Will the REAL Bill Lawrence please stand up.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
Steven Johnson
"Bill Lawrence" is a trade name legally owned by Jzchak Wajcman . In 1965 Jzchak Wajcman and his ex partner William Stich founded the original Bill Lawrence guitar-pickup company (Lawrence Electro Sound). By 1982 Jzchak Wajcman and William Stich still owned the trade name “Bill Lawrence” on an equal basis. On June 25th 1984 all of the rights, titles, and interest of Willi Stich in the trade name “Bill Lawrence” and Lawrence Products, and any derivation thereof, were sold, transferred, delivered and quitclaimed to “Degalim Inc. The Sale and transfer was made pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated Paragraph 47-9-504. On 3/22/85 Third National Bank in Nashville TN and Degalim Inc. assigned the trade Name “Bill Lawrence” to Jzchak Wajcman.
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Smak186..
throughoutt the years is:
That Bill Lawrence and his wife sell his pick ups now. (Or they were 10
years ago..) So Jzchak Wajcman is probably really "Bill Lawrence" and
the other guy was a partner in the company until 1984. This may explain
why the Hamer company used the "OBL" pick ups back in the 80's. What I
have heard was that "OBL" stood for "Old Bill Lawrence." Perhaps Bill
wasn't sharing that money with the other guy and finally bought him outt
etc..
Outt..
Jeff.
Nels
"Smak186.." <smak...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I think it's all a publicity stunt and in the end we will see that Michael
Jackson was behind it all
ERic
Ferdinand Fudpucker
<stev...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Here's the legal boilerplate from the site...
Read that, but there seem to be contradictory accounts on the
respective web sites.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
<smak...@comcast.net> wrote:
>That Bill Lawrence and his wife sell his pick ups now. (Or they were 10
>years ago..) So Jzchak Wajcman is probably really "Bill Lawrence"
So who makes the *real* pickups now, Bill and his wife, or Jzchak?
Everyone keeps talking about how great the Bill Lawrence pickups are,
but who the heck is making them ?
Count Zero
I mailed Bill and Becky a few months ago.
Seems they are the ones who are making the "real Bill Lawrence"
pickups.
There are obviously other "Bill Lawrence" pickups on the market who
are not manufactured by Bill but are supposed to be made to his
"specs".
I just bought a "Ultrasonic" pickup which seems to be one of those.
Even its not a "original" it sounds pretty nice and warm compared to
the pickup what I replaced it for.
.02
Count
Bruce Morgen
>Here's the legal boilerplate from the site...
>
>"Bill Lawrence" is a trade name legally owned by Jzchak Wajcman .
A lie. "Bill Lawrence" is
a designer mark registered
with the United States
Patent and Trademark Office
to Willi L. Stich, who has
been professionally known
as "Bill Lawrence" for
over forty years. It's use
as "a trade name" without
the consent of Mr. Stich is
nothing more or other than
fraudulent.
> In 1965 Jzchak Wajcman and his ex partner William Stich
There is no such person as
"William Stich."
>founded the original Bill Lawrence guitar-pickup company (Lawrence >Electro Sound). By 1982 Jzchak Wajcman and William Stich still owned >the trade name "Bill Lawrence" on an equal basis.
Another lie. The designer
mark "Bill Lawrence" was
never a corporate asset of
Lawrence Elecro Sound or of
any other company -- it was
and continues to be the sole
holding of Willi L. Stich,
and may be used legally only
with Mr. Stich's explicit
permission.
>On June 25th 1984 all of the rights, titles, and interest of Willi >Stich in the trade name "Bill Lawrence" and Lawrence Products, and any >derivation thereof, were sold, transferred, delivered and quitclaimed >to "Degalim Inc.
Yet another lie. As stated
above, "Bill Lawrence" is a
designer mark, its use as a
"trade name" is entirely at
the discretion of the mark
holder, Willi L. Stich.
Moreover, "Degalim, Inc."
does not exist and, at the
time of the referenced court
action, was misrepresented
by Jzchak Wajcman. While
extant, "Degalim Inc." was
an Israeli entity involved
in the sale of decorative
textiles that eventually was
dissolved by Israeli
authorities for non-payment
of tax obligations. Such a
dissolved corporate entity
can have no legal successor,
therefore there is no way
Jzchak Wajcman can claim any
ownership of any of that
former entity's assets.
>The Sale and transfer was made pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated >Paragraph 47-9-504. On 3/22/85 Third National Bank in Nashville TN and >Degalim Inc. assigned the trade Name "Bill Lawrence" to Jzchak >Wajcman.
Having seen the actual
documents pertaining to the
above, I can testify that
there is no mention of the
name "Bill Lawrence" as
among the assets supposedly
"assigned" to (the grossly
misrepresented) "Degalim
Inc." Jzchak Wajcman is
never mentioned in those
documents other than as an
officer of "Degalim Inc,"
therefore nothing
whatsoever was "assigned"
to Jzchak Wajcman
personally.
Here's the skinny: Jzchak
Wajcman is using a
registered designer mark
without the consent of the
holder and furthermore is
incapable of building a
product to the quality
standards necessary to
obtain that consent -- iow
he lacks the ability to
build anything to
authentic Bill Lawrence
standards and his sale of
anything carrying the Bill
Lawrence name comprises
flagrant consumer fraud,
period.
Disclaimer: I occasionally
consult with William
Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
Jeremy Arnold
OK...I don't think that's it. Wilhelm Lorenz Stitch is the "real Bill
Lawrence". He was born in Germany, built a great reputation while
designing pickups for Gibson, and uses an Anglicized version of his
name professionally (Bill Lawrence). Years ago he founded the "Bill
Lawrence" company along with Jzchak Wajcman. Stitch designed the
pickups and handled the manufacturing end of things. Wajcman brought
the business know-how and start-up capital. Depending upon who you
believe, this is what happened: Wajcman says that he fairly bought
out Stitch's share in the company and his rights to the "Bill
Lawrence" name--it's his pickups that you'll find for sale at Stewmac
and in the "Bill Lawrence" guitars that you might find in music
stores. Stitch, OTOH, tells a completely different story: that
Wajcman somehow cheated him out of the company that was founded and
still makes its living off his name and designs and continues to use
the Bill Lawrence name to cause confusion in the marketplace. After
that, Stitch went to selling his own "Bill Lawrence" pickups direct to
the public. He's the one you'll find at www.BillLawrence.com, and his
pickups have the reputatition as being the higher quality "real Bill
Lawrences". I think there may be something on the site to clear up
the confusion.
Jeremy
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>the public. He's the one you'll find at www.BillLawrence.com, and his
>pickups have the reputatition as being the higher quality "real Bill
>Lawrences". I think there may be something on the site to clear up
>the confusion.
Wow, thanks Jeremy. Sounds like a good plot for a movie :)
Spyder Barques
"Bruce Morgen" <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:rc0mfvoas92mr0beq...@4ax.com...
>
> A lie. "Bill Lawrence" is
> a designer mark registered
> with the United States
> Patent and Trademark Office
> to Willi L. Stich, who has
> been professionally known
> as "Bill Lawrence" for
> over forty years.
Your posts are informative, and I appreciate the information. Would you
consider widening your word wrap a little? My eyes cross when I read your
posts. :-)
--
Thad
"Catchin' an all-night station somewhere in Louisiana
It sounds like 1963 but for now it sounds like heaven..."
Jeremy Arnold
Bill and his wife. The "Bill Lawrence" pickups Stu Mac sells are the
fakes. Same for the guitars that are being marked with the name on
them. I hear the fakes are still pretty good, as they're based on
designs Bill did for his former company, but the "real" ones Bill
sells through his website www.billlawrence.com are better and, IIRC, a
little cheaper.
Jeremy
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
> IIRC, a >little cheaper.
Thanks Jeremy. What is IIRC?
Bluesview
Smak186..
Thanks for correcting me.. I didn't realize this got so deep. Gotta love
the music biz eh?
Outt..
Jeff.
Spyder Barques
> What is IIRC?
>
AFAIK, it's "If I remember correctly".
Bruce Morgen
>
>"Bruce Morgen" <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:rc0mfvoas92mr0beq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> A lie. "Bill Lawrence" is
>> a designer mark registered
>> with the United States
>> Patent and Trademark Office
>> to Willi L. Stich, who has
>> been professionally known
>> as "Bill Lawrence" for
>> over forty years.
>
>Your posts are informative, and I appreciate the information. Would you
>consider widening your word wrap a little? My eyes cross when I read your
>posts. :-)
Sorry, Thad -- I keep
'em super-narrow because
I often get involved in
long threads that get
nested 10+ levels deep,
and very narrow columns
keep my stuff readable
way after normal margins
would have made it into
indecipherable gibberish.
Spyder Barques
>
> Sorry, Thad -- I keep
> 'em super-narrow because
> I often get involved in
> long threads that get
> nested 10+ levels deep,
> and very narrow columns
> keep my stuff readable
> way after normal margins
> would have made it into
> indecipherable gibberish.
>
Unless the respondents snip. Snipping is a really good idea, for a lot of
reasons. Just a suggestion.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
<thad_e...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>AFAIK, it's "If I remember correctly".
LOL! Ok, thanks. Good thing I know what "AFAIK" is :)
Spyder Barques
Lol? Who ees thees 'Lol'?
;-)
Boyd Williamson
edi...@juno.com wrote on 6/26/03 4:31 PM:
Some people might do a line break or new paragraph after about so many words
or to separate ideas.
Like this. No offense, but reading your posts is a bit like reading the side
of a cereal box... no reflection on the content.
Zoid
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Mike McKernan
>
> So who makes the *real* pickups now, Bill and his wife, or Jzchak?
> Everyone keeps talking about how great the Bill Lawrence pickups are,
> but who the heck is making them ?
The great ones are by Bill and Becky. They're www.billlawrence.com
Ed
"Rookie" <roo...@hates.spam> wrote in message
news:Xns93A6BB8035A893jfk6@localhost...> news:8nulfv8olb0rim7vm...@4ax.com:
> www.billlawrence.com are better at promoting hype.
I don't have any concrete conclusions, but the billlwarance.com page doesn't
talk about any patent numbers and legal rights to the "Bill Lawrance"
moniker, while the billlawranceusa.com site does.
Considering the fact that the billlawrance.com guy is pretty vocal about
everything, you'd think he would be suing the pants off the other guy who
claims to hold the patent to the bill lawrence name if he had a legal leg to
stand on. Since the billlawranceusa.com guy is still around, we can only
surmise that the billlawrance.com guy is probably full of BS despite making
some decent pickups. (is anybody really surprised?)
Which guy is making new fangled pickups? billlawance.com
Which guy is making old fashioned pickups the way they used to be made?
billlawranceusa.com.
Which guy claims to hold the patent for the Bill Lawrance name?
Which guy gets apoplectic at the mention of other Bill Lawrances?
You can draw your own conclusions, but I tend to side with the guy making
the old fashioned stuff. And besides, the French don't call anybody
"L'empourer de L'impedance". Good old "Bill" might be quick with a
continental phrase, but that really doesn't impress me as much as it used to
back when I was studying high school French.
Mike McKernan
toned it down to this:
http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/frogfairytale.htm
I think the most telling detail is that fact that the
"billlawrence.com guy" is "Bill Lawrence".
Besides, if you read Wajcman's version of the history, he has himself
saying, "What was a guitar pickup? I had no idea " on a Friday
night, then "By Monday morning the pickup we created was ready and
installed in a Fender guitar". Three days to learn about pickup design
and design one to recreate a specific sound???
One more thing. If you call Bill and get him no the phone, he'll
probably know more about pickups than you thought there was to know.
I'm an engineer, and as far as I could follow, his physics were sound.
I know serious physics people who say the same.
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:53:40 +0900, "Ed" <gwb...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
> in article dcpmfvk9a4fgpa2b2...@4ax.com, Bruce Morgen at
> edi...@juno.com wrote on 6/26/03 4:31 PM:
>
> > "Spyder Barques" <thad_e...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Bruce Morgen" <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> news:rc0mfvoas92mr0beq...@4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>> A lie. "Bill Lawrence" is
> >>> a designer mark registered
> >>> with the United States
> >>> Patent and Trademark Office
> >>> to Willi L. Stich, who has
> >>> been professionally known
> >>> as "Bill Lawrence" for
> >>> over forty years.
