Jimmy Page mostoverrated guitarist ? (was Re: "Worst or most overrated guitarist)
Laurent Martelli
>>>>> " " == Peter Bradt <just...@castles.com> writes:
In article <justpete-030...@benicia06.castles.com> just...@castles.com (Peter Bradt) writes:
> I agree that Kenny Wayne Shepherd is way overrated but the most
> overrated guitarists of all have to be Jimmy Page (very sloppy
> and after LZ1 it just got worse)
> [...]
> Page...ugh, you can have him. Yardbirds was his last really
> good work...pete
Hum, excuse me sir, do you have a brain ? Or maybe you are deaf ?
There must be a reason whye you wrote all those blasphemous words.
Jimmy Page is the guitarist I admire the most, and I'm going to tell
you why.
Sloppy? Yes his is. (Anyone who is not sure of that can listen to the
solo of Heartbreaker) But what's wrong with sloppyness anyway? Page is
one of the very few guitarists who has been evolving all the time. He
(and Led Zeppelin) explored all kinds of music styles whith a lot of
success (well, that's my own opinion, but I agree with it). He's not
like Angus Young or even Mark Knoplfer, who have been playing the same
thing - and will probably continue to play - for decades. In ten
albums you just can't find two songs which sound alike. He is one of
the greatest (THE greatest ?) song writer that I know. That why I say
that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
«Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
-- Laurent Martelli
--
Laurent Martelli
Tel : 39.63.53.52 (jusqu'au 16 sept. 1996)
e-mail : mart...@iie.cnam.fr
William R Rodrick
: please, for god's sake and for the
: last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
I don't think God was offended.
Bill R.
goldtop®
mart...@joyeux.inria.fr (Laurent Martelli) was seen scribbling this:
>That why I say
>that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
>overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
>composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
>«Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
>Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
>Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
>like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
>last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
Again, someone who challenges the notion of JP being an overrated
player by noting his songwriting skills. Duh.
pablo
"Duh" what? Page's gifts as a composer are an integral part of his being
a guitarist, overrated or otherwise. Now, I'll concede that Page's execution
of even his _own_ tunes has been lacking at various times in his career, but
then, his very playing _style_ has _always_ been more about emotive
expression than technical dazzle/proficiency.
Live, he could be very spotty; sometimes inspired, sometimes insipid. But
if you listen to his studio work, you hear solos _dripping_ with the kind of
emotional intensity a great many modern artists still aspire to. Listen
to the solo on Physical Graffiti's "Ten Years Gone," or In Through The Out
Door's "I'm
Gonna Crawl," or the (yes, the wonderfully 'sloppy') solo in the Song
Remains The Same film version of "Since I've Been Loving You."
A technician he ain't. He's about _feeling_ first, technique second.
-pablo
Bill Hatcher
Lester. Jimmy Page was and is not the greatest guitarist in the
world. No one can really determine that and I personally think that
this is quite a undefinable subject. Jimmy Page does not
deserve,need,care about anything that anybody says about him. He is a
ledgend in the field of rock guitar and it does not matter if he
played standing on his head, his creations are what he will be known
for,not wheather he was sloppy or tight. I personally have a much
better appreciation of Mr. Page after having played a concert with
the Atlanta Symphony orchestra conducted by David Palmer of the Jethro
Tull band. Palmer was on a world wide tour conducting some of his
orchestrations of Led Z, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and others. I can
tell you that when I opened the guitar part and started reading some
of the Jimmy Page parts that were written out in standard music
notation I was very impressed!! I had a very challenging evening!!
Regards. Bill
john des portes
"Black Mountain Side" is some pretty tasty acoustic playing.
Lester Long
Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
heart.
Fulltone
I agree with Mr. Brandt..anybody that can write and record a legacy such
as Led Zeppelin's is beyond reproach...and anyone that can let go and
EXPRESS pure music is beyond scrutiny. Jimmy Page is, to me, the
Stravinsky of Rock, and intent(soul) outweighs execution(chops) every time
in my book. Mike
PS. Do you really think John Bonham was soley responsible for the greatest
rock drumming to ever grace this earth? Jimmy worked with him endlessly to
craft those epic arrangements.
Jeffry E. McGee
Let me jump in on this, if I may. I totally agree that Jimmy wrote these
great songs and everything and I list him as one of my favorites, BUT I saw
him with David Coverdale, on the Coverdale/Page tour and a few months ago
with Robert Plant, on the Plant/Page tour and, God I hate saying this, but
I was not impressed. It's almost like he cannot live up to his reputation.
Anyway, that's what I witnessed from row 2 at both shows. Sorry!
jammin' Jeff
goldtop® <gol...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<50pd4o$f...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
Fenchamp59
I saw led zeppelin in 1970 and they sucked so bad I thought they were an
opening act until they played Ramble on great and then left. Page could
play but believed in being sloppy or was just a waste product.I agree lz1
was good and the rest sucked because they didn't have to work anymore.
Mike Rejsa
And where did Mr Page come from? London session work, years of it
before joining the Yardbirds. I guess all those producers must
have been wrong about him, huh?
C'mon, the guy does some good and some bad like everyone. Would you
call Clapton sloppy? Listen to 'Guitar Greats', he's done some slop.
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Peter Bradt
In article <rupg24vol...@joyeux.inria.fr>, mart...@joyeux.inria.fr
(Laurent Martelli) wrote:
Laurent
Blah blah blah...Page comes on the radio, I switch the staion. End of story...pb
Peter Bradt
In article <50qlon$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
lo...@ix.netcom.com(Lester Long) wrote:
He mostly played from drugs and alcohol. I donno, when I hear him, I get
bored an annoyed. So I don't like him. I hear LedZep, I get bored. They
BORE me. If you like 'em, fine. I never did...pete
bul...@acadiacom.net
gol...@mindspring.com (goldtop®) wrote:
>>Again, someone who challenges the notion of JP being an overrated
>player by noting his songwriting skills. Duh.
1) Page was more about emotion than technique.
2) At the time Page was doing what he was doing, he was the only one
doing it, which counts for a lot.
3) All right smart guy, YOU play "Bron-Y-Aur."
4) Jimmy Page isn't the most overrated guitarist as long as Eddie Van
Halen lives.
II ZODiAC II
R U KRAZY overratred??? more like still underratted listen to bon yur
stomp listen to ten years gone how about some the song remains the
same??? until you guys start puttin out records like he has and still
have the admiration that he has 20 years since playing then u can
talk shit ZODiAC Led Zepplein KICKS ASS
Mr. Fowler
Page was a guitar god in the 60's & 70's. He has probably
influenced more players than any classic rock guitarist...
sloppy? maybe, but consider where he was coming from...he was
heavily influenced by blues, and blues is not techno music...
it is raw, living on the edge, gutsy music. My response would
have to be that it takes all types of players to make guitar
interesting -techno players & raw players- I don't necessarily
love Page's influences, but without them there would be no Jimmy
Page, Whole Lotta Love, Tangerine, That's the Way, Stairway to
Heaven..........Need I say more?
Comments? E-mail to ru...@dmrtc.net
Peace.
john des portes
Page may have been heavily influenced by the blues but his influences
were not limited to blues. Other influences included skiffle, folk,
and even Mid-Eastern music as evidenced in many of his acoustic songs and
later compositions. Page's acoustic work deserves accolades as too many
"ranked" guitarists have a deficiency in that department. Add his earlier
studio work with these other influences plus the blues and you have a very
versatile guitar player.
