Ovation Breadwinner
Lawrence�Logic
Les Paul with a strange shape?
For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
--
Lawrence
"A 50% rise each year means that in three years, the world will be only
minorities!" - Eric Cartman - 19 October 2009
Nil
<lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically
> just a Les Paul with a strange shape?
I briefly played a couple when they were first marketed back in the
day, but I don't remember much about the experience. I don't think they
sounded much like a Les Paul - they have bolt-on necks, active
electronics, the controls are very different than the standard Gibson
setup.
I've always been strangely attracted to them. They're odd-looking...
but not ugly.
Lawrence�Logic
"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 20 Dec 2009, "Lawrence Logic"
> <lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
>
>> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically
>> just a Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
> I briefly played a couple when they were first marketed back in the
> day, but I don't remember much about the experience. I don't think they
> sounded much like a Les Paul - they have bolt-on necks, active
> electronics, the controls are very different than the standard Gibson
> setup.
>
"Active electronics" implies that it has a battery. That won't suit me at
all because I'm forgetful and I'll run the battery down by leaving it
plugged in. That's a secondary reason why I got rid of the Ibanez 5-string
bass.
> I've always been strangely attracted to them. They're odd-looking...
> but not ugly.
>
I used to love them because Keith Partridge played one. I was only about 9
or 10 at the time though! While this hadn't entered my mind when I thought
about getting one, the old farts in the "crowd" would probably be surprised
to see one up on stage in the 21st century.
The Burns Flyte is probably in the same boat in that respect. Apparently it
was quite a good guitar.
--
Lawrence
"Statistically speaking, the most bacteria-ridden place on the planet is the
mouth of an American woman, and you're going to let that near your penis?" -
Eric Cartman - 11 March 2009
Greendistantstar
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>
Played a few back in the day (plus the Deacon, from the same stable) and my local guitar shop has
one up on the wall as decoration.
I liked them; very smooth neck, and solidly made, a Gibson-type sound, nice for blues. The cons,
very microphonic pups with feedback issues and not everyone liked the looks.
Ovation have been very inventive over the years, some great hits and a few misses.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Dr. Zontar
wrote:
> I liked them; very smooth neck, and solidly made, a Gibson-type sound, nice for blues.
I'd guess they sound more like SG than an LP. Is that right? The body
doesn't look all that thick. Jeff Lynne played one in the 70's, didn't
he?
- Rich
jtees4
<lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote:
>Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
>Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
>For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
>out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
I played one way back when, have always kind of wanted one. It did not
feel at all like a Gibson, I guess not a Fender either. Kind of
inbetween. I guess soundwise too, it really didn't nail either, I
guess closer to a Gibson than a Strat...but still it's own sound and
feel. Sorry, that's as close as I can nail it down after all these
years. Glen Cambell played one of the varioations too, in fact he
endorsed them.
****
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Grip
I had a wierd looking Ovation years ago, basically an ES 335 design
with their signature headstock, the entire thing made of the balck
plastic their acoustics sported. Awesome player as I recall....as far
as reviews, Harmony central is a good starting place for amps and
such, but the only review that matters with guitars is yours:-)
Greendistantstar
> On Dec 20, 2:53 am, Greendistantstar <Greendistants...@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>> I liked them; very smooth neck, and solidly made, a Gibson-type sound, nice for blues.
>
> I'd guess they sound more like SG than an LP. Is that right?
Yes, more SG-like, but still not quite that either. Like an out-of-phase SG if that makes any sense.
> The body doesn't look all that thick.
It wasn't. They looked like a shark fin, felt a bit weird to begin with, but once you got used to it
it was fine. A hella good blues guitar, through a cranked tube amp it had a nasty, throaty growl.
The body design IMO was and still is one of the most innovative. How many electrics are simply
variations on the Strat, LP, Tele & SG themes? 95%? But the Breadwinner and Deacon just don't fit
any mold, and why the design never really caught on escapes me. Some luthiers have made
Breadwinner/Deacon clones with exotic woods and pups, and from some of the pics I've seen, they are
stunning guitars.