> >>
>"Bill Lawrence" is a trade name legally owned by Jzchak Wajcman
In 1984 Third National Bank in Nashville Forecloses the Trade name
"Bill Lawrence"
The bank sold the Trade name "Bill Lawrence" to Degalim inc
Legal Instruments
1) Bill of sale.
2) Purchase agreement
3) Bill Lawrence trade name was filed with Secretary of state of
Tennessee as a collateral. UCC1. Debtor Degalim Inc. Secured party,
Third National Bank in Nashville TN
March 22nd 1985
Legal transfer of "Bill Lawrence" trade name by Bank and Degalim to
Jzchak Wajcman.
In December 1999 14 years after Wajcman legally owned and operated the
trade name without interruption. Willi Stich registered a Service Mark
at the USPTO.
False representation to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)
regarding a material fact, or else willfully withheld material
information, the USPTO may not have issued the registration.
Willi Stich is misleading the public regarding the trademark "BILL
LAWRENCE" and Mr. "Wajcman" that results in public confusion. And
places an intolerable burden on the "Bill Lawrence" name and Mr.
"Wajcman". Resulting in serious irreparable harm to the good will of
"BILL LAWRENCE" and Mr. Wajcman
The truth is That Jzchak Wajcman owns the legal rights to the Bill
Lawrence trade name for marketing the guitars and pickups,
Because, he legally purchased those rights as detailed in a certified
documents from Third National Bank in Nashville, Tennessee in
1984/1985.
If you have any questions e-mail:
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
Ed
"Mike McKernan" <mikem...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:tvstfv4idteo8fgin...@4ax.com...
> His old page had a pretty detailed history of what happened. He's
> toned it down to this:
> http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/frogfairytale.htm
Two frogs? No doubt there's some high-tech legal mumbo-jumbo going on here
that isn't helping to unravel the puxxle.
>
> I think the most telling detail is that fact that the
> "billlawrence.com guy" is "Bill Lawrence".
No. The most telling is that the billlawrence.com guy is making state of the
art pickups, while the billlawrenceusa.com guy is selling old fashioned
pickups made the same way they were being made back when it was a fairly new
idea.
If the two frog analogy is true, then the real Bill got hornswoggled by a
competent crook and lawyer. He lost the rights to his name and the patents
for his pickups and probably even the right to publicly bitch about it (else
we wouldn't be reading about frogs). In short, he walked out of that
business arrangement without a pair of knickers to show for it.
I sure wish I knew the answer to the riddle. It keeps getting more
interesting. On the one hand, I could well understand and sympathize if he
made a mistake by trusting somebody and signing something he shouldn't have.
On the other hand, I highly doubt that a gag order from a judge would entail
placing a gag on the actual court transcript that resulted in two Bill
Lawrences being foisted on the world of aftermarket pickup customers. The
necessity for the ambiguity of the two frog story is difficult for me to
understand.
> Besides, if you read Wajcman's version of the history, he has himself
> saying, "What was a guitar pickup? I had no idea " on a Friday
> night, then "By Monday morning the pickup we created was ready and
> installed in a Fender guitar". Three days to learn about pickup design
> and design one to recreate a specific sound???
There isn't much to know. You've got your magnets, your bobbins and your
magnets. Throw a wire a couple times around a magnet and you've got a
pickup. It might not be the greatest pickup in the world, but it's still
going to be a pickup. You wanna recreate a specific sound? Make a copy of
whatever made that particular sound. with a decent machine shop, you're
talking about two or three days.
>
> One more thing. If you call Bill and get him no the phone, he'll
> probably know more about pickups than you thought there was to know.
> I'm an engineer, and as far as I could follow, his physics were sound.
> I know serious physics people who say the same.
I read his pickupology pages a while back. It's not all that impressive to
me. Yes, I'm sure that he can talk the talk. I know a University sophomore
that can lecture on quantum mechanics for daze at a time. I'm pretty sure
that it wouldn't take all that long to get good and studied up on the
physics involved behind guitar pickups. He admittedly makes a fine noiseless
pickup. So does Fender and a slew of other pickup manufacturers.
Mike McKernan
>
>No. The most telling is that the billlawrence.com guy is making state of the
>art pickups, while the billlawrenceusa.com guy is selling old fashioned
>pickups made the same way they were being made back when it was a fairly new
>idea.
>
I'll go along with that. Every once in awhile there's a post by
someone who bought "Bill Lawrence" pups and wonder what the big deal
is. In every case that I remember, they bought the ones that aren't
made by Bill and Becky.
Besides, it's all academic. If the "Silvertone" folks ever won the
legal right to puts "Hamer USA" logos on their guitars, I still know
which ones I'd buy...apologies to posters who work for "Bill Lawrence
USA".
Bruce Morgen
>Ferdinand Fudpucker <fordpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:8nulfv8olb0rim7vm...@4ax.com:
>
>I have come to the conclusion that the product is the same, but the
>www.billlawrence.com are better at promoting hype.
Your conclusion is incorrect.
The bootlegger doesn't even
try to imitate BL's flagship
product, the L-280/280 Strat
and Tele pickups -- the one
item that both BL and the
bootlegger offer is the
L-500 series of large twin-
blade 'buckers, but the
bootlegger offers only one
color and one version while
BL offers a wide variety.
The product is not the same,
and the other bootleg
"Lawrence" pickup models are
*not* accurate reproductions
of what BL designed back in
'70s and '80s -- different
materials, poorly controlled
winding process, even his
tooling is worn and damaged.
For an example of his awful
workship, his alnico pole
pieces look like they were
cut to size in someones
garage with a dull meat
cleaver. The blades in his
redition of the L-500 are
too thin and the pickups not
properly wax-bathed, so they
tend to be obnoxiously
microphonic. The guy simply
cannot make a quality pickup
while Bill and Becky clearly
can -- it's really that
simple.
Bruce Morgen
>
>"Rookie" <roo...@hates.spam> wrote in message
>news:Xns93A6BB8035A893jfk6@localhost...
>> Ferdinand Fudpucker <fordpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8nulfv8olb0rim7vm...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:31:19 GMT, "Steven Johnson"
>> ><stev...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Here's the legal boilerplate from the site...
>> >
>> >
>> > Read that, but there seem to be contradictory accounts on the
>> > respective web sites.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I have come to the conclusion that the product is the same, but the
>> www.billlawrence.com are better at promoting hype.
>
>I don't have any concrete conclusions, but the billlwarance.com page doesn't
>talk about any patent numbers and legal rights to the "Bill Lawrance"
>moniker, while the billlawranceusa.com site does.
>
>Considering the fact that the billlawrance.com guy is pretty vocal about
>everything, you'd think he would be suing the pants off the other guy who
>claims to hold the patent to the bill lawrence name if he had a legal leg to
>stand on. Since the billlawranceusa.com guy is still around, we can only
>surmise that the billlawrance.com guy is probably full of BS despite making
>some decent pickups. (is anybody really surprised?)
The one full of BS is you,
my friend. First of all,
you cannot patent a name.
However, the name "Bill
Lawrence" is a registered
at the U.S. Patent and
Trademark Office to Willi
Lorenz Stich. Look it up!
Your presumptions about
lawsuits are totally nuts
too. A small business
cannot afford an inter-
state trademark
infringement suit unless
the defendant has deep
pockets and can be nailed
for the legal fees (this
bootlegger barely owns a
pot to piss in afaik) --
BL would win, but the
cosdt of paying the
lawyer(s) would probably
ruin his business.
>
>Which guy is making new fangled pickups? billlawance.com
Correct. He also still
makes the most successful
of the older designs, the
L-500 large twin-blade
'bucker.
>Which guy is making old fashioned pickups the way they used to be made?
>billlawranceusa.com.
Nobody is doing that --
that bootlegger is
incapable of making
accurate reproductions
of the old BL designs,
he has no idea what
he's doing technically
and his stuff is of
very low (and wildly
inconsistent) quality.
>Which guy claims to hold the patent for the Bill Lawrance name?
There is no such thing
as a patent on a name,
but Willi Lorenz Stich
is the mark holder.
>Which guy gets apoplectic at the mention of other Bill Lawrances?
There is no "other
Bill Lawrence" -- there's
this creep using the
Bill Lawrence name to
peddle what amounts to
*junk* -- and then
there's Willi Lorenz
Stich, who has been
professionally known as
Bill Lawrence for over
forty years!
>
>You can draw your own conclusions, but I tend to side with the guy
>making the old fashioned stuff.
You "side" with an
incompetent making low
quality attempts to
copy old designs? Why
would anyone do that?
> And besides, the French don't call anybody
>"L'empourer de L'impedance". Good old "Bill" might be quick with a
>continental phrase, but that really doesn't impress me as much as it used to
>back when I was studying high school French.
>
What does the above have
to do with the issue at
hand? That phrase
appeared in a French
article about BL years
ago and afaik it's
irrelevant here.
Bruce Morgen
>
>"Mike McKernan" <mikem...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:tvstfv4idteo8fgin...@4ax.com...
>> His old page had a pretty detailed history of what happened. He's
>> toned it down to this:
>> http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/frogfairytale.htm
>
>Two frogs? No doubt there's some high-tech legal mumbo-jumbo going on here
>that isn't helping to unravel the puxxle.
>>
>> I think the most telling detail is that fact that the
>> "billlawrence.com guy" is "Bill Lawrence".
>
>No. The most telling is that the billlawrence.com guy is making state of the
>art pickups, while the billlawrenceusa.com guy is selling old fashioned
>pickups made the same way they were being made back when it was a fairly new
>idea.
No, he's not -- he's
incapable of consistently
high quality pickup of
any kind. His problem is
an utter lack of talent,
knowledge, and ethics --
the guy makes what amounts
to *junk* that (very
superficially) resembles
the old BL stuff.
>
>If the two frog analogy is true, then the real Bill got hornswoggled
>by a competent crook and lawyer. He lost the rights to his name
The "rights to his name"
were never the property of
anyone other than himself
-- "Bill Lawrence" is a
designer mark that cannot
be legally used without
the explicit permission
of the holder, Willi L.
Stich. Just as you can't
legally sell a Tony
Bennett CD with the
involvement and consent
of the man professionally
know as Tony Bennett, you
can't legally sell a Bill
Lawrence pickup without
the involvement and
consent of the man
professionally known as
Bill Lawrence.
>and the patents
>for his pickups and probably even the right to publicly bitch about it (else
>we wouldn't be reading about frogs). In short, he walked out of that
>business arrangement without a pair of knickers to show for it.
Not true. I've seen the
actual legal papers and
there are enough
loopholes in them to
drive a Hummer through
-- if/when BL take this
guy to court, the he's
toast!
>
>I sure wish I knew the answer to the riddle. It keeps getting more
>interesting. On the one hand, I could well understand and sympathize if he
>made a mistake by trusting somebody and signing something he shouldn't have.
>On the other hand, I highly doubt that a gag order from a judge would entail
>placing a gag on the actual court transcript that resulted in two Bill
>Lawrences being foisted on the world of aftermarket pickup customers.
I've seen the papers. BL
has them and the bootlegger
doesn't -- and now that BL
is living in California, if
I were the other guy I'd
seriously consider leaving
the country (he's already
done that more than once --
he's run out on court
orders and now cannot set
foot in Germany or Israel!).
>The
>necessity for the ambiguity of the two frog story is difficult for me
>to understand.
>
The frog story is just
Becky catching the essence
of the situation in fairy
tale form. Having seen
the legal papers, I can
tell you that the strength
of BL's position is far
from ambiguous -- it's
rock solid!
>
>> Besides, if you read Wajcman's version of the history, he has himself
>> saying, "What was a guitar pickup? I had no idea " on a Friday
>> night, then "By Monday morning the pickup we created was ready and
>> installed in a Fender guitar". Three days to learn about pickup design
>> and design one to recreate a specific sound???
>
>There isn't much to know. You've got your magnets, your bobbins and your
>magnets. Throw a wire a couple times around a magnet and you've got a
>pickup. It might not be the greatest pickup in the world, but it's still
>going to be a pickup. You wanna recreate a specific sound? Make a copy of
>whatever made that particular sound. with a decent machine shop, you're
>talking about two or three days.