Johnny Crunch
Laurent Martelli wrote:
>
> >>>>> " " == Peter Bradt <just...@castles.com> writes:
> In article <justpete-030...@benicia06.castles.com> just...@castles.com (Peter Bradt) writes:
>
> > I agree that Kenny Wayne Shepherd is way overrated but the most
> > overrated guitarists of all have to be Jimmy Page (very sloppy
> > and after LZ1 it just got worse)
>
> > [...]
>
> > Page...ugh, you can have him. Yardbirds was his last really
> > good work...pete
>
> Hum, excuse me sir, do you have a brain ? Or maybe you are deaf ?
> There must be a reason whye you wrote all those blasphemous words.
> Jimmy Page is the guitarist I admire the most, and I'm going to tell
> you why.
>
> Sloppy? Yes his is. (Anyone who is not sure of that can listen to the
> solo of Heartbreaker) But what's wrong with sloppyness anyway? Page is
> one of the very few guitarists who has been evolving all the time. He
> (and Led Zeppelin) explored all kinds of music styles whith a lot of
> success (well, that's my own opinion, but I agree with it). He's not
> like Angus Young or even Mark Knoplfer, who have been playing the same
> thing - and will probably continue to play - for decades. In ten
> albums you just can't find two songs which sound alike. He is one of
> that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
> overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
> composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
> «Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
> Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
> Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
> like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
> last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
>
> --
> Laurent Martelli
> Tel : 39.63.53.52 (jusqu'au 16 sept. 1996)
> e-mail : mart...@iie.cnam.fr
Yea really!! Everyone knows Johnny Ramone is the best guitarist ever!!
1 2 3 4!!
rat...@conval.edu
MI>And where did Mr Page come from? London session work, years of it
MI>before joining the Yardbirds. I guess all those producers must
MI>have been wrong about him, huh?
MI>C'mon, the guy does some good and some bad like everyone. Would you
MI>call Clapton sloppy? Listen to 'Guitar Greats', he's done some slop.
Isn't it a bit silly that we only rate guitarists on leads? Come
to think of it, I think it is silly that we rate guitarists at all, but
there is so much more to guitar than leads. I mean, I wouldn't care if
Black Sabbath didn't have any leads, there riffs were cool enough in
themselves..
Ed
just...@castles.com (Peter Bradt) wrote:
>In article <50qlon$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
>lo...@ix.netcom.com(Lester Long) wrote:
>> Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
>> that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>> you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>> three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>> heart.
Jimmy Page didn't have the kinds of equipment modern players have to
sound good. He had some neat gizmos, but no real high-gain amps,
high-output pickups, equalizers, compressors, things that even out
your pick attack and make you sound better than you are. His playing
went beyond the limitations of his gear. What he had was endless
creativity. His playing changed rock and roll forever, whether you
like it or not. That's an undeniable fact. He still inspires players
today, as much as any other guitarist.
rat...@conval.edu
RU>Page was a guitar god in the 60's & 70's. He has probably
RU>influenced more players than any classic rock guitarist...
RU>sloppy? maybe, but consider where he was coming from...he was
RU>heavily influenced by blues, and blues is not techno music...
RU>it is raw, living on the edge, gutsy music. My response would
RU>have to be that it takes all types of players to make guitar
RU>interesting -techno players & raw players- I don't necessarily
RU>love Page's influences, but without them there would be no Jimmy
RU>Page, Whole Lotta Love, Tangerine, That's the Way, Stairway to
RU>Heaven..........Need I say more?
RU>Comments? E-mail to ru...@dmrtc.net
RU>Peace.
Not only that... there wasn't really a real popular "technique
school" of playing back then.. I mean.. Page's big contenders were
Hendrix and Clapton... and Hendrix was often sloppy, and Clapton was
more raw back then too.
Jeremy Michael Crosbie
In article <50qdk2$c...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>,
john des portes <desp...@pop.dakotacom.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Black Mountain Side" is some pretty tasty acoustic playing.
>
Being that it is that he ripped it off from Jeff Beck. Ever heard of
"White Summer?e
David Nason x7812
>Let me jump in on this, if I may. I totally agree that Jimmy wrote these
>great songs and everything and I list him as one of my favorites, BUT I saw
>him with David Coverdale, on the Coverdale/Page tour and a few months ago
>with Robert Plant, on the Plant/Page tour and, God I hate saying this, but
>I was not impressed. It's almost like he cannot live up to his reputation.
>Anyway, that's what I witnessed from row 2 at both shows. Sorry!
>
I saw Page with Zep back in the 70s - he put on a terrible live
performance then, and he still does today. IMHO, Page and Zep
were terrible live performers (need you any more proof than
The Song Remains the Same?) ... but what they recorded was
absolute magic. I think the guitar work on the Zep records
is brilliant - leads, acoustic, rhythm - the whole works.
If you wanna hear Zep played live like it should be, check out a
Steve Morse show sometime, and maybe he'll pull out a Zep tune or two.
It's awesome when he does ...
david
john des portes
Or vice-versa? I love Beck and have seen him play as many times as
I've seen Page. The point is back in '68 they both did first albums
(post-YBirds) and who knows where and when each other took from. If Beck
did the song on the Yardbirds he was "first", my point is I still think
Black Mountain Side is tasty and shows Page's versatility.
Greg Jones
I think the bottom line to "so and so is the best guitar player, and so
and so sucks" is this. "Best" and "worst" can only begin to be judged
objectively if we judge what is good guitar playing by what is the most
difficult to play.
If a player tends to play things that anyone with a couple years of
experience can play then he is not good. (Unless he is just holding
back) On the other hand, if a guitar player's playing is very difficult
and few can replicate his/her playing, then that player is great.
Now you might be saying, what if a guitar player plays things that are
easy to play but not easy to think of, in other words he's not
technically the best, but very creative. Well that kind of player would
be categorized as very creative but not a very good guitar player.
I believe this is the category that Page fits into. He's not that great
of a player. Most anyone can replicate his playing. But, I've heard very
few guitarists with the ability to come up with the amount of riffs that
he's come up with. He's just a very creative songwriter. But not a great
player.
Now, we can talk about who is the "best" and "worst" in terms of who we
*like* the most, but to debate on a subjective level is a waste of
bandwidth.
Just, my opinion.
Greg
In article <01bb9c92$7323b9a0$ab33...@jmcgee.gol.com>, "Jeffry E. McGee" <jmc...@gol.com> writes:
|> Let me jump in on this, if I may. I totally agree that Jimmy wrote these
|> great songs and everything and I list him as one of my favorites, BUT I saw
|> him with David Coverdale, on the Coverdale/Page tour and a few months ago
|> with Robert Plant, on the Plant/Page tour and, God I hate saying this, but
|> I was not impressed. It's almost like he cannot live up to his reputation.
|> Anyway, that's what I witnessed from row 2 at both shows. Sorry!
|>
|> jammin' Jeff
|>
|> goldtop® <gol...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
|> <50pd4o$f...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
|> > mart...@joyeux.inria.fr (Laurent Martelli) was seen scribbling this:
|> >
|> > >That why I say
|> > >that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
|> > >overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
|> > >composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
|> > >«Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
|> > >Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
|> > >Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
|> > >like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
|> > >last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
|> >
kirk anderson
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Peter Bradt (just...@castles.com) wrote:
: Blah blah blah...Page comes on the radio,
: I switch the staion. End of story...pb
I just watched that Time/Life episode, "Guitar Heroes".
