I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
concert.
At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
It put me on my ass more than once.
I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
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KISS - You want the best, you got the best! reunion tour at the Nutter
Center in Dayton, OH. It was so loud, that the PA seemed pushed too far and
the sound wasn't that good. It had a shrill to it that almost hurt. BUT, it
was good to see the guys back together and at it again...
> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
Without a doubt Motörhead at TMV in Trondheim 1985. They had complaints
coming from people living five miles away, and I was more or less deaf for
several hours after the show.
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About six rows back from Nugent at an amphitheater when he was with Damn
Yankees. It would part your hair. Starting line, Martin Dragway, nightime,
Nitro Funny Cars, NOTHING like it for shear power, sound and fury!
Both were pretty damn loud!
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In 1971 or so, guitars for the heavy British bands still came out of the
backline amps. I'd seen Page play Winterland (5000 capacity?) on their second
stop in San Francisco using one Marshall stack. It was *perfect.* The best I
ever heard em play or sound, though Page was still using a fuzz box. Even
though he finally had his Marshall and Les Paul, he hadn't cut the cord from
the magic box which fooled the world on Zep 1. Sounded fine. Btw, this was 2
months before the Earls Court concert was filmed (in Jan, 1970 and yes, I was 1
year old) which was released on last year's Zep DVD set.
The next time Zep came to town -probably summer 1970- they played the Oakland
Coliseum Arena. There were only a handful of rock acts popular enough to play
that 15,000 seat arena in those days - Cream and Hendrix both did. The Stones
did. Zep helped create arena rock -at least the commercial viability of rock
bands touring arenas, then stadiums- with their massive popularity.
At the Coliseum, Page played through 2 Marshall stacks. No fuzz box (though he
did the stuff with the echo and violin bow, natch). He was getting the classic
LP into Marshall tone that you hear on parts of Zep II -and on most of their
tours after that. 2 Marshalls blasting off the stage, JP Jones used 2 Acoustic
360 bass amps - the workhorse bass amp of that time. The only thing coming
through the PA was Plant's voice and the snare and kick drum. Nobody ever
sounds great in Oakland, but Zeppelin sounded darn good- especially considering
the time and the primitive PA. They were loud but it was good loud.
In 1971 the Who had done a series of very loud, very well received shows at the
small (5000 seats again) Berkeley Community Theater. It got them major good
press in Rolling Stone. I think (Rolling Stone co-founder/music critic) Ralph
J. Gleason called them the best rock band in the world or somesuch after the
Who pretty much devastated the place. Check out the newly released "Who at the
Isle of Wight" DVD for a taste of what they were up to around this time. It's
like Seeing them play 'Live At Leeds" with "Tommy" tossed in. Great stuff.
Townshend's not a great lead player but he's one of the great rock guitarists.
This DVD shows why.
So Zeppelin, who were actually the most popular and -yes- probably the best
rock band in the world that year (and for several years) got a bit bent by the
press the Who got when they played Berkeley.
When it came time for Zeppelin to play the Bay Area again that same year,
instead of doing 2 nights (or whatever) at the Oakland Arena again, they booked
themselves into-surprise!- Berkeley Community Theater for 3 nights. Guess they
figured they'd show Rolling Stone what was what and who was best. I mean the
Who wasn't the best. whatever.
I was pretty jazzed when I managed to get a ticket to one of the shows. Zep
were huge then. Biggest rock band in the world. They coulda sold out 6 nights
there.
Townshend was using HiWatts at the time- a louder, cleaner amp than Marshalls.
They're a great amp for him. Check him out playing through a couple on that
Isle of Wight DVD. Page decided to go with HiWatts on this tour as well. (I
think Martin Barre of Tull did too. there was a year or two when a bunch of the
heavy bands used HiWatts).
I don't know how many HiWatts Townshend used at Berkeley-and Townshend uses a
lot of dynamics, turning the guitar down for quiet stuff, using a fuzzbox for
big riffs and leads - such as he can play leads.
I do know how many HiWatts Page used in that small hall: 3. And they were all
on and working. And it was loud as hell. I had a 100 watt Marshall 1959
SuperLead at home so I was used to very loud playing- but this was too much.