>
Here's just one of several
monkey wrenches in the
above scenario: it can
take years of experience
to properly modify and
adjust a coil winder to
consistently produce good
guitar pickup coils --
the problem is the oblong
shape of a pickup bobbin,
which makes for very wide
variations in tension on
the very delicate magnet
wire every 180 degrees of
rotation. BL is the only
one I'm aware of in the
industry who's got this
process effectively under
control -- that's one of
the reasons Fender's got
him under contract as a
consultant at 72 years of
age, they haven't found
anyone else who does!
>>
>> One more thing. If you call Bill and get him no the phone, he'll
>> probably know more about pickups than you thought there was to know.
>> I'm an engineer, and as far as I could follow, his physics were sound.
>> I know serious physics people who say the same.
>
>I read his pickupology pages a while back. It's not all that impressive to
>me. Yes, I'm sure that he can talk the talk. I know a University sophomore
>that can lecture on quantum mechanics for daze at a time. I'm pretty sure
>that it wouldn't take all that long to get good and studied up on the
>physics involved behind guitar pickups.
Studying up on the physics
isn't that hard, actually
and successfully applying
that knowledge to pickup
design and manufacturing
is another matter entirely.
>He admittedly makes a fine noiseless
>pickup. So does Fender and a slew of other pickup manufacturers.
The Fender VN is a disaster.
Comparing it to the L-280 is
like putting a Yugo and an
Acura in the same showroom
-- both pickups might be
noiseless and both cars might
have FWD, but the difference
in quality and performance is
*huge*. Fender's next attempt
at noiseless is going to be
much better, mostly because BL
has been brought in as the
principal design consultant on
the project. Still think
designing a top-notch noiseless
pickup and tuning it to
perfection is easy? Think
again! If there are a half-
dozen people on the whole planet
who can do it right I'd be
surprised!
Bruce Morgen
USPTO attorneys do a
thorough search for
commercial use of any
mark submitted for
registration. After
that, there's a ninety
day period during
which *anybody* can
dispute the validity
of the registration.
No such dispute
occurred and the mark
was duly registered.
Iow, game, set, match
to Willi Stich aka
"Bill Lawrence" --
you can't erase forty
years of a man's
professional identity
via a dubious deal
with a bank at fire
sale prices!
>False representation to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)
>regarding a material fact, or else willfully withheld material
>information, the USPTO may not have issued the registration.
>Willi Stich is misleading the public regarding the trademark "BILL
>LAWRENCE" and Mr. "Wajcman" that results in public confusion. And
>places an intolerable burden on the "Bill Lawrence" name and Mr.
>"Wajcman". Resulting in serious irreparable harm to the good will of
>"BILL LAWRENCE" and Mr. Wajcman
>The truth is That Jzchak Wajcman owns the legal rights to the Bill
>Lawrence trade name for marketing the guitars and pickups,
>Because, he legally purchased those rights as detailed in a certified
>documents from Third National Bank in Nashville, Tennessee in
>1984/1985.
>If you have any questions e-mail:
>guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
Degalim, Inc. no longer
exists, and Mr. Wajcman's
name does not appear in
any of the referenced
legal documents other
than as an officer of
Degalim, Inc. Back when
it did exist, Degalim,
Inc. was misrepresented
to the court and
therefore had no legal
standing to purchase
anything from the bank.
Having seen the legal
papers pertaining to
this action, even as a
non-lawyer I can tell
that the whole process
was so full of holes
that it makes swiss
cheese look like a bank
vault door. Iow, Mr.
Wajcman has no right
to use the name "Bill
Lawrence" -- and if I
were him I'd be looking
for a new country in
which to reside.
More importantly, his
product is third-rate
crap that only
superficially resembles
the old BL designs that
it's supposedly based
on -- for the end user,
that (and not the legal
dispute) is the bottom
line!
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>For an example of his awful workship, his alnico pole
>pieces look like they were cut to size in someones
>garage with a dull meat cleaver.
Ouch.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>Still think designing a top-notch noiseless
>pickup and tuning it to perfection is easy?
Whats the difference between a noiseless pickup,
and a humbucker? I thought anything that wasn't a single coil was a
humbucker?
Bruce Morgen
To (over)simplify, the
coils in a noiseless
pickup are "stacked"
vertically rather than
side-by-side as in a
traditional 'bucker.
Not only does this
make a noiseless
pickup look like a
single-coil, the fact
that it picks up from
the strings along a
single line (rather
than two locations
mixed together as with
a 'bucker) makes a
well-designed/tuned
noiseless pickup sound
a lot like a single-
coil -- not exactly,
but very close (and
imo in many ways
better, ymmv).
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>Ferdinand Fudpucker <fordpr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:28:37 -0400, Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Still think designing a top-notch noiseless
>>>pickup and tuning it to perfection is easy?
>>
>>Whats the difference between a noiseless pickup,
>>and a humbucker? I thought anything that wasn't a single coil was a
>>humbucker?
>>
>To (over)simplify, the
>coils in a noiseless
>pickup are "stacked"
>vertically rather than
>side-by-side as in a
>traditional 'bucker.
>Not only does this
>make a noiseless
>pickup look like a
>single-coil, the fact
>that it picks up from
>the strings along a
>single line (rather
Cool deal, thanks man!
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>Instead, I take everything with a grain of salt and prefer the SD products.
We'll take that with a grain of salt :)
Over hyped as they are and all.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>pickups at a price similar or less than the SD ones, that I could buy at a
>European store so that I wouldn't mess with customs and post and packaging,
>I would be more than happy to try it.
Ahh, I see your point. I didn't realize you are in Europe. Bill
Lawrence only sells direct, so you would have to have them shipped.
I've owned a number of Seymour Duncans, and they are nice pickups, so
I didn't really mean to bash them. They just aren't as good as some of
the alternatives out there from my experience though.
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
>>"Bill Lawrence" is a trade name legally owned by Jzchak Wajcman
>
>In 1984 Third National Bank in Nashville Forecloses the Trade name
>"Bill Lawrence"
>The bank sold the Trade name "Bill Lawrence" to Degalim inc
>
>Legal Instruments
>1) Bill of sale.
>2) Purchase agreement
>3) Bill Lawrence trade name was filed with Secretary of state of
>Tennessee as a collateral. UCC1. Debtor Degalim Inc. Secured party,
>Third National Bank in Nashville TN
>
>March 22nd 1985
>Legal transfer of "Bill Lawrence" trade name by Bank and Degalim to
>Jzchak Wajcman.
>
>In December 1999 14 years after Wajcman legally owned and operated
the
>trade name without interruption. Willi Stich registered a Service
Mark
>at the USPTO.
1) USPTO attorneys do a
thorough search for
commercial use of any
mark submitted for
registration. After
that, there's a ninety
day period during
which *anybody* can
dispute the validity
of the registration.
No such dispute
occurred and the mark
was duly registered.
§1120. Civil liability for false or fraudulent registration
Any person who shall procure registration in the Patent and Trademark
Office of a mark by a false or fraudulent declaration or
representation, oral or in writing, or by any false means, shall be
liable in a civil action by any person injured thereby for any damages
sustained in consequence thereof.
2) Iow, game, set, match
to Willi Stich aka
"Bill Lawrence" --
you can't erase forty
years of a man's
professional identity
via a dubious deal
with a bank at fire
sale prices!
For over 20 years Jzchak Wajcman is promoting the "Bill Lawrence" name
and Willi Stich is claiming credit for. All the L-500XL pickups in the
NUNO N4 and N2 are 100% made by Jzchak Wajcman and not 1 pc. Was ever
made by Willi Stich the "REAL BS". Ask Washburn and not someone that
occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
3) Degalim, Inc. no longer
exists, and Mr. Wajcman's
name does not appear in
any of the referenced
legal documents other
than as an officer of
Degalim, Inc. Back when
it did exist, Degalim,
Inc. was misrepresented
to the court and
therefore had no legal
standing to purchase
anything from the bank.
Having seen the legal
papers pertaining to
this action,
Willi Stich encouraged the transaction of the purchase agreement
Between the Bank and Degalim Inc. Willi Stich owed Third National Bank
$360.000 and made a decision to abandon the Company and the collateral
he had in a security agreement including the trade mark and trade name
"Bill Lawrence" instead to pay the money back he decided to go back to
his home land Germany and start a new name. Wajcman was 50% owner he
made a different decision namely to work out a payment plan with the
Bank and pay back the bank and rescue the "Bill Lawrence" Trade Name".
4) even as a
non-lawyer I can tell
that the whole process
was so full of holes
that it makes swiss
cheese look like a bank
vault door.
You may be an expert in Swiss cheese but one of the biggest Banks in
TN
Will not employ layers that don't know at least as much as you now.
Specially that all your knowledge comes from occasionally consulting
with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde), dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
5) Iow, Mr.
Wajcman has no right
to use the name "Bill
Lawrence" –
As a non-Judge you can tell the right of low just by occasionally
consulting with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde), dba "Bill Lawrence
Guitars"
6) and if I
were him I'd be looking
for a new country in
which to reside.
After visiting you're website I came to the conclusion that there are
some people with some different opinions.
http://www.atman.net/realization/index.html
7) More importantly, his
product is third-rate
crap that only
superficially resembles
the old BL designs that
it's supposedly based
on –
As a none expert in Bill Lawrence Pickups made By Wajcman, your
opinion is some different than 10th of thousands of guitarist playing
Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak Wajcman. Including the Original
Dimebag Darrell of Pantera; and Nuno Bettencourt that willi is taking
credit for.
8) for the end user,
that (and not the legal
dispute) is the bottom
line!
So why are you spreading lies, poison and hate. Please let the end
user make his own decision without your negative impute.
9) Disclaimer: I occasionally
consult with William
Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
Willi Stich never made or sold 1 guitar with Bill Lawrence logo. All
Bill Lawrence Guitars from the 80's until today including the the Bill
Lawrence SwampKaster Guitars are made by Wajcman and not by Willi. But
willi is waiving a flag "Bill Lawrence Guitars" 16 years later after
wajcman promoted the Bill Lawrence guitars in America. check out
http://www.SwampKaster.com
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>made by Willi Stich the "REAL BS". Ask Washburn and not someone that
>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
Instead, do a Google search, and you're find hundreds of posts from
people that say the real deal is at http://www.billlwarence.com So
a point blank question, did you design these pickups? If not, then
everything else said here seems to be true. The testimonials for
the "Real Bill" pickups all over Harmony Central and the internet seem
to indicate he is the original designer, and has the superior product.
I found this out for myself after initially asking the question.
Mike McKernan
wrote:
> Ask Washburn and not someone that
>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>
Based on your e-mail address, you're not exactly the voice of
objectivity here either though, are you?
>
>As a none expert in Bill Lawrence Pickups made By Wajcman, your
>opinion is some different than 10th of thousands of guitarist playing
>Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak Wajcman. Including the Original
>Dimebag Darrell of Pantera;
Wow. That's all I need to know.
>Willi Stich never made or sold 1 guitar with Bill Lawrence logo. All
>Bill Lawrence Guitars from the 80's until today including the the Bill
>Lawrence SwampKaster Guitars are made by Wajcman and not by Willi. But
>willi is waiving a flag "Bill Lawrence Guitars" 16 years later after
>wajcman promoted the Bill Lawrence guitars in America. check out
>http://www.SwampKaster.com
Hey, I noticed this pic on your website:
http://www.swampkaster.com/swampkaster/images/guitars/body.gif
From looking at that pile of bodies on the right, I've got to
ask...how many pieces of wood are used to make a SwampKaster body?
Ferdinand Fudpucker
>This is a VERY telling point - this poster is obvioulsy a little
>biased in his opinion of Bill's pickups!
Right, so the guy posting from billlwarencepickups.com isn't?
Puhleaze my nizzle.
Bruce Morgen
>Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message news:<auo5gvkpmhe8qk2ns...@4ax.com>...
