G&L guitars, why so many used?
Geust
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
for the money. Anyone else?
Jim Kroger
In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.980519121725.5474E-100000@bingsun2>, Geust
<be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
They are killer guitars. I'd take a good G&L over any new Strat.
Jim
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Paul Cassone
Geust wrote:
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> for the money. Anyone else?
Well, there are also a lot of strats, teles, and PRS on the market, too.
I think that the nature of playing guitars is using one for a while,
then getting a yen for something a little different. Most people sell
the first one (then again, some don't). I like most of the G&L's I've
tried. I have 3 right now, and there's only one I'd part with if I
found the right cherry red 335 (fickle).
Paul
Mark Davis
On Tue, 19 May 1998 15:01:04 -0700, Paul Cassone <gui...@idt.net>
wrote:
I agree Paul you see tons of Strats for sale and they supposed to be
the king. I have a new G&L S-500 a SRV Strat and a 50's reissue Strat.
The G&L S-500 has better tone,fit and finish is much better,the neck
plays way better with much lower action than any of my fenders and it
doesnt buzz. Alot of the G&L's you see for sale on the net are brand
new ones people know where to buy them very cheap and try and resale
them and make money. I was able to buy my G&L for 50% off list brand
new with hard shell case got it for $650. Ive seen similar ones
advertised for $750 and even as high as $850. My local dealer wanted
$850 for a Legacy and I can buy one of those new with case on the net
for $569. So what you are seeing sometimes is people buying new
guitars from places that give super deals then reselling them at a
profit.
JH
Jim Kroger wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.980519121725.5474E-100000@bingsun2>, Geust
>
> > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> > people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> > for the money. Anyone else?
>
>
> Jim
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beat any new Fender on the market.
j...@southwind.net
Cenobyte wrote:
>
> rmar...@aol.com (RMars9804) wrote:
>
> >I have owned several G&L's ASAT Special ASAT Classic and Legacy S-500The S-500
> >was great sounding and playing but way way too heavy(Boat anchor, like a 79'
> >Strat, yes lighter is better) The ASAT Special, was average didn't nail the
> >Tele sound (Have a TOKAI which is dead on) The ASAT Classic was not finished
> >well frets were so sharp I could have sliced cheese on them. By the way Don
> >Grosh makes a Guitar called the Electratone w P-90's in it. It does the
> >Tele/Les Paul Junior thing much better than any G&L ASAT (with big p./u's) and
> >it's finished so nicely, it feels like it's 40 years old as soon as you get
> >it.(They "roll" the edge of the fingerboard to "vintageize" it. G&L's are
> >average guitars, Remember Leo(May he rest in peace) set out to make mass
> >produced guitars that were cheap to build and uniform from one piece to the
> >next. I think that G&L's were the realization of his dream, very non-descript,
> >pieces with no real personality, Buy a TOKAI they are much better.!!!
>
> Gee, you are soooooo smart! I hope I can be a guitar super-luthier
> like you one day when I grow up. Wake up goofy, G&L guitars rock!!!
Yeah goofy,how cum Keef dont play um,ya goofy,goofy....
Pull your head out.The previous poster provided a very good and
intelligent explanation of the facts-I can attest to G&L's needing
fretwork pretty much invariably.Leo was a genius at production concepts
and a complete nordo as a detail marketing person,didn't play
guitar,probably hated rock music, which were where his products were
used.Country and Lawrence Welk players never gave a
Philadelphia,MS,flying filbert about vintage:these guys play Peaveys.
CBS and later the buyout people should have offered Leo a nice slice of
the company to come back instead of starting another company in
Fullerton.
j...@southwind.net
Carl Christensen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 May 1998 12:18:44 -0400, Geust <be8...@binghamton.edu>
> wrote:
> >Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> >people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> >for the money. Anyone else?
>
> that I posted 10 times! ;-)
>
> Seriously though, I have had the G&L ASAT Classic I sold for a long
> time; it outlasted any others. It's just that I found the "ideal"
> (for me) Fender '52 reissue, and the ~$300 I plunked on Barden pickups
> matches a maple-necked '52 Tele style versus the rosewood neck G&L I
> had.
>
> Don't let it scare you; in fact you can pick up a good deal on a used
> G&L. Unfortunately (for us sellers) they don't have the "name
> recognition factor" of a Fender or Gibson, so they are excellent
> values used (and pretty damn good values new I think).
They're a well made guitar,but they're unremerchantable because no name
rock players use them to speak of.Also,they're finished with some kind
of urethane plastic and the woods are heavier than the old Fenders,so
they really don't have quite the sound either.
Leo was kind of dense,in that he never really understood what made
people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
sometimes better.
