Fender Mustang III AMP
Peter Pan
4x10 amp love them both. I recently went amp shopping at Guitar
Center and came across the Mustang Modeling amp. After having a Line 6
pod and not beliving in the hype..I actually played and really liked
the Mustang. Like it so much I bought it. I have to admit its a
really nice amp even though its SS.
Sac Dave
I bought a used Spider when they came out, after about a month I was
over it. They can send a man to Moon but they still can’t make a
transistor sound like a tube.
notbob
I can relate. I jes bought the Mustang I, the 20W version. It's a
hoot!
I'm one of those freaks that thinks that the world doesn't begin and
end with a tube/valve amp. I've owned both, tube and SS, and I jes
wanna have fun. I find it hilarious that tube zealots plug in a wall,
both horz and vert, of digital effects, then turn around and belittle
SS amp owners, putting them right down there with used car salesmen
and child molesting priests. Puh-leez!!
If I'm sufficiently happy with my M1, I might jes get the M3. I miss
my old 100W MB MkII/B/C that could make yer eyes bleed at 50 yds. No
reason why one can't have great pin-you-against-the-wall sound in a
1x12 pkg. ;)
nb
Sac Dave
both horz and vert, of digital effects, then turn around and belittle
SS amp owners, putting them right down there with used car salesmen
and child molesting priests. Puh-leez!! "
If you disagree something explaining why is better than inserting some
dumb ass statement.
notbob
> If you disagree something explaining why is better than inserting some
> dumb ass statement.
Failed 3rd grade English, right?
nb
Jack Pagel
Are you able to record music from the Mustang? I thought about buying
one if I could use it to digitally save songs, riffs, etc.
jtees4
The online "raves" for these amps is overwhelming. Many from people
who never thought an ss or modelling amp is worth a crap. I believe
about 90% of this change in attitude is because it says Fender on it.
Having said that, I have had and have ss amps that I personally think
are great...I am not a tube snob though I have been in the past.
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Flas...@live.com
>I find it hilarious that tube zealots plug in a wall,
>both horz and vert, of digital effects, then turn around and belittle
>SS amp owners, putting them right down there with used car salesmen
>and child molesting priests. Puh-leez!!
Blackfinger ElectroHarmonix here with two 12ax7s into tubed amps.
Hell'va signal for adding or just clean at the gain stage. The SS
Boss EQ before that doesn't count except for whipping those initial
whore-tones into shape, right? (Volume pod at 8 or 9 and tone wide
open for both separately mini-switched, single/double in the mid
mini-rail and neck humbucker, all on a 5-way, with a single coil in
the tail).
Les Cargill
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Pan
> <exa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm and old tube amp guy.. I have a 1963 Bassman and a Deville
>> 4x10 amp love them both. I recently went amp shopping at Guitar
>> Center and came across the Mustang Modeling amp. After having a Line 6
>> pod and not beliving in the hype..I actually played and really liked
>> the Mustang. Like it so much I bought it. I have to admit its a
>> really nice amp even though its SS.
>
> The online "raves" for these amps is overwhelming. Many from people
> who never thought an ss or modelling amp is worth a crap. I believe
> about 90% of this change in attitude is because it says Fender on it.
That well could be, but Fender's been better at both SS and modelling
than the others.
> Having said that, I have had and have ss amps that I personally think
> are great...I am not a tube snob though I have been in the past.
> ********
> http://soundcloud.com/jtees4
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
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Les Cargill
Peter Pan
You can connect the amp to the computer via USB port. you can also set
up the different banks on the computer tones ect via USB. The amp
does come with software for recording.. I havnt tried it.. I have
protools.
Twibil
Uh, he *did* explain why.
And then you edited it out in your reply.
Lost in the Wasteland
> 4x10 amp love them both. I recently went amp shopping at Guitar
> Center
This is why I avoid GC and such .. those $200 BIN offers
are just to tempting to avoid.
Jim
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Pan
> <exa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm and old tube amp guy.. I have a 1963 Bassman and a Deville
>> 4x10 amp love them both. I recently went amp shopping at Guitar
>> Center and came across the Mustang Modeling amp. After having a Line 6
>> pod and not beliving in the hype..I actually played and really liked
>> the Mustang. Like it so much I bought it. I have to admit its a
>> really nice amp even though its SS.
>
> The online "raves" for these amps is overwhelming. Many from people
> who never thought an ss or modelling amp is worth a crap. I believe
> about 90% of this change in attitude is because it says Fender on it.
Remember the CyberTurd? (CyberTwin)
It's not unusual for new products to get glowing reviews by purchasers.
