining
>and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
>Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
>least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back up
>on your site?
That's like asking when I'm going to finish the new CB site:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/care-bears/
Or when I'm going to put teh new Lego site up. Or when I'm going to
finish Josh's personal blog. Or when I'm going to put out another
AMV. Or when I'm going to finish that faux DS9 movie trailer. Or
when I'm going to finish that FF9 game guide:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/FF9_Guide/
I got a lot of projects...hundreds really, I work on them when I like
so there's not really any set time table or anything. I do what I
like and I love what I do. *shrugs*
magnus
> So you have done concept designs but for some reason you can't put
> them online...uh huh, sure.
Poor Hatter. You just don't get it.
>
>>Secondly, I work with graphics, layout, color (ie, density adjustments,
>>color corrections to CMYK files, etc etc) **daily** for hours so I don't
>>really have too much of an interest in discussing work outside of work.
>>You
>>get burnt out on it. Trust me.
>
> So you're a graphic/print monkey.
Lol.
You don't actually get to be
> creative in your field you just hit the fuckin button and send another
> cog through the machine.
Hatter I assure you I **do** "get to be creative" in my field.
It's not my property when it's work related. I'm not about to post it either
because you see, I need a job and am not about to risk losing mine to prove
how wrong you are. Suffice it to say, if you've ever worn some major brand
name's sporting goods products or see a certain manufacturer's fitness water
commercial or any of about 350 other media campaigns or projects, then I'm
99% sure you've seen my work.
I guess that's why you consider
> graphic/print artistry to be work...rather than pure joy and
> contentment.
No, I consider the graphic arts industry (in general) to be interesting and
fun.
I consider it's application in the print world to be work and if you had to
go through DAILY what I do, I assure you that you'd be burnt out on some
aspects of it too. Remember Matthew, I deal with 100's of projects
over a years time and better than 65% of the time, these "graphic artists"
and "professional designers" submit art that is chock full of mistakes that
I (or one of us) have to fix so yeah, it get's old sometime.
I mean, seriously, I practically eat and breath graphic
> art, video editing, programming, web development, etc...it's never
> work for me, it's what I love, if yer not doing what you love then you
> have no right to think of yourself as being proficient or knowledable
> in your field.
I know many people who are experts in their respective fields and don't love
their jobs so what you've said is incorrect from a factual standpoint and is
merely your opinion.
OK well if what you've stated is true, I might take a peek.
>
> The froup is fairly diverse, some peeps there are hard nosed like
> myself and will REALLY critique yer work...sometimes even if ya don't
> ask and then there are others that are accepting of everyone and then
> you've got your spam types who pop in tryin to sell ice to eskimos,
> you've got your froup idiots (like ArtistMike), you know, typical
> Usenet froup.
IN other words, a typical usenet group.
>
>>I already know my dick is big.
>>If however, the tone of the group is civil and as interesting,
>>entertaining
>>and relaxing as AHM or 2600 is to me, then ok, I'll take a peek.
>>Now will you finally answer the question that I've been asking you for at
>>least , oh....2.5 years? When the fuck are you going to put the maze back
>>up
>>on your site?
>
> That's like asking when I'm going to finish the new CB site:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/care-bears/
>
> Or when I'm going to put teh new Lego site up. Or when I'm going to
> finish Josh's personal blog. Or when I'm going to put out another
> AMV. Or when I'm going to finish that faux DS9 movie trailer. Or
> when I'm going to finish that FF9 game guide:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/FF9_Guide/
>
> I got a lot of projects...hundreds really, I work on them when I like
> so there's not really any set time table or anything. I do what I
> like and I love what I do. *shrugs*
Spread yourself out too thin and you'll never complete them all.
Personally, I'd like to see the maze and the DS9 trailer completed first.
Just my 2 cents....
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm น x น
=^.FixCat.^=
magnus wrote:
sorry - snip
maybe if we just send him a copy of POCKET PAL he'll shut up?
We have a coloring book here called Web Printing - great for the kiddies
magnus
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:58:59 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
>>> Ohhh - my favorite: "But the color on the printed piece doesn't match
>>> the color on my screen."
>
>>Lofl. Aint that the truth. Or they screen mix a PMS ink in CMYK and expect
>>it to look **exactly** like a PMS ink in the Pantone book.
>>"Gosh the 287 doesn't look like 287 on press....can we fix that?"
>>
>>"Yes ma'm. We'll just pull the job off press (and charge you for that),
>>make
>>the PMS a 5th color (and charge you for that), re-proof, replate and THEN
>>put it right back on. Let's see....that will come to about 750.00
>>extra..."