> Jeff Lynne played one in the 70's, didn't he?
Dunno, was never a Lynne/ELO fan. Rick Derringer played one for a while IIRC.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Greendistantstar
Ray
I didn't see this mentioned in the thread yet:
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/breadwinner/images/breadwinner-big/0594breadwinnerwhiteFINAL.jpg
It doesn't have the same pickups and may not feature some of the same
space age materials. (I had an Ovation UKII that was made of all
manner of weird stuff polymers and fiberglass and such. Should never
have parted with that weird bird, that's why I do not sell guitars any
more.)
Les Cargill
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
No. Seriously, it's more a Tele sounding thing. Or something.
> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>
Here's a demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFoP8zQOnQ
--
Les Cargill
Nil
alt.guitar:
> Here's a demo.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFoP8zQOnQ
But that's not an Ovation. The electronics are very different than the
original, so I would expect it to sound very different.
This copy sounds pretty good, though.
Greendistantstar
Lost in the Wasteland
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner?
>
http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1973_Ovation_Breadwinner_white.jpg
Dammit Jim .. Looks like something from a Star Trek visit to a planet
gone bad, Teisco clone w/ foil pickups ? " Groovy Man " , Need
GoGo dancers but I'm only a doctor !
jtees4
wrote:
Cool...I was not aware of that Eastwood.
sa...@dog.com
wrote:
I had an Ovation Preacher solid body 12-string that had active
electronics. I REALLY wish I still had it.
TheChris
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just
a
> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I
checked
> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>
There are literally hours of Partridge Family videos and LP's showcasing
their sonic range :)
Honestly, I'd buy one just for that...
And didn't Ace Frehley play one in the very beginning??
Les Cargill
But he never actually plays the thing.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
> On 20 Dec 2009, Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote in
> alt.guitar:
>
>> Here's a demo.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFoP8zQOnQ
>
> But that's not an Ovation.
Wow, so it is not. My bad.
> The electronics are very different than the
> original, so I would expect it to sound very different.
>
But that's what the original sounded like.
> This copy sounds pretty good, though.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:26:13 GMT, "Lawrence Logic"
> <lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
>> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>>
>> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
>> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>
> I played one way back when, have always kind of wanted one. It did not
> feel at all like a Gibson, I guess not a Fender either. Kind of
> inbetween. I guess soundwise too, it really didn't nail either, I
> guess closer to a Gibson than a Strat...but still it's own sound and
> feel. Sorry, that's as close as I can nail it down after all these
> years. Glen Cambell played one of the varioations too, in fact he
> endorsed them.
>
>
You mainly saw him with Preachers, which sounded a lot the same.
Something Getsch-ey about the sound.
>
> ****
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
> http://www.reviewmymusicnow.com
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Les Cargill
Nil
alt.guitar:
> Nil wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2009, Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote in
>> alt.guitar:
>>
>>> Here's a demo.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFoP8zQOnQ
>>
>> But that's not an Ovation.
>
> Wow, so it is not. My bad.
>
>> The electronics are very different than the
>> original, so I would expect it to sound very different.
>
> But that's what the original sounded like.
OK, if you say so. Perhaps the basic pickup sounds are similar, but I
bet the tonal variations were quite different. Like I said earlier, I
played one decades ago, but I don't remember it sounding that good. I
wonder if my playing had anything to do with it???
I know that Ovation has a 12-string Breadwinner. If this really is what
the originals sounded like, I bet the 12er sounded very nice.
jtees4
I though Kieth always played the hollow body Ovation...at least from
what I remember.
TheChris
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To the casual viewer.... :)
I'm just kidding with you... I think Danny played the solid-body basses
(or acted as he was)... I seem to remember one or two things with
Cassidy with a solid-body... But.. It's all a joke - they never played
on those tracks... It must have been some endorsement deal..