There's a bit with Page doing the long "Dazed and Confused"
solo, violin bow and the whole bit. So I thinks "Hey
I've seen this somewhere before!" And yes indeed, this
whole schtick was stolen from Spinal Tap's Nigel Tufnel,
who used an actual violin to coax bold new screams from
his guitar. : )
Kirk
ga...@conval.edu
JM>Let me jump in on this, if I may. I totally agree that Jimmy wrote these
JM>great songs and everything and I list him as one of my favorites, BUT I saw
JM>him with David Coverdale, on the Coverdale/Page tour and a few months ago
JM>with Robert Plant, on the Plant/Page tour and, God I hate saying this, but
JM>I was not impressed. It's almost like he cannot live up to his reputation.
JM>Anyway, that's what I witnessed from row 2 at both shows. Sorry!
Yea, and I hear he doesn't even try to "rip it up" anymore. :(
rat...@conval.edu
JU>> three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
JU>> heart.
JU>He mostly played from drugs and alcohol. I donno, when I hear him, I get
JU>bored an annoyed. So I don't like him. I hear LedZep, I get bored. They
JU>BORE me. If you like 'em, fine. I never did...pete
I find it hard to believe with all the diverse styles they
played, you couldn't find anythign you like, but if you are telling the
truth, we can respect that.
rat...@conval.edu
EP>sound good. He had some neat gizmos, but no real high-gain amps,
EP>high-output pickups, equalizers, compressors, things that even out
EP>your pick attack and make you sound better than you are. His playing
EP>went beyond the limitations of his gear. What he had was endless
EP>creativity. His playing changed rock and roll forever, whether you
EP>like it or not. That's an undeniable fact. He still inspires players
EP>today, as much as any other guitarist.
I can atest to that last sentence.
tom radcliffe
Jimmy is sloppy but he is a great musician. Steve Vai, Joe Satrani or Ted
Nuget could not write music so beautiful than jimmy's. I cannot believe you
people would say he is overrated. Stop smokin' crack and just listen to the
music. Kurt Cobain
sucked so Baddddd but it sounded great and the music was easy to play! Tell
me what makes an overrated guitarist? In my own opinion, every fucking
guitarist
is overrated! Put down the crack pipe!
Laurent Martelli <mart...@joyeux.inria.fr> wrote in article
<rupg24vol...@joyeux.inria.fr>...
> >>>>> " " == Peter Bradt <just...@castles.com> writes:
> In article <justpete-030...@benicia06.castles.com>
just...@castles.com (Peter Bradt) writes:
>
> > I agree that Kenny Wayne Shepherd is way overrated but the most
> > overrated guitarists of all have to be Jimmy Page (very sloppy
> > and after LZ1 it just got worse)
>
> > [...]
>
> > Page...ugh, you can have him. Yardbirds was his last really
> > good work...pete
>
> Hum, excuse me sir, do you have a brain ? Or maybe you are deaf ?
> There must be a reason whye you wrote all those blasphemous words.
> Jimmy Page is the guitarist I admire the most, and I'm going to tell
> you why.
>
> Sloppy? Yes his is. (Anyone who is not sure of that can listen to the
> solo of Heartbreaker) But what's wrong with sloppyness anyway? Page is
> one of the very few guitarists who has been evolving all the time. He
> (and Led Zeppelin) explored all kinds of music styles whith a lot of
> success (well, that's my own opinion, but I agree with it). He's not
> like Angus Young or even Mark Knoplfer, who have been playing the same
> thing - and will probably continue to play - for decades. In ten
> albums you just can't find two songs which sound alike. He is one of
> the greatest (THE greatest ?) song writer that I know. That why I say
> that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
> overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
> composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
> «Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
> Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
> Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
> like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
> last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
>
Magesh Pillai
> > "Black Mountain Side" is some pretty tasty acoustic playing.
> Being that it is that he ripped it off from Jeff Beck. Ever heard of
> "White Summer?e
>
Jeremy! What are you talking about guy? 'Black Mountain Side' and 'White
Summer' are both Jimmy Page originals. Jeff Beck has never played an
Eastern sounding tune, except when he approximates a sitar in 'Heart full
of Soul' about 30 years ago.
jsn...@csi.compuserve.com
I think we're missing the point here; the medium has become the
message. My girlfriend was over the other day watching a few
instructional videos I had (I'm starting to branch out into jazz), and
she commented on how dull and uninspiring these guys were.
Technically proficient, but if you can't create or play in a way that
connects with others, what's it matter? Some of my favorite guitar
players, ones who really "speak" to me, probably could be considered
"sloppy."
To use marketing verbiage, we should be selling a product, not a
process.
-Jon
gol...@mindspring.com (goldtop®) wrote:
>mart...@joyeux.inria.fr (Laurent Martelli) was seen scribbling this:
>>That why I say
>>that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
>>overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
>>composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
>>«Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
>>Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
>>Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
>>like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
>>last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
>Again, someone who challenges the notion of JP being an overrated
00b0...@bsuvc.bsu.edu
English folk song
J.F. Bronowich
Yeah, I love the songwriting job he did on "The Lemon Song" and "I'm
Gonna Quit You, Baby"
=Joe=
...who likes to think he wrote "Johnny B. Goode" because he plays it
different!
Guitar Al
I hear that same argument every time some kid wonders who is "the" best
guitarist. And it all comes back to the same thing to me: Do the songs
appeal to me, move me in some way. And I can say that
Satriani/Vai/blahblahblah bore me to tears thier SONGS start nowhere, go
nowhere with no passion or apparent reason. Its like judging an author by
how fast he can type. It has rather little to do with MUSIC (he
shouted). I think guitar players work best when confined by the band
context to play songs or are more interested in songs than proving their
manhood by squuzing out a bazillion irrelevant notes.
Page is the classic example, he wrote wonderful emotional songs, but never
seemed care all that much about the technique. That emotional,
unconscious playing (or was it the drugs) goes straight to my soul, I can
feel the music. He doesn't impress me, he moves me.
Al (I'm all choked up now)
In article <512ln6$b...@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com>,
ujo...@pclprod.meaddata.com (Greg Jones) wrote:
> |> Let me jump in on this, if I may. I totally agree that Jimmy wrote these
> |> great songs and everything and I list him as one of my favorites, BUT I saw
> |> him with David Coverdale, on the Coverdale/Page tour and a few months ago
> |> with Robert Plant, on the Plant/Page tour and, God I hate saying this, but
> |> I was not impressed. It's almost like he cannot live up to his reputation.
> |> Anyway, that's what I witnessed from row 2 at both shows. Sorry!
> |>
> |> jammin' Jeff
> |>
> |> goldtop® <gol...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
> |> <50pd4o$f...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
> |> > mart...@joyeux.inria.fr (Laurent Martelli) was seen scribbling this:
> |> >
> |> > >That why I say
> |> > >that someone with sane brain and ears cannot call Jimmy Page an
> |> > >overrated guitarist. No, really, you cannot call the person who
> |> > >composed «Babe I'm gonna leave you», «Since I've been lovong you»,
> |> > >«Communication Breakdown», «Rock'N Roll», «Whole Lotta Love», «Black
> |> > >Dog», «Stairway To Heaven», «Ramble On», «Tea For One», «Dazed And
> |> > >Confused» and so many others an overrated guitarist. Maybe you don't
> |> > >like his sloppy guitar playing, but please, for god's sake and for the
> |> > >last time, do not call Jimmy Page an overrated guitarist.