>>
>>"Whhaaaaaaattt!?"
>
> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...
No! Really!?. Matt, it is (unfortunately) a **regular** occurence to have a
client or designer change color elements ON PRESS especially on PMS screen
mixes. They get hit with a CA and they pay it.
I have seen press checks that lasted for days before they signed off on a
sheet. The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
fact. Period. Plus things can change on the RIP and then you have a plating
issue that you don't discover until you're already on press.
then again maybe
> you don't really know what yer doing...
Yeah guess not. That's must be why they pay me so much or why I regularly
see some of my work in print ads and advertising ads and campaigns all over
the world.
after all, you seem to think
> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
> is just a graphic artist drop out,
Well, again, that's your opinion. I really don't give 2 craps and a whistle
if you think I am or am not a graphic artist. You can think what you want. I
don't care. I know what I do and am comfortable with what I do and who I am.
I've done it all from stripping, csr, scheduling, stripping, running a
press, layout and impo and finally graphic art production and design.
Believe what you want. I don't give a shit :-)
they got halfway through the
> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
> knowledge). *shrugs*
>
> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
> about printing?
Hatter, no offense but I doubt you could be a print production artist in a
large sheetfed or web environment. People don't have 3 weeks to wait for
your concept and proof. You're lucky to have 2 days for concept & 1st proof.
Besides, with all of your "100's" of projects going on that appear to be in
various stages of completion (yet remain unfinished) this tells me that in a
fast paced environment, you couldn't keep up. Just an opinion of course and
not a fact but the above statement aside, I'm positive your attitude would
get you fired in 1 day. Maybe as a freelance you'd excel but either way, you
have to work on your people skills because frankly, they suck.
Personally, I have no problem with you and your opinions. In fact, I've
sometimes chuckled at some of your posts over the years and have kept track
of some of your projects that you've mentioned working on (especially the
DS9 project) but other times, I skip over some of your posts when I see that
they've degenerated into name calling, insults and "suck my dick"-type
statements. You're better than that Matt.
Work on your people skills and you'd be surprised how much people's
attitudes toward you and your work can change.
Onideus Mad Hatter
>> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
>> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...
>No! Really!?. Matt, it is (unfortunately) a **regular** occurence to have a
>client or designer change color elements ON PRESS especially on PMS screen
>mixes. They get hit with a CA and they pay it.
I guess I just have better communication with my clients and better
business practices as I set very specific dates at which point NO
changes can be made, even if they want to pay a lot of money for it.
And quite frankly, I wouldn't want a client who DIDN'T want to operate
on that level, because I have no patience for incompetence and wishy
washy clients. On a couple of occasions I've actually rejected
clients AFTER the fact, refunded their money and told them they would
need to hire a better contact and change the way they did business if
they wanted to do business with me (these were clients who were so
unbelievably fucking stupid it would have wound up costing me for the
job after dealing with their hour to hour corrections, alterations and
fuckups).
>I have seen press checks that lasted for days before they signed off on a
>sheet.
Now that's just dumb. I mean maybe if you were doing all yer printing
in house you could fuck around like that, but for me I out source
large printing jobs for convenience and I doubt they would be too
happy with me if I did shit like that.
>The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
>accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
>fact. Period.
The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
> Plus things can change on the RIP and then you have a plating
>issue that you don't discover until you're already on press.
Ahhh monkey printing, personally I leave that chit to someone else,
it's a hell of a lot easier (and less messy).
>> then again maybe
>> you don't really know what yer doing...
>Yeah guess not. That's must be why they pay me so much or why I regularly
>see some of my work in print ads and advertising ads and campaigns all over
>the world.
Yeah all that imaginary work that you swore a blood oath to the Skull
and Bones society never to reveal to anyone or they would sacrifice a
virgin and chop off yer balls...uh huh...talk, talk, talk, talk,
talk...yer good at that. By the by, I've never seen ANY contract that
would restrict an artist from not being able to claim credit for work
they've done...in fact I'm fairly certain that any such contract would
probably violate some law or another.
>> after all, you seem to think
>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
>> is just a graphic artist drop out,
>Well, again, that's your opinion. I really don't give 2 craps and a whistle
>if you think I am or am not a graphic artist. You can think what you want. I
>don't care. I know what I do and am comfortable with what I do and who I am.
>I've done it all from stripping, csr, scheduling, stripping, running a
>press, layout and impo and finally graphic art production and design.