RMars9804
Cenobyte
rmar...@aol.com (RMars9804) wrote:
Gee, you are soooooo smart! I hope I can be a guitar super-luthier
Joe Sayers
I don't know anything about Tokai (not that lack of all knowledge means
I can't have an opinion :)) but I have a couple of G&L guitars, so I'll
say what I think about those.
I agree completely with RMars abit the frets: the ends are sharp. They
don't seem to jut out any farther than any other guitar but somehow they
are sharp. On the bright side of that for me, the fret end sharpness has
caused me to think more about how I slide my hand up and down the neck
and I might have actually developed a better overall technique in that
regard BECAUSE of the sharpness. But no matter how I might have overcome
it, I think it is a flaw all the G&Ls I've played.
The thing about the weight has to do with the swamp ash bodies uses on
the S-500 and the Specials. I have an ASAT Special and a Legacy Special
and both are swamp ash and the ASAT is literally 1/2 the weight of the
Legacy. A carpenter friend of mine suggested that the density of ash
varies greatly and wild differences between the weight of two ash
guitars isn't out of the ordinary. For me, I am accustomed to playing an
old LP Deluxe and man after that nothing seems really heavy.
The ASAT Special has pickups that are more like a P-90 than an average
tele pickup and it has a rosewood board so it doesn't surprise me that
it doesnt do that bridge pickup tele thing the way a good tele or
esquire with a maple board will, but man the neck pickup is totally to
die for.
Calling these "average" guitars is not too far from the truth
considering how many really expensive/good and cheap/bad guitars there
are in the world. The G&Ls are like dependable cars and they get you
where you are going... for a long time. All I can say about the Tokai
guitars is that if they offered the value of a G&L they would be as
popular and since I've never even seen one, I'll pass on the advice of
someone who looks at my G&Ls and considers them "very non-descript,
pieces with no real personality".... yeah, right.
So why do people sell them? My guess is that since they are relatively
inexpensive and offer great bang for the buck guitar players buy them...
but have you ever met a guitar player that was ever totally satisfied
with what they have? I haven't. Someday I'll get me one of those
Anderson Hollow T's or a Cobra. When that day comes, I'll likely sell a
guitar or two... maybe even one of my G&Ls.
One more thing to think about, the internet prices of used G&L guitars
are generally higher than I see them going for around my town. $400-
$500 seems to be where the market is around here for Specials and
Classics. So maybe part of the wealth of G&Ls being offered is that
people who have seen the generally good opinions of G&Ls circulating on
the net are trying to capitalize. Personally, I'd have a hard time
convincing myself to buy a guitar... any guitar... sight unseen. I think
you have to put one in your hands and play it to know if it is for you
or not.
Anyway, just my nickles worth... i mean nobody actually uses pennies
anymore, right?
Joe Sayers
jsa...@swbell.net
j...@southwind.net wrote:
Cenobyte
j...@southwind.net wrote:
Gee Subgenius, you are an even bigger dolt than he was....Have you
even taken two minutes to look into the newer G&L's that have been
made over the past two years? Of course not, you are too busy being
pedantic. You talk about G&L's as if each one were identical - you are
hoplessly lost in your own self-righteousness. You need to start your
own Guitar manufactuing facility with Mr. Unhappy above.
Ron Cook
> They're a well made guitar,but they're unremerchantable because no name
> rock players use them to speak of.Also,they're finished with some kind
> of urethane plastic and the woods are heavier than the old Fenders,so
> they really don't have quite the sound either.
>
> Leo was kind of dense,in that he never really understood what made
> people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
> sometimes better.
I beg to differ on this one, so I must pitch in my two cents, for what
it's worth.
The finish on G&L's is incredibly durable (far more than a Fender). As
hard and resilient as it is, I don't see it as a detriment to the tone
wood (MHO). My Legacy is the lightest most resonant strat type
instrument I have ever owned (I have owned a number of them over a
period of twenty years). I can't imagine an old Fender being lighter
than this guitar or several other G&L's I've picked up and had the
pleasure of playing. I believe that the G&L guitars are an extension of
all the years of knowledge Leo acquired about how to make a great guitar
at a great price for the working musician. Leo served the musician,
period. Nothing dense about that!
tdevit3
J
> G & L Guitars rule! I've got an ASAT Classic and a Legacy Special, which
> beat any new Fender on the market.
Have to agree ...the Legacy Special I just got slaughters the fender '62
Reissue I've played for the last ten years.
Mark Davis
Same thing here. I got a new G&L S-500 a couple months ago and it
plays and sounds better than my SRV Strat my 50's reissue Strat and
the 1982 62 Reissue Strat I sold to a friend a few years ago.
The G&L S-500 is the best Strat type guitar I have ever owned. The
necks are awesome and so are the MFD pickups on the S-500. I can use
the tremelo bar lets say thru a whole cd 45-60 minutes of hard playing
and using the bar and afterwards I can pop on the tuner and only the
small e is is out of tune and its only out by just a tiny bit thats
after 1 hr of playing Hendrix or Robin Trower a good workout.