> |> >
Peter Matchette
rat...@conval.edu wrote:
What diverse styles? Page just copped blues licks, and played some
pseudo-midieval mandolin-inspired ballads.
-- Matchetteboy
bul...@acadiacom.net
00b0...@bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote:
>according to an article I read Black mountain Side isheavily based on an
>English folk song
Black Mountain Side *is* an english folk song, also known as
Blackwaterside. It has been done by Bert Jansch and by Sandy Denny of
Fairport Convention. It's interesting to note that Bert Jansch is one
of the people that Page cites most often as being an influence, and of
course Sandy Denny sang on that infamous "Stairway to Heaven" album.
It is not generally known that both Page and Plant were deeply into
the English folk-rock scene, and that Led Zeppelin and Fairport
Convention members jammed together on several occasions. If you
listen carefully to both bands you can see where they influenced each
other.
cl...@mdh1.moorhead.msus.edu
Live, I agree, the old boy leaves a lot to be desired.
But in the studio! Just listen to those old Led Zep albums - there's
where he shines.
Jimmy Page is a craftsman.
My $.02 worth.
Dr. Dave
Hector
Oh, what the hell, here's my 2c.:
Whatever you say about his playing (personally, I'd give my left nut to
play like that), nobody but nobody ever mastered the recording studio
like Mr. Page. It's not just the playing, it's the tecnical creativity.
Yes, you could say he overdid the overdubs (I wouldn't), but if he heard
it in his head, he could get it to the tape. Backwards echo? His baby.
Years later, top producers were still saying there was no way to do it.
That's my boy.
Hector
Peter Bradt
In article <3236BD...@mdh1.moorhead.msus.edu>,
cl...@mdh1.moorhead.msus.edu wrote:
> Live, I agree, the old boy leaves a lot to be desired.
>
> But in the studio! Just listen to those old Led Zep albums - there's
> where he shines.
>
> Jimmy Page is a craftsman.
>
> My $.02 worth.
>
> Dr. Dave
A friend and I were pondering JP just the other day and the question,
after we stopped laughing at the defenders of the Pagemeister was...how
many takes did it take to get any of that stuff down right on tape...We
were eating oatmeal...pb
john des portes
The first album from start to finish took 7 days.
rat...@conval.edu
GU>shouted). I think guitar players work best when confined by the band
GU>context to play songs or are more interested in songs than proving their
GU>manhood by squuzing out a bazillion irrelevant notes.
GU>Page is the classic example, he wrote wonderful emotional songs, but never
GU>seemed care all that much about the technique. That emotional,
GU>unconscious playing (or was it the drugs) goes straight to my soul, I can
GU>feel the music. He doesn't impress me, he moves me.
GU>Al (I'm all choked up now)
I am on the pro-page side of the argument. Though I don;t agree
with you about Satriani, I agree with you about what you are saying
about Page. On his albums he was an awesome songwriter. Although in
concert sometimes he could get irritating "trying to show his manhood".
:>
Shaft
The music is so pure. The feeling comes right through. You tech obsessed
people need to smoke a bowl or two, have a beer and listen to the sheer
originality of his music. Then enjoy the traditional blues that reeks of
emotion. Led Zepplin was a complete package; ecstasy in harmony.
acm...@indiana.edu
In article <5155a8$p...@news.cais.com>,
some tentative distinctions. In Zep I and II he did some heavy songs like
Communication Breakdown and Heartbreaker, and some bluesy songs like Bring It
On Home. Zep III was mainly acoustical: Friends, Tangerine, etc. It also
included the folk sounding song Bron-Y-Aur Stomp. I'm sure there are even
other distinctions in the first three albums that I didn't list. There are
many other variations in Page and Zep's music that are really too subtle to
describe with words, and Page was a source of great guitar riffs (too many to
list). If there is one thing you can say about Page and Zep it's that they
were very diverse as musicians.
Jeff Vineburg
tyra...@usa.pipeline.com(Shaft) wrote:
>The music is so pure. The feeling comes right through. You tech obsessed
>people need to smoke a bowl or two,
1) I'm tech-obsessed
2) I'm extremely impressed with Jimmy's playing and production and
layering
3) I don't *need* to smoke ANYTHING.
4) I love Zep.
>have a beer
I must be from another planet. I can enjoy music with only my ears.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Vineburg je...@netaxs.com Nuclear Fish nuke...@netaxs.com
http://www.netaxs.com/~jeffv http://www.netaxs.com/~nukefish
lefty guitar info, musical humor song parodies, as heard on Stern show
J.F. Bronowich
Yes, Jimmy Page loves traditional blues so much that he saw fit to STEAL
from the original artists.
Okay, I realize it was Zep's manager, Peter Grant, as the main culprit,
but I don't see how they, as artists, could have let that happen. They
did lose the one lawsuit to Willie Dixon's estate over "I Can't Quit
You, Baby", but they still claim the rights to "Lemon Song", which my
grandmother could recognize as "Killing Floor".
Somehow, when I think of Led Zep, I can't get far beyond that; it makes
me too angry. So when I think of Jimmy Page, that's what I think of:
"Thief." It overrides any greatness I used to think they had.
He should have stolen some material for those "The Firm" albums!
Joe
Shaft wrote:
>
> The music is so pure. The feeling comes right through. You tech obsessed
JLWChE
Hello. IMHO Jimmy Page was one of the greats of his time. I saw the
Page/Plant tour and there wasn't alot to support Page as a legendary
guitarist based on his performance now. However, if anyone had seen LZ in
their heyday there would be no question that hey was a great guitarist.
Anyone ever tried to play the live version of " Since I been lovin' you"
from the Song Remains the Same ? I'm not saying that it is impossible,
I'm just saying you will appreciate his playing and you'll probably think,
"Now why hadn't I thought of that phrase" or something to that effect.
Just my $0.02.
Thanks
Jamie
Joe
"J.F. Bronowich" <jfb...@inch.com> wrote:
>Yes, Jimmy Page loves traditional blues so much that he saw fit to STEAL
>from the original artists.
>Okay, I realize it was Zep's manager, Peter Grant, as the main culprit,
>but I don't see how they, as artists, could have let that happen. They
>did lose the one lawsuit to Willie Dixon's estate over "I Can't Quit
>You, Baby", but they still claim the rights to "Lemon Song", which my
>grandmother could recognize as "Killing Floor".
>Somehow, when I think of Led Zep, I can't get far beyond that; it makes
>me too angry. So when I think of Jimmy Page, that's what I think of:
>"Thief." It overrides any greatness I used to think they had.
>He should have stolen some material for those "The Firm" albums!
>Joe
Sad but true. All too many of the great bluemans lived lives of near
abject poverty. Their talents should have been rewarded.
Speaking of ripoffs. I always used to look at who wrote many of the
early great Rolling Stones tunes. On the record they credited a
character called Nanker Phlege and I always wondered who this cat was.
Come to find out they just created a fictitious name to avoid having
to pay some old black dude his due. They knew the artist was either
dead or couldn't afford a lawyer, so they just ripped them off
wholesale.
Shame on all you sleaze bags.
Scott Patrick Crotty
Page is my fav. guitarist. He rocks. Since I've been lovin' you Is
a cool song. No Quarter is a cool CD. My fovorate song is probably
Misty Mountain Hop. (Zep IV) Ever tried to play the solo to Stairway
(One of the live ones, I'm not sure which...) Damn hard. The one off
Zep IV is not too bad though.
loganr
jimmy PAGE is The most over rated ever .........................