Here's a page of Ace Frehley with some Breadwinners..
http://www.acefrehleylespaul.com/AceWithoutALesPaul.html
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David Light
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Here's a page of Ace Frehley with some Breadwinners..
>
>http://www.acefrehleylespaul.com/AceWithoutALesPaul.html
>
The guitar guy in ABBA played a white Breadwinner. I've had
one since I was 15 myself (bought in 1975). It's got a great neck and
has a good tone with a lot of variation (notch filter to simulate
single coil, active preamp/eq). To get the best out of it you have to
set the tone control to mid range and set the amp tone where you like
it best. then use that as a starting point. If you crank the tone
all the way up it will sound thin.
RS
<lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote:
>Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
>Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
>For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
>out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
I'm a bit late to this party, but thought I should check in. I have
worked on those. They didn't sound very LP-like to me. Not sure what
the body was...maybe alder. Natural tone would have been OK, but the
active electronics had a really annoying treble boost. It was done
with a single cap, so it was an easy matter to get better tone by
lifting one end of the cap.
Not sure if Ovation kept that boost in circuit through the years, but
that contributed to shrieking high end, especially with high-gain
bands.
But with the cap lifted...not so bad. Some nice sounds! Still not a
Paul.
Lawrence�Logic
"David Light" <!dpl...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Thanks David, and all who responded.
I think Nil's response was the killer for me. I can't have a guitar with a
battery (or even two of them) because I'll run them down by forgetting to
unplug the guitar. Do they still work with the battery run down?
My Ibanez bass had no output when the battery was exhausted, although I
remember Mo at Nowra Music Studios telling me about a customer with a Maton
that had active pickups. The customer said that the guitar had lost its
"spark", and Mo suggested that the battery was flat. After being abused for
not knowing anything about electric guitars, Mo directed him to the battery
cover on the back...
--
Lawrence
"I got such a raging clue that I almost shot clue goo all over Joe." - Frank
Hardly - 11 October 2006
Tony Done
"Lawrence Logic" <lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote in message
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Blade guitars have a three-way switch that has two active positions, mid
boost and bass-treble boost, both adjustable by trimpots. The third switch
position bypasses actives and uses the tone and volume controls in passive
mode. A simple and efficient system IMO.
Tony D
TheChris
Dude... they're just pickups... Take them out and replace them with
Duncans or Dimarzio's... It's not like they have something on them
that's a deal killer - like a Kahler or Floyd Rose..
Nil
<lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
> I think Nil's response was the killer for me. I can't have a
> guitar with a battery (or even two of them) because I'll run them
> down by forgetting to unplug the guitar. Do they still work with
> the battery run down?
I know what you mean. My main guitar is a Strat with EMG pickups. The
battery do last for a long time (up to a year), but I have to be
diligent about unplugging it when I'm not playing it.
I also have three basses with built-in preamps, a G&L L-2000, a Fender
Marcus Miller Jazz, and a Peavey Dynabass. Fortunately, all of them
function with the battery bypassed. I don't know how I accumulated all
these active instruments, because I don't really approve of the
concept.
TheChris
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I'm REALLY down on active pickups... It isn't really an issue to unplug
my electrics... It's my acoustics that I forget about...
RichL
> On 22 Dec 2009, "Lawrence Logic"
> <lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
>
>> I think Nil's response was the killer for me. I can't have a
>> guitar with a battery (or even two of them) because I'll run them
>> down by forgetting to unplug the guitar. Do they still work with
>> the battery run down?
>
> I know what you mean. My main guitar is a Strat with EMG pickups. The
> battery do last for a long time (up to a year), but I have to be
> diligent about unplugging it when I'm not playing it.
My Ibanez bass is still going strong 3+ years after I got it. Original
battery.
Ovation Legend: 5 years (really) without a battery change!
Seagull: 1 1/2 years +, original battery.
The key is I *never* forget to unplug.