To anyone wondering about the G&L's try one. They might not have many
superstar players endorsing them but they are a hell of a guitar for
the $$. Id say they are the best guitar you can buy in the under $700
price range reguardless of brandname.
strat
Can't the frets be filed down a little to solve the problem?
On Fri, 22 May 1998, DOBBINS FAMILY wrote:
>
> Two points I wold like to make on the sharp frets:
>
> 1.) Seems like some told me once that it is a known problem. Something to
> do with the humidity where there made and where they were shipped to. I
> could be wrong on this.
>
> 2.) G&L's have a 10 year warranty and if your frets are that sharp send it
> back to the factory and I feel sure that they will fix the problem. They
> are extremely dedicated to making all there customers happy.
>
> Later...Richard
>
>
>
>
Paul Cassone
Ron Cook wrote:
.Stuff snipped:
> > Leo was kind of dense,in that he never really understood what made
> > people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
> > sometimes better.
>
> I beg to differ on this one, so I must pitch in my two cents, for what
> it's worth.
>
> The finish on G&L's is incredibly durable (far more than a Fender). As
> hard and resilient as it is, I don't see it as a detriment to the tone
> wood (MHO). My Legacy is the lightest most resonant strat type
> instrument I have ever owned (I have owned a number of them over a
> period of twenty years). I can't imagine an old Fender being lighter
> than this guitar or several other G&L's I've picked up and had the
> pleasure of playing. I believe that the G&L guitars are an extension of
> all the years of knowledge Leo acquired about how to make a great guitar
> at a great price for the working musician. Leo served the musician,
> period. Nothing dense about that!
I'm with you on this. The attention to detail and the feel and sound of
the G&L's is definitely better than current production Fenders, which
IMHO, isn't bad, but isn't in the same ballpark as the G&L's.
As far as the sound goes, Leo actually improved on his pickups, I think,
with the G&L's. The Legacy sizzles. The ASAT Classic out tele's my '67
tele, sound wise. The ASAT, with the wider single coils is reminiscent
of a P90 equipped guitar with a bit better high end.
And they come with a picture of Leo!
Paul
j...@southwind.net
Ron Cook wrote:
>
> > They're a well made guitar,but they're unremerchantable because no name
> > rock players use them to speak of.Also,they're finished with some kind
> > of urethane plastic and the woods are heavier than the old Fenders,so
> > they really don't have quite the sound either.
> >
> > people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
> > sometimes better.
>
> I beg to differ on this one, so I must pitch in my two cents, for what
> it's worth.
>
> The finish on G&L's is incredibly durable (far more than a Fender). As
> hard and resilient as it is, I don't see it as a detriment to the tone
> wood (MHO). My Legacy is the lightest most resonant strat type
> instrument I have ever owned (I have owned a number of them over a
> period of twenty years). I can't imagine an old Fender being lighter
> than this guitar or several other G&L's I've picked up and had the
> pleasure of playing. I believe that the G&L guitars are an extension of
> all the years of knowledge Leo acquired about how to make a great guitar
> at a great price for the working musician. Leo served the musician,
> period. Nothing dense about that!
Durable,yes.It's as durable as a bowling ball.The lacquer gets dry and
sinks into the wood and wears through honest use,that's the idea.
Anyway,if you think they sound great,I'm glad and that's the guitar for
you.But most people would rather have a Fender.If you buy a G&L,buy it
used and cheap,because otherwise you will get F'ed on resale.
j...@southwind.net
Punkerdubh wrote:
>
> In article <356378...@southwind.net>, j...@southwind.net wrote:
>
> >Ron Cook wrote:
>
> > Anyway,if you think they sound great,I'm glad and that's the guitar for
> >you.But most people would rather have a Fender.If you buy a G&L,buy it
> >used and cheap,because otherwise you will get F'ed on resale.
> Not if you plan on keeping it forever, as I do. I don't know if my ASAT
> is lighter or heavier than a current production Tele, and the unamplified
> sound probably is different. To me the raw sound of the wood and body is
> extremely fine on the ASAT - that's one of the reasons I bought it, used,
> and for what I thoght was a fair price - $450 with case.
>
> When chosing a guitar I generally start by playing them unamplified. It
> gives me a chance to evaluate the two most important aspects of an electric
> guitar - the neck and the unamplified sound. To evaluate the sound you need
> to go to a smaller, mom and pop style store - *NOT* one of those guitar
> wanker centers. I like Salem Music in Peabody Mass (free plug for a store
> that's done right by me and my friends). Anyways, if the neck doesn't feel
> good then you'll regret your purchase somewhere down the road and if the
> wood doesn't sound good then no amount of tweaking the processing, pickups,
> strings, amps, etc. will make it sound good.