Imagine Zep with page writing tunes & a REAL GUITAR PLAYER
PAGE KNOWS HES NO MUSICIAN...
MANY OF US CAN PLAY CIRCLES AROUND HIM..........................
Joe <j...@tutsys.com> wrote in article
<51muqk$f...@masters0.news.internex.net>...
jamesc
In article <50qlon$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, lo...@ix.netcom.co
says...
>
>Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
Don't get me wrong I like Jimmy Page. He came up with some of the best
riffs ever. But if you can't tell how sloppy he playes live by watching
The Song Remains The Same, take another look or listen to the cd.
Crash Martin
J.F. Bronowich <jfb...@inch.com> wrote in article
<323E12...@inch.com>...
> Yes, Jimmy Page loves traditional blues so much that he saw fit to STEAL
> from the original artists.
>
> Okay, I realize it was Zep's manager, Peter Grant, as the main culprit,
> but I don't see how they, as artists, could have let that happen. They
> did lose the one lawsuit to Willie Dixon's estate over "I Can't Quit
> You, Baby", but they still claim the rights to "Lemon Song", which my
> grandmother could recognize as "Killing Floor".
>
> Somehow, when I think of Led Zep, I can't get far beyond that; it makes
> me too angry. So when I think of Jimmy Page, that's what I think of:
> "Thief." It overrides any greatness I used to think they had.
>
> He should have stolen some material for those "The Firm" albums!
In that case you should hold the same measure up to the jillion bands that
are Zeppelin rip-offs.
--
Shawn "Crash" Martin
***************************************************************
Crash's Supermodel Mags & Memorabilia
http://www.cybercondo.com/pub/smartin
***************************************************************
>
Jeremy Michael Crosbie
In article <01bba5d6$ce1e57a0$744181d0@default>,
loganr <log...@ionet.net> wrote:
>jimmy PAGE is The most over rated ever .........................
>Imagine Zep with page writing tunes & a REAL GUITAR PLAYER
>PAGE KNOWS HES NO MUSICIAN...
>
>MANY OF US CAN PLAY CIRCLES AROUND HIM..........................
>
Hmmm, "Page knows he's no musician" yet you ponder what it would
be like with another guitar player and him writing the songs. Are composers
not musicians?
Who cares if you can play circles around him? Two facts remain:
1. He wrote and played some of the most memorable and enduring songs of all time.
2. His bank account can run circles around yours.
If Page wasn't a musician, why do people still talk about him over 15 years
since Led Zeppelin called it quits? He obviously made an impact.
I am not a big fan of Page but I cannot deny that he heldped to define the
way music is today.
"The next sentence will be false. . .
The previous sentence was true."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
D.J.D.
In article <51k907$4...@netaxs.com>, je...@netaxs.com (Jeff Vineburg) wrote:
>tyra...@usa.pipeline.com(Shaft) wrote:
>
>>The music is so pure. The feeling comes right through. You tech obsessed
>>people need to smoke a bowl or two,
>
>2) I'm extremely impressed with Jimmy's playing and production and
>layering
>3) I don't *need* to smoke ANYTHING.
>4) I love Zep.
>
>
>>have a beer
>
>I must be from another planet. I can enjoy music with only my ears.
>
Why do you think he is "LORD PAGE" overthere across the pond ??? He is
LORD and as such.....quite discussing his ability . all you lowly pee brains !
Mark Regan
D.J.D. wrote:
>
> In article <51k907$4...@netaxs.com>, je...@netaxs.com (Jeff Vineburg) wrote:
> >tyra...@usa.pipeline.com(Shaft) wrote:
> >
> >>The music is so pure. The feeling comes right through. You tech obsessed
> >>people need to smoke a bowl or two,
> >
> >1) I'm tech-obsessed
> >2) I'm extremely impressed with Jimmy's playing and production and
> >layering
> >3) I don't *need* to smoke ANYTHING.
> >4) I love Zep.
Tech-Obsessed? Try listening to Jimmy's Guitar Playing on Trampled
UnderFoot and work out how many differnt guitar parts their are. If you
get any less than 7 your'e lying to yourself. Go back and listen to
it again.
Guido The Sicilian Land Shark
jam...@socomm.net (jamesc) wrote:
Not just sloppy, either out of tune, or off key (I'm betting on the
former)
Ciao
Guido
"they're vampires, psycos don't explode when sunlight hits them"
rat...@conval.edu
JF>Yes, Jimmy Page loves traditional blues so much that he saw fit to STEAL
JF>from the original artists.
Yes, I feel somewhat the same way, but when I listened to the
songs you mentioned I knew they were some kind of blues. Led Zeppelin
helped turn me onto the blues... back in the late 80's I listened to
White Snake, Guns and Roses, and all those guys, and Led Zeppelin and
Santana. If it had not been for the latter two I probably wouldn't have
dug SRV so much and probably never would have gotten into Albert King,
Buddy Guy, Albert Collins, etc..
rat...@conval.edu
AC>>> I find it hard to believe with all the diverse styles they
AC>>>played, you couldn't find anythign you like, but if you are telling the
AC>>>truth, we can respect that.
AC>>
AC>>What diverse styles? Page just copped blues licks, and played some
AC>>pseudo-midieval mandolin-inspired ballads.
AC>>
AC>>-- Matchetteboy
AC>>
AC>>
And Satch is just a big haired 80's rocker with no emotion
becuase he taps, and all Hendrix just shook his whammy bar, and SRV just
ripped off Hendrix, and Buddy Guy sucks becuase I heard a song of his
once and he overbent a few notes. Did I mention John Pettrucci is just
and idiot shredder, Iron Man wasn't heavy, Pantera sounds like pussies,
and rap is not music.
Obviously you have not listened to much Led Zeppelin.
topdog
Guido The Sicilian Land Shark wrote:
>
> jam...@socomm.net (jamesc) wrote:
>
> >In article <50qlon$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, lo...@ix.netcom.co
> >says...
> >>
> >>Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
> >>heart.
I don't think Page sucks but I don't think he is the greatest
guitarist ever. I think that if you want to hear someone playing from
the heart Page is not the person to listen to. I think that you should
try listening to some blues you know B.B., T-Bone, Muddy, SRV, Jimi
Hendrix, Albert and Buddy Guy. If you listen to these performers and
then listen to Page you will see why Page is not the best guitarist ever.
Justin
Wincom
topdog <jcre...@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:
>Guido The Sicilian Land Shark wrote:
>>
>> jam...@socomm.net (jamesc) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <50qlon$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, lo...@ix.netcom.co
>> >says...
>> >>
>> >>Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>> >>heart.
Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
kri...@tiac.net
>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>>> >>heart.
>
>
>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
long live the 2 jimmys..
hendrix/page the best ever!
(in my opinion)
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rat...@conval.edu
WG>>> >>Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
WG>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
WG>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
WG>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
WG>>> >>heart.
WG>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
WG>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
Not to bash Van Halen, as I am a fan as well, but Pagey and the
demonstrated on there first album that were much more than a metal pop
band. Find something as deep as Dazed and Confused on any Van Halen
album.
DAVE RULES!!!
J.F. Bronowich
rat...@conval.edu wrote:
[edits]
> White Snake, Guns and Roses, and all those guys, and Led Zeppelin and
> Santana. If it had not been for the latter two I probably wouldn't have
> dug SRV so much and probably never would have gotten into Albert King,
> Buddy Guy, Albert Collins, etc..