Page cranked em up for his grind - and the HiWatts being the cleaner amp they
are- he had to crank them damn loud to get his natural distortion going.
I wound up tearing my ticket into pieces and plugging my ears with it. That
helped some and I was able to enjoy the concert. Zep was again good that night,
but it would be the last time I saw them as I didn't like their new albums
after the one they debuted that night. As usual, the album hadn't been released
yet and Zep played about half the songs off it. It was a good one. Led Zep IV.
When they played Stairway to Heaven (none of us had ever heard it before) we
thought it was good, a bit of a different kinda song for them, the double neck
electric 6-12 string had a cools sound. And it ended with the band completely
stopping and Robert Plant singing acapella: "And she's buying a stairway
to....heaven."
"Nice tune," I told my girlfriend. (we had any idea it would become-what it
became).
"What'd you say?" she asked.
"Huh? What was that? My ears are ringing "
etc,
"Rock and Roll" and "Levee Breaks" were much louder. Still a good show. Not as
good as the other times I'd seen - and heard em.
My ears were ringing the next day and it was the probably the first time the
thought ever entered my head that you could have too much of a good thing: Les
Pauls into British stacks. Jimmy Page had used one extra 100 watt stack, a
third one -and Cranked it- to play a place less than 1/3 the size of the place
he'd played the year before with just two and sounded fine in. Ouch.
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Hey, I saw Damn Yankees and I thought they kicked ass. It was loud but it was
great. Nugent left his PRS laying on the floor feeding back for about a minute
after they finished. Finally a roadie came out, picked it up and turned it off.
Rock and Roll! First time I ever saw a PRS, now that I think of it..
Maybe they weren't as loud as the show the other guy saw as they were opening
this one -for Bad Company (without Paul Roger).
Damn Yankees rocked. Bad Co pretty much sucked.
Steve
> When it came time for Zeppelin to play the Bay Area again that
> same year, instead of doing 2 nights (or whatever) at the Oakland
> Arena again, they booked themselves into-surprise!- Berkeley
> Community Theater for 3 nights. Guess they figured they'd show
> Rolling Stone what was what and who was best. I mean the Who
> wasn't the best. whatever.
...
> When they played Stairway to Heaven (none of us had ever heard it
> before) we thought it was good, a bit of a different kinda song
> for them, the double neck electric 6-12 string had a cools sound.
> And it ended with the band completely stopping and Robert Plant
> singing acapella: "And she's buying a stairway to....heaven."
I think this is the performance I have on a bootleg called "Going to
California". It's one of my favorite live albums of all time. It's
strange to hear the beginning of Stairway with no applause, considering
what a crowd favorite it became.
Big Sugar at a small venue in Vancouver. Only time I've ever left a
show becuase it was too loud.
Chris
A toss up between Van Halen or Ted Nugent, both in the Seattle Center Coliseum
(now remodeled and called Key Area), both around 1979 or 1980.
I like my music LOUD, but both of these shows were INSANE.
Black Flag, small club, 1985. JEEBUS that was crushingly loud.
> that bootleg was recorded here at the LA Forum
It does say that on the cover, and I thought so for years, but I've
more recently heard that is wrong, and that it was actually recorded
either in Berkeley or Oakland. I'll look that up and post a reference
for us.
> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
a toss-up between seeing Brian May on his solo tour in '93 at The
Music Hall (who knew that AC30s could be so loud? And he had Cozy Powell
on drums) and King Crimson on the THRAK tour at Massey Hall (I was
sticking my fingers in my ears to block out the excess sound, only to
look and see Robert Fripp staring at me and scowling, as if to say "if
you find it so painful, why did you come?")
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Emerson, Lake and Palmer at the Cap Center in Largo MD. They were so loud I
damned near stopped going to concerts.
Cheers,
Rob Weaver
the black crowes opening for Robert plant..
ottawa civic centre...late 80's...
Plant was as loud..but the sound quality was better
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For those too young to remember, Blue Cheer was a trio rip on Cream/Hendrix,
with the collective talent of a third rate junior high garage band.