> I also have three basses with built-in preamps, a G&L L-2000, a Fender
> Marcus Miller Jazz, and a Peavey Dynabass. Fortunately, all of them
> function with the battery bypassed. I don't know how I accumulated all
> these active instruments, because I don't really approve of the
> concept.
I didn't know they needed your approval ;-)
Basses and acoustics, I don't mind using actives. (With acoustics you
don't really have a choice, do you?) On electric guitars, no thanks,
but that's just my preference. It's fine with me if Jim uses 'em :-)
Nil
> I didn't know they needed your approval ;-)
Neither do they, it seems. I give them dirty looks, but they keep on
consuming electricity.
> Basses and acoustics, I don't mind using actives. (With acoustics
> you don't really have a choice, do you?) On electric guitars, no
> thanks, but that's just my preference. It's fine with me if Jim
> uses 'em :-)
I have a love/hate thing going with the EMGs. I've been using them for
more than 15 years. For years they will sound good to me, then suddenly
the won't. When that happens, I have a second pickguard loaded with
Fender, Dimarzio, and Lace pickups that I drop in. And I'm gathering
the parts for another drop-in setup that will have a set of Fender
57/62 pickups, for a more "vintage" sound.
As for the basses, for me the active electronics are just an
unnecessary complication. I don't slap, and I'm not going for that
modern, hi-fi sound, I mostly need a nice round punchy sound without
the extended highs and lows. And if I do want that sound, it seems to
work better for me to get it from the amp than the bass itself. Maybe
if I gigged regularly on the instrument the active setup would have
more value to me.
My acoustics' batteries last a long time, to, because they hardly ever
get plugged in! I'll use a mic if I can. But yeah, my Ovation's battery
has always lasted a super-long time, for some reason.
This discussion reminds me of my first encounter with on-board active
electronics. In the late '70s I played a hard-tail Strat through a
homemade compressor or preamp into a Mesa-Boogie amp. This setup
sounded great to me. Then I met this guy who claimed to have worked
with Rex Bogue, who had designed active electronics setups for John
McLaughlin and Frank Zappa. I commissioned this guy to install a preamp
in my Strat. When I got it back, I found that he had accidentally
drilled a hole through the controls department right out the back of
the guitar ("the drill slipped, sorry!") But the worse thing was, I
HATED the sound of the preamp. It just didn't drive the amp the way I
wanted, and sounded cold and sterile. I played it for a year or so,
trying to like it, then finally went back to my homemade boxes. It was
another of my expensive failed electric guitar experiments.
Nil
alt.guitar:
> I'm REALLY down on active pickups... It isn't really an issue to
> unplug my electrics... It's my acoustics that I forget about...
I'm not particularly up on them myself. The EMGs were an '80s
acquisition that still mostly work OK for me. I like passive pickups
more, in general. The basses just came with them, and I didn't think
that much about them at the time. I don't mind the active bass
electronics, except that they are just one more thing to break... and
in fact, there's something wrong with the preamps in all three of them!
I'd rather have a passive instrument, if for no other reason that they
are so simple that they can hardly break down!
TheChris
news:Xns9CEA16CF...@130.133.4.11:
Same here.. I have an electric with EMG's - it sounds great - but, not
greater than any of my other guitars with Duncan Distortions..
Honestly, I don't even have tone pots in my guitars, so all that active
EQ stuff is lost on me :)
However- the battery does last a long time... really long..
TheChris
KzWnZ2dnU...@supernews.com:
> Basses and acoustics, I don't mind using actives. (With acoustics you
> don't really have a choice, do you?) On electric guitars, no thanks,
> but that's just my preference. It's fine with me if Jim uses 'em :-)
You have a choice - I have an Epiphone that I bought some under-the-
saddle pickup... Goes straight to an output jack. Of course, I always
play through a Boss EQ with that guitar - that gives me all the boosting
and shaping I need with NO battery.
But when I plug one of my other guitars into it... Havoc! :)
jtees4
wrote:
I really like my EMG's in a couple of guitars that I won. Then again,
if I ran into a problem I might change my mind.