Ratman, I think it's great that you had the interest and motivation to
trace the music to its source. But what about a guy who stole millions
while some of the great artists you mentioned had to work day jobs to
pay the rent! How can anyone respect a musician like that? (Sloppy
guitar or not?)
Just think of all the people who listened to those songs and had no idea
that they were written by Howlin' Wolf and Willie Dixon, and how many of
those people might have discovered those artists if Led Zep had just
been honest.
It's tough for me to get past that.
=Joe=
Pepe
Wincom wrote:
topdog <jcre...@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:
>says...
>Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>heart.
Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
Now come on, all of those who are guitar players and ARE playing
regularly put a stop to all these bedroom shredders!, listen mate Eddie
wouldn't feel the way you do about Jimmy Page, you know why? because
he's a musician and so is Jimmy Page, they're mature musicians, when are you going to realize that music is
art, and you can't criticize art or measure it, you either like it or not, it's a like a beautifully
painted canvas, it's not so much how it is painted but whether is moves ya!
I remember seeing a band called The Angels, down here in the 80's two screaming guitars playing power chords
and simple lead lines, but there was something else behind their music that moved crowds, think about it..
Crash Martin
Carl Fiadino <fia...@bccom.com> wrote in article
<527cv8$m...@bcs3.bccom.com>...
> kri...@tiac.net wrote:
> >
> >>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he
tell
> >>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play
only
> >>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from
the
> >>>> >>heart.
> >>
> >>
> >>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
> >>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
> >
> >haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the
best..
> >hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie
an
> >acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
> >
>
Amen! I'd love to see Eddie try to play Since I've Been Loving You without
grabbing his wanker bar or tapping.
Greg Jones
In article <5226ot$l...@news-central.tiac.net>, kri...@tiac.net writes:
|>
|> >>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
|> >>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
|> >>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
|> >>> >>heart.
|> >
|> >
|> >Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
|> >Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
|>
|> haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the
I wouldn't call EVH the best, but he can surely outplay Page.
|> hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did,......
"laying down the song" (composing/songwriting) does not mean you are the
best *GUITAR PLAYER*.
|> acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
Carl Fiadino
kri...@tiac.net wrote:
>
>>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>>>> >>heart.
>>
>>
>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>
>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>
>hendrix/page the best ever!
>(in my opinion)
Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
for itself. Carl
Hicklin
Walter Golac wrote:
> feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
> nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
> to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
> work of satan!!
Wow, he can play fast. If I can type faster than anyone, can I be as
cool as him?! Personally, I like EVH. Not as much as Page, but I like
him. Playing fast isn't everything (quantity or quality?) I think that
if you can be more expressive by playing less, than that's what you
should do. Ask B.B. King. Page plays faster than B.B. King, but I
would say that B.B. is just as expressive. That's what the business is
about, isn't it? Being expressive? EVH may feel most expressive at 90
miles an hour, but just because he's faster doesn't mean he's better.
Clayton Hicklin
hic...@mail.concentric.net
Jeff Vineburg
kri...@tiac.net wrote:
>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
not if it was a Peavey, with that AWESOME acoustic whammy bar !!!
:)
Walter Golac
Carl Fiadino <fia...@bccom.com> wrote:
>kri...@tiac.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>>>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>>>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>>>>> >>heart.
>>>
>>>
>>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>>
>>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>>
Lester Long
>
>>Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
>>for itself. Carl
>
>Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
>to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
>work of satan!!
>
You are wrong. EVH cited JP as a major innovator at fret tapping, which
makes him appear fast. You know, fast isn't everything. Musical
communication is what matters... like a babbling idiot speaks more
quickly than a recital of Shakespeare, but who cares?
rat...@conval.edu
TM>best..
TM>> >hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie
TM>an
TM>> >acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
TM>> >
TM>>
TM>Amen! I'd love to see Eddie try to play Since I've Been Loving You without
TM>grabbing his wanker bar or tapping.
Yea, and we would like to see Page try to play without his arms.
Now what does that prove? Saying "lets see Eddie play it without
tapping" is like saying "lets see page play without hammerons or
pulloffs.
John Bushong
Walter Golac wrote:
[snip]
> nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
> to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
> work of satan!!
Nonsense!! Everybody knows satan is a bass player.
Scott Patrick Crotty
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Hicklin wrote:
> Walter Golac wrote:
> >
> > Carl Fiadino <fia...@bccom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >kri...@tiac.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
> > >>>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
> > >>>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
> > >>>>> >>heart.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
> > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
> > >>
> > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
> > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
> > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
> > >>
> > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
> > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
> > >>(in my opinion)
> >
> > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
> > >for itself. Carl
> >
> > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
> > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
> > nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
> > to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
> > work of satan!!
>
> Wow, he can play fast. If I can type faster than anyone, can I be as
> cool as him?! Personally, I like EVH. Not as much as Page, but I like
> him. Playing fast isn't everything (quantity or quality?) I think that
> if you can be more expressive by playing less, than that's what you
> should do. Ask B.B. King. Page plays faster than B.B. King, but I
> would say that B.B. is just as expressive. That's what the business is
> about, isn't it? Being expressive? EVH may feel most expressive at 90
> miles an hour, but just because he's faster doesn't mean he's better.
>
Yeah. Fast is not everything. Just look at Hammet. He can
eight finger tap his ass off, but he still sucks.
rat...@conval.edu
WG>>>long live the 2 jimmys..
WG>>>hendrix/page the best ever!
WG>>>(in my opinion)
WG>>Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
WG>>for itself. Carl
WG>Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
WG>feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
WG>nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
WG>to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
WG>work of satan!!
What does that prove? Jimmy was one of eddie's big influences.
Without Jimmy, there would be a different eddie. Eddie recalled in an
interview once how a open string pull off page used inspired him to tap.
Hurley
Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
> > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
> > > >>
> > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
> > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
> > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
> > > >>
> > > >>(in my opinion)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
> >
.
One thing that we all need to remember is that Eddie said himself that
he got the tapping idea ( as many say that he's the inventor of it)
from Jimmy Page durring a live concert while Page was playing ths solo
in Heart breaker. From his own mouth he said this. Give credit where
credit is due; even eddie knows THAT!!!
Daddy-O
Besides, Harvey Mandel was doin' tapping when Eddie hadn't got his first
case of acne yet.
Daddy-O
Greg Jones
In article <52d2cb$q...@news.istar.ca>, Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> writes:
|> Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
|> > > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
|> > > > >>
|> > > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
|> > > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
|> > > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
|> > > > >>
|> > > > >>(in my opinion)
|> > > >
|> > > >
|> > > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
|> > >
|> .
|>
|> One thing that we all need to remember is that Eddie said himself that
|> he got the tapping idea ( as many say that he's the inventor of it)
|> from Jimmy Page durring a live concert while Page was playing ths solo
|> in Heart breaker. From his own mouth he said this. Give credit where
|> credit is due; even eddie knows THAT!!!
But neither, EVH, or Page invented tapping. EVH just popularized it, but
it was being done prior to both of these guys.
Walter Golac
Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> wrote:
>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>> > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>> > > >>
>> > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>> > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>> > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>> > > >>
>> > > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
>> > > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
>> > > >>(in my opinion)
>> > >
>> > > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
>> > > >for itself. Carl
>> > >
>> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>> > > nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
>> > > to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
>> > > work of satan!!
>> >
>.