>>
>> No, he's not -- he's
>> incapable of consistently
>> high quality pickup of
>> any kind. His problem is
>> an utter lack of talent,
>> knowledge, and ethics --
>> the guy makes what amounts
>> to *junk* that (very
>> superficially) resembles
>> the old BL stuff.
>
>I own a number of the L-250 single-bladed, single coil-size pickups
>made by the www.billlawrenceusa.com folks, including one made back
>when Bill was still with the company. I can honestly say the ones
>made after Bill was gone and the one made when he was there sound
>identical - very rich, full and quiet. Everyone who hears them agrees
>that they are excellent sounding pickups. And they have never
>squealed, even though they are all between 6 and 20+ years old.
Let us not discount the
possibilty that this
poster might be deaf,
blind, and/or heavily
ego-invested in his
purchases.
He cannot possibly own
a single-blade L-250
made while BL was still
involved with Wajcman --
during that time there
was no such item, there
was a single-blade
"sidewinder" model
called the L-220 which
may or may not be
similar, but going by
the disclaimer in the
Stew-Mac catalog
regarding variability
in DC resistance
readings they cannot
be identical -- I know
for a fact that Mr.
Wajcman cannot obtain
the custom magnet wire
BL specified for the
pickup. Why? Because
Wajcman stiffed the
Elektrisola company
for a substantial
amount of money and
they won't sell it him
-- even on a C.O.D.
basis. The guy is a
deadbeat in addition to
being technically
incompetent.
>Cosmetically, the new ones look nearly identical to the old one,
>except that the old one has felt glued to the bottom (when they first
>started making these, before they started adding color to the clear
>resin that the coils are sealed in, they just glued felt on the
>bottom). And if there's a difference is blade width (which isn't real
>obvious to the naked eye), it hasn't affected the sound at all.
>
>> The "rights to his name"
>> were never the property of
>> anyone other than himself
>> -- "Bill Lawrence" is a
>> designer mark that cannot
>> be legally used without
>> the explicit permission
>> of the holder, Willi L.
>> Stich. Just as you can't
>> legally sell a Tony
>> Bennett CD with the
>> involvement and consent
>> of the man professionally
>> know as Tony Bennett, you
>> can't legally sell a Bill
>> Lawrence pickup without
>> the involvement and
>> consent of the man
>> professionally known as
>> Bill Lawrence.
>>
>I mentioned this in another part of this thread, but it needs to be
>mentioned again. "Bill Lawrence" is not registered as a "designer"
>mark - it is registered with the USPTO as a "service" mark to market
>Bill's design/consulting services to guitar manufacturers (USPTO
>registration #2303676). This means no one else can use "Bill
>Lawrence" to market a similar design/consulting service, but this
>"service" mark has nothing at all to do with the marketing of his
>pickups (per the USPTO a "service" mark "identifies and distinguishes
>the source of a SERVICE rather than a product"). In order for Bill to
>have the exclusive right to use "Bill Lawrence" to market his pickups,
>he would have had to regsiter "Bill Lawrence" with the USPTO as a
>"trade" mark for that purpose. The only "trade" mark that Bill has
>regsitered with the USPTO is "Wilde USA", which he registered for the
>purpose of marketing "stringed musical instruments and accessories"
>(USPTO registration #2339874). Bill is unable to register "Bill
>Lawrence" as a trademark to market his pickups, because it has already
>been in use for the last 19 years as an unregistered "common law"
>trade mark by his ex-partner, Mr. Wajcman.
A designer mark is a type
of a service mark. It can
be applied to a product
only with the permission of
the holder. Willi Lorenz
Stich provides design
services and may confer the
use of his registered mark
at his descretion to those
whom, in his judgement,
faithfully execute his
designs. Names like "Bill
Blass" and "Ralph Lauren"
are also designer marks
registered as service marks
because design is by
definition a service. Such
names may be additionally
used and registered as
product trademarks, but
that is only at the option
of and with the consent of
the mark holder. In my
humble, non-professional
opinion, this poster does
not understand the law
regarding the various
categories of registered
marks. Since BL uses the
circled-"R" symbol as per
the advice of a patent and
trademark attorney there is
no reason to believe that
this use isn't entirely
appropriate -- to wit, his
website functions as an
internet presence used to
market both services and
products, and the products
are the direct fruit of
his design services and
afaik may be so marked at
his sole discretion.
>
>In an attempt to make the public think he actually has registered
>"Bill Lawrence" as a "trade" mark, Bill uses the federal registration
>symbol (circle around the "R") next to "Bill Lawrence" in ads for his
>pickups, and on his website that promotes his pickups, even though
>it's against USPTO rules for him to do so (USPTO rules state that the
>registration symbol can only be used next to the mark, on or in
>connection with the goods or services that the mark is regsitered for
>- in other words, Bill can ONLY use the registration symbol next to
>"Bill Lawrence" in ads and in marketing materials for his consulting
>service). By making it APPEAR that he has registered "Bill Lawrence"
>as a "trade" mark to market his pickups, he also makes it APPEAR that
>Mr. Wajcman must be breaking trademark law by using the Bill Lawrence
>name to market his pickups. But it's actually Bill who's breaking
>trademark rules by illegitmately using the federal registration
>symbol. Bill is obviously very aware of Mr. Wajcman's right to use
>the Bill Lawrence name - if this weren't the case, Bill would have
>simply registered "Bill Lawrence" as a "trade" mark to market his own
>pickups, intead of resorting to the mis-use of the registration
>symbol.
The design of a guitar
pickup is intrinsic to its
function and performance
as a product, therefore
the "R" symbol may be used
in the marketing of a
product that is the result
of BL's design services --
just as the name of a
clothing designer can be
used the same way even if
the mark is not registered
as a "trade" mark.
>
>To verify all this, just go to www.uspto.gov and search for "Bill
>Lawrence" and "Wilde USA". You'll be able to see what they were
>registered for (look next to "Goods and Services") and that they are
>"service" and "trade" marks, respectively (look next to "Type of
>Mark"). While you're there, be sure to read about the difference
>between "trade" and "service" marks, and about "common law" trade
>marks and about how the federal registration symbol can be used.
The registration symbol
only denotes registration
and "Bill Lawrence" is a
registered mark -- simple!
>
>> Disclaimer: I occasionally
>> consult with William
>> Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>> dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>
>This is a VERY telling point - this poster is obvioulsy a little
>biased in his opinion of Bill's pickups!
I know the difference
between quality and
junk, and Wajcman's
stuff is junk by any
measure. The man is
a technical incompetent,
a cheapskate who cuts
corners in every step
of the manufacturing
process, a tax evader
who has had several
corporate entities in
which he was the
principal suspended for
non-payment of tax
obligations, and a
thief who used money
generously given to him
by a faithful friend to
steal from that very
friend. People of that
ilk have a lot more to
answer for than my
criticisms, and the day
of reckoning approaches
quickly. The State of
California has very
stringent laws regarding
the unauthorized use of
the names of well-known
persons, and both
Wajcman and the real BL
(Willi L. Stich) now
reside in that state.
A second coming is at
hand, and it ain't
Jesus!
Bruce Morgen
"Bil Lawrence" was never a
trade mark, it was and
continues to be a
designer mark and as such
is non-negotiable. There
is no documentation that
it as ever an asset of
Lawrence Sound Research
(LSR) or of any other
corporation. Look up the
case of Gibson vs. Michael
Tobias -- Gibson bought
Mr. Tobias' company lock
stock and barrel, but the
court ruled that the
purchase did not include
the right to use the
designer mark "Michael
Tobias" on any product
without explicit consent.
To this day, Gibson may
offer a "Tobias" bass but
not a "Michael Tobias"
bass, just as you may
offer "Lawrence" pickups
but not "Bill Lawrence"
pickups. Stew-Mac was
very wise to avoid
infringing on the "Bill
Lawrence" mark in their
catalog pages and you
would be wise to learn
from their example!
>instead to pay the money back he decided to go back to
>his home land Germany and start a new name. Wajcman was 50% owner he
>made a different decision namely to work out a payment plan with the
>Bank and pay back the bank and rescue the "Bill Lawrence" Trade Name".
>
This is the sickest pack
of lies I've have had to
endure reading. You and
your friend had a plan
to survive the specious
lawsuit by Onsite, you
took your friend's money
and used it to
fraudulently acquire the
company while he was out
the country attending a
family funeral. Shame
on you!
>
>4) even as a
>non-lawyer I can tell
>that the whole process
>was so full of holes
>that it makes swiss
>cheese look like a bank
>vault door.
>
>You may be an expert in Swiss cheese but one of the biggest Banks in
>TN
>Will not employ layers that don't know at least as much as you now.
>Specially that all your knowledge comes from occasionally consulting
>with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde), dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>
...which I freely disclose
-- I've seen the papers
and it's obvious that you
hornswaggled the bank, who
were just looking for a
way to pay their legal
expenses. Unfortunately
for yoy, you cut a couple
of corners that make the
transaction legally moot.
Of course at this point
you can't appear in *any*
court -- prevailing in
court requires that you
arrive with clean hands
and yours are dripping
with filth.
>
>5) Iow, Mr.
>Wajcman has no right
>to use the name "Bill
>Lawrence" –
>
>As a non-Judge you can tell the right of low just by occasionally
>consulting with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde), dba "Bill Lawrence
>Guitars"
>
I've already admitted
I'm not a lawyer, but
what the hell is "the
right of the low?"
Is it a special
privilege for people
like you?
>
>6) and if I
>were him I'd be looking
>for a new country in
>which to reside.
>
>After visiting you're website I came to the conclusion that there are
>some people with some different opinions.
>http://www.atman.net/realization/index.html
That has nothing whatsoever
to do with the ethical and
technical issues at hand --
are you attempting some
sort of awkward distraction
or do you perhaps suffer
from an attention deficit
difficulty?
>
>
>7) More importantly, his
>product is third-rate
>crap that only
>superficially resembles
>the old BL designs that
>it's supposedly based
>on –
>
>As a none expert in Bill Lawrence Pickups made By Wajcman,
I know junk when I see it
-- this is not a binaries
group so I can't post a
photo, but if I did you'd
die of embarassment if
you had any integrity at
all, which I doubt! Your
family must be so ashamed!
>your
>opinion is some different than 10th of thousands of guitarist playing
>Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak Wajcman. Including the Original
>Dimebag Darrell of Pantera; and Nuno Bettencourt that willi is taking
>credit for.
Everybody know that
Dimebag's pickup was
made in the late '70s
and that he's currently
a Seymour Duncan
endorser -- Washburn
uses your junk because
its cheap and so are
they (they didn't want
to pay BL for the real
thing), but Darrell
wouldn't be caught dead
with your third-rate
bootlegs on-stage!
>
>8) for the end user,
>that (and not the legal
>dispute) is the bottom
>line!
>
>So why are you spreading lies, poison and hate.
Why can't you properly
form an question in
English, goneff?
>Please let the end
>user make his own decision without your negative impute.
Don't shoot the
messenger, boychik --
you make junk and the
state of your business
is a direct result of
your lack of ability.
>
>9) Disclaimer: I occasionally
>consult with William
>Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>
>
>Willi Stich never made or sold 1 guitar with Bill Lawrence logo. All
>Bill Lawrence Guitars from the 80's until today including the the Bill
>Lawrence SwampKaster Guitars are made by Wajcman and not by Willi. But
>willi is waiving a flag "Bill Lawrence Guitars" 16 years later after
>wajcman promoted the Bill Lawrence guitars in America. check out
>http://www.SwampKaster.com
Wajcman never made a guitar
in his life -- the
"Swampkaster" is a cheap
Asian import that dealers
can't even give away. The
"Bill Lawrence" guitars
from the '80s were made by
Moradaira in Japan in
violation of their
agreement with BL -- and
Wajcman didn't make those
either! Try getting rid of
any of these guitars on
eBay -- unless Becky is too
busy to notify eBay the
auction will be pulled due
to mark infringement. I
have a colection of photos
illustrating the so-called
"quality" of Wajcman's
current third-rate offshore
products (all nothing more
than typical cheap Strat
and Tele clones) that I'll
gladly share with anyone
who e-mails me.
Don't mess with me,
boychik -- I'm *way* out
of your league and I've
had the goods on you for
years!
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>I've already admitted I'm not a lawyer, but what the hell is "the right of the low?"