Unfortunately for anyone within several miles, they had enough money to buy
six 100w Marshall stacks, 3 each for guitar & bass (I mean, if Jimi, Noel,
Eric & Jack each used two, well then they needed three) and ran them wide
open.
Mercury records signed these dickheads to a major contract and released one
album in early '68. It was was so bad a friend threw it out a tenth story
hotel window in downtown Philly.
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the distorted sound on the vocals on "USA" in 21stC schizoid must have been
one loud fucking concert.
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hehe . . . that's the spirit ! !
I agree. I saw Queensryche in a small club in Atlanta and it was so loud it
was painful.
> I think small rooms are louder rooms. Leslie West at the Palladium
> in '71.
Was that West Bruce and Lang? I saw them at the Palladium in L.A - are
you talking about the same concert? That was, if not the actual
loudest, one of the most painful.
I think the two loudest I heard were Deep Purple at the Long Beach
Arena, must have been about 1972, and Led Zeppelin at the San Diego
Sports Arena in 1975. Both were so loud and distorted you could barely
distinguish what was going on on stage.
The Screamin' Cheetah Wheelies in 1999 opening up for Lynyrd Skynyrd ZZ
Top.
I sat in the 7th row right in front of two Orange Amp stacks. It felt like
I was getting hit with a ball bat right in the chest. It was painfully
loud. Metallica 1988 was god awful loud too.
winnard
You have my sympathy! ;-)
<Still have it. Played for my son to show him how bad some "big" groups can
be. His reponse "That sucks". They were
truly awful.<
The record was bad enough, but to be forced to hear them live was simply an
insult. The group I was with at the time (HP Lovecraft) was on the same
Fillmore/Winterland billing, as was Traffic. A mercy killing would have been
in order, at least a power outage. Blue Cheer was without doubt the most
godawful band I ever heard.
You undoubtedly took the brown acid: Name one good track, indeed, name ONE
track they all ended on the same beat! Had they lasted another month, heavy
metal would have been banned as a violation of the Geneva convention!
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Went and tested some new guitars the next day and almost got removed from a few
Guitar places for playing too loud. I was as deaf as a post for at least a day
and a half. Learned my lesson and always have earlpugs now.
Got an SG that day...wish I still had it!
Rob
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> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
> I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than
> that concert.
>
> At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
> It put me on my ass more than once.
>
> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
>
>
Hmmmm?
That's a hard one.
Robin Trower at the Stone Pony (Asbury Park, NJ).
Black Sabbath, Madison Square Garden, Mob Rules tour.
Yes. The loudest concert I've ever been to. Criminally loud. I was in bed
THREE NIGHTS LATER furious from not being able to sleep for the ringing in
my ears. Have you ever heard something so loud your ears literally close up
but the sound seems to literally penetrate your bones? That was that
concert.
>Was that West Bruce and Lang? I saw them at the Palladium in L.A - are you
talking about the same concert? That was, if not the actual loudest, one of the
most painful.
Sounds like the same show. West played his little Melody Maker type guitar and
also a Flying V. His solo spot included some themes from Tommy. Let's see ...
Bruce wore a green sparkle jacket and played his EB3 like a monster ...
>> Was that West Bruce and Lang? I saw them at the Palladium in L.A -
>> are you talking about the same concert? That was, if not the actual
>> loudest, one of the most painful.
>
> Sounds like the same show. West played his little Melody Maker
> type guitar and also a Flying V. His solo spot included some
> themes from Tommy. Let's see ... Bruce wore a green sparkle jacket
> and played his EB3 like a monster ...
I remember Leslie's Melody Maker/Les Paul Jr. I remember that they
played some Cream songs, maybe "Sunshine of Your Love" and
"Politician".
But to tell you the truth, I really don't remember much else about the
show, except that it was terrifically late starting, it was so loud
that it hurt, the band seemed kinda out of it and pissed off, and the
audience was way drugged out. I remember stepping in several pools of
vomit.
Lawrence Welk would not have enjoyed it.
