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Bret Cahill
May 24, 2012, 9:55:45 AM5/24/12
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Barely half of Americans even bother to vote and less than 1% even
bother to read the constitution.
Why would anyone believe they would commit suicide by shooting at M1A1
tanks?
Bret Cahill
> We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant
>
> In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private
> investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the
> U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive
> civil war” in America.
>
> “Folks, we’re getting ready for one massive economic collapse,” Hagmann
> told TruNews host Rick Wiles.
>
> “We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil
> uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements,
> every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the
> militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this
> is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”
>
> Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS
> stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a
> collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to
> a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of
> the population, is armed.
>
> Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed
> Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point
> addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a
> vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the
> Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game
> participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the
> Next Global Crisis.
>
> Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a
> fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S.
> treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the
> Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive
> alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S.
> foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies
> Iran and Syria.
>
> “The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued.
> “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for
> a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland
> Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated,
> what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right
> now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a
> massive civil war in this country.”
>
> “There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research
> Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year.
>
> Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some
> time this year.
>
> Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders
> NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by
> President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a
> sitting president.
>
> And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450
> million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an
> upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.
>
> These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have
> taken place during an election year.
>
> Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS
> throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive
> orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just
> the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.
>
> He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m
> not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country.
>
> It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources.
>
> But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad
> it is.’
>
> This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security
> (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”
>
> TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in
> particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the
> Confederates?
>
> Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any
> two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency
> event centered on the nation’s currency.
>
> “What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my
> sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American
> dollar,” Hagmann said.
>
> “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s
> going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be
> worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be
> ready for this.”
>
> http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/05/04/we-are-preparing-for-massive...
bother to read the constitution.
Why would anyone believe they would commit suicide by shooting at M1A1
tanks?
Bret Cahill
> We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant
>
> In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private
> investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the
> U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive
> civil war” in America.
>
> “Folks, we’re getting ready for one massive economic collapse,” Hagmann
> told TruNews host Rick Wiles.
>
> “We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil
> uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements,
> every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the
> militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this
> is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”
>
> Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS
> stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a
> collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to
> a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of
> the population, is armed.
>
> Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed
> Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point
> addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a
> vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the
> Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game
> participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the
> Next Global Crisis.
>
> Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a
> fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S.
> treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the
> Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive
> alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S.
> foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies
> Iran and Syria.
>
> “The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued.
> “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for
> a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland
> Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated,
> what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right
> now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a
> massive civil war in this country.”
>
> “There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research
> Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year.
>
> Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some
> time this year.
>
> Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders
> NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by
> President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a
> sitting president.
>
> And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450
> million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an
> upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.
>
> These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have
> taken place during an election year.
>
> Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS
> throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive
> orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just
> the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.
>
> He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m
> not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country.
>
> It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources.
>
> But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad
> it is.’
>
> This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security
> (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”
>
> TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in
> particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the
> Confederates?
>
> Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any
> two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency
> event centered on the nation’s currency.
>
> “What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my
> sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American
> dollar,” Hagmann said.
>
> “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s
> going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be
> worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be
> ready for this.”
>
> http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/05/04/we-are-preparing-for-massive...
Bret Cahill
May 24, 2012, 10:36:44 AM5/24/12
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> Ah! The always coming, never arriving civil war. It has been announced
> since shortly after the original one, circa 1868...
>
> Wake me up when it starts, will ya'? I will be sleeping under this
> oversize sombrero.
In 1833 Tocqueville attributed all the bombastic talk to a lack of
political activism.
He said that if an American was going to be enticed from his private
affairs, then whatever he did in public life had better be glorious!
You really see this with the gun nutters who have swallowed the
pacifier - fantasy where you shoot the bad guys when you "git pushed
too far." Heck, that fantasy is so pleasant, why bother writing your
congressman, forming caucuses and engaging in other duties of a
citizen?
After all, you always have the option of shooting them evil feds.
Bret Cahill
> since shortly after the original one, circa 1868...
>
> Wake me up when it starts, will ya'? I will be sleeping under this
> oversize sombrero.
In 1833 Tocqueville attributed all the bombastic talk to a lack of
political activism.
He said that if an American was going to be enticed from his private
affairs, then whatever he did in public life had better be glorious!
You really see this with the gun nutters who have swallowed the
pacifier - fantasy where you shoot the bad guys when you "git pushed
too far." Heck, that fantasy is so pleasant, why bother writing your
congressman, forming caucuses and engaging in other duties of a
citizen?
After all, you always have the option of shooting them evil feds.
Bret Cahill
birdog
May 24, 2012, 11:23:22 AM5/24/12
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that there might be a popular uprising. The inevitable upcoming economic
crash will make the Depression of the 30's look like a cake walk. Why?
Unlike in that era, a high percentage of the citizenry are now on
government subsistence, which will cease when the gov't. is broke. Don't
think they will just sit and starve. Blood will run in the streets,
especially in the urban areas. We are getting a preview of this in
Europe today, and they are not armed as are Americans.