It happened with the Pod, V-amp, Johnson J station, etc.
I can't comment on the new Mustang line, because I haven't played one.
But the normal path for most modeling gear is: fantastic claims by
manufacturer, glowing write-up in guitar periodical, raves by new
purchasers, followed by many craigslist ads at big discounts w/i about a
year or so.
My caution on an amp that has internal modeling: You are locked into
the current technology. I don't like the idea of having to buy a new
amp when modeling technology advances.
> Having said that, I have had and have ss amps that I personally think
> are great...I am not a tube snob though I have been in the past.
The "snob" label doesn't makes sense to me. IT IS ALL OPINION. If my
ears tell me that I'm better of going straight to one of my tube amps,
SOMEBODY is going to call me a "tube snob." But isn't THAT just their
opinion? So are they an "opinion snob?"
There's room for MANY opinions. That's why we have MANY amps to choose
from. And that's what makes it fun!
To the OP: I'm not trying to slam your amp. TONE (what you hear when
you move your fingers) is really what matters. Different guys find it
different ways.
Jim
Maybe Dave had an issue with the use of the term "tube zealots" and
equating them with "used car salesmen and child molesting priests."
If that's Dave's point, +1!
Besides, where's the post that "belittled SS amp owners" in the first
place? Or was it a knee-jerk reaction based on some anticipated attack?
Tone is where YOU find it. I appreciate all the options. I use what my
ears say works best for me.
Flas...@live.com
>> about 90% of this change in attitude is because it says Fender on it.
>
>Remember the CyberTurd? (CyberTwin)
What's their latest ... that little 12ax7 into 15w or less single
power out tube setup with twelve or so fender models off a rotary
switch. Two with a $100 split. Seems a lot of them are Fender's
perception reverb plays in the model, so the reverb is hardwired into
the modeling program. Best like lots of reverb, IOW. Low pwr tubed
boutiques are it, lots of model offerings in 5-20w-ish. That
Cybertwin on a larger stage -should- blow them away - basically a
tighter-than-hell Ultimate 120W Chorus on steroids. Problem is, I
guess, is its 12ax7s. Seen repair guys saying they come back into
them with it's 12AX7 preamp board fried. Drop the panel beneath the
tube mounting plate and do a PC fan trick maybe. Think it was Buddy
Guy that endorsed the Cybertwin when it came out. Heard it was
already "dialed-in" by Fender people, just got up and played some sets
for them, anyway. Good show ... I'll hazard there's some truth to the
saying accomplished players can make sounds off most anything where
mere mortals fear to tread. He likes to play that white strat with
black polkadots like an icepick, anyway.
Les Cargill
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:39:25 -0700, Jim<inse@ttle> wrote:
>>> about 90% of this change in attitude is because it says Fender on it.
>>
>> Remember the CyberTurd? (CyberTwin)
>
> What's their latest ... that little 12ax7 into 15w or less single
> power out tube setup with twelve or so fender models off a rotary
> switch.
There's the SuperChamp XD ( 2x 6V6 for 15W ) and the VibroChamp
( 1x6v6 for 5W ).
I've got one - a SCXD . It's a neat little amp. Not all the models are
Fender models. It's not quite a Deluxe, but it ain't $800 either - and
this solves the "Fender overdrive" problem handily.
It's small, at a good price point and it drives a cab well. I
could *not* pull the trigger on a comparable Line6. I'm quite happy
with it. Good gig amp - it's nice to be able to switch between models in
bewteen songs.
>Two with a $100 split.
I don't know what you mean there. Ah, $299 or $199? Yeah.
> Seems a lot of them are Fender's
> perception reverb plays in the model, so the reverb is hardwired into
> the modeling program.
Makes sense. And it's a perfectly useable reverb. Don't get me wrong,
it's not a Super or Deluxe, but it's close enough.
> Best like lots of reverb, IOW.
It has a return control... there are three or five reverb models -
a spring, a room, a hall, some others. Digital reverb is a no-brainer.
> Low pwr tubed
> boutiques are it, lots of model offerings in 5-20w-ish. That
> Cybertwin on a larger stage -should- blow them away - basically a
> tighter-than-hell Ultimate 120W Chorus on steroids.
I wanted to like that amp. Meh.
> Problem is, I
> guess, is its 12ax7s. Seen repair guys saying they come back into
> them with it's 12AX7 preamp board fried. Drop the panel beneath the
> tube mounting plate and do a PC fan trick maybe. Think it was Buddy
> Guy that endorsed the Cybertwin when it came out. Heard it was
> already "dialed-in" by Fender people, just got up and played some sets
> for them, anyway. Good show ... I'll hazard there's some truth to the
> saying accomplished players can make sounds off most anything where
> mere mortals fear to tread. He likes to play that white strat with
> black polkadots like an icepick, anyway.