>One thing that we all need to remember is that Eddie said himself that
>he got the tapping idea ( as many say that he's the inventor of it)
>from Jimmy Page durring a live concert while Page was playing ths solo
>in Heart breaker. From his own mouth he said this. Give credit where
>credit is due; even eddie knows THAT!!!
I dont hafta, Jimmy is HORRIBLE!!
dbea...@pond.com
Pepe wrote:
>
> Wincom wrote:
>
> topdog <jcre...@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:
>
> >says...
>
> >Jimmy Page is the best guitarist in the world! How does anybody KNOW
> >you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
> >three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
> >heart.
> Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>
> regularly put a stop to all these bedroom shredders!, listen mate Eddie
> wouldn't feel the way you do about Jimmy Page, you know why? because
> he's a musician and so is Jimmy Page, they're mature musicians, when are you going to realize that music is
> art, and you can't criticize art or measure it, you either like it or not, it's a like a beautifully
> painted canvas, it's not so much how it is painted but whether is moves ya!
> I remember seeing a band called The Angels, down here in the 80's two screaming guitars playing power chords
> and simple lead lines, but there was something else behind their music that moved crowds, think about it..
I just happend to stumble upon this letter and I tend to agree with the
above paragraph. Never the less Jimmy Page is a more skilfull guitar
player than Eddie. Eddie may have been a bit more inovative but Jimmy
Page is an over all guitar master. This is a fact that anybody can
argue with and it will not make one bit of difference because you cannot
prove a fact wrong, otherwise it wouldn't be classified as a fact.
Anyway, Eddie is in a class below Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, and Jeff
Beck. He is more of a Jimmy Hendrix type, one of the most talented
gutar players of all time but not quite a Jimmy Page ect. Either way
who cares listen to whoever you like and appreciate them for what they
are and not who you think is better, I admire all of them!
Carlos Grau
Scott Patrick Crotty <u66...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Hicklin wrote:
>
>> Walter Golac wrote:
>> >
>> > Carl Fiadino <fia...@bccom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >kri...@tiac.net wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>>> >>that he was sloppy? Did you tell him what notes to play? Did he tell
>> > >>>>> >>you he fucked up? Does any other guitarist have the balls to play only
>> > >>>>> >>three versions and pick the best one? Remember Page played from the
>> > >>>>> >>heart.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>> > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>> > >>
>> > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>> > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>> > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>> > >>
>> > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
>> > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
>> > >>(in my opinion)
>> >
>> > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
>> > >for itself. Carl
>> >
>> > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>> > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>> > nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
>> > to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
>> > work of satan!!
>>
>> Wow, he can play fast. If I can type faster than anyone, can I be as
>> cool as him?! Personally, I like EVH. Not as much as Page, but I like
>> him. Playing fast isn't everything (quantity or quality?) I think that
>> if you can be more expressive by playing less, than that's what you
>> should do. Ask B.B. King. Page plays faster than B.B. King, but I
>> would say that B.B. is just as expressive. That's what the business is
>> about, isn't it? Being expressive? EVH may feel most expressive at 90
>> miles an hour, but just because he's faster doesn't mean he's better.
>>
> Yeah. Fast is not everything. Just look at Hammet. He can
>eight finger tap his ass off, but he still sucks.
Yeh, I agree. I'm pretty sure i can type a lot faster than
Shakespeare ever could.
Carlos Grau
Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> wrote:
>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>> > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>> > > >>
>> > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>> > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>> > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>> > > >>
>> > > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
>> > > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
>> > > >>(in my opinion)
>> > >
>> > > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
>> > > >for itself. Carl
>> > >
>> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>> > > nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
>> > > to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
>> > > work of satan!!
>> >
>.
>
>One thing that we all need to remember is that Eddie said himself that
>he got the tapping idea ( as many say that he's the inventor of it)
>from Jimmy Page durring a live concert while Page was playing ths solo
>in Heart breaker. From his own mouth he said this. Give credit where
>credit is due; even eddie knows THAT!!!
That solo in heartbreaker rocks. One of the best pieces of rock music
ever. I got nothing against SVH, but he never came close to that.
Carlos Grau
John Bushong <jbus...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>Walter Golac wrote:
>[snip]
>> nobody could imitate. As for jimmy & led zep... you couldn't get me
>> to listen to that garbage if you paid me. It's sickening.....its the
>> work of satan!!
>
>Nonsense!! Everybody knows satan is a bass player.
Funny I thought he played the accordian.
DEBBIELEE
In article <52etdo$n...@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com>, ujo...@pclprod.meaddata.com (Greg Jones) writes:
>In article <52d2cb$q...@news.istar.ca>, Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> writes:
>|> Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>|> > > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
>|> > > > >>
>|> > > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
>|> > > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
>|> > > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
>|> > > > >>
>|> > > > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
>|> > > > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
>|> > > > >>(in my opinion)
>|> > > >
>|> > > > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
>|> > > > >for itself. Carl
I totally agree. Led Zep will go down in history as one of the greatest/
They wrote songs to die for....
Jimmy and his riffs RULE!!!!
Debbielee http//www.netwrx/users/lizrdfax/debbie.htm
(Just pictures of me)
DEBBIELEE
> (Just pictures of me)
>
Sorry came to make a correction
dbea...@pond.com
DEBBIELEE wrote:
>
> In article <52etdo$n...@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com>, ujo...@pclprod.meaddata.com (Greg Jones) writes:
> >In article <52d2cb$q...@news.istar.ca>, Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> writes:
>
> >|> Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
> >|> > > > >>>Eddie, he'll look like a fool!!
> >|> > > > >>
> >|> > > > >>haha.. sorry high-pitch whinnnn-ie guitar does not mean you are the best..
> >|> > > > >>hah.. eddie could never lay down the song the way jimmy did, give eddie an
> >|> > > > >>acoustic and watch him start to cry.. "what is this?!.." ahhaha..
> >|> > > > >>
> >|> > > > >>long live the 2 jimmys..
> >|> > > > >>hendrix/page the best ever!
> >|> > > > >>(in my opinion)
> >|> > > >
> >|> > > > >Jimmy Page has nothing to prove. His body of work with Zep speaks
> >|> > > > >for itself. Carl
>
> I totally agree. Led Zep will go down in history as one of the greatest/
> They wrote songs to die for....
> Jimmy and his riffs RULE!!!!
>
> (Just pictures of me)
walter golac
ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
They wrote songs that will kill you you mean. How could you listen to
that HORRIBLE racket. It sounds like nails on a blackboard!! The
guitar playing is soooo cheap, the name jimmy page makes me want to
throw up. Now go cry you babies!!
Chris litfin
walter golac (wgo...@netcom.ca) wrote:
: ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
I wont even try to tell you how much you are missing out on.
You poor fool...
You poor, poor fool...
chris
DEBBIELEE
In article <52n4jo$b...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, wgo...@netcom.ca (walter golac) writes:
>ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
>
>>In article <52etdo$n...@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com>, ujo...@pclprod.meaddata.com (Greg Jones) writes:
>>>In article <52d2cb$q...@news.istar.ca>, Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> writes:
>
>>I totally agree. Led Zep will go down in history as one of the greatest/
>>They wrote songs to die for....
>>Jimmy and his riffs RULE!!!!
>
>They wrote songs that will kill you you mean. How could you listen to
>that HORRIBLE racket. It sounds like nails on a blackboard!! The
>guitar playing is soooo cheap, the name jimmy page makes me want to
>throw up. Now go cry you babies!!
>
up to par. What really matters are the songs that they wrote...