Don't be too smug, Cahill. Hiding your head in the sand may be more
comfortable, but if you can add 2+2 and get the right answer maybe you
can look at the national debt, the GDP vs spending, the unfunded
(welfare) mandates and come to a rational conclusion. And you might want
to study the founding fathers, who PREDICTED the collapse of the nation
- in my opinion, much sooner that it is actually going to happen.
A revolution, reminiscent of the Civil War? Not likely. Riots - killing
in the quest for food. people desperate to survive.
For the closed mind, I have wasted my time!
Marvin the Martian
May 24, 2012, 2:26:35 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 06:55:45 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:
> Barely half of Americans even bother to vote and less than 1% even
> bother to read the constitution.
>
> Why would anyone believe they would commit suicide by shooting at M1A1
> tanks?
While I agree that the US military can and does murder people with an
> Barely half of Americans even bother to vote and less than 1% even
> bother to read the constitution.
>
> Why would anyone believe they would commit suicide by shooting at M1A1
> tanks?
alarming efficiency, as our wars against insurgents have pointed out, you
have to come out of that tank SOMETIME. Someone has to fuel it, someone
has to fix it, someone has to reload it, someone has to pass fuel in and
take the fuel out.
The whole concept of tank relies on there being "lines" where you go from
enemy to friendly territory. In such a civil war, lines would be
isolated.
And you can't make people work and serve the system from inside the tank.
All you can do is kill people.
IF our military was dependent upon the local Afghan people for food and
fuel, how long do you think they'd last?
Seems the government is thinking of these things, and you have overlooked
them.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2012, 6:06:56 PM5/24/12
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the baggy pants,dreads,bling,backwards cap wearing,baton wielding NBPP
will wind up being bent over a barbed wire fence and your collective
anus's violaled with an unlubed,200,000 volt cattle prod. Knowing you
fucking sissies you'll get off to it.
Bret Cahill
May 25, 2012, 4:10:43 AM5/25/12
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> >> Ah! The always coming, never arriving civil war. It has been announced
> >> since shortly after the original one, circa 1868...
>
> >> Wake me up when it starts, will ya'? I will be sleeping under this
> >> oversize sombrero.
>
> > In 1833 Tocqueville attributed all the bombastic talk to a lack of
> > political activism.
>
> > He said that if an American was going to be enticed from his private
> > affairs, then whatever he did in public life had better be glorious!
>
> > You really see this with the gun nutters who have swallowed the
> > pacifier - fantasy where you shoot the bad guys when you "git pushed
> > too far." Heck, that fantasy is so pleasant, why bother writing your
> > congressman, forming caucuses and engaging in other duties of a
> > citizen?
>
> > After all, you always have the option of shooting them evil feds.
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> At the height of the Great Depression, the feds had a legitimate concern
> that there might be a popular uprising. The inevitable upcoming economic
> crash will make the Depression of the 30's look like a cake walk. Why?
> Unlike in that era, a high percentage of the citizenry are now on
> government subsistence, which will cease when the gov't. is broke.
There's no reason for the government to go broke. Just hike taxes on
> >> since shortly after the original one, circa 1868...
>
> >> Wake me up when it starts, will ya'? I will be sleeping under this
> >> oversize sombrero.
>
> > In 1833 Tocqueville attributed all the bombastic talk to a lack of
> > political activism.
>
> > He said that if an American was going to be enticed from his private
> > affairs, then whatever he did in public life had better be glorious!
>
> > You really see this with the gun nutters who have swallowed the
> > pacifier - fantasy where you shoot the bad guys when you "git pushed
> > too far." Heck, that fantasy is so pleasant, why bother writing your
> > congressman, forming caucuses and engaging in other duties of a
> > citizen?
>
> > After all, you always have the option of shooting them evil feds.
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> At the height of the Great Depression, the feds had a legitimate concern
> that there might be a popular uprising. The inevitable upcoming economic
> crash will make the Depression of the 30's look like a cake walk. Why?
> Unlike in that era, a high percentage of the citizenry are now on
> government subsistence, which will cease when the gov't. is broke.
the rich for another high tax economic boom. It worked for Bill
Clinton.
> Don't
> think they will just sit and starve. Blood will run in the streets,
> especially in the urban areas.
in comfort and safety laughing at the idiots who were too stupid to
vote for tax hikes on the rich?
Just admit it: You are hoping for an opportunity to shoot someone.
> We are getting a preview of this in
> Europe today, and they are not armed as are Americans.
> Don't be too smug, Cahill. Hiding your head in the sand may be more
> comfortable, but if you can add 2+2 and get the right answer maybe you
> can look at the national debt, the GDP vs spending, the unfunded
> (welfare) mandates and come to a rational conclusion.
rich need to be raised and the Fed needs to ease up on the money
supply.
> And you might want
> to study the founding fathers, who PREDICTED the collapse of the nation
> - in my opinion, much sooner that it is actually going to happen.