This is all true,but I still think it's dopey to buy a new G&L for $900
when that same guitar goes for $300 used.I don't like new guitars
because if they are going to develop problems,it's better they do so on
the other guy.
I also assume that ANY mass produced guitar today is going to need
fretwork and tweaking.It shouldn't be so,but it is.
Finally,keep in mind that you can always take wood off but not put it
back on.I have had violinmakers thin down guitar necks successfully,but
they won't refinish them.
DOBBINS FAMILY
Creative Business Advisers
I have a G&L Broadcaster and it blows away almost any Fender I have
ever played with the exception of Danny Gatton Fender Teles and
a Telecaster I played that belonged to Roger Gilmour of Pink Floyd.
I was going to buy a tele, but the salesguy turned me onto this way
back in the 70s and said that he thought I would like it. At the time,
it cost a little more than a tele, but it blew it away in quality.
The pickups are fantastic and the action is unbelievable. I have
had many people offer to buy it from me over the years and I seen them
listed for 900 bucks used which is really high for a stock tele, in
my opinion. I don't understand why people would play thousands of bucks
for a vintage fender when they can get a G&L for much less. The new
G&L's are fine, too.
-- Mike
Punkerdubh
>Ron Cook wrote:
> Anyway,if you think they sound great,I'm glad and that's the guitar for
>you.But most people would rather have a Fender.If you buy a G&L,buy it
>used and cheap,because otherwise you will get F'ed on resale.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not if you plan on keeping it forever, as I do. I don't know if my ASAT
is lighter or heavier than a current production Tele, and the unamplified
sound probably is different. To me the raw sound of the wood and body is
extremely fine on the ASAT - that's one of the reasons I bought it, used,
and for what I thoght was a fair price - $450 with case.
When chosing a guitar I generally start by playing them unamplified. It
gives me a chance to evaluate the two most important aspects of an electric
guitar - the neck and the unamplified sound. To evaluate the sound you need
to go to a smaller, mom and pop style store - *NOT* one of those guitar
wanker centers. I like Salem Music in Peabody Mass (free plug for a store
that's done right by me and my friends). Anyways, if the neck doesn't feel
good then you'll regret your purchase somewhere down the road and if the
wood doesn't sound good then no amount of tweaking the processing, pickups,
strings, amps, etc. will make it sound good.
My $0.02 - but you can have it for free,
- Punkerdubh
P.S. Why is this discussion going on in A.G.A?
Charlie Metcalf
I was on a break during my gig last Saturday night when a fellow came
up to the stage and asked what model Fender I was playing. I
explained it was a G&L Legacy, not a Fender. He told me which model
Stratocaster he had. I told him I have two strats and a Les paul but
on gig night the G&L is the one that does the job.
It's the last guitar I'd sell.
Charlie
Geust <be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>
>Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
>people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
>for the money. Anyone else?
>
************************
* Charlie Metcalf *
************************
Dick Thaxter
j...@southwind.net wrote:
> when that same guitar goes for $300 used.I don't like new guitars
> because if they are going to develop problems,it's better they do so on
> the other guy.
$900 new and $300 used for G&L's is nowhere near accurate. You can get
new G&L's for $600-800 and used ones are generally in the $500-700
range. At least during the last few months when I've been shopping for
both new and used and looking at every price both on the Internet and in
local stores (Washington, DC).
In other words, new G&L's cost about what an American Standard Fender
does -- say $650. Recent used G&L's also go for about what a recent
Amer Standard Fender does, say $500. In fact, I found lots of 1990's
Amer Standard teles for under $500 and very few ASAT Classics for less
than $550. When I found that a new one was about $650, I didn't
hesitate--although I did get a pricer semi-hollow model. Resale value
won't be part of the equation anyway because it ain't getting resold
unless it's part of my estate; even then they'll have to pry it from my
cold, dead hands!
Dick Thaxter
Brad W Traweek
In article <3565CC...@loc.gov>, Dick Thaxter <rt...@loc.gov> wrote:
>j...@southwind.net wrote:
>>
>> This is all true,but I still think it's dopey to buy a new G&L for $900
>> when that same guitar goes for $300 used.I don't like new guitars
>> because if they are going to develop problems,it's better they do so on
>> the other guy.
>
>$900 new and $300 used for G&L's is nowhere near accurate. You can get
>new G&L's for $600-800 and used ones are generally in the $500-700
>range. At least during the last few months when I've been shopping for
>both new and used and looking at every price both on the Internet and in
>local stores (Washington, DC).
Yeah, I was gonna say.... if this guy is aware of a place where we can
get G&L's used for $300, I sure hope he'll let us know!! ;-) $300 is
an exceptionally low price for a used G&L - even used G&L student
models are generally priced higher than that.