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> It does say that on the cover, and I thought so for years, but
> I've more recently heard that is wrong, and that it was actually
> recorded either in Berkeley or Oakland. I'll look that up and post
> a reference for us.
According to several web sites I found, the bootleg "Going to
California" was recorded at the Berkeley Community on Septermber 14,
1971, not at the L.A. Forum.
>> Sounds like the same show. West played his little Melody Maker type guitar
and also a Flying V. His solo spot included some themes from Tommy. Let's see
... Bruce wore a green sparkle jacket and played his EB3 like a monster ...
>I remember Leslie's Melody Maker/Les Paul Jr. I remember that they played some
Cream songs, maybe "Sunshine of Your Love" and "Politician".
I remember "Sunshine of Your Love." They started playing it and West gestured
to Bruce "sing it!"
>But to tell you the truth, I really don't remember much else about the show,
except that it was terrifically late starting, it was so loud that it hurt, the
band seemed kinda out of it and pissed off, and the audience was way drugged
out. I remember stepping in several pools of vomit.
It was WAY loud. I wandered to the back of the hall and it was even louder. I
later learned this is called "room gain."
>Lawrence Welk would not have enjoyed it.
I had a blast. Interesting note: I put my fingers in my ears at one point and
what I heard was the plink-plink sound of an electric guitar unplugged.
> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
> I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
> concert.
>
> At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
> It put me on my ass more than once.
>
> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
>
>
KISS, Lick it Up tour, Binghamton NY, 1984? Whenever they took their
make-up off.
Vinnie Vincent's awful guitar solo sounded like ten million squealing
dolphins, 200,000 bees buzzing, 50,000 pairs of long fingernails
screeching their way down a brand new blackboard, all at the same time.
The bass thump was not good for the heart.
My hearing was 70% out for almost two weeks.
And there were people practically sitting in the bass bins, as if they
were cool.
> A toss up between Van Halen or Ted Nugent, both in the Seattle Center Coliseum
> (now remodeled and called Key Area), both around 1979 or 1980.
>
> I like my music LOUD, but both of these shows were INSANE.
Yep, Nugent circa 79' was definately the loudest I ever experienced.
Blue Oyster Cult played just before him at the show I saw, and I had
just told myself they were the loudest damn band I would every want to
hear, then Ted started up, swung down onto the stage in his Tarzan
outfit, and was even louder..
>Front row at a gymnasium MC5 & Stooges concert.
the one that stands out for me was billy thorpe and the aztecs at
berties in melbourne in 1968.....they had 50 quad boxes on the very
small stage...the room was really small about 150 pople packed in like
sardines.....prolly not the loudest but certainly we were well over
the pain level.....a couple of years earlier, thorpie as he was known
was playin a pub in sydney [cant remember which one] and they had a
huge fish aquarium across the back of the room....it was so fucking
load that the sound pressure levels smashed the glass aquarium and
there were dead fish and water everywhere...... thorpie pioneered
swearing on stage in those days...if anybody can remeber when you
couldn't say fuck on stage....he used to get the crowd in a frenzy and
start yelling fuck to bait the cops......they had two choices, arrest
him and contend with the riot that would follow the cancelled show or
just let him go....they arrested him a couple of times but they soon
learned it just wasnt worth it
relloman
>relloman
Man! Those were the *days!
Their "death-star" of a fold-back/PA system didn't help.
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>For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
>I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
>concert.
>
>At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
>It put me on my ass more than once.
>
> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
>
Blue Cheer
Fillmore East, I remember them announcing it was 104 DB after the show
Steve £
> On 23-10-04 17:20, in article 2tvb8jF...@uni-berlin.de,
> "Slippery" <Slip...@gargle.cum> wrote:
>
>> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
> Without a doubt Motörhead at TMV in Trondheim 1985. They had
> complaints coming from people living five miles away, and I was more
> or less deaf for several hours after the show.
>
> mac
>
Definitely agree with the MotorHead answer. I opened for them during the
'Bastards' tour, and it was certainly the loudest I ever was!!!