>Is it a special privilege for people like you?
LOL! Splat.
Ferdinand Fudpucker
wrote:
>http://www.atman.net/realization/index.html
After reading this crap, I'd also have to say you're way out of your
mind. But I do agree with you on the pickups :)
Bruce Morgen
>On 2 Jul 2003 18:00:20 -0700, guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
>wrote:
>
>> Ask Washburn and not someone that
>>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>>
>Based on your e-mail address, you're not exactly the voice of
>objectivity here either though, are you?
>
Never claimed to be, but
in this case facts are
facts -- and the fact is
that Wajcman is severely
ethically challenge and
doesn't have the ability
to produce a quality
product.
>>
>>As a none expert in Bill Lawrence Pickups made By Wajcman, your
>>opinion is some different than 10th of thousands of guitarist playing
>>Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak Wajcman. Including the Original
>>Dimebag Darrell of Pantera;
>
>Wow. That's all I need to know.
Except it isn't true.
Until he recently
became a Seymour Duncan
endorser, Darrell used
only genuine old BLs
from the late '70s that
Wajcman had nothing to
do with. Wajcman is a
parasite trying to make
a living off his old
friend's name and the
names of famous
players who don't
know him from Adam!
>
>>Willi Stich never made or sold 1 guitar with Bill Lawrence logo. All
>>Bill Lawrence Guitars from the 80's until today including the the Bill
>>Lawrence SwampKaster Guitars are made by Wajcman and not by Willi. But
>>willi is waiving a flag "Bill Lawrence Guitars" 16 years later after
>>wajcman promoted the Bill Lawrence guitars in America. check out
>>http://www.SwampKaster.com
If anything comprises a
blatant attempt to
*ruin* the Bill Lawrence
name, it's the
ridiculously named and
very badly made
"SwampKaster" Tele
clone -- a cheap Asian
import selling for twice
as much as similar low-
end Fender imitations!
>
>Hey, I noticed this pic on your website:
>http://www.swampkaster.com/swampkaster/images/guitars/body.gif
>From looking at that pile of bodies on the right, I've got to
>ask...how many pieces of wood are used to make a SwampKaster body?
Don't ask about the piece
count, ask about the fact
that the swamp ash is
dried out and brittle to
the point where the wood
between the neck pickup
rout and the neck pocket
can literally fall apart.
These guitars are cheap
Tele clones made in
mainland east Asia being
sold without a proper
country-of-origin label.
The only value added by
Wajcman is pickup and
string installation --
of those two additions,
only the strings are of
passable quality! So,
where are these toys
made -- China, Korea,
Indonesia? Having
tried to play one, I'd
say the only good thing
about them is their
very light weight --
but using dessicated
old wood is the wrong
way to achieve that!
Otherwise, they're not
even as good as a
typical Squier and the
pickups look and sound
just awful. Without
the Bill Lawrence name
on the headstock,
nobody would even look
at one of these things
twice, let alone buy
one!
Disclaimer: I occasionally
Mike McKernan
wrote:
>Mike McKernan <mikem...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2 Jul 2003 18:00:20 -0700, guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Ask Washburn and not someone that
>>>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>>>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>>>
>>Based on your e-mail address, you're not exactly the voice of
>>objectivity here either though, are you?
>>
>Never claimed to be,
My post was directed not at you, but at the guy with the
"billlawrencepickups" address. Your association with Bill is clearly
spelled out in your disclaimer.
Bruce Morgen
That's fine -- the issue
here is personal integrity
and product quality, it has
nothing to do with what
I've written on unrelated
matters or how anyone feels
about the website my friend
maintains for that stuff.
:-)
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
>>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>>
>objectivity here either though, are you?
>
Searched Groups for lawrence bruce morgen.Results about 979.
Wow.
2) Wajcman is severely
ethically challenge and
doesn't have the ability
to produce a quality
product. Except it isn't true.
Until he recently
became a Seymour Duncan
endorser,
Bruce Morgen, you are spending all your energy and time misleading and
confusing the public..
Many great guitarists using Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak
Wajcman tribute the credit to Willi Stich thinking he is the producer
of the products.
3) Darrell used
only genuine old BLs
from the late '70s that
Wajcman had nothing to
do with.
You really think you know every detail of information,
So let me correct you.
Wajcman made the 500XL for Dean Guitars
for Darrel even before he made the Washburn Darrel pickups.
By the way in the 70's non of the pickups made by Willi Stich
Where waxed. 100% of all old 70's hade only a few drops of resin.
Willi Stich hade no knowledge in Plastic materials and he made the
Bobbins out of ABS if put in hot wax the plastic will melt.
Jzchak Wajcman changed the Bobin material to a special more expensive
plastic that can hold high temperature of hot wax. Wajcman was the
first one using the wax process in the L-500 All L-500's Made by
Wajcman are not only Wax treated, they are also potted with resin.
4) Wajcman is a
parasite trying to make
a living off his old
friend's name and the
names of famous players who don't
know him from Adam!
Historical Facts
Willi Stich was a guitarist playing in different clubs under the
musicians name "Billy Lorento".
In 1965 Jzchak Wajcman and William Stich founded in Munich Germany the
original Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickup Company (Lawrence Electro sound)
Since Framus owned the trade name Billy Lorento,
Jzchak Wajcman and Willi Stich invented a new name "Bill Lawrence". In
1970 William Stich left Germany to the US.
By 1975 he formed a US corporation (LSR) Lawrence Sound Research) with
his new partner Don Redmon.
By 1978 William became the sole stockholder of (LSR)
By 1982 he owed the Third National Bank in Nashville $360.000. Third
National Bank in Nashville was ready to foreclose and he was about to
file Bankruptcy. Willi realized that he could not hold the Company
together alone. He went to California and offered Jzchak Wajcman to
rejoin him as a 50% partner, one-half owner of the business. Wajcman
took the challenge and accepted the offer.
By June 1982 Jzchak Wajcman started to reverse the losing trend and
the company started to make profit.
In 1984 William came to the conclusion that it was not worth for him
to fight for the "Bill Lawrence" trade name. He said, " I can built up
a new name faster and cheaper. He abandons the company and planed to
go back to his homeland Germany, to start a new name and a new
company, instead to pay back the bank the $360.000.
Third National Bank foreclosed the assets including the trade name
"Bill Lawrence"
The Bank offered the company for sale, including the equipment, all
other assets and the Trade Name and trade mark "Bill Lawrence" and any
derivation rhereof.
Jzchak Wajcman was a 50% active owner. He offered the Bank a pay off
repayment plan, paid off the Bank and saved the company and the "Bill
Lawrence" trade name.
Willi Stich not only knew that on June 25th 1984 Wajcman purchased the
company and the Tradename from Third National Bank Willi was also
cooperative and encouraged the transaction between Degalim Inc and the
Bank.
In December 1999 William Stich willfully withheld material information
from the (USPTO) by denying his knowledge of any existing businesses
that may be in conflict with his registration and he registered "Bill
Lawrence" as a "Service" mark to market his consulting services. He
never registered a Trademark to market products. The USPTO may not
have issued him the registration Serial No: 75490657 on December 28
1999 for his "Service" mark if he would act according to the low.
However MR. Stich has been marketing his pickups using the federal
registration symbol for trade "R" next to the "Bill Lawrence" mark in
his print ads and on his web-site. This activity is against USPTO
rules because he is using "R" for purpose to which the mark was not
intended. This misleading information has fooled a lot of people into
believing that "Bill Lawrence" is a registered trademark for the
pickups that Mr. Stich currently manufactures, which is totally false.
You can verify this information by visiting the U.S. patent and
Trademark Office website at www.uspto.gov and searching for the "Bill
Lawrence" trademark.
The truth is that Jzchak Wajcman, owns the legal rights to the Bill
Lawrence name for marketing the guitars and pickups because he
purchased those rights as detailed in a certified document from Third
National Bank in Nashville, Tennessee in 1984.
anything comprises a
blatant attempt to
*ruin* the Bill Lawrence
name, it's the
ridiculously named and
very badly made
"SwampKaster" Tele
clone
SwampKaster review Harmony Central
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Bill-Lawrence/Swampkaster-T-01.html
Price Paid: US NA
Purchased from: N/A
NA
Features: 10
I just bought the Bill Lawrence SwampKaster Tele. I have used it on
two gigs and am quite impressed with it in every respect. It's new,
(2002) made in USA. It has a beautiful Butterscotch finish which is
transparent to show the attractive Swamp Ash wood grain. Tortise shell
pick quard. Two Bill Lawrence Tele type pickups, Vol., Tone, and three
way switch controls. 21 medium size frets that feel great under 91/2
guage strings. The action is very low and easy to play all the way up
or down the neck. The strings thread through the body from the back
and run over the six individually adjustable saddles. The tuners are
the split top/hollow center style that I love because the pointy end
of the string is safely hid in the center of the post and then wound
around it from there so as to eliminate the hastle of needle like ends
of strings pointing out in all directions getting caught on everything
or puncture wounding your precious finger tips. The neck is "Hard Rock
Maple" (the only way to fly)
Sound: 10
I have been a staunch Strat guy for many years. I play country music
but occasionally wander into the classic or southern rock side of
things too. So I thought a Strat was the all around guitar that could
easily cover all styles. But I now find that this guitar is perhaps
even better suited for that role. What I have loved about a Strat is
its ability to go from rhythm to lead tones so effectively. For
rhythm, I'm all about blending with the other musicians. For lead you
want to be heard above the others. This Bill Lawrence is even better
at this than my Strat, which I didn't think was possible. The volume
control reminds me of a well designed sports car that feels
comfortable in town at slower speeds but on the open highway there is
ample amounts of extra get up and go. As I played rhythm, I found that
I could get an amazingly sweet tone at a very comfortable volume leval
and if I wanted I could strum fully as if playing an accoustic guitar.
Turn the volume control up a little and I could play beautiful full
arpegios. I found that for lead there was so much headroom still left
in the volume control that it was like getting the greatest tone all
the while knowing there was yet more... Like a guitar that really does
go up to 11! I'm still learning the characteristics of the three
different switch positions, but I know they are very distinct. So far
I mostly stay in the middle which is both pickups on together. In that
position you get the clarity of the bridge pickup coupled with the
warmth of the neck pickup for a full glassy sweet tone. The bridge
pickup by itself is great for stomping on the compressor pedal and
getting the perfect country lead sound but you may want to pot down
the tone control a little as it is very bright sounding compared to
the other two settings. The neck pickup by itself is great for that
mellow jazzy sound or old blues or swinging country stuff. What really
impressed me most was the sweet sound of the dickups when I switched
to the distortion settings of my multi effects pedal. Whether I was on
the slight distortion of my "Vintage" setting or the screaming blaze
of my "Metal" setting, the pickups were so warm and dripping with good
sound that I found my playing was more inspired because of the ease
with which my tone was fitting the song - it made me sound like a
genius ha ha.
Action, Fit, & Finish: 9
As mentioned, the action is very low on this Tele. The only trouble
spot was a bit of buzzing in the low E string. However I noticed that
only as I was playing it unplugged at home in my room. Sometimes that
sound isn't there when plugged in. I don't recall hearing any buzzing
while playing the gigs. But if there is, it's easily fixed with an
adjustment to the low E string's saddle which raises just that string
and eliminates the buzzing. The guitar is put together extremely well.
Even the pickups are aligned under the strings with percision so that
no strings are left out in the cold by not having a pole piece lined
up under it. One thing that does bum me out but it's so minor is that
the volume knob is on slightly at a tilt so that as you rotate it you
can see it has a wobble look to it. I tried to straighten it but was
afraid I might damage the pot if I put too much pressure on it. No
biggie. That's why I give this category a 9 instead of 10.
Reliability/Durability: 10
This guitar is every bit a work horse and I would not bother with one
that was not.
Customer Support: N/A
Overall Rating: 10
I've been playing guitar for 30 years. I now own 8 guitars, 7 amps,
one bass guitar, one bass amp, and a PA. If I lost this guitar I would
buy it again because after trying a Tele I think you never want to be
without one again. I did compare this to the Swampcaster Strat but
liked the Tele much more. When it comes to Strats I'm already
satisfied with the one I have. One thing I wish it had is the kind of
strap lock strap buttons that a Fender Strat has. I hate the insecure
feeling of not having a strap lock of some kind of the instrument.