Contrary to what non-G&L folks on this newsgroup seem to believe, my
experience has been that G&L's hold their value quite well; the secret
to this, of course, is in finding good deals on them _new_. Clever
web-surfers (and visitors to our G&L tribute site, URL given below)
should by now already be aware of the very best places on Earth to
buy new G&L's at rock-bottom prices...
Maybe some of you folks will consider migrating this conversation over
to the G&L Discussion Page (accessible from the Tribute Page) - we
could use a bit of heated debate! ;-)
-Brad W. Traweek
tra...@guitarsbyleo.com
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Wämp
I get this feeling about Leo too. I think he hit on something naturally and
never quite realized what he did. Peace Chris
j...@southwind.net wrote:
> Carl Christensen wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 May 1998 12:18:44 -0400, Geust <be8...@binghamton.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> > >people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> > >for the money. Anyone else?
> >
> > They are great guitars. You may have just seen my ad for one guitar
> > that I posted 10 times! ;-)
> >
> > Seriously though, I have had the G&L ASAT Classic I sold for a long
> > time; it outlasted any others. It's just that I found the "ideal"
> > (for me) Fender '52 reissue, and the ~$300 I plunked on Barden pickups
> > matches a maple-necked '52 Tele style versus the rosewood neck G&L I
> > had.
> >
> > Don't let it scare you; in fact you can pick up a good deal on a used
> > G&L. Unfortunately (for us sellers) they don't have the "name
> > recognition factor" of a Fender or Gibson, so they are excellent
> > values used (and pretty damn good values new I think).
>
Wämp
They are very different from specimen to specimen, not unlike old Fenders.
Peace Chris
j...@southwind.net wrote:
> Ron Cook wrote:
> >
> > > They're a well made guitar,but they're unremerchantable because no name
> > > rock players use them to speak of.Also,they're finished with some kind
> > > of urethane plastic and the woods are heavier than the old Fenders,so
> > > they really don't have quite the sound either.
> > >
> > > Leo was kind of dense,in that he never really understood what made
> > > people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
> > > sometimes better.
> >
> > I beg to differ on this one, so I must pitch in my two cents, for what
> > it's worth.
> >
> > The finish on G&L's is incredibly durable (far more than a Fender). As
> > hard and resilient as it is, I don't see it as a detriment to the tone
> > wood (MHO). My Legacy is the lightest most resonant strat type
> > instrument I have ever owned (I have owned a number of them over a
> > period of twenty years). I can't imagine an old Fender being lighter
> > than this guitar or several other G&L's I've picked up and had the
> > pleasure of playing. I believe that the G&L guitars are an extension of
> > all the years of knowledge Leo acquired about how to make a great guitar
> > at a great price for the working musician. Leo served the musician,
> > period. Nothing dense about that!
>
> Durable,yes.It's as durable as a bowling ball.The lacquer gets dry and
> sinks into the wood and wears through honest use,that's the idea.
>
Wämp
Amen. Peace Chris
Punkerdubh wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Not if you plan on keeping it forever, as I do. I don't know if my ASAT
> is lighter or heavier than a current production Tele, and the unamplified
> sound probably is different. To me the raw sound of the wood and body is
> extremely fine on the ASAT - that's one of the reasons I bought it, used,
> and for what I thoght was a fair price - $450 with case.
>
> When chosing a guitar I generally start by playing them unamplified. It
> gives me a chance to evaluate the two most important aspects of an electric
> guitar - the neck and the unamplified sound. To evaluate the sound you need
> to go to a smaller, mom and pop style store - *NOT* one of those guitar
> wanker centers. I like Salem Music in Peabody Mass (free plug for a store
> that's done right by me and my friends). Anyways, if the neck doesn't feel
> good then you'll regret your purchase somewhere down the road and if the
> wood doesn't sound good then no amount of tweaking the processing, pickups,
> strings, amps, etc. will make it sound good.
>
Mark Davis
On 22 May 1998 11:20:16 GMT, hea...@mtolympus.ari.net (Creative
Business Advisers) wrote:
How could a salesman have turned you on to G&L's back in the 70's as
you say when they werent even made till the early 80's? Might as well
expound on the bullshit story that you played Gilmour's Tele also
cause you my friend are so full of poop its not even funny. If your
gonna bullshit at least get your facts straight!
pfris...@mindspring.com
In article <6k4udf$b...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
shaig...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> Here's my take on G&L: First off I am a dealer, and I have also sold Fender in the past. I just spoke to the national sales manager and have some interesting information that might be of interest. Please consider the source when evaluating this opinion.
1. The average Fender Strat takes four hours to make from start to finish, a
G&L takes approx. 8.5 hrs.