Hey I am into yngwie Malmsten and other speed guitarists. And then
I am into Eric Jhnson where tone is everything. Still Jimmy Page
out shines them all
Debbie lee
>
>
DEBBIELEE
In article <52hasa$s...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, wgo...@netcore.ca (Walter Golac) writes:
>Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> wrote:
>
>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>>> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
Oh here we go the whole speed issue thing.
Wow I love the whole speed thing. There's Yngwie Malmsteen, Tony Macalpine
Greg Howe etc.... Damn they are all great, but really none of them wrote
music that even comes to being 1/2 as good as Jimmy.
So what if Jimmy was a sloppy player, he wrote good music and that is all
that counts.
Debbielee http://www.netwrx.net/users/lizrdfax/debbie.htm
(Just pictures of me)
DEBBIELEE
In article <52q9lg$r...@library.airnews.net>, rasp...@airmail.net (James Bishop) writes:
>ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
>
>
>>>>> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
>>>>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>
>>Oh here we go the whole speed issue thing.
>>Wow I love the whole speed thing. There's Yngwie Malmsteen, Tony Macalpine
>>Greg Howe etc.... Damn they are all great, but really none of them wrote
>>music that even comes to being 1/2 as good as Jimmy.
>>So what if Jimmy was a sloppy player, he wrote good music and that is all
>>that counts.
>Exactly.
>
>The thing that kills me about Eddie Van Halen is that almost EVERYONE
>misses where his true talent lies. Eddie is pretty much an average
>soloist. I've known a zillion guitar players who are about a dime a
>dozen who can burn and do headley waddley's. If you want to talk
>solos, the discussion pretty much ends with Dave Gilmour.
Really...
>Eddie wasn't the first guy to tap, either. That's like saying Kim
>Thayil invented dropped-D tuning. Sure, Eddie was the first guy to
>make it popular and mainstream it, but he didn't invent anything.
>What makes Eddie a great player are his rhythms. The little things he
>does during the verses and within the structure of the chords are what
>set Eddie apart from all of those other flashy tappers.
Exactly....
>Page on the other hand was an absolute master of putting different
>sections and riffs together to make a song. Again, people miss the
>point on Page as well. Page was not Led Zeppelin. He was an very key
>part of the team that made some great albums from a host of different
>influences. To me, that's what makes Zeppelin one of the greatest
>bands ever; they did so many things.
In agreement
debbielee
Greg Jones
In article <52q9lg$r...@library.airnews.net>, rasp...@airmail.net (James Bishop) writes:
|> ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
|>
|>
|> >>>> > > Ya, it proves how horrible he is. Eddie could play faster with his
|> >>>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
|>
|> >Oh here we go the whole speed issue thing.
|> >Wow I love the whole speed thing. There's Yngwie Malmsteen, Tony Macalpine
|> >Greg Howe etc.... Damn they are all great, but really none of them wrote
|> >music that even comes to being 1/2 as good as Jimmy.
|> >So what if Jimmy was a sloppy player, he wrote good music and that is all
|> >that counts.
|>
|> Exactly.
|>
|> The thing that kills me about Eddie Van Halen is that almost EVERYONE
|> misses where his true talent lies. Eddie is pretty much an average
|> soloist. I've known a zillion guitar players who are about a dime a
|> dozen who can burn and do headley waddley's. If you want to talk
|> solos, the discussion pretty much ends with Dave Gilmour.
|>
|> Thayil invented dropped-D tuning. Sure, Eddie was the first guy to
|> make it popular and mainstream it, but he didn't invent anything.
|> What makes Eddie a great player are his rhythms. The little things he
|> does during the verses and within the structure of the chords are what
|> set Eddie apart from all of those other flashy tappers.
|>
|> sections and riffs together to make a song. Again, people miss the
|> point on Page as well. Page was not Led Zeppelin. He was an very key
|> part of the team that made some great albums from a host of different
|> influences. To me, that's what makes Zeppelin one of the greatest
|> bands ever; they did so many things.
|>
Ed Mumaw
Two Words: D'jango Reinhardt. Try to play with two fingers and a thumb.
Freeze
Why don't you folks start your own NG, alt.fan.jimmy.page or whatever.
This thread is too long and too OLD!!
Freeze
DEBBIELEE
at times. Technically skilled players are a dime a dozen and can easily
be hired.
Debbielee
d...@gsilink.com
I think that you are missing the point here.
Jimmy P.`s influence was felt most strongly during the seventies when
he helped define the *classic* rock guitar sound, moves, cliches etc.
At that time his playing was "state of the art" and inspired countless
other guitarists (including myself).
Eddy vh`s style was influenced by people such as Page, Clapton etc.
(In interviews, Eddie has often cited Clapton as his strongest
influence).
IMHO, Eddie has taken the guitar to new heights, but this does not
negate the importance of players such as Page who preceeded him.
Yes, Page does sound dated in comparison to today`s top players, but
this does not mean that his contribution to rock guitar`s development
should be treated with contempt.
No doubt in 20 yrs time someone will be complaining that Eddie sounds
slow as compared to the current hot shot player...
Dave.
______________________________________________________________
LIFE...."A spiritual pickle preserving the body from decay..."
Jeffrey Potoff
d...@gsilink.com wrote:
>
> I think that you are missing the point here.
> Jimmy P.`s influence was felt most strongly during the seventies when
> he helped define the *classic* rock guitar sound, moves, cliches etc.
> At that time his playing was "state of the art" and inspired countless
> other guitarists (including myself).
>
> Eddy vh`s style was influenced by people such as Page, Clapton etc.
> (In interviews, Eddie has often cited Clapton as his strongest
> influence).
And you can hear it in his solos. He, while being very original,
uses many Claptonesque phrases. On Van Halen's 1984 tour
they used to break into 'Sitting On Top Of the World' in
the middle of Eruption. Very cool.
Jeff
Carl Fiadino
ray...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (DEBBIELEE) wrote:
>In article <52hasa$s...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, wgo...@netcore.ca (Walter Golac) writes:
>>Hurley <hur...@istar.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Underrated?? He's soo overrated, & so is Led Zep!! Put him next to
>
>>>> > > feet than jimmy could with his hands. Eddie created a style than
>
>Oh here we go the whole speed issue thing.
>Wow I love the whole speed thing. There's Yngwie Malmsteen, Tony Macalpine
>Greg Howe etc.... Damn they are all great, but really none of them wrote
>music that even comes to being 1/2 as good as Jimmy.
>So what if Jimmy was a sloppy player, he wrote good music and that is all
>that counts.
>
> (Just pictures of me)
The hell with Van Halen, You're CUTE! Carl
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
Carlos Grau (Mat...@concentric.net) wrote:
: John Bushong <jbus...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote:
Hey fella, don't demean the accordion!! If you do, you're just asking
for it. Walter Osternak, a gaggle of zydeco musicians, the Brave Combo,
and the ghost of Enka singer Hibari Misora will come and beat you up for
harming the rep of an instrument that means so much to them. :-)
tim gueguen ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Rob Dobson
>: Funny I thought he played the accordian.
>Hey fella, don't demean the accordion!! If you do, you're just asking
>for it. Walter Osternak, a gaggle of zydeco musicians, the Brave Combo,
>and the ghost of Enka singer Hibari Misora will come and beat you up for
>harming the rep of an instrument that means so much to them. :-)
>
>tim gueguen ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Not to mention Weird Al Yankovic. And I bet he could really hurt you.
Stevie Rob