Submitted by Barry at 08/13/2002 02:33
Price Paid: N/A
Purchased from: N/A
local dealer
Features: 10
wow.i cant help but gush about this great guitar.we all know bill
lawrence for his great pickups.but he is in the guitar making world
now.this beatiful 3 tone sunburst lousianna swamp ash body with real
binding is an eye catcher for sure.it screams vintage tele!!im pretty
sure they are assembled in san deigo california.each string has its
own intonaton adjustment which is fantastic.(many tele's dont)maple
fingerboard with medium size frets.pricise tuning keys,3 position
pickup selector switch.vol and tone knobs.$650.00 list price!!!
INCREDIBLE
Sound: 10
WELL my buddy turned me on to this ax.and i must say after hearing
his,i had to order immidiatly.neck pickup sounds nice and full with
plenty of sparkle.roll down the tone knob and the guitar sounds like a
jazz box.bridge pickup sounds fat and sassy.from country to rock its
great.!!!
Action, Fit, & Finish: 10
the only thing i did was adjust the intonation.the guitar was set up
well other wise.tho ill personalise it for my playing style as we all
do .right?finish is nothing shor of fantastic.its a nice weight
too.lighter than many tele's ive played.i figured id better buy this
before bill lawrence wakes up one morning and realises he's nutsfor
selling this guitar for such low bread.i own and played many expensive
guitars over the years and this is as good as many of them
Reliability/Durability: 10
yes i would take this ax(swampcaster) to any gig or session.cant
stress enough how much vintage vibe for your dollar this guitar
is.smokin guitar at a incredidibly low price.hey its basically bill's
version of a tele.want a vintage style tele that'll hang with the best
of them.here ya go.
Customer Support: 10
never had to have any repairs but .when i talked to them they seem
very friendly.i guess have your local dealer call the lawrence
company.i dont see them in every store yet.if my friend had not
purchased one at a music show i would have never heard of it.lawrence
number is 1800 453 8145.tell em you read my revue..fino roverato
my friend there jim is a great cat.he helped me out greatly. great
country picker too..rock on pulcifer
Overall Rating: 10
ive been playing for 30 years.own a few guitars andamps including
grosh,larrivee,godin,lawrence,matchless,fender,prs.ive done manya
session,including touring as a membe of frankie valli and the 4
seasons.jingles..i would buy this ax again if stolin.i dig it>>>>
Submitted by fino at 04/02/2002 10:09
a cheap Asian
import selling for twice
as much as similar low-
end Fender imitations!
Price Paid: N/A
Purchased from: N/A
bruce at aampselectricguitarstore.com
Features: 9
First let me say that i have been playing guitar over 30 years, and i
used to own a vintage guitar store in NE Ohio. I recently bought a
Bill Lawrence Swampkaster T because a friend of mine picked one up at
a guitar show and brought it over for me to check out. Needless to
say, i was impressed. This American made guitar has a gorgeous
Looo...sianna Swamp Ash Body (i opted for the natural finish),and a
hard rock maple neck of equal quality.It is double bound with creme
color binding. It came equipped with T1 and T2 Black Label single coil
pickups(ever hear Roy Buchanan?) A standard 3 way tele switch, as well
as individual saddles, and string thru body setup. It has a 12"radius
maple board and the neck reminds me of a 70's C neck, but has a superb
graduation down to the higher registers,medium frets,and import
tuners.
Sound: 9
This is a great rock,or country guitar, but especially suited for da
blooze. I play this guitar thru a variety of amps.. 64 super reverb,
72 Super lead,Dr Z,and Dean Markley T-100 signature series. What is
especially interesting is the Volume/Tone interaction. I dont think i
ever rolled off highs on a tele, but believe you me this guitar has
spank. There is a variety of great tone by rolling off highs, as well
as rolling off volume. The sound remains articulate and soulfull by
varying degrees. The single coils as most single coils are a little
noisy, but not inordinately so when using high gain amps. With single
ended amps this is not a problem at all
Action, Fit, & Finish: 9
I do all my own set ups and neck alignments preferring to use .010"s
on this guitar. It played easy from the factory, but i have my own
preferences and adjustments that i like to make. The 12"radius
fretboard is a big plus for me (by eliminating a lot of string buzz
when bending notes on low action) The finishing on the neck and frets
is great as well as the neck route..really solid. Strung up with
.010's This guitar feels energized,ready to pop.
Reliability/Durability: 10
As i have already stated this American made guitar is made with high
quality wood, and it looks it.
Customer Support: 10
I havent had the need to deal with the Bill Lawrence company, but i
purchased the guitar from Bruce at aampselectricguitarstore.com and he
was friendly,well informed, and took care of bizzness when it came to
shipping the guitar to me.
Overall Rating: 10
I find it hard to believe that a guitar of this quality is selling for
$650.00 List......sheesh. I have already ordered a Swampkaster Strat
>Hey, I noticed this pic on your website:
>http://www.swampkaster.com/swampkaster/images/guitars/body.gif
>From looking at that pile of bodies on the right, I've got to
>ask...how many pieces of wood are used to make a SwampKaster body?
1) Don't ask about the piece
count, ask about the fact
that the swamp ash is
dried out and brittle to
the point where the wood
between the neck pickup
rout and the neck pocket
can literally fall apart.
The Bill Lawrence guitar Pickup co. in CA chose to manufacture the
SwampKaster guitars to show the full potential of sound that a solid
body guitar can produce. The SwampKaster guitars are the ultimate
traditionally shaped solid body guitar.
The Bodies are made of hand selected Swamp Ash from the swamp of
Luisiana USA. This is the most highly resonant and the most sought
after tonewood
for solid body guitars. And the same wood that was used for the
classic solid body guitars of the erly 1950'S. The Pickups are all
Bill Lawrence Pickups made in the USA. The hardware is from Asia and
the final assembly and set-up is done in San Diego California USA.
http://www.swampkaster.com
Try them yourself and you'll agree there's not a better sounding
guitar made today!
Bruce Morgen
I think the Shakespearean
phrase "full of sound and
fury, signifying nothing"
applies perfectly to the
latest reaction from this
semi-literate low-life.
Who the heck does this
fool believe he can fool?
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com wrote:
>>> Ask Washburn and not someone that
>>>occasionally consult with William Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>>>dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>>>
>>Based on your e-mail address, you're not exactly the voice of
>>objectivity here either though, are you?
>>
>1) Never claimed to be, but
>in this case facts are
>facts – and the fact is that
>Searched Groups for lawrence bruce morgen.Results about 979.
>Wow.
>
I'm an advocate and I
freely admit to it.
You're an incompetent
and an ethical
cesspool and can't
admit it. I can deal
that, no problem!
>
>2) Wajcman is severely
>ethically challenge and
>doesn't have the ability
>to produce a quality
>product. Except it isn't true.
>Until he recently
>became a Seymour Duncan
>endorser,
>
>Bruce Morgen, you are spending all your energy and time misleading and
>confusing the public..
Not even a small fraction
of it, I assure you!
>
>Many great guitarists using Bill Lawrence Pickups made by Jzchak
>Wajcman tribute the credit to Willi Stich thinking he is the producer
>of the products.
>
Are you saying that the
old friend you betrayed
*isn't* the designer of
you products and
therefore doesn't
deserve all the credit
he gets?
>3) Darrell used
>only genuine old BLs
>from the late '70s that
>Wajcman had nothing to
>do with.
>
>You really think you know every detail of information,
>So let me correct you.
>Wajcman made the 500XL for Dean Guitars
>for Darrel even before he made the Washburn Darrel pickups.
Darrell always put
genuine old BLs from
the late '70s into
every guitar he used
on-stage until he
signed on with Duncan
-- don't believe me?
Ask him!
>
>By the way in the 70's non of the pickups made by Willi Stich
>Where waxed. 100% of all old 70's hade only a few drops of resin.
>Willi Stich hade no knowledge in Plastic materials and he made the
>Bobbins out of ABS if put in hot wax the plastic will melt.
Whatever materials he chose
must have been excellent --
the '70s BLs still command
an excellent price on the
vintage market and are
coveted by players all over
the world. Your second-
rate imitations have almost
no market value at all.
The sole value of was is to
limit static electricity --
if this is controlled by
some other means the waxing
is redundant!
> Jzchak Wajcman changed the Bobin material to a special more expensive
>plastic that can hold high temperature of hot wax. Wajcman was the
>first one using the wax process in the L-500 All L-500's Made by
>Wajcman are not only Wax treated, they are also potted with resin.
As if any of that matters
when the pickups sound
and look like crap
compared to real BLs.
>
>4) Wajcman is a
>parasite trying to make
>a living off his old
>friend's name and the
>names of famous players who don't
>know him from Adam!
>
>
>Historical Facts
>
>Willi Stich was a guitarist playing in different clubs under the
>musicians name "Billy Lorento".
True.
>
>In 1965 Jzchak Wajcman and William Stich founded in Munich Germany the
>original Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickup Company (Lawrence Electro sound)
>Since Framus owned the trade name Billy Lorento,
>
>Jzchak Wajcman and Willi Stich invented a new name "Bill Lawrence". In
>1970 William Stich left Germany to the US.
You have an impaired and/or
twisted memory. Your
betrayed friend was already
entertaining American GIs
as "Bill Lawrence" before
that Munich meeting -- that
name appears on his official
Fender endorser photo from
1961. That photo is still
in Fender's archives and BL
has one of the originals on
file, so your stupid
bubbameiser doesn't hold a
drop of chicken soup! Of
course that German entity
(which was eventually sold
to a guitar company that
never got around to paying
you for it) is not the same
as Lawrence Sound Research,
which was an American
corporation formed years
later!
The fact is: Willi Lorenz
Stich has been known
professionally as a
performer and a designer
for over *forty years*.
You cannot legally use such
a widely-known person's
name in the State of
California without his
consent.
>
>By 1975 he formed a US corporation (LSR) Lawrence Sound Research) with
>his new partner Don Redmon.
>
>By 1978 William became the sole stockholder of (LSR)
>
>By 1982 he owed the Third National Bank in Nashville $360.000. Third
>National Bank in Nashville was ready to foreclose and he was about to
>file Bankruptcy. Willi realized that he could not hold the Company
>together alone. He went to California and offered Jzchak Wajcman to
>rejoin him as a 50% partner, one-half owner of the business. Wajcman
>took the challenge and accepted the offer.
You forgot to mention the
reason for the financial
crisis -- the predatory
swindling of Onsite! You
make it seem like your
betrayed friend wasn't
successfully selling
many thousands of dollars
worth of top-quality
products at very healthy
profit, which he was!
>
>By June 1982 Jzchak Wajcman started to reverse the losing trend and
>the company started to make profit.
>
ROTFLMAO -- your betrayed
friend got you involved
because of your skill as
a negotiator in the face
of the Onsite crisis, not
your ability as a manager!
The only way you know to
"make profit" is to cut
corners, lie, and cheat!
>In 1984 William came to the conclusion that it was not worth for him
>to fight for the "Bill Lawrence" trade name. He said, " I can built up
>a new name faster and cheaper. He abandons the company and planed to
>go back to his homeland Germany, to start a new name and a new
>company, instead to pay back the bank the $360.000.
Please reveal exactly
how much you actually
paid the bank -- we both
know it certainly wasn't
anywhere near "$360,000"
or "$360.000!" Don't
forget, I have access to
the court papers, so
don't try to lie again!
>
>Third National Bank foreclosed the assets including the trade name
>"Bill Lawrence"
An established designer
mark (registration is
optional) cannot become
a corporate asset
without a very specific
legal form duly signed
by the mark holder.
The bank and/or its
attorneys may have
stupidly believed
otherwise, but the
applicable law says they
were wrong (probably
just lazy and eager to
get paid).
>
>The Bank offered the company for sale, including the equipment, all
>other assets and the Trade Name and trade mark "Bill Lawrence" and any
>derivation rhereof.
>
I've seen the document.