Funny little anecdote from that show. After we played, I was standing
sidestage watching the band perform... I was next to a rack of power amps
that started to smoke up. My initial reaction was, "Oh my God, this
thing is on fire! They're going to lose the PA!!" So I tapped the
shoulder of the roadie (God knows we couldn't talk with Motorhead on
stage) and he just looked at it like it was the most common thing in the
world, and just swung a fan around to blow air on it - that was it - he
went back to his business. I remember thinking to myself, "Boy, this must
happen all the time to them!" :)
Motorhead at the Glasgow Apollo (RIP), early 80s, for me. My ears rang
for days.
Halmyre
Hawkwind 1987 St Albans, I fell asleep on the stage with my head against a
bass speaker.
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>After years of waiting for a sensible reply to a Usenet post, the best
>Halmyre could come up with is this:
>
>> Alex van Starrex wrote:
>>> I was by the side of the stage during Plant/Page in Sydney and boy
>>> was it loud.
>>>
>>> Their "death-star" of a fold-back/PA system didn't help.
>>>
>>
>> Motorhead at the Glasgow Apollo (RIP), early 80s, for me. My ears rang
>> for days.
>>
>> Halmyre
>
>Hawkwind 1987 St Albans, I fell asleep on the stage with my head against a
>bass speaker.
You didn't fall asleep, Slump. You passed out.
Tony
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:46:21 +0100, "slumpy" <not...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>After years of waiting for a sensible reply to a Usenet post, the best
>>Halmyre could come up with is this:
>>
>>> Alex van Starrex wrote:
>>>> I was by the side of the stage during Plant/Page in Sydney and boy
>>>> was it loud.
>>>>
>>>> Their "death-star" of a fold-back/PA system didn't help.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Motorhead at the Glasgow Apollo (RIP), early 80s, for me. My ears
>>> rang for days.
>>>
>>> Halmyre
>>
>>Hawkwind 1987 St Albans, I fell asleep on the stage with my head
>>against a bass speaker.
>
> You didn't fall asleep, Slump. You passed out.
>
>
> Tony
Well kind of, yeah. it was my birthday the next day I think [not too sure]
so i was pretty drunk and stoned off my face. Remember skinning up on a
monitor and watching the roadies throwing other people off the stage and
leaving me alone. Had a great party afterwards backstage as well. :-)
Yngwie and his band were very loud and the sound was wretched. His
solos just sounded like sirens; no note-definition anywhere. He wore a
shiny purple cape, and flipped the guitar around his shoulder and
tossed picks to the crowd at least 100 times. There was much striking
of poses.
And then...
Triumph was the loudest thing on earth, ever. Rik Emmett's classical
guitar solo was like being stabbed in the ear with icicles, and when
he hit those vocal high notes, it was just unbearable.
"Hold your head up hiiiiiiiiiiiigh!" <sound of glass shattering>
I had wadded-up paper towels from the men's room stuffed into my ears,
and it still hurt. I think we left early. I was 15 or 16 at the time,
and I remember being concerned for days afterwards that my hearing
might never return to normal.
Either it did get better, or I just got used to this level of
deafness.
-dave
www.themoodrings.com
JJ (UK)
My cousin saw a guy pass out and fall head first into a cab at a concert.
Nobody even flinched (nor helped him...). I'd have hated to be him the next
day.
Joe
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> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
hc
Must've been in New York. We love that shit.
I once saw a woman, carrying lots of folders and workpapers trying to
get a cab. One pulled over for her, and as she ran to get it, she
tripped over a lump in the pavement and fell face-first into the cab
door. My friend and I saw the whole scenario unfold right in front of
our eyes, and we laughed so hard we were hyperventilating.
Welcome to New York.
Tony
Dire Straits, Edmonton 1985, Northlands Colliseum. My ears rang for three
days after that.
AC/DC or Sabbath, both 1982 in SLC. Too loud, really. No point after
a certain level.
RUSH??? Seen them in Vegas in 2002 or 03 & SLC on Signals tour.
Wouldn't even make my top 100 loudest.
People may be surprised but Dire Straits were *extremely* loud. Unsafely loud
IMO.
I've seen them twice. PNE in Vancouver, the volume was just right.
