So how are CCW laws doing in the US?
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So how are CCW laws doing in the US?
By any measure, they are resoundingly popular with the public,
politicians understand that, and the numbers are truly starting to
tell. Examples;
"... Percentage of Adults With Carry Permits in "Shall Issue" States
I am reproducing in its entirety a post by Ken Grubb which appeared
this morning on the PA-CCW mailing list. This ranks each of the "shall
issue" CCW states by the percentage of adults who have a permit to
carry a concealed firearm.
After crunching through the 2000 Census and 2003 Census estimates, the
numbers in Chris Bird's Fourth Edition "The Concealed Handgun Manual",
some official sources online which are a little more current, and
filling in a few gaps from a 1998 CCRKBA report, the winners are:
Percent of Adults with a License to Carry in each Shall Issue State
7.45% South Dakota
6.79% Indiana
6.76% Pennsylvania
5.23% Connecticut
5.12% Washington
4.34% Idaho
4.10% Utah
3.86% Oregon
3.45% Tennessee
3.15% Alabama
2.72% Florida
2.71% Kentucky
2.67% Wyoming
2.41% Maine
2.18% Arkansas
2.11% Virginia
1.94% West Virginia
1.76% Arizona
1.75% Oklahoma
1.70% Montana
1.70% Michigan
1.62% Texas
1.39% South Carolina
1.34% North Dakota
1.00% North Carolina
0.86% Mississippi
0.62% Louisiana
0.58% Nevada
0.45% Minnesota
0.36% Missouri
0.33% Ohio
0.20% Colorado
0.17% New Mexico <-- Slight correction 12/22/04, per Ken Grubb
Honorable mentions go to Georgia and New Hampshire. These are "old
wave" Shall Issue states--IOW, pre Florida. Because issuance is
scattered among many local agencies, no one in either Georgia or New
Hampshire is collecting statewide numbers on how many folks are
packing. Seems reasonable to place 'em somewhere between the two
statistical extremes among the other "old wave" states (South and North
Dakota). However, if I were a bettin' man I'd put 'em near the top, and
probably above Washington.
Total licensees among the Shall Issue states (excluding Georgia and New
Hampshire):
3,079,246
Total population living in True Right To Carry states (Alaska and
Vermont):
1,267,925 (0.44 percent)
Total population living in Shall Issue states:
185,039,207 (63.75 percent)
Total population living in May Issue states:
81,350,620 (28.03 percent)
Total population living in No Issue states:
22,588,641 (7.78 percent)
Ken Grubb
Bellevue, WA..."
http://blogostuff.blogspot.com/2004/12/percentage-of-adults-with-carry.html
"...* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals about
760,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 15
nationwide polls done by organizations including Gallup and the Los
Angeles Times. (7)
* Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used
their firearms for protection from criminals. (3)
* When citizens use guns for protection from criminals, the criminal is
wounded in about 1 out of every 100 instances, and the criminal is
killed in about 1 out of every 1000 instances. (3)
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between
1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the
U.S. rate rose 12%. (1)
RIGHT-TO-CARRY LAWS
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun
permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria
such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety
course. (13)
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws. (14)
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the
U.S. population lives in these states. (3)
* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School
published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all
3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992. (15)
* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when
states adopt right-to-carry laws?" (15)
* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr.
Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder
for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992. (7)
* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:
-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults
in these 10 states annually. (16)..."
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
CCW works. 'Loosening' gun laws in the US has been coincident with a
drop in crime.
In contrast, 'tight', harsh gun laws in Australia has been coincident
with an increase in crime.
Gun control is NOT crime control.
Outlaw guns, and only outlaws will have guns (or maybe we should say
will STILL have guns - whereas the good guys won't).
And when the predators can more easily prey on those weaker than
they?....
Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
On 7 Oct 2005 03:03:03 -0700, "AussieSeek.com MESSAGEBOARDS" <nsw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>CCW works. 'Loosening' gun laws in the US has been coincident with a
>drop in crime.
Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam - And willingly
stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all the kicking and screaming that gun
registration was a bad idea...
What a bunch of moronic sheeple they have become...
Let's see how did it play out?
The Greatest Generation, ( constitutional republic )
The Socialist Generation, ( Democratic republic )
The Drugged Generation, ( Anarchy )
The Greedy Generation, ( The collapse into Oligarchy )
and now the Moronic Idiots Generation ( AKA the Hep-C Generation)...
Hmm.. Yep - Predictably, Fascism is obviously now the official Government of choice by
the Hep-C Generation...
ll
Kanda'
<>SPAM-KILLER<>- If you really want to contact me, then -
kandaje<at>bresnan<dot>net
You figure it out...
Bert Hyman
<kan...@NOYB.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam -
> And willingly stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all the
> kicking and screaming that gun registration was a bad idea...
Do you really believe that obtaining a permit to carry is the same as
registering all your firearms?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Scout
"Kanda' Jalen Eirsie" <kan...@NOYB.net> wrote in message
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> Greetings...
>
> On 7 Oct 2005 03:03:03 -0700, "AussieSeek.com MESSAGEBOARDS"
> <nsw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>CCW works. 'Loosening' gun laws in the US has been coincident with a
>>drop in crime.