2. All the necks and neck pockets are done by hand as well as all bodies
being cut by using a jig instead of a CNC type machine.
3 G&L's are made to order(usually about 8 week delivery time) this gives you
alot of options. (ie neck dimensions, 30 colors, no charge for lefty's, pick
guard options etc.) These are custom guitars. P.S. they also have laquer
options including matte.
4. The detail work is really a good deal better than you can find on a Fender
including some of the Custom shop stuff.
5. The weight thing is actually a variable you will find if you pick up
enough examples of any guitar. Any time a clear finish is needed G&L uses an
Ash body which can get quite heavy. (check out Fender's clear finish Strat or
THE Strat, heavy!)
6. The pickups are the toughest thing. The S-500's sound kind of dark and
like Texas Specials handle distortion a little bit better. I love the ASAT
pickups, like a big bad Tele, more bottom more top. The Legacy pickups are
Alnico pickups similar in design to standard Fenders, IMHO they are still a
little Darker.
7. Generally the retail price on G&L's are a little bit more Than an
equivalent Fender. Considering the extra time and energy put into them I
think they are a real bargain. The resale value is not quite as good as
Fender, but $300 for a Legacy is way off base. I honestly would prefer to
sell Fender because it is much easier to sell. Some people would turn away a
guitar made by GOD himself in favor of a Strat. I call this having your
Fender blinders on, all you can see is STRAT STRAT STRAT. I'm not saying
strat's are bad guitars I just get a little annoyed with people who buy based
on brand name only, it is so limiting. Oh well..........there's my $.02, hope
some one find's it interesting.
pfrischmann
>
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>How could a salesman have turned you on to G&L's back in the 70's as
>you say when they werent even made till the early 80's? Might as well
is BC00518. Purchased at Roll's Music in Falls Church, Va. There is
a gold sticker under the serial no. that says:
G&L Musical Products Co.
All products are designed and
manufactured by Leo Fender
Pat 4002994 4046050 and others
No. 256804 431950 3678795
What do you want? Should I send you a picture of it? The original
sales receipt? A recording of it on tape? Why the hell would I
make up owning a guitar?
>expound on the bullshit story that you played Gilmour's Tele also
What is so amazing about playing one of probably hundreds of guitars
that someone famous owned? I heard that he played it a few gigs and
it got auctioned off. It has its autograph with a clear pickguard.
I guess according to your theory, it is a fraud and someone was
playing a joke on my friend.
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In article <3563468...@24.2.8.71>, Cenobyte <Luc...@devil.com> wrote:
>j...@southwind.net wrote:
>
>>> >well frets were so sharp I could have sliced cheese on them. By the way Don
>pedantic. You talk about G&L's as if each one were identical - you are
>hoplessly lost in your own self-righteousness. You need to start your
>own Guitar manufactuing facility with Mr. Unhappy above.
All "production-type" guitars have quality control problems sometimes.
Once I was in a music store helping someone buy a guitar and half
the Gibsons he tried had sharp frets. In contrast, the G&L had
much better frets. I am sure the reverse is true sometimes. I agree
that you have to play more than one guitar of a particular type to
get the best one.
Stephane Boucher
pfris...@mindspring.com writes:
> 3 G&L's are made to order(usually about 8 week delivery time) this gives you
Actually, it is now about 12weeks. Still much faster than the Fender
custom shop.
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On Sat, 23 May 1998 04:44:44 GMT, pfris...@mindspring.com wrote:
>In article <6k4udf$b...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> shaig...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>
>> Here's my take on G&L: First off I am a dealer, and I have also sold Fender in the past. I just spoke to the national sales manager and have some interesting information that might be of interest. Please consider the source when evaluating this opinion.
>
>1. The average Fender Strat takes four hours to make from start to finish, a
>G&L takes approx. 8.5 hrs.
>
>2. All the necks and neck pockets are done by hand as well as all bodies
>being cut by using a jig instead of a CNC type machine.
>
>3 G&L's are made to order(usually about 8 week delivery time) this gives you
Excellent post finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
I love my new S-500 it blows away my SRV Strat and 50's reissue Strat.
The G&L's also stay in tune. The S-500 having the locking tuners helps
cause I can use my vibrato bar for over an hour and just have to maybe
tune the small e just a touch. Im very happy with mine. Its funny if
you shop around a little you can buy a new G&L S-500 with hardshell
case for $650-$700 and thats a hell of a deal on a new handmade
instrument.
Rich
>I was on a break during my gig last Saturday night when a fellow came
>up to the stage and asked what model Fender I was playing. I
>explained it was a G&L Legacy, not a Fender. He told me which model
>Stratocaster he had. I told him I have two strats and a Les paul but
>on gig night the G&L is the one that does the job.