Here in Saskatoon at Saskplace (hockey arena), too loud for the venue
and their style of music, but not unsafe.
George Thorogood and the Destroyers were just too damn loud. They were
playing the local symphony hall, way too loud for the excellent
acoustics. Same problem when I saw Collective Soul there. Seemed like
they were set up for an arena show, they had the amps stacked to the
ceiling in a 2000 seat concert hall.
How about best sound? In a concert hall, for me it was Cowboy Junkies
at Jack Singer in Calgary. Beautiful. In a stadium, it was David Bowie
at the Edmonton Colluseum during the Let's Dance tour. I never believed
you could get that quality of sound in a 60,000 seat football stadium.
Amazingly clear and clean, and plenty loud too.
Neil
Stevie Ray Vaughan, at the old Wellington Town Hall, New Zealand - about 1993.
Stewbaby,
NZ
The Who at the LA Coliseum in '81. 90,000 in attendance. Big. Loud. Clean. The
Clash opened.
Rush were never real loud..but they always had the best
soudn quality i've heard
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For me it's a toss-up between Motorhead in Pittsburgh in the early 80s,
and Shellac/Don Caballero/Rodan in the early 90s. The latter show may
well have had Motorhead beat--it was an academic auditorium, and the
rows of seats were bolted to the floor. The entire row of seats we were
in were *shaking*. I was very, very glad I was wearing hearing
protection in both cases, but only Shellac and Don Cab shook the seats.
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I never got whacked bad from VH...Never was that close. But that
frigging Eric Johnson has nearly killed my ears twice now. Once was
about 15 years ago. The latest, just this last summer. I vaguely
remember seeing some band in the summit, that nearly gave me ear
damage, but I can't remember what band it was...
Was a looooonnnnng time ago....But as far as I accurately remember,
Eric Johnson has nailed my ears as bad or worse than anyone else. I
saw him at the continental club about 2-3 months ago, and it nearly
killed me. #1, I had to stand up the whole time. My back nearly gave
out on me...
#2, I was on his left side right, right in front of his marshall combo
lead channel, and that loud ass bastard nearly killed me. I'm talking
painful loud, quick! I'm talking nearly wincing from ear pain...I
actually had to wrap up balls of paper napkins to use as psuedo ear
plugs. That helped some, but then the tone was all screwed up...I was
nearly deaf the whole way home...I'd stop at a traffic light, and all
I would hear is *hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm*......Hardly
hear my engine running...
It's no wonder he has had ear troubles...He's plays LOUD!!!!!
Of course, the location you are in greatly effects how strong the
pressure is..
I seem to find the *bad* spots...:/
He also did this to me another time across town at Rockafellers about
15 years ago...I had a table seat in front of his
PA.....Ouch....Envision the old Pat Travers album cover picture with
the hair blown back, clothes shredded, etc.."....I ended up moving to
a different seat that time...
He's playing here again Nov 4....But it's acoustic and piano...Should
be fairly easy on the ears....MK
JUNKIE
rush gush mush
old women
In a club setting:
AEROSMITH at the Paradise (a sneak show in '97, advertised as another band).
At a rehearsal :
The J. Geils Band rehearsing on Union Ave in Boston (circa 1976)
I heard him at the Beacon Theater in NYC back in '91 and sat about half way
back, fairly well in the center of the place. Used ear plugs as always but
still thought he was fairly loud during his power stuff. He uses a lot of
dynamic contrasts which reduces some of the pressure. His multi-amp &
gizmo-laden setup certainly rocks where tone's concerned, but I doubt it's
really necessary to bulk it up quite that much.
I am always amazed people go into an environment like that without hearing
protection. I've been at concerts where I'd finally just get up and leave,
it would be beyoind the threshold of pain and impossible to distinguish
anything in the mix. In those cases one often wonders who the Hell does the
mix or if the musicians are sober enough to even care.
> It's no wonder he has had ear troubles...He's plays LOUD!!!!! <
I hadn't heard he was having hearing trouble, but years of exposure to
unsafe volume levels has damaged lots of folks hearing, me included.