Lotta icepick in a Cyber-Twin.
--
Les Cargill
Flasherly
>
> There's the SuperChamp XD ( 2x 6V6 for 15W ) and the VibroChamp
> ( 1x6v6 for 5W ).
>
> I've got one - a SCXD . It's a neat little amp. Not all the models are
> Fender models. It's not quite a Deluxe, but it ain't $800 either - and
> this solves the "Fender overdrive" problem handily.
>
> It's small, at a good price point and it drives a cab well. I
> could *not* pull the trigger on a comparable Line6. I'm quite happy
> with it. Good gig amp - it's nice to be able to switch between models in
> bewteen songs.
Not long ago, that's what I was also seriously mulling over at first,
Fender's (some regard semi-pro) low-watt home/studio offerings for
runner-uppers -- listened to lots of utube demos -- until stumbling
over a Peavey Winsdor head, which seemed to get bigger and bigger.
Normally $300 and shipping, I called for "bites" and the guy picked up
right away: "Sure do -- got just what you want. Louder than hell and
the guy returned it right away in mint condition;- $100 off or $239
(ahh, ummm...well), no wait I'll make that $219 shipped (....ohhh-
kay!)." 120W with four of the hi-powered versions of the 6L6s, and
little, very, if any room for much ice-pickins (have a 100W ValveKing
and 40W BassMan clone that'll do the tube "shimmers/ bell-tones" in
cleans more convincingly than either an Ultimate Chorus or
CyberTwin). The 40W Pignose/Bassman was unusual for its time -- early
among mini-boutiques for a good tube sound (though does tend when
pushed to have a noise floor unless reworked) -- light as a couple
stacked size 12 shoes in boxes.
notbob
> Besides, where's the post that "belittled SS amp owners" in the first
> place?
Who says I need one?
> Or was it a knee-jerk reaction based on some anticipated attack?
Can anyone reply to a post they disagree without using "knee-jerk"?
> Tone is where YOU find it.
Now we agree on something! ;)
> I appreciate all the options. I use what my ears say works best for
> me.
Bingo! I just found the basic British Invasion preset on my Mustang 1 almost perfectly
approximates the tone on Savoy Brown's I'm Tired. Wasn't looking for
it, just stumbled on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYCH3Ias__g
nb
Jim
> On 2011-08-16, Jim<inse@ttle> wrote:
>
>> Besides, where's the post that "belittled SS amp owners" in the first
>> place?
>
> Who says I need one?
>
>> Or was it a knee-jerk reaction based on some anticipated attack?
>
> Can anyone reply to a post they disagree without using "knee-jerk"?
C'mon NB, I didn't use the term "knee-jerk" because I was "disagreeing"
with you! I was pointing out the knee-jerk context of your comments.
After all, you jumped the gun, and made an extreme comment.
Nobody said anything belittling to solid state owners, right? I know I
didn't. I own a vintage solid state Polytone. I own some digital
effects and have owned hybrid amps and other solid state in the past.
So, before anybody "disses" solid state, you chose to equate somebody
that might disagree with a "child molesting priest," speculating that
he'd have digital effects in his signal chain (an oxymoron, because tube
zealots usually avoid that sort of stuff).
I was pointing out that you jumped the gun, you made an extreme comment.
That's what I call knee-jerk.
Not a big deal. We're just guys talking about gear in a NG. But it was
knee-jerk. And in the context of other comments that followed, I
couldn't help but wonder if those guys saw the same thing that I did.
After all, it looks like Sac Dave called it "dumb ass." I chose to all
it knee-jerk. That's all!
>
>> Tone is where YOU find it.
>
> Now we agree on something! ;)
See, I wasn't "disagreeing?".
>
>> I appreciate all the options. I use what my ears say works best for
>> me.
>
> Bingo! I just found the basic British Invasion preset on my Mustang 1 almost perfectly
> approximates the tone on Savoy Brown's I'm Tired. Wasn't looking for
> it, just stumbled on it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYCH3Ias__g
I was expecting a clip of the digital Mustang.
>
> nb
notbob
>
> C'mon NB, I didn't use the term "knee-jerk" because I was "disagreeing"
> with you! I was pointing out the knee-jerk context of your comments.
You and 50 other unimaginative posters.
> After all, you jumped the gun, and made an extreme comment.
Can you say "facetious"?
> Nobody said anything belittling to solid state owners, right?