There is no mention
of "Trade Name" or
"trade mark" in it --
but there is a clear
misrepresentation of
what "Degalim, Inc."
was as a corporate
entity, a mistake that
renders the whole
transaction legally
moot -- and you with
no rights whatseover.
>Jzchak Wajcman was a 50% active owner. He offered the Bank a pay off
>repayment plan, paid off the Bank and saved the company and the "Bill
>Lawrence" trade name.
>
Why don't you confess
how much you paid and
whose money you used?
>Willi Stich not only knew that on June 25th 1984 Wajcman purchased the
>company and the Tradename from Third National Bank Willi was also
>cooperative and encouraged the transaction between Degalim Inc and the
>Bank.
There's no evidence
that the above is true.
>
>In December 1999 William Stich willfully withheld material information
>from the (USPTO) by denying his knowledge of any existing businesses
>that may be in conflict with his registration and he registered "Bill
>Lawrence" as a "Service" mark to market his consulting services. He
>never registered a Trademark to market products. The USPTO may not
>have issued him the registration Serial No: 75490657 on December 28
>1999 for his "Service" mark if he would act according to the low.
USPTO procedures cover
all this nicely, and of
course Mr. Stich was not
applying for a product
trademark anyway --
surely your various
businesses since the
demise of "The Lawrence
Connection" weren't
capable of actually
designing anything, so
there was no conflict!
>
>However MR. Stich has been marketing his pickups using the federal
>registration symbol for trade "R" next to the "Bill Lawrence" mark in
>his print ads and on his web-site. This activity is against USPTO
>rules because he is using "R" for purpose to which the mark was not
>intended.
The website is a net
presence for both products
and services, so there is
no infraction whatsoever.
>This misleading information has fooled a lot of people into
>believing that "Bill Lawrence" is a registered trademark for the
>pickups that Mr. Stich currently manufactures, which is totally false.
>You can verify this information by visiting the U.S. patent and
>Trademark Office website at www.uspto.gov and searching for the "Bill
>Lawrence" trademark.
>
Your betrayed friend has
never depicted the
registration as anything
other than a designer
mark, which is an informal
subcategory of service
mark.
>The truth is that Jzchak Wajcman, owns the legal rights to the Bill
>Lawrence name for marketing the guitars and pickups because he
>purchased those rights as detailed in a certified document from Third
>National Bank in Nashville, Tennessee in 1984.
>
I've seen the document.
There are no such
detail in it, as you
very well know, but
their is the blatant
misrepresentation of
the corporate status of
the now-defunct
"Degalim, Inc."
"Fino" is either you or he's
both blind and deaf imo.
The "SwampKaster" I played
was a hunk of Asian junk!
Rolling off the tone pot
is attractive because
the bridge pickup in
these hunks of junk is
ice-pick harsh as well
as very noisy!
>Action, Fit, & Finish: 9
>I do all my own set ups and neck alignments preferring to use .010"s
>on this guitar. It played easy from the factory, but i have my own
>preferences and adjustments that i like to make. The 12"radius
>fretboard is a big plus for me (by eliminating a lot of string buzz
>when bending notes on low action) The finishing on the neck and frets
>is great as well as the neck route..really solid. Strung up with
>.010's This guitar feels energized,ready to pop.
>Reliability/Durability: 10
>As i have already stated this American made guitar is made with high
>quality wood, and it looks it.
Anyone who really thinks
these things look anything
like an American-made
product is either blind or
doesn't know what a cheap
Asian import looks like!
>Customer Support: 10
>I havent had the need to deal with the Bill Lawrence company, but i
>purchased the guitar from Bruce at aampselectricguitarstore.com and he
>was friendly,well informed, and took care of bizzness when it came to
>shipping the guitar to me.
>Overall Rating: 10
What have you offered
Bruce to get him to carry
your water for you? I
know he's a guitar teacher,
a DJ, and is somehow
involved in booking scuba
diving vacations and can't
get a Fender dealership,
but really, what's in it
for this poor sod other
than a possible future
visit from U.S. Customs
for selling Asian products
marked to look like they
were made in the U.S.A.?
>
>I find it hard to believe that a guitar of this quality is selling for
>$650.00 List......sheesh. I have already ordered a Swampkaster Strat
The list price should be
$250 at the most -- the
guitar is worth (at the
very best, assuming no
obvious flaws like the
ones in the one I tried)
less than $150 at
retail.
>
>>Hey, I noticed this pic on your website:
>>http://www.swampkaster.com/swampkaster/images/guitars/body.gif
>>From looking at that pile of bodies on the right, I've got to
>>ask...how many pieces of wood are used to make a SwampKaster body?
>
>1) Don't ask about the piece
>count, ask about the fact
>that the swamp ash is
>dried out and brittle to
>the point where the wood
>between the neck pickup
>rout and the neck pocket
>can literally fall apart.
>
>The Bill Lawrence guitar Pickup co. in CA chose to manufacture the
>SwampKaster guitars to show the full potential of sound that a solid
>body guitar can produce.
Surely you jest. "The
Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickup
Co." has neither the
people nor the equipment
to build a guitar -- these
guitars are imported from
mainland east Asia and you
know it!
>The SwampKaster guitars are the ultimate
>traditionally shaped solid body guitar.
Aside from their weight,
these things aren't even
as good as an under-$200
Squier Tele. The hardware
is chintzy, the pickups
look like crap and sound
worse, and the wood is
dessicated to the point
where it's starting to
fall apart! There's also
no country of origin
label on what is
obviously an Asian-made,
entry-level instrument.
>
>The Bodies are made of hand selected Swamp Ash from the swamp of
>Luisiana USA. This is the most highly resonant and the most sought
>after tonewood
>for solid body guitars. And the same wood that was used for the
>classic solid body guitars of the erly 1950'S. The Pickups are all
>Bill Lawrence Pickups made in the USA. The hardware is from Asia and
>the final assembly and set-up is done in San Diego California USA.
>http://www.swampkaster.com
If you're saying the bodies
are made of fifty year old
wood that's been stored in
a hot, poorly ventilated
warehouse, I believe you --
because the one I tried to
play was in severely
dessicated condition and
was starting to physically
disintegrate!
>
>Try them yourself and you'll agree there's not a better sounding
>guitar made today!
>
>http://www.swampkaster.com
ROTFLMAO -- anyone who does
this is urged to take a
very close look at the
pickups, the neck pocket
and, if possible, under the
pickguard. Those two
examinations will tell the
tale -- these things
wouldn't even pass Squier's
QC, let alone Fender's!
Disclaimer: I occasionally
Bruce Morgen
>Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message news:<ae77gvgdk4hpivpck...@4ax.com>...
>> kwe...@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
>
>Just want to correct a few more things. To make this more readable,
>I've removed the previous conversation. You can find the whole
>previous dialog at post #27:
>>
>> >Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message news:<auo5gvkpmhe8qk2ns...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>
>> Let us not discount the
>> possibilty that this
>> poster might be deaf,
>> blind, and/or heavily
>> ego-invested in his
>> purchases.
>>
>> He cannot possibly own
>> a single-blade L-250
>> made while BL was still
>> involved with Wajcman --
>> during that time there
>> was no such item, there
>> was a single-blade
>> "sidewinder" model
>> called the L-220 which
>> may or may not be
>> similar,...
>>
>The L-250 is basically an updated version of the L-220 and is also a
>"sidewinder" (coils are wound vertically and placed on either side of
>the blade rather than around it) and they did exist back when Bill and
>Mr. Wajcman were still partners. For proof, look at figure 91 on page
>39 of "Guitar Electronics for Musicians", published in '83 (Bill and
>Mr. Wajcman didn't split until '84). There is a picture of the L-250
>with the caption "The L-250, an attenuated flux version of the L-220."
>
So, it that was what the
Wajcman is selling, "an
attenuated flux version
of the L-220?" I don't
know and neither does he
-- in his case, because
he wouldn't know
"attenuated flux" if it
bit him on the butt!
>
>>... but going by
>> the disclaimer in the
>> Stew-Mac catalog
>> regarding variability
>> in DC resistance
>> readings they cannot
>> be identical -- I know
>> for a fact that Mr.
>> Wajcman cannot obtain
>> the custom magnet wire
>> BL specified for the
>> pickup. Why? Because
>> Wajcman stiffed the
>> Elektrisola company
>> for a substantial
>> amount of money and
>> they won't sell it him
>> -- even on a C.O.D.
>> basis. The guy is a
>> deadbeat in addition to
>> being technically
>> incompetent.
>>
>Whether the wire is the same or not, the old one and the newer L-250's
>sound as identical as two pickups can. I've had these for many years
>and used them in a number of guitars. They all sound fantastic.
>
Testimony noted.
>
>> A designer mark is a type
>> of a service mark. It can
>> be applied to a product
>> only with the permission of
>> the holder.
>>
>By definition a "service" mark "identifies and distinguishes the
>source of a service rather than a product". Service marks have nothing
>to do with products and cannot be used to market them. Look it up at
>www.uspto.gov .
>
There is nothing inappropriate
about depicting a product as
"designed by Bill Lawrence(R)"
since the use of the mark
refers to a service rather
than directly to a product.
Formally, what Willi Stich's
company sells are not "Bill
Lawrence(R) Pickups" but
rather "pickups designed by
Bill Lawrence(R)." Afaik
neither the products
themselves nor the packaging
and labeling bear the (R)
symbol.
>
>>Willi Lorenz
>> Stich provides design
>> services and may confer the
>> use of his registered mark
>> at his descretion to those
>> whom, in his judgement,
>> faithfully execute his
>> designs.
>>
>No one can give permission to others to use their registered mark for
>anything other than what it's registered for.
A designer may certainly
permit a manufacturer to
state that a product is
designed by him or her.
Given such use, the (R)
symbol can be displayed
as long as it indicates
the identity of the
designer!
>Since Bill only
>registered "Bill Lawrence" as a service mark to market his
>design/consulting services to manufacturers, he can only give
>permission for others to use it to market their design/consulting
>services to manufacturers.
An absurd interpretation!
>If he had registered "Bill Lawrence" as a
>"trade" mark to market pickups, THEN he could give permission for
>others to use it as a "trade" mark to market pickups.
>
Yet another!
>
>>Names like "Bill
>> Blass" and "Ralph Lauren"
>> are also designer marks
>> registered as service marks
>> because design is by
>> definition a service. Such
>> names may be additionally
>> used and registered as
>> product trademarks, but
>> that is only at the option
>> of and with the consent of
>> the mark holder.
>>
>The holder of a registered mark can only give permission for others to
>use it for whatever it's already registered for - if it's registered
>as a "service" mark, the holder can only give others permission to use
>it as a "service" mark, and only for the service it's registered for.
>If a "service" mark holder wants to give permission to others to use
>it as a "trade" mark, the "service" mark holder would need to register
>the same mark as a "trade" mark first. Once the mark has been
>registered as a "trade" mark, the mark holder can then give permission
>for others to use his "trade" mark. Check it out at www.uspto.gov .
>
There is nothing in the USPTO
rules that prohibits the
owner of a service mark from
permitting a manufacturer to
use that mark to indicate the
use of the denoted service(s)
as part of the description of
that product, as contrasted
to directly naming the
product!
>
>>In my
>> humble, non-professional
>> opinion, this poster does
>> not understand the law
>> regarding the various
>> categories of registered
>> marks. Since BL uses the
>> circled-"R" symbol as per
>> the advice of a patent and
>> trademark attorney there is
>> no reason to believe that
>> this use isn't entirely
>> appropriate -- to wit, his
>> website functions as an
>> internet presence used to
>> market both services and
>> products, and the products
>> are the direct fruit of
>> his design services and
>> afaik may be so marked at
>> his sole discretion.
>>
>Bill's website does not promote his design services. If it did, it
>would contain lots of statements such as, "Does your company need help
>designing pickups? Then call 'Bill Lawrence' for great designs at
>great rates!" His website is all about marketing his pickups and
>therefore he cannot use the federal registration symbol on it.
Well over 90 percent of
the BL website comprises
generic information on
pickup and electric guitar
technology designed to
illustrate the depth and
breadth of BL's
reputation, knowledge, and
achievements. Only a
small fraction of the
verbiage directly pertains
to selling products, and
nowhere on the site are
the products themselves
branded as "Bill Lawrence"
with the (R) symbol.