>Believe what you want. I don't give a shit :-)
That's a LOVELY paragraph worth of "not giving a shit". Would you
like to write a whole book about how you "don't give a shit" or do you
think you've got it covered? Ooo, how about a website? You could
call it, www.i-really-dont-give-a-shit.com and you could have like a
daily blog reminding everyone just how much you supposedly don't give
a shit...just in case, you know, they like forgot or something...or
you forgot...or, you know...whatever. ^_^
>> they got halfway through the
>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
>> knowledge). *shrugs*
>>
>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
>> about printing?
>Hatter, no offense but I doubt you could be a print production artist in a
>large sheetfed or web environment. People don't have 3 weeks to wait for
>your concept and proof. You're lucky to have 2 days for concept & 1st proof.
That's quite a lot of time actually. I mean yer honestly sittin the
fuck around for TWO DAYS comin up with a concept and a rough proof?
Yeesh. That's somethin that prolly shouldn't take you more than 3 or
4 hours at the most...and that's bein leisurely about it.
>Besides, with all of your "100's" of projects going on that appear to be in
>various stages of completion (yet remain unfinished) this tells me that in a
>fast paced environment, you couldn't keep up.
*snicker*
My personal projects are my personal art, which I do when I like, the
point with that is that there *IS* no deadline, not for my personal
art.
What's funny about your presumption is that a lot of my clients go
with me because I can get things done at light blinding speed. Most
of that comes from the fact that my expertise covers such a wide range
of disciplines, so I have no need to ping pong shit back and forth. A
copy editor and a print monkey outfit, that's all I need (although I
try not to deal with large print publications if at all possible, it's
not as much fun and the medium is often too limiting). I enjoy small
printing jobs alright though, like menus for a restaurant and that
sort of thing. Mass printing shit though...eh...boring.
>Just an opinion of course and
>not a fact but the above statement aside, I'm positive your attitude would
>get you fired in 1 day.
He, he, he...you confuse the Internet with the real world. My
attitude would probably get me promoted within a day. I have one of
the strongest protestant work ethics you can ever even begin to
imagine and I not only get along with coworkers and clients, I often
help to quell potential emotional snafus before they have a chance to
erupt into a major melodramatic shit bombs.
It's one thing to cause chaos and disruption in the online world where
none of you really matters to me...but it's quite another when you're
in the middle of it. Basically it's the difference between getting on
a loud speaker and yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater and being IN
the theater and yelling "FIRE"...the later of which is prolly gonna
wind up gettin you trampled along with everyone else.
In the real world, I'm one of the most likable people you can ever
imagine...it's just for show though, social manipulation at its
finest, inside I generally loath people and their pathetic meandering
little problems and deficiencies...but you would never be able to
convince them of that, not after they've been exposed for any length
of time to my faux charm and caring, attentive attitude.
It's funny sometimes...there are so many people in this world who call
me friend...but despite what they feel I'll never truly be able to
reciprocate, their friendship to me is as bland and tasteless as white
bread and water, their fleeting little lives will be over in a near
instant from my perspective, nothing more than faceless shadows, one
replacing another, over and over, forever and ever... *shrugs*
>Maybe as a freelance you'd excel but either way, you
>have to work on your people skills because frankly, they suck.
I'll be sure to let you know when I start requiring people skills on
Usenet. *rolls eyes*
>Personally, I have no problem with you and your opinions. In fact, I've
>sometimes chuckled at some of your posts over the years and have kept track
>of some of your projects that you've mentioned working on (especially the
>DS9 project) but other times, I skip over some of your posts when I see that
>they've degenerated into name calling, insults and "suck my dick"-type
>statements. You're better than that Matt.
Of course I am, you confuse those lesser posts though with real
meaning...they're actually meant to be mocking the person I'm replying
to, see that's why it's funny...especially when they don't realize
you're only mocking them.
>Work on your people skills and you'd be surprised how much people's
>attitudes toward you and your work can change.
Yeah yer preachin to the choir, Kiddo. But Usenet and the Internet in
general is the one place where I can get a break from the bullshit of
you irrational humans and your uncontrollable emotional mind states.
For people like me, emotion is a form of recreation, not a way of
life.
=^.FixCat.^=
RIP - what's a rip? Heheh
Yeah - he knows all of this
The kind of clients we love, huh?
>
>
> then again maybe
>> you don't really know what yer doing...
>
> Yeah guess not. That's must be why they pay me so much or why I regularly
> see some of my work in print ads and advertising ads and campaigns all over
> the world.