>
> Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam -
> And willingly
> stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all the kicking and
> screaming that gun
> registration was a bad idea...
I haven't registered any guns. At most I've registered that I'm a gun owner
which is already well established by some of the publications I receive,
items I purchase, etc. Tells them nothing they did not already know.
Jim Bianchi
>In news:3p0am198jpja7et78...@4ax.com Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
><kan...@NOYB.net> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam -
>> And willingly stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all the
>> kicking and screaming that gun registration was a bad idea...
>
>Do you really believe that obtaining a permit to carry is the same as
>registering all your firearms?
I had a CCW in Calif many years ago. On it I was required to give
the make/model, caliber, and serial numbers of each firearm I'd be carrying.
I could list no more than three possibilities.
"There are only 10 kinds of people in the world;
those who understand binary, and those who don't."
Bert Hyman
wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2005 19:05:49 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>In news:3p0am198jpja7et78...@4ax.com Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
>><kan...@NOYB.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam
>>> - And willingly stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all
>>> the kicking and screaming that gun registration was a bad idea...
>>
>>Do you really believe that obtaining a permit to carry is the same as
>>registering all your firearms?
>
> I had a CCW in Calif many years ago. On it I was required to give
> the make/model, caliber, and serial numbers of each firearm I'd be
> carrying. I could list no more than three possibilities.
Well, California has ->always been a little weird when it comes to guns
and gunowners and I suppose other weird places like New York might have
similar requirements, but most places, including Minnesota, don't care. I
wouldn't even need to own a gun to get a permit here.
Dad
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> and gunowners and I suppose other weird places like New York might have
> similar requirements, but most places, including Minnesota, don't care. I
> wouldn't even need to own a gun to get a permit here.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
No questions about any firearms when I got my CCW, just my name and the
usual who are you questions. I would think that they already have that when
I was born in this state, at least they are always able to find me at tax
time.
--
Dad
One more gun is just enough, maybe.
Scout
"Jim Bianchi" <ji...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> On 30 Oct 2005 19:05:49 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>In news:3p0am198jpja7et78...@4ax.com Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
>><kan...@NOYB.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately TOO many Ignorant America's have fallen for the CCW Scam -
>>> And willingly stepped up to the plate and got REGISTERED after all the
>>> kicking and screaming that gun registration was a bad idea...
>>
>>Do you really believe that obtaining a permit to carry is the same as
>>registering all your firearms?
>
> I had a CCW in Calif many years ago. On it I was required to give
> the make/model, caliber, and serial numbers of each firearm I'd be
> carrying.
> I could list no more than three possibilities.
Nice, but mine doesn't require me to provide ANY information.
Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
On 30 Oct 2005 19:05:49 GMT, Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>In news:3p0am198jpja7et78...@4ax.com Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
><kan...@NOYB.net> wrote:
>Do you really believe that obtaining a permit to carry is the same as
>registering all your firearms?
Do you think it really matters one whit of difference at all to the Gestapo if you are
on, The List of Registered Gun Owners, or The List of known Concealed Carry permit
holders???
LOL - Dream on!!!
I find it absolutely amazing how degenerately naive the thinking of most Americans has
become. How many of you have bought the Liberaleze - Hook, Line, and Sinker... How
quickly and easily you surrender your liberty to the criminals. What's worse is that you
do it out of convenience...
What part of "Shall NOT be Infringed" did you NOT understand?
You kick and scream about NOT registering the actual guns, but then line up in droves to
register yourselves by making the explicit intention of actually carrying.
In other words: When Nanny-State couldn't catch you in the act - She duped you into
making a confession of your intention...
How conveniently you "Infringed" yourselves... Not only that, but you willingly pay for
the privilege with the $100 registration TAX per year. Disgusting...
Nanny can make anything she want's illegal - What today is legal, can be made illegal
tomorrow. When the so called Law is written by the criminals, it has no intrinsic value
any longer and all that good men have left is their moral integrity to safeguard society.
Bert Hyman
news:8vrpm1tl55dmmqhp5...@4ax.com:
> What part of "Shall NOT be Infringed" did you NOT understand?
So just what, other than whining in newsgroups, are you doing about
it?
Kanda' Jalen Eirsie
On 07 Nov 2005 14:05:31 GMT, Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>kan...@NOYB.net (Kanda' Jalen Eirsie) wrote in
>news:8vrpm1tl55dmmqhp5...@4ax.com:
>
>> What part of "Shall NOT be Infringed" did you NOT understand?
>
>So just what, other than whining in newsgroups, are you doing about
>it?
Since It isn't YET time to start dragging the criminals out into the streets to be
tarred and feathered and ridden out on a rail, the limit to my response, SO FAR has been:
Recon and Intelligence:
Getting to know the enemy and how they work, collecting evidence and establishing
their motives and methods of operations.
Raising public awareness and collating allies:
Talking with other like minded individuals, law enforcement officers and officials.
Organizing the populace to fight against the criminals:
Disseminating the information, organizing gatherings to discuss actions to be taken,
etc...
So what are YOU doing?