Not in the last 2 days, no, but I've been around this and that amp
group, off n' on, fer years. Granted, that amp group more so than
this one, but the general consensus has always been tubes are gifts
from the gods while SS is a red-headed stepchild. What crap. I've
been listening and looking at them glowing vacuum vessels for 60+ yrs
and during that time I've seen plenty of SS, both intrument amps and
high end hi-fi equipment, match tubes in every way. They both have
their strong points and weak points, each can have distinct tone
characteristics, but either one is not necessarily better than the
other.
nb
Jim
> On 2011-08-18, Jim<ask@first> wrote:
>
>>
>> C'mon NB, I didn't use the term "knee-jerk" because I was "disagreeing"
>> with you! I was pointing out the knee-jerk context of your comments.
>
> You and 50 other unimaginative posters.
Must've missed the other 49 posts. Just saw Sac Dave. Also not sure
why either of us would be "unimaginative."
>
>> After all, you jumped the gun, and made an extreme comment.
>
> Can you say "facetious"?
Believe me, I didn't take the "child molesting priest" nonsense
seriously. Just recognized that it was a knee-jerk response to an
overly defensive, yet to materialize anticipated attack on modeling and
SS by the boogie man "tube zealot." ;^)
>
>> Nobody said anything belittling to solid state owners, right?
>
> Not in the last 2 days, no, but I've been around this and that amp
> group, off n' on, fer years. Granted, that amp group more so than
> this one, but the general consensus has always been tubes are gifts
> from the gods while SS is a red-headed stepchild. What crap.
It's all opinion, right? So what makes the next guy's opinion "crap?"
I'd be willing to bet you my last SS amp that the majority of
professional and experienced hobby players would rather play a tube amp
than solid state. Doesn't make you "wrong," just places you in the
minority.
Since we're now expressing opinions...
As far as I'm concerned: The more, the merrier! Tubes, hybrid, solid
state, digital modeling... Different players will have different goals
and different resources. Not to mention different tolerances for
compromise.
My opinions, when it comes to guitar amps:
SS is best suited for entry level gear, where dollars are hard to come
by and skills aren't honed to the point that tubes give a big advantage.
SS is best for REproduction, including PA. It's also great for bass
because it's so much easier to get raw power. It's generally lighter
and cheaper.
Modeling has a place for recording, and for a "jack of all trades"
application. Such as either a home practice amp for a musician that
keeps his main amp (likely tube) at the practice space, or the hobby
player that can't afford or doesn't want to amass a collection of tube
amps.
But ya know what usually follows "jack of all trades?" "MASTER OF
NONE." That recognizes that the modeler is trying to sound like tubes,
and it will always be an approximation.
Based on your experience, I'd be surprised if it didn't represent an
evolution in the "all in one" type of modeling amp. And hopefully
they'll continue to improve.
I've
> been listening and looking at them glowing vacuum vessels for 60+ yrs
We both have experience. I've been listening for over 50 years, and
playing on solid state, tubes, hybrid and digital for over 40 (including
years of infrequent play in that time span).
> and during that time I've seen plenty of SS, both intrument amps and
> high end hi-fi equipment,
Ditto. But when it comes to tubes, there's a much more noticeable
difference with guitar amps, compared to hi-fi. And when I want tube
tone, it makes sense to grab a tube amp. If I didn't have my tube amps,
perhaps I'd be down demo'ing the digital Mustang. Maybe it's a
compromise that I could be happy with.
> match tubes in every way.
I'll do one better. I think quality SS hi-fi (stereo and home theater)
beats tubes, hands down. Accuracy, distortion, power handling, damping
factor... Lots of reasons! Much different goals between sound
production and sound REproduction. Doesn't make the tube audiophool's
opinion "wrong." The whole "warmth from musical sounding distortion"
argument. I'd rather eliminate the distortion for REproduction. But
that's just me.
They both have
> their strong points and weak points, each can have distinct tone
> characteristics, but either one is not necessarily better than the
> other
Maybe you can come up with a distinctive SS tone characteristic that
excels over tubes (for guitar). I honestly can't. Maybe thrash garage
tone? But I don't go for that. And the amp that started this thread is
trying to sound like a tube amp, right?
Tubes just do a better job of giving me what I want to hear when I move
my fingers.
In the end, IT'S ALL OPINION! By definition, opinions vary. So calling
an opposing opinion "crap" seems senseless to me. Kinda "knee-jerk."
;^) (Okay, I'm done with hitting you with the "knee-jerk" comment, you
saw the smiley face, right?)
I know where you're coming from. I was only recognizing where I thought
Sac Dave was coming from!
>
> nb