Same here dude - believe it or not, what Magnus and I do pays far more than
a graphic designer/artist most times. But you won't believe that - so - stay
stuck on st00pid
>
>
> after all, you seem to think
>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
>> is just a graphic artist drop out,
>
> Well, again, that's your opinion. I really don't give 2 craps and a whistle
> if you think I am or am not a graphic artist. You can think what you want. I
> don't care. I know what I do and am comfortable with what I do and who I am.
> I've done it all from stripping, csr, scheduling, stripping, running a
> press, layout and impo and finally graphic art production and design.
> Believe what you want. I don't give a shit :-)
Uh yeah- the "graphics" part is only a fraction of the finished piece. I
love what I do, but it does not define me as a person - I have other things
like family, children, volunteer work - that does that for me.
>
>
> they got halfway through the
>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
>> knowledge). *shrugs*
>>
>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
>> about printing?
>
>
> Hatter, no offense but I doubt you could be a print production artist in a
> large sheetfed or web environment. People don't have 3 weeks to wait for
> your concept and proof. You're lucky to have 2 days for concept & 1st proof.
> Besides, with all of your "100's" of projects going on that appear to be in
> various stages of completion (yet remain unfinished) this tells me that in a
> fast paced environment, you couldn't keep up. Just an opinion of course and
> not a fact but the above statement aside, I'm positive your attitude would
> get you fired in 1 day. Maybe as a freelance you'd excel but either way, you
> have to work on your people skills because frankly, they suck.
To the point. Could you see him as a customer service rep (or account rep)?
magnus
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:32:13 -0500, "magnus" <g...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
>>> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
>>> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...
>
>>No! Really!?. Matt, it is (unfortunately) a **regular** occurence to have
>>a
>>client or designer change color elements ON PRESS especially on PMS screen
>>mixes. They get hit with a CA and they pay it.
>
> I guess I just have better communication with my clients and better
> business practices as I set very specific dates at which point NO
> changes can be made, even if they want to pay a lot of money for it.
I guess all 5 of your clients keep you pretty busy....
> And quite frankly, I wouldn't want a client who DIDN'T want to operate
> on that level, because I have no patience for incompetence and wishy
> washy clients.
Gee, now your clients have to live up to your standards or you simply won't
do any work for them?
On a couple of occasions I've actually rejected
> clients AFTER the fact, refunded their money and told them they would
> need to hire a better contact and change the way they did business if
> they wanted to do business with me (these were clients who were so
> unbelievably fucking stupid it would have wound up costing me for the
> job after dealing with their hour to hour corrections, alterations and
> fuckups).
Erm, those would be chargeable alterations and change orders Hatter. Look up
value added sometime.
>
>>I have seen press checks that lasted for days before they signed off on a
>>sheet.
>
> Now that's just dumb. I mean maybe if you were doing all yer printing
> in house you could fuck around like that, but for me I out source
> large printing jobs for convenience and I doubt they would be too
> happy with me if I did shit like that.
So you're a print broker.
>
>>The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>>corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
>>accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
>>fact. Period.
>
> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
>
>> Plus things can change on the RIP and then you have a plating
>>issue that you don't discover until you're already on press.
>
> Ahhh monkey printing, personally I leave that chit to someone else,
> it's a hell of a lot easier (and less messy).
>
>>> then again maybe
>>> you don't really know what yer doing...
>
>>Yeah guess not. That's must be why they pay me so much or why I regularly
>>see some of my work in print ads and advertising ads and campaigns all
>>over
>>the world.
>
> Yeah all that imaginary work that you swore a blood oath to the Skull
> and Bones society never to reveal to anyone or they would sacrifice a
> virgin and chop off yer balls...uh huh...talk, talk, talk, talk,
> talk...yer good at that.
And you dance so well that Ricky Martin is jealous..
By the by, I've never seen ANY contract that
> would restrict an artist from not being able to claim credit for work
> they've done...in fact I'm fairly certain that any such contract would
> probably violate some law or another.
Then obviously you have no clue about non-compete or intellectual property
employment clauses.
>
>>> after all, you seem to think
>>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
>>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
>>> is just a graphic artist drop out,
>
>>Well, again, that's your opinion. I really don't give 2 craps and a
>>whistle
>>if you think I am or am not a graphic artist. You can think what you want.
>>I
>>don't care. I know what I do and am comfortable with what I do and who I
>>am.