>>
>> The design of a guitar
>> pickup is intrinsic to its
>> function and performance
>> as a product, therefore
>> the "R" symbol may be used
>> in the marketing of a
>> product that is the result
>> of BL's design services --
>> just as the name of a
>> clothing designer can be
>> used the same way even if
>> the mark is not registered
>> as a "trade" mark.
>>
>A "service" mark for a design service does not apply to the marketing
>of the designed product - it only applies to the actual service that
>the designer is marketing - his design service! Bill's "service" mark
>is for marketing his design/consulting services to other
>manufacturers, such as Fender or Gibson. It applies to his use of
>"Bill Lawrence" in ads and marketing materials that say things like
>"Does your company need help designing pickups? Then call 'Bill
>Lawrence'!"
Once again, an absurdly
narrow interpretation
of the rules. With
permission of the mark
holder, I can most
certainly describe my
product as "designed by
Bill Lawrence(R)" or
even just "by Bill
Lawrence(R)" -- as long
as I do not directly
name the product, the
use of the service mark
is appropriate given
mark holder consent!
>
>As for designers using "service" marks to market products - a quick
>search on www.uspto.gov reveals that "Bill Blass" and "Ralph Lauren"
>are both registered as "trade" marks to market the various products
>which bear their names. (They may also be registered as "service"
>marks to market various services, but they are always registered as
>"trade" marks to market any products).
The distinction is the
use of the mark to
directly *name* a
product rather than
describe a product's
design as being the
result of the mark
holder's service(s).
>Just as these and all other
>designers have done, Bill would have to register "Bill Lawrence" as a
>"trade" mark in order to have exclusive rights to use it to market his
>pickups. Again, you can look all this up at www.uspto.gov .
>
He uses the mark to
denote the fact that
certain products are
the direct result of
his design service(s)
-- this is certainly
permissable as long
as the products are
not directly named
using the mark and
(R) symbol!
>
>> The registration symbol
>> only denotes registration
>> and "Bill Lawrence" is a
>> registered mark -- simple!
>>
>Per the USPTO, "you may use the registration symbol with the mark only
>on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the
>federal trademark registration". This is because the registration
>symbol is used to notify the public that the mark it appears next to
>is registered to market the goods or services that the mark appears on
>or with. Bill did not register "Bill Lawrence" as a "trade" mark to
>market his pickups, so he can't use the federal registration symbol
>next to "Bill Lawrence" in ads for his pickups, any more than he could
>use it next to "Bill Lawrence" in ads for donuts. Once again, you can
>verify this at www.uspto.gov .
Once again, too narrowly
interpreted -- if you
were correct, Wajcman
could go directly to
USPTO and complain!
>
>Here's the thing - As I said before, Bill is obviously aware of the
>difference between a "trade" and "service" mark because he has
>registered one of each ("Wilde USA" being the "trade" mark). But he's
>also aware that the general public doesn't know the difference and
>most likely wouldn't know if he mis-used the federal registration
>symbol. Luckily, the USPTO is easily accesible via their website,
>www.uspto.gov, and everyone can find all this out for themselves. So
>check it out.
>
The public doesn't care,
and Mr. Wajcman hasn't
complained to USPTO.
Why? One can only
speculate -- perhaps
Wacjman has already
consulted a patent and
trademark attorney and
was told there is no
grounds for complaint,
or perhaps he knows
that a complaint would
bring with it far too
much legal scrutiny of
his shady business
activities over the
past decade and a
half. I do know that,
if I were Wajcman, I
wouldn't welcome a
subpeona of my tax
returns!
Telinator
>Bill just needs to make it clear to the public that "Bill Lawrence" is
>not registered as a "trade" mark for marketing his pickups, by
>removing the registration symbol from his pickup ads and his website.
Why don't you sue him, then learn to edit quotes.
Bruce Morgen
>Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com> wrote in message news:<q56bgv80o9o9tkjat...@4ax.com>...
>> kwe...@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
>
>SEE MY COMMENTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST.
>FYI - My statements above regarding trademark rules and the use of the
>federal registration symbol are not merely my "narrow interpretations"
>- they were confirmed by discussions with representatives of the USPTO
>and a trademark attorney.
Well then, it's down
to dueling lawyers!
As far as I can see,
all BL has to do is
state that he uses
the mark to get the
most for his
advertising buck by
offering pickups and
speading his name
around for consulting
work in the same
space!
>
>There is not a whole lot of room for interpretation when it comes to
>use of the registration symbol - as I stated above, the purpose of the
>symbol is to notify the public that the mark has been regsitered for
>the purpose of marketing the goods or services it appears on, OR IN
>CONNECTION WITH ("in connection with" refers to marketing materials,
>displays, or ads that appear with, or pertain to, the goods or
>services in the registration). When Bill puts an ad in "Vintage
>Guitar" magazine with "Bill Lawrence(R) Originals" at the top and
>descriptions of pickups and their prices and how to order them, the
>"(R)" tells the world that "Bill Lawrence" is registered as a "trade"
>mark for marketing those pickups. Same with a website devoted to the
>sale of his pickups ("Bill Lawrence(R)" even appears on his "Pickup
>Window" page with pictures of his pickups - that's about as "in
>connection with" as you can get).
See above -- somebody's
been getting bad legal
advice, but we'll never
know for sure who that
is because Wajcman will
never put it to the
test.
>
>Designer labels ALWAYS indicate that the product they appear on, or
>that is being advertised, was "designed by" the designer who's name
>appears on, "or in connection with", the product. But the mark still
>must be registered as a "trade" mark, not just a "service" mark.
>
>Bill just needs to make it clear to the public that "Bill Lawrence" is
>not registered as a "trade" mark for marketing his pickups, by
>removing the registration symbol from his pickup ads and his website.
>
BL doesn't need to do
anything -- the other
contender in this dispute
cannot pursue legal
remedies because of the
dirt that's accumlated on
his hands over the past
decade and a half. His
rhetoric is just "sound
and fury, signififying
nothing," because even he
isn't stupid enough to
show his face in a
legally binding venue.
When your opponent is
handcuffed by his own
lack of ethics, you don't
have to be a great
gladiator to prevail in
court or with a
government agency -- you
simply have to show up,
knowing full well that
he won't.
Bruce Morgen
The more relevant
question is why won't
Wajcman complain to the
USPTO when Mr. Wells'
lawyer says that BL's
so clearly in the
wrong! Another is why
anyone with a modicum
of intelligence would
allow himself to be
even vaguely associated
with as shady an
individual as Wajcman!
As I've often told BL,
you can take EZ out of
the clip joints but
you'll never get the
clip joints out of EZ!
guitar...@billlawrencepickups.com
> >> possibilty that this
> >> poster might be deaf,
> >> blind, and/or heavily
> >> ego-invested in his
> >> purchases.
> >>
> >> He cannot possibly own
> >> a single-blade L-250
> >> made while BL was still
> >> involved with Wajcman --
> >> during that time there
If that's the case than why Did willi Stich copy Wajcman's L-250
Model# in his pickup program? to confus the consumer?
> So, it that was what the
> Wajcman is selling, "an
> attenuated flux version
> of the L-220?" I don't
> know and neither does he
> -- in his case, because
> he wouldn't know
> "attenuated flux" if it
> bit him on the butt!
Willi Stich is definitely a great showman.
When he talks about Pickups you think the
Pickup inventor stands in front of you. Without
any doubt he learned a few pages from the
Encyclopedia and he loves making you fill like an idiot.
He wouldn't know > "attenuated flux" if it bit him on the butt!
I know Willi for over 40 years. He was proud telling me:
"I am selling people Lokshen" and they eat it from my hands.
Aaaa you want to know what Willi's Lokshen is?
OK,
The given flux in the L-220 guitar pickup in cream color should
correspond to the flux of the source at the wavelength of the L-250 in
Black. You can't switch from the L-220 Cream guitar pickup to the
L-250 Black pickup without a password or special permission from the
Real, Real, Real, designer Mr. William Lorenz Stich, le King of
PP-Dance sorry MP Dance in France. WATNING! The end consumer that has
the permission from Willi Stich to go pishen must input his..…in
Willis… and observe the attenuated flux. In case of extinction, in
which he should use E(B-V)=0.0. Otherwise the guitarist using the
L-250 in Black can input an unattenuated flux in his or her pickup.
Only if designed by the Real Bill Lawrence and not by Wajcman. Don't
miss the ® or else the E(B-V) to the ETC will attenuate the flux
using the reddening models of Cardelli, Clayton, & Mathis, from 1989,
and William Lorenz Stich a/k/a the biggest BS = Billy Stich born in
Germany in 1924.
NOTE: When using the L-250 cream than the IUE or HST fluxes become
insufficient and the sound will be different. Don't call Wajcman Call
only BILL and Becky
Stay cool and happy 4th of July
EZ
Bruce Morgen
>> >> Let us not discount the
>> >> possibilty that this
>> >> poster might be deaf,
>> >> blind, and/or heavily
>> >> ego-invested in his
>> >> purchases.
>> >>
>> >> He cannot possibly own
>> >> a single-blade L-250
>> >> made while BL was still
>> >> involved with Wajcman --
>> >> during that time there
>Ø >> was no such item,
>
>
>If that's the case than why Did willi Stich copy Wajcman's L-250
>Model# in his pickup program? to confus the consumer?
>
Only a consumer who
can't count could
possibly be confused --
the pickup that Wajcman
sells has one blade and
BL's L-250 (which afaik
accounts for a low
single-digit percentage
of sales) has two.
>
>> So, it that was what the
>> Wajcman is selling, "an
>> attenuated flux version
>> of the L-220?" I don't
>> know and neither does he
>> -- in his case, because
>> he wouldn't know
>> "attenuated flux" if it
>> bit him on the butt!
>
>Willi Stich is definitely a great showman.
As a performer, he
definitely know how to
reach an audience.
>When he talks about Pickups you think the
>Pickup inventor stands in front of you.
Actually, he never uses
the term "inventor" or
even "invention." However,
the man who "stand in front
of you" is, according to
head guitar R&D honcho at a
top American firm, "the
most knowledgeable of
pickup designers."
>Without
>any doubt he learned a few pages from the
>Encyclopedia and
You're discounting five
decades of hands-on
experience -- the book
learning helps. of course,
but it's only part of the
picture, and it's at far
greater depth than found
in any "Encyclopedia."
>he loves making you fill like an idiot.
If that shoe didn't fit,
you wouldn't be wearing
it. Only the an insecure
man or a phony will "fill
like an idiot" when he's
shown what he doesn't
know.
I think that was a humor
attempt, but it came of
as pure jealously. I
hope you enjoyed what
may well be you last
Independence Day in the
country you've been
cheating and exploiting
for nearly twenty years.
Old Uncle Sam is really
quite displeased and his
patience has limits!
Count Scrofula
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> > This experience makes me very critical on such situations and I prefer
> > to believe nothing as far as I can't have RL experience on the
> > subject. Instead, I take everything with a grain of salt and prefer
> > the SD products.
> >
>
> I will add that I have asked knowledgeable luthiers who indeed told me
that
> BL pickups are on a par with the SD and DiMarzios, and I have no doubt
that
> the product is good and top quality. I will probably buy BL pickups
someday
> when I can afford it. But I am still hesitant to believe one side's story
> for the other.
The LAwrence pickups are not only as good or better than just about anything
else out there, but they are an incredible deal. Prices are excellent!
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rks...@gmail.com
> Ok, what the heck gives here?
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> http://www.billlawrenceusa.com/
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> www.billlawrence.com
I have a 70's Guitar Player Magazine and this German White Bearded dude looks 55 easily so I do not think he would still be making much,let alone pickups today,though I do not know,but THE advertisement was for genuine Bill Lawrence strings pickups et al,any way I have 2 of the HAMER used OBL noiseless single coil FIT but 2 RAILS instead of pole pieces and they're very low out put but have a real "single coil"twang to them they were kindly given to me by Chris "KLONDIKE" Masuak ex RADIO BIRDMAN HITMEN DTK and as Himself I do believe
Sincerely
Bob Sattler also : https://soundcloud.com/rks26