That pretty much says it. Though I'm a fender freak, I've played some
ASATs that were VERY nice. Great tone.
>
>It's the last guitar I'd sell.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>Geust <be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
>>people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
>>for the money. Anyone else?
>>
>
>
>
Alan Thompson
You're on to something here, when I check out a new guitar I put my ear to the
back of the body and listen to sound unamplified, it looks weird, but I know if
it's got that natural resonance it can sound great with the right pickups. This
habit started when I had a '63 Strat and was living with my grandparents. At
night I would sit in my room with my ear stuck to the guitar, marveling at the
beautiful sound I heard. I always wished I could amplify that acoustic sound,
and I think that's what inspired Frank Zappa to imbed Barcus-Berry's in the back
of the neck of his Strat, he got that sound I heard on some of his instrumental
stuff. Ever try that with a '70's Strat?...plitt, plitt, plitt......heavy as
hell and no resonance, that's when I knew Fender had lost the magic.
A.T.
DOBBINS FAMILY
Here is all that should be said about The G&L/Fender debate. The folks that
make G&L's care about the product that they make and the happiness of there
customers. Fender could care less they just want your money. Case in
point. I remember awhile back lots of folks commented on the vibrato cover
on the back of G&L's. The strings did not come out when you were
restringing because there was an individual slot for each string. I swear
it wasn't but a couple of months later that they had changed the cover and
it had one large hole. Problem solved. The people at G&L care about there
customers and it shows.
Peace Out.........Richard
Wang Chung from the Land of the Rising Sun
Paul Cassone wrote in message <35651C...@idt.net>...
>Ron Cook wrote:
>.Stuff snipped:
>
>> > Leo was kind of dense,in that he never really understood what made
>> > people want his old guitars.He couldn't understand that worse is
>> > sometimes better.
>>
>> I beg to differ on this one, so I must pitch in my two cents, for what
>> it's worth.
>>
>> The finish on G&L's is incredibly durable (far more than a Fender). As
>> hard and resilient as it is, I don't see it as a detriment to the tone
>> wood (MHO). My Legacy is the lightest most resonant strat type
>> instrument I have ever owned (I have owned a number of them over a
>> period of twenty years). I can't imagine an old Fender being lighter
>> than this guitar or several other G&L's I've picked up and had the
>> pleasure of playing. I believe that the G&L guitars are an extension of
>> all the years of knowledge Leo acquired about how to make a great guitar
>> at a great price for the working musician. Leo served the musician,
>> period. Nothing dense about that!
>
d...@b4u.di
In article <6k8q0j$t...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Alan Thompson
<Zomb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> You're on to something here, when I check out a new guitar I put my ear to the
> back of the body and listen to sound unamplified, it looks weird, but I
know if
> it's got that natural resonance it can sound great with the right pickups.
Robin Trower makes the same point on his instructional tape. I've found it
to be true as well. Touch the upper horn of the Strat to your front teeth
(taking care not to *dent* or *bite* it), play it, and listen. If you've
never done this, you may be surprised at what you can hear. BTW, try this
if you can't hear yourself well enough to tune up in a club. Bone
conduction will *always* get through ambient noise. Same with touching a
tuning fork to your teeth or to the mastoid bone behind the ear.
Mike
William R Rodrick
j...@southwind.net wrote:
: This is all true,but I still think it's dopey to buy a new G&L for $900
: when that same guitar goes for $300 used.I don't like new guitars
: because if they are going to develop problems,it's better they do so on
: the other guy.
Well, not only are those prices inaccurate, but this ignores a significant
fact: a G&L, in contrast to a (non-Custom Shop) Fender, can be well worth
buying new because you can actually custom-order a lot of options, at no
or little extra cost. If you order a G&L, you can ask that the body not weigh
more than a certain amount. You can specify the dimensions and profile of
the neck, the type of finish, birdseye maple, etc. Of course, if you find a
used G&L which suits you, it's usually a great bargain.
Bill R.
Polfus
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: G&L guitars, why so many used?
>From: d...@b4u.di
>Date: Tue, May 26, 1998 07:10 EDT
>Message-id: <di-260598...@informe.vip.best.com>
>
>In article <6k8q0j$t...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Alan Thompson
><Zomb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> You're on to something here, when I check out a new guitar I put my ear to
>the
>> back of the body and listen to sound unamplified, it looks weird, but I
>know if
>> it's got that natural resonance it can sound great with the right pickups.
>
>Robin Trower makes the same point on his instructional tape. I've found it
>to be true as well. Touch the upper horn of the Strat to your front teeth
>(taking care not to *dent* or *bite* it), play it, and listen.
Did Robin Trower put his ear or his toofies to the guitar?
Thanks,
Polfus
Polfus
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: G&L guitars, why so many used?