>>I've done it all from stripping, csr, scheduling, stripping, running a
>>press, layout and impo and finally graphic art production and design.
>>Believe what you want. I don't give a shit :-)
>
> That's a LOVELY paragraph worth of "not giving a shit". Would you
> like to write a whole book about how you "don't give a shit" or do you
> think you've got it covered?
Gee I don't know Hatter. If I can get you to keep wasting moments of your
life reading and replying to my posts, then I'll post War and Peace.
Ooo, how about a website? You could
> call it, www.i-really-dont-give-a-shit.com and you could have like a
> daily blog reminding everyone just how much you supposedly don't give
> a shit...just in case, you know, they like forgot or something...or
> you forgot...or, you know...whatever. ^_^
Naw, I'd rather create a website about Legos & diaper fetish dementia. Oh
wait, you've already beat me to it :p
>
>>> they got halfway through the
>>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
>>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
>>> knowledge). *shrugs*
>>>
>>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
>>> about printing?
>
>>Hatter, no offense but I doubt you could be a print production artist in a
>>large sheetfed or web environment. People don't have 3 weeks to wait for
>>your concept and proof. You're lucky to have 2 days for concept & 1st
>>proof.
>
> That's quite a lot of time actually. I mean yer honestly sittin the
> fuck around for TWO DAYS comin up with a concept and a rough proof?
> Yeesh. That's somethin that prolly shouldn't take you more than 3 or
> 4 hours at the most...and that's bein leisurely about it.
Yeah most major ad agencies crank out their multi-million dollar campaigns
in 3 to 4 hours........
>>Besides, with all of your "100's" of projects going on that appear to be
>>in
>>various stages of completion (yet remain unfinished) this tells me that in
>>a
>>fast paced environment, you couldn't keep up.
>
> *snicker*
>
> My personal projects are my personal art, which I do when I like, the
> point with that is that there *IS* no deadline, not for my personal
> art.
Maybe you should clear your busy work schedule then because it's been at
LEAST 1.5 years that you've been talking about the DS9 project.
> What's funny about your presumption is that a lot of my clients go
> with me because I can get things done at light blinding speed. Most
> of that comes from the fact that my expertise covers such a wide range
> of disciplines, so I have no need to ping pong shit back and forth. A
> copy editor and a print monkey outfit, that's all I need (although I
> try not to deal with large print publications if at all possible, it's
> not as much fun and the medium is often too limiting). I enjoy small
> printing jobs alright though, like menus for a restaurant and that
> sort of thing. Mass printing shit though...eh...boring.
Maybe for you. Several hundred thousand disagree but hey, if simple AB Dick
work is what you like, knock yourself out. Quick Print type shops can be
quite profitable (so I hear.)
>
>>Just an opinion of course and
>>not a fact but the above statement aside, I'm positive your attitude would
>>get you fired in 1 day.
>
> He, he, he...you confuse the Internet with the real world. My
> attitude would probably get me promoted within a day.
I have little doubt that your arrogant attitude flows into your RL.
In fact, I have no doubt at all. Anyone who would tell a client that they
should "find another contact" because they don't live up to your standards
of how you feel color corrections and proofs should be handled
is rude. Even if that's what you really believe, you should never approach
their lack of knowledge with such rude demeanor.
I have one of
> the strongest protestant work ethics you can ever even begin to
> imagine and I not only get along with coworkers and clients, I often
> help to quell potential emotional snafus before they have a chance to
> erupt into a major melodramatic shit bombs.
I have no doubt that you're proactive and knowledgable at what you do but
all that is shit if you *can't* keep a client. It's all about service these
days, Matt. Quality is important too but service is what matters in the end.
People will pay a premium for that extra mile. You get what you pay for.
magnus
You know it :-)
>>
>>
>> then again maybe
>>> you don't really know what yer doing...
>>
>> Yeah guess not. That's must be why they pay me so much or why I regularly
>> see some of my work in print ads and advertising ads and campaigns all
>> over
>> the world.
>
>
> Same here dude - believe it or not, what Magnus and I do pays far more
> than
> a graphic designer/artist most times. But you won't believe that - so -
> stay
> stuck on st00pid
Oh but remember, he's just playing stupid. He isn't like this in real life.
It's just his usenet persona.
>>
>>
>> after all, you seem to think
>>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
>>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
>>> is just a graphic artist drop out,
>>
>> Well, again, that's your opinion. I really don't give 2 craps and a
>> whistle
>> if you think I am or am not a graphic artist. You can think what you
>> want. I
>> don't care. I know what I do and am comfortable with what I do and who I
>> am.