> He's playing here again Nov 4....But it's acoustic and piano...Should
be fairly easy on the ears....MK<
An interesting switch. He used to do a couple acoustic pieces during each
show which was a nice contrast.
One clue to the guy's musicianship is that his early study of piano gave him
strong roots in chord structure & theory. Some of the voicings he uses shows
he's got a complete grasp of the basics. I'm still not sure if the guy can
really tell the diffderence between the brans of batteries in his effects,
but he sure the Hell can play!
Guess Ed turned down a bit later on, or at least found a way to control his
volume and still get the tone he wanted, though admittedly his tone evolved
over the years... Around 1992 I saw Van Hagar from the 4th row. Ed was using
his standard 90s rig of three amps/stacks: a master 5150s driving 1 'dry' in
the middle and 2 'wet/with a little eventide harmonizer (chorus) slave rigs to
split the sound on the outside amps/cabs.
My friend and I definitely caught all his guitar sound coming off the stage and
he sure as hell played loud, but it was good to listen too. He was in peak
form, (semi)-sober and had a lot of energy. He played incredibly all night and
never hit a weird note, course his style takes in a lot of different sounds.
We both expected to have hearing issues the next day (I'll admit to missing a
few 'high's in my hearing as I left the concert that night) but everything was
fine. IIrc, we tried to get complimentary earplugs before the show but the
venue had run out. I like loud rock and roll and these were some of the best
seats I'd ever gotten so we just went for it.
His 5150 sound is thicker and less bitey than what I've heard on vids and live
boots from the Marshall/Roth days and this could explain why it our hearing
wasn't too trashed. Also we were close enough to see Ed's ears and he wasn't
wearing any plugs (unless the were clear or something) - so he was playing loud
enough to get his own juices flowing.
EVH developed a system of running him master 5150 head into a Palmer speaker
emulator a few years before this show. Before the (last) lead singer debacle
VH got tons of press and you'd always see his this rig discussed in the guitar
mags.
The 3 amp/cab rig gave/gives him a bunch of control on his volume. The head
feeding the emulator is cranked to the sweetspot in input and power tube
distortion. This master signal is then fed to other heads power amps (used to
be H+Hs I think) which can be set at any level to drive his dry and wet boxes
onstage. IIrc, there's also a feed to another amp which drives a box for Alex
or on the other side of the stage so the other 2 players can hear him, (though
I don't think it matters much to D. Anthony exactly what Ed's doing:)
Even though he has a lot of control on volume, Ed did play Loud though and
moved a lot of air. I'm pretty sure they mic-ed his speaker boxes and probably
take a tap of the emulator direct to the board. But EVH is not a
direct-to-the-board sounding guy. I was kinda surprised he used a speaker
emulator...until I heard how perfectly he dialed in his sound with it.
Eddie Van Halen is a gearhead (to a point) besides being a master rock
guitarist.
He handbuilt and the guitar that introduced his first sound to the world and
came up with a lot of innovations to move the sound of rock guitar to the next
level in the late 70s, with legends of variacs and amp mods to help get that
Marshall sounding so great. At the time, it was a big and new sounding tone for
rock guitar.
The emulator thing aside, Ed's basic setup has always been pretty simple- it's
all about producing a huge pure, liquid tone...after that: a guitar with a
Floyd, a little bit of modulation used more for 'space/spread' than
'effect'....he does the rest with his hands.
----------------
I posted earlier about a Zep concert being the one that stood out as my loudest
experience.
Another one which snuck up on me was Cheap Trick in a 1500 or so capacity club
in the 80s. Neilsen played through a couple of Marshalls loud and with a
generally middy, bitey tone. Not the best tone I've ever heard by a long shot,
but it didn't suck and it served him well for what he was doing.
When we left I noticed everything was muffled in my hearing. The next day it
was only a little better and I began to be concerned. After all the great- and
loud- rock concerts I'd been to - and to have my hearing damaged by freakin
Cheap Trick at just an 'ok' show??!! The next day it returned to what is normal
for me.
Had to be something in the way he set his Marshalls. I've read stories over the
years that it took 'em awhile to record their breakthrough live album in 1979.