>
>
>> You're on to something here, when I check out a new guitar I put my ear to
>the
>> back of the body and listen to sound unamplified, it looks weird, but I
>know if
>> it's got that natural resonance it can sound great with the right pickups.
Mr. Thompson,
You are right on the money...and doing something that is proper. I have done
this for decades, and it is a great indicator of the possible resonance of an
instrument.
Take care,
Polfus
Mark Davis
Yep Bill you are right. You can sorta have your own custom shop with
G&L and make a guitar exactly like you want it. The delivery time has
gone up from 6 weeks to 12 weeks now on custom orders but thats way
less than the usual 1 yr wait for the Fender Custom Shop.
I just got a G&L S-500 new and its awesome. Great fit and finish and
those MFD pickups cant be beat!
peatea
In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.980519121725.5474E-100000@bingsun2>, Geust
<be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> for the money. Anyone else?
G&L is the closest thing to CBS & Pre-CBS stratocasters at half the price.
Some of the Fender Custom Shop re-issues are nice but they are not the real
thing. A nice 50's to 72 strat costs an arm & a leg...maybe more.
PT
Brian Rost
>
> > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> > people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> > for the money. Anyone else?
>
Take any instrument that becomes the "cool" thing to own, wait two to
four years and you start seeing them being sold used. Why? Because
players get tired of them and want something different.
Some gear goes through cycles of unpopularity. By the elevated prices
for old StingRay basses today, it might surprise folks to know that ten
to fifteen years ago they were all over the place for $400 with few
takers. Along comes Flea and whammo, they are in demand again.
As far as "why so many" one might ask that about Gibsons and Fenders,
too, eh?
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peatea wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.980519121725.5474E-100000@bingsun2>, Geust
> <be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>
> > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> > people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> > for the money. Anyone else?
>
> G&L is the closest thing to CBS & Pre-CBS stratocasters at half the price.
Much less than half. A real Pre CBS is over $5,000!!!
> Some of the Fender Custom Shop re-issues are nice but they are not the real
What makes G&L "the real thing"???? The Legacy for example came out 6 years
after Leo passed away, and what is so real in George Fullertone???G&L are
great guitars, but their marketing is full of bullshit and lies.
I still prefer "Guitars by Leo" over George and Leo"...
> thing. A nice 50's to 72 strat costs an arm & a leg...maybe more.
65-72 is not a pre CBS!!!
Oded
Brad W Traweek
In article <3589add6....@news.primary.net>,
evil twin® <ha...@primary.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:04:32 -0700, Oded Gottesman
><od...@kane.ece.ucsb.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>What makes G&L "the real thing"???? The Legacy for example came out 6 years
>>after Leo passed away,
>
>was selling the Legacy before '97... like '92 maybe?
Yes, '92. Also some speculation that it may have been at least
partially inspired by a design that Leo had been working on....
-Brad
Oded Gottesman
Sean Hart wrote:
Oded Gottesman wrote:
> In any case Leo passed away before its production and it is not the "real
> thing"...!!!
Uhhh... Except that it was his last design, and it was strongly based on his
second design.... yes. I've got an S-500 with his signature on it that differs
from the Legacy only in the pickups and tuners. Is it the 'real thing'?
** I guess it's not...
Personally, I think G&L are great guitars, but the vintage Fender ("the real
thing") are
better.
But, G&L's advertising are full of lies. Leo actually got rid of George
Fullerton at some
point around 1985 and named the company "Guitars by Leo". Leo's second wife
Phillis
is George's wife's friend, and in spite of their claim to preserve Leo's spirit
and to do
only things that they think "he would wish they would do", they're trying to
re-write the
history as "back to 'George and Leo", (perhaps because "George is still alive
and his
name may produce us some more money"). John Maclaren also lied in saying that
Fullerton is named for one of George's ancestors, which is another lie, but who
cares?
Anyhow, I think G&L are great guitars, but I like the vintage Fender sound more.
All the best
Oded
> peatea wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.980519121725.5474E-100000@bingsun2>, Geust
> > <be8...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed but I've seen a lot of
> > > people selling their G&L's. I thought they were terrific guitars
> > > for the money. Anyone else?
> >
> > G&L is the closest thing to CBS & Pre-CBS stratocasters at half the price.
>
> Much less than half. A real Pre CBS is over $5,000!!!
>
> > Some of the Fender Custom Shop re-issues are nice but they are not the real
>
> What makes G&L "the real thing"???? The Legacy for example came out 6 years
> after Leo passed away, and what is so real in George Fullertone???G&L are
> great guitars, but their marketing is full of bullshit and lies.
> I still prefer "Guitars by Leo" over George and Leo"...
>
> > thing. A nice 50's to 72 strat costs an arm & a leg...maybe more.
>
> 65-72 is not a pre CBS!!!
>
> Oded
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