>> I've done it all from stripping, csr, scheduling, stripping, running a
>> press, layout and impo and finally graphic art production and design.
>> Believe what you want. I don't give a shit :-)
>
>
> Uh yeah- the "graphics" part is only a fraction of the finished piece. I
> love what I do, but it does not define me as a person - I have other
> things
> like family, children, volunteer work - that does that for me.
Me too. Heavy on the family.
>
>
>>
>>
>> they got halfway through the
>>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
>>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
>>> knowledge). *shrugs*
>>>
>>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
>>> about printing?
>>
>>
>> Hatter, no offense but I doubt you could be a print production artist in
>> a
>> large sheetfed or web environment. People don't have 3 weeks to wait for
>> your concept and proof. You're lucky to have 2 days for concept & 1st
>> proof.
>> Besides, with all of your "100's" of projects going on that appear to be
>> in
>> various stages of completion (yet remain unfinished) this tells me that
>> in a
>> fast paced environment, you couldn't keep up. Just an opinion of course
>> and
>> not a fact but the above statement aside, I'm positive your attitude
>> would
>> get you fired in 1 day. Maybe as a freelance you'd excel but either way,
>> you
>> have to work on your people skills because frankly, they suck.
>
> To the point. Could you see him as a customer service rep (or account
> rep)?
Heh, not even.
=^.FixCat.^=
Yeah Lamey - kind of like a plug in etch a sketch
=^.FixCat.^=
Lamey wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:05:00 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
> <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
> >On 11 Jun 2006 01:40:45 -0700, "=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>> Normally one would send teh client a proof first and any color
> >>> corrections would be done BEFORE it goes to press...then again maybe
> >>> you don't really know what yer doing...after all, you seem to think
> >>> there is some magical difference between a print artist and a graphic
> >>> artist...really, to me, someone who says they're only a print artist
> >>> is just a graphic artist drop out, they got halfway through the
> >>> material and then just dropped out when it got to be too difficult to
> >>> finish (and vice versa with those who say they're GAs with no printing
> >>> knowledge). *shrugs*
> >>>
> >>> I mean, *I'M* a graphic artist...so why the fuck do I know so much
> >>> about printing? Oh yeah, cause you can't BE a graphic artist WITHOUT
> >>> that knowledge and understanding.
> >
> >>Keep talking, OMH -
> >
> >No, I'll keep PRODUCING actually, you can keep talking, Tranny Chan.
>
Sure, Lamey - he's an idiot who thinks FixCat is a transvestite (or
something like that) and is a man - ain't he just too smart? He sure
figured me out all right . . .
> >
> >>you're just showing your ignorance -
> >
> >This coming from the bumbling idiot who doesn't send their client
> >proper proofs...and then obviously doesn't bother to tell their client
> >that the lacking proofs they are sending them aren't an accurate
> >portrayal of what the final result will be.
> >
> >Free cl00, if yer client is screaming "WHAT?!" at you...you fucked up
> >at some point in the process...unless you just have some incredible
> >uber level idiot client that suddenly changes their mind at the last
> >second...but then normally that's why you have contracts with specific
> >dead lines for changes and such.
> >
> > --
> >
> >Onideus Mad Hatter
> >mhm ¹ x ¹
=^.FixCat.^=
Lamey wrote:
> On 11 Jun 2006 07:33:10 -0700, "=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com>
Naw - you don't want one of those - they're just for preschooler's -
that's why I thought it would be perfect for Had Matter
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
> Can you explain the *tranny chan* thing for me please? Thanks.
>Sure, Lamey - he's an idiot who thinks FixCat is a transvestite (or
>something like that) and is a man - ain't he just too smart? He sure
>figured me out all right . . .
...not only that but you also refer to yourself in the third
person...perhaps it's worse than we all thought. Maybe you have some
sort of split personality disorder, where one personality is female
and the other is male. Which Tranny Chan are you right now? The tit
one or the cock one?
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>
>Lamey wrote:
>> On 11 Jun 2006 07:33:10 -0700, "=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >magnus wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >sorry - snip
>> >
>> >maybe if we just send him a copy of POCKET PAL he'll shut up?
>> >
>> >We have a coloring book here called Web Printing - great for the kiddies
>>
>>
>> Can I hace one?
>
>Naw - you don't want one of those - they're just for preschooler's -
Which explains why you have them, you probably use it as a reference
manual, fucking stupid as you are.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
There's some other version? Wow!!!...are you dumb.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Mimic
>>> The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>>> corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
>>> accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
>>> fact. Period.
>> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
>> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
>> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
>> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
>> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
>> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
>> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
>> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
>
> I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
>
heh, and thats not taking into account things like copyright and
trademark. Ever wonder why spidermans costume is a different shade of
red in the sequal.... ;)
--
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=^.FixCat.^=
> magnus wrote:
>
>>>> The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>>>> corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
>>>> accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
>>>> fact. Period.
>>> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
>>> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
>>> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
>>> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
>>> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
>>> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
>>> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
>>> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
>>
>> I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
>>
>
> heh, and thats not taking into account things like copyright and
> trademark. Ever wonder why spidermans costume is a different shade of
> red in the sequal.... ;)
When I was taking classes up at GATF (graphic arts tech found) - they said
the most difficult printing job was the AVON catalog - the color had to be
purrfect.
Coca Cola RED is trademarked, too
All sorts of cool stuff
Mimic
Its surprising what printed media is trademarked and to what degree, too
many dots, not enough, ariel instead of verdana, width, etc, all make a
HUGE difference
magnus
"Mimic" <d...@null.com> wrote in message
news:d7SdndV_xaWB3BLZ...@pipex.net...
Exactly. I have horror stories of logos that weren't "scaled" to the correct
size and entire jobs had to be reprinted.
=^.FixCat.^=
At the printer's expense, no doubt.
One day I'd like to just flop a logo - especially in the publications
we print for a certain gun lobby . . .
OR -
somedays you eat the bear
somedays the bear/bison/elk/rabbit/turkey/deer/muskrat/weezel/vice
president 's buddy eats you
meheh
=^.FixCat.^=
Aaah - the good old days of Megaron, Helios and regular freekin Times
Roman
trippy
hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> magnus wrote:
>
> >>> The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
> >>> corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
> >>> accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
> >>> fact. Period.
> >> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
> >> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
> >> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
> >> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
> >> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
> >> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
> >> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
> >> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
> >
> > I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
> >
>
> heh, and thats not taking into account things like copyright and
> trademark. Ever wonder why spidermans costume is a different shade of
> red in the sequal.... ;)
>
Both movies were made through Marvel Comics, the creators of
Spiderman. Not really getting the point, I guess.
--
trippy
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"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."
-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"
trippy
> =^.FixCat.^= wrote:
Does it?
To be honest, I thought it was all pretty much the same.
Guess that's why I'm not in Graphic Arts. That and I can't even draw a
decent stick figure.
magnus
"trippy" <silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef94039b...@news.alt.net...
> In article <xICdnddVAMA...@pipex.net>, Mimic took the
> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>> magnus wrote:
>>
>> >>> The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>> >>> corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a
>> >>> 100%
>> >>> accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's
>> >>> a
>> >>> fact. Period.
>> >> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
>> >> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
>> >> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
>> >> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
>> >> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
>> >> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
>> >> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
>> >> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
>> >
>> > I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
>> >
>>
>> heh, and thats not taking into account things like copyright and
>> trademark. Ever wonder why spidermans costume is a different shade of
>> red in the sequal.... ;)
>>
>
> Both movies were made through Marvel Comics, the creators of
> Spiderman. Not really getting the point, I guess.
Stan Lee (I'm sure you know who he is) remarked that "liberties" were taken
adapting the comic book Spiderman to the screen. He also apparently was
upset about some creative "changes" the screenwriters of the movie made
regarding the character he created.
In the end, Lee made consessions and also got a cameo appearance in the film
(much like Alfred Hitchcock did in his movies.)
Spiderman's costume in the movie is slightly different than it appears in
the comics. Not sure if they *had* to do that or if they just did it
because. I'm guessing they weren't forced to do so.
Incidentally, you can also see Stan Lee make a cameo appearance in Daredevil
and in the original X-Men movie (since he created all of those characters.)
bobandcarole
=^.FixCat.^= wrote:
> Lamey wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:13:22 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
> > <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On 9 Jun 2006 00:26:39 -0700, "=^.FixCat.^=" <fix...@gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >>> Frozen North is also a graphics guy (as is Mara aka Buscuit).
> > >>> >>> Mara is more of a designer really and damn good at that.
> > >>> >>> I only meddle.....
> > >>>
> > >>> >> Uh, Mara most certainly IS NOT a graphic designer...maybe an AMATEUR
> > >>> >> graphic designer, but she certainly isn't playin in teh big leagues.