> A revolution, reminiscent of the Civil War? Not likely. Riots - killing
> in the quest for food. people desperate to survive.
>
> For the closed mind, I have wasted my time!
Great recession.
The only conclusion is you are insane.
Bret Cahill
JerryD(upstateNY)
May 25, 2012, 4:51:49 AM5/25/12
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"Bret Cahill" wrote in message There's no reason for the
believes everything the DNC and the MSM says.
There are 2,238,800 households in America that make over $250,000.00 per
year.
If you take EVERY DOLLAR they make over $250,000.00, not tax every dollar,
take it away from them, you will have 1.414 trillion dollars.
That will run the federal government for only 142 days, less than 5 month.
So just raising taxes on "the rich" won't do shit.
The only reason the Democrats keep saying "raise the taxes on
the rich" is they want to keep class warfare going.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/661pi6K-8WQ
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
government to go broke. Just hike taxes on the rich for
another high tax economic boom. It worked for Bill Clinton.<<<<<<<<
Another uninformed democrat voter who
another high tax economic boom. It worked for Bill Clinton.<<<<<<<<
believes everything the DNC and the MSM says.
There are 2,238,800 households in America that make over $250,000.00 per
year.
If you take EVERY DOLLAR they make over $250,000.00, not tax every dollar,
take it away from them, you will have 1.414 trillion dollars.
That will run the federal government for only 142 days, less than 5 month.
So just raising taxes on "the rich" won't do shit.
The only reason the Democrats keep saying "raise the taxes on
the rich" is they want to keep class warfare going.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/661pi6K-8WQ
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
Monosodio Glutamico
May 25, 2012, 5:01:14 AM5/25/12
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Monosodio Glutamico
May 25, 2012, 5:05:45 AM5/25/12
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pelf. Bring the mother fucking war home!
Bret Cahill
May 25, 2012, 8:22:33 AM5/25/12
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> government to go broke. Just hike taxes on the rich for
> another high tax economic boom. It worked for Bill Clinton.<<<<<<<<
>
> Another uninformed democrat voter who
> believes everything the DNC and the MSM says.
> There are 2,238,800 households in America that make over $250,000.00 per
> year.
> If you take EVERY DOLLAR they make over $250,000.00, not tax every dollar,
> take it away from them, you will have 1.414 trillion dollars.
You are undermining the GOP argument that the rich already pay most of
> another high tax economic boom. It worked for Bill Clinton.<<<<<<<<
>
> Another uninformed democrat voter who
> believes everything the DNC and the MSM says.
> There are 2,238,800 households in America that make over $250,000.00 per
> year.
> If you take EVERY DOLLAR they make over $250,000.00, not tax every dollar,
> take it away from them, you will have 1.414 trillion dollars.
the taxes even at the Warren Buffet 15% rate.
Just increase taxes on the rich from 15% to 80% like back during the
FDR economic boom which created a vibrant middle class.
Gary Forbis
May 25, 2012, 8:45:43 AM5/25/12
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and out of sight. War really is hell.
At this point we have a bit of a problem. We design the tax code to
favor the rich in more ways than just low marginal tax rate. We've
also allowed lots of special tax code. I remember the "luxory tax"
of the eighties and how it was designed to put the greatest misery
as possible on labor.
At first any tax increase on the rich would need to be offset by
government spending. Unfortunately a lot of the labor allocated
based upon the current economic situation would need to be
reallocated and this takes time.
By switching to defined contribution retirement from defined
benefit retirment many of the working poor at or near retirement
will be hurt very bad by moves to properly tax investment income.
This is by design.
birdog
May 25, 2012, 10:20:17 AM5/25/12
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birdog
May 25, 2012, 11:08:06 AM5/25/12
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On 5/25/2012 8:45 AM, Gary Forbis wrote:
>
> At this point we have a bit of a problem. We design the tax code to
> favor the rich in more ways than just low marginal tax rate. We've
> also allowed lots of special tax code. I remember the "luxory tax"
> of the eighties and how it was designed to put the greatest misery
> as possible on labor.
Jesus, what stupidity !! You even contradicted yourself. It was indeed a
>
> At this point we have a bit of a problem. We design the tax code to
> favor the rich in more ways than just low marginal tax rate. We've
> also allowed lots of special tax code. I remember the "luxory tax"
> of the eighties and how it was designed to put the greatest misery
> as possible on labor.
luxury tax to gig the rich people who buy the luxury boats.
The result: It transferred the boat building business overseas and put
the local labor force on the street. And they allow you to vote?
I know this is a waste of time, but some comments just demand answering.
Again, you just can't educate stupidity.
Gary Forbis
May 25, 2012, 11:18:24 AM5/25/12
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Don't you understand politics. Claim X do Y. The "luxory tax" was
designed in a way to claim to only affect the rich but actually to
hurt labor for complaining about the rich being under taxed.
On has to remember that the economy is configured based upon
current realities, including subsidies for the rich. Rapid changes
will displace labor. While making necessary changes one has o
go slow so the economy can adjust.
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