One bigtime producer in those days said that while Rick's a good player, his
live tone was almost unrecordable/unuseable on a record back then. The same guy
mentioned another fairly famous player as having similar tonal/distortion
issues with live tone, but I can't remember who it was..
If you listen to "I Want You To Want Me" the guitar is mixed kinda back for a
power trio, but it sure works as a record.
I'm sure Rick's tone is better or maybe less loud 'seeming' now, what with CT
playing a variety of venues thesedays including the fair circuit -though
they'll always be a Rock band. With all the improvements in amps and pedals in
the last 15-20 years, almost everybody's tone is better - or at least more
under control now.
Mesa/Recto full volume thrash genres/tones -and stage volume- aside...If a
concert by a major artist is too loud or sounds distorted and crappy thesedays,
you might wanta point a finger at the soundman and/or the PA company.
Lousy/distorted house sound will appear to be 'louder' than relatively clean
('good') sound at the same DBs.
imo,
Steve
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:48:15 -0400, "Marcel" <cestm...@sympatico.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Kiss, way way back when....lol.
>>
>
>
>
>for me it was Neil Young Rust Never Sleeps tour.
>
>Show opened with just him on acoustic guitar and piano and everybdy
>was serously diggin the hippie vibe.
>
>then he goes off for a break and comes back on with Crazy Horse and
>they fired it up to beyond painful levels. People all around me
>sticking their fingers in their ears... and not just from revulsion to
>any one note guitar solos. that entire show was ridiculous loud.
>
>
Yeah, that was a loud show. Revolvoving stage too.
Real cool.
Tony
Guess he got even louder after he died.
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Blue Cheer is a cult legend for any guitarist or rock fan. No, they
didnt have Jimi's or Eric's talent whatsoever on guitar, but their
vocalist (Turk Peterson?) was absolutely fantastic and their crushing
grueling Marshall grind was extremely innovative. If there was no Blue
Cheer, Black Sabbath wouldnot have been who they were. Ditto
Metallica.
Slippery wrote:
> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
> I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
> concert.
>
> At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
> It put me on my ass more than once.
>
> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
>
>
--
Opportunity only knocks once. If you hear a
second knock, it's probably a Jehovah's Witness.
Guncho wrote:
> "Slippery" <Slip...@gargle.cum> wrote in message news:<2tvb8jF...@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>>For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>>
>>I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
>>concert.
>>
>>At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound.
>>It put me on my ass more than once.
>>
>> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
>
>
> Big Sugar at a small venue in Vancouver. Only time I've ever left a
> show becuase it was too loud.
>
> Chris
> For me AC/DC Sydney showground 1981.
>
> I've never to this day ever heard a single sound that was louder than that
> concert.
>
> At times I had to sit down to let the mass of flesh absorb the sound. It
> put me on my ass more than once.
>
> I think they banned concerts at the showground after that.
I guess I've never been to a painfully loud show but Neil Young & Crazy
Horse at the old Richfield Coliseum in 1991 would have to be the loudest
show I sat through.
--
Cheers!
NO, nor do I intend to.
The Who at the Cotton Bowl in 1982. Even Billy Squier, who opened, was
absolutely deafening. I've never seen more speakers in a PA system,
either. Like another poster said, I had to duck down below the rest of
the crowd to get any relief from the audio onslaught.
The next loudest concert was...also The Who. At Reunion Arena (Dallas)
in 2000. I had heard a rumor during the 1989 tour that Pete Townsend
had to stop playing electric guitar because his hearing had been
damaged. Well, he must have lost enough hearing in the interim for it
not to matter anymore, because they were outrageously loud. My ears
weren't just ringing when I left--they were screaming. (Being in the
18th row on the floor might have had something to do with it.) One of
the best concerts I've *ever* seen, too.
And in third place...The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Skydome (Toronto),
1996. The obnoxious volume was only outdone by the horrendous Skydome
echo. Too bad, because the band is great--you just couldn't hear them
for the noise.
--E
Wooooow, this thread is still going !
I started this in November !
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