> > >>> >> And I don't recall any GA work from Frosty, so I don't know where yer
> > >>> >> gettin that. Further, I've never seen ANY of you postin to ADG, which
> > >>> >> if you were GAs that'd be the hang out of choice (badger lounge and
> > >>> >> all like that). As for you being a GA Magnus, can you provide some
> > >>> >> links to yer work? And set teh xpost over to ADG, cause there's peeps
> > >>> >> there that'd be interested (assuming yer any good).
> > >>>
> > >>> >None of us feel the need for global acceptance (unacceptance) of our work
> > >>> >and lives like you seem to need . . . I guess bad publicity is publicity
> > >>> >nonetheless.
> > >>>
> > >>> ADG is global acceptance? *snicker*
> > >>>
> > >>> LOL...you fuckin fruitloop. And my work carries a wide variety of
> > >>> opinions on all sides...from the completely ignorant NONpinions (ie I
> > >>> LOVE IT! or I HATE IT!) to the indepth over analysis (like the one guy
> > >>> who was bitching about the kerning of my logo being off by two
> > >>> pixels). The bottom line though...is that I HAVE works up for
> > >>> display. See there are only two kinds of people online...those who
> > >>> produce...and those who run at the fuckin mouth. *shrugs* I didn't
> > >>> make reality, I just beat you with it.
> > >
> > >>Can you think in points and picas - or just pixels - cause I have never
> > >>heard anyone talk about KERNING in regards to pixels - that would be
> > >>letterspacing (a nice invention courtesy of desk top publishing) But I
> > >>guess in the end the result is the same.
> > >
> > >...you know what's sad...the fact that you talk about points and picas
> > >like it's some mystical, next level, ultima, GOD LEVEL sekrat or
> > >something...I mean, come on Junior, my MOM knows about points and
> > >picas and she's not a graphic or a print designer.
> > >
> > >Yeesh...
> > >
> > >*froup line amended*
> > >
> > >You ADGers better watch out, Fixy here is a PRINT ARTIST (with no
> > >examples of any work he's done) and he knows about POINTS and
> > >PICAS...he's like...teh uber 1337...you best just bow the fuck down
> > >before his MIGHTY PRINTING KNOWLEDGE!!1!
> > >
> > >*snicker*
> > >
> > >Maybe next he can REALLY impress us with pica to point conversion! I
> > >bet NO ONE in ADG can do THAT! ^_^
> > >
> > Translation: I know nothing of the above topic.
>
> Just fake it :-)
fake what?
Mimic
Oh yeah, company fonts and sizing ratios are very particular, you wont
see VAIO any other shape (in gfx), the dots on this also:
http://www.themall.co.uk/graphics/logos/sonyCentre.jpg , too many, too
little, and you're infor a roasting, likewise:
http://www.theodora.com/flags/new5/red_cross.gif , made from 5 squares
exactly the same size, the colour is also trademarked.
I cant really draw too well either :P
Mimic
> In article <xICdnddVAMA...@pipex.net>, Mimic took the
> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>> magnus wrote:
>>
>>>>> The point is, in a perfect world, people are supposed to make color
>>>>> corrections on press however a Epson or MP proof is NOT going to be a 100%
>>>>> accurate reflection of what the color will look like on press. That's a
>>>>> fact. Period.
>>>> The color is gonna be close enough though, I mean if you have clients
>>>> that are nitpicking over the color difference between a proof and a
>>>> press print...well either yer clients are too nitpicky or you made
>>>> some fuckup on teh press. One good trick though is not to print yer
>>>> proofs at the absolute best quality with the absolute best
>>>> paper...that way when they see the press print they'll be a lot
>>>> happier about it. In other words don't make yer proofs better than
>>>> yer press prints, cause then they'll be disappointed every time.
>>> I'll be sure to forward that pearl of wisdom to our EPP manager..
>>>
>> heh, and thats not taking into account things like copyright and
>> trademark. Ever wonder why spidermans costume is a different shade of
>> red in the sequal.... ;)
>>
>
> Both movies were made through Marvel Comics, the creators of
> Spiderman. Not really getting the point, I guess.
>
I forget the specifics, but when SM2 was released, we (as its by
columbia/sony pictures) werent allow certain merchandise as the colour
had been changed and we didnt own the rights. Maybe the SM1 had our
colour scheme, (ref: magnus' post) and Lee bitched and had it reverted.
Dunno sorry :P
trippy
He's the hot dog vendor in X-men where Senator Kelly's walking on the
beach too.