TheChris
news:gel4j5t9qh3r6lc88...@4ax.com:
I never thought of it as a 'weak link' thing... I just never saw the
benefits.. Granted.. I play distorted all the time... Nuances escape me
:)
Les Cargill
> On 22 Dec 2009, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in
> alt.guitar:
>
>> I'm REALLY down on active pickups... It isn't really an issue to
>> unplug my electrics... It's my acoustics that I forget about...
>
> I'm not particularly up on them myself. The EMGs were an '80s
> acquisition that still mostly work OK for me. I like passive pickups
> more, in general. The basses just came with them, and I didn't think
> that much about them at the time. I don't mind the active bass
> electronics, except that they are just one more thing to break...
EMGs just don't.
> and
> in fact, there's something wrong with the preamps in all three of them!
Uck.
> I'd rather have a passive instrument, if for no other reason that they
> are so simple that they can hardly break down!
For bass, actives make a massive difference. For one, you can
wind the pickups such that any poles in the filter they make
are well above the audible range, so they're always very
linear.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
> On 22 Dec 2009, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
>
>> I didn't know they needed your approval ;-)
>
> Neither do they, it seems. I give them dirty looks, but they keep on
> consuming electricity.
>
>> Basses and acoustics, I don't mind using actives. (With acoustics
>> you don't really have a choice, do you?) On electric guitars, no
>> thanks, but that's just my preference. It's fine with me if Jim
>> uses 'em :-)
>
> I have a love/hate thing going with the EMGs. I've been using them for
> more than 15 years. For years they will sound good to me, then suddenly
> the won't. When that happens, I have a second pickguard loaded with
> Fender, Dimarzio, and Lace pickups that I drop in. And I'm gathering
> the parts for another drop-in setup that will have a set of Fender
> 57/62 pickups, for a more "vintage" sound.
>
> As for the basses, for me the active electronics are just an
> unnecessary complication. I don't slap, and I'm not going for that
> modern, hi-fi sound, I mostly need a nice round punchy sound without
> the extended highs and lows. And if I do want that sound, it seems to
> work better for me to get it from the amp than the bass itself. Maybe
> if I gigged regularly on the instrument the active setup would have
> more value to me.
>
I won't go back to passive bass pickups. I've tried; it no longer
works. And I don't use monster treble or slap tones, just
plain ole bass. But it is a thousand times cleaner than passives.
At the very least, I'd add a single-opamp preamp to passives.
<snip>
--
Les Cargill
RichL
> As for the basses, for me the active electronics are just an
> unnecessary complication. I don't slap, and I'm not going for that
> modern, hi-fi sound, I mostly need a nice round punchy sound without
> the extended highs and lows. And if I do want that sound, it seems to
> work better for me to get it from the amp than the bass itself. Maybe
> if I gigged regularly on the instrument the active setup would have
> more value to me.
My kids bought me my Ibanez bass; I'm not sure I would have selected one
with actives if I chose a bass myself. I've got the Rickenbacker 4001
which suits me fine for "old school" sound, but I must say I enjoy
swapping back and forth between the Ric and the Ibanez. I do use a very
long cord with the Ibanez though, it helps roll off some of that
"sterile" top end.
David Light
<lawrence-Omit...@amd-p.com> wrote:
>I think Nil's response was the killer for me. I can't have a guitar with a
>battery (or even two of them) because I'll run them down by forgetting to
>unplug the guitar. Do they still work with the battery run down?
>
The batteries can get quite low and the guitar will still work. But
if they are dead you get no sound. When I was gigging with the guitar
I changed the batteries about once a year, which was more than really
needed.
sa...@dog.com
wrote:
I had an ovation 12 string preacher with active electronics. You could
hear obvious distortion when the batteries got week.
David Light
I think the preacher used the same preamp as the breadwinner. I
don't think I ever ran the batteries down enough to find the
distortion on the breadwinner. I do ussually read the voltage on the
old batteries when I change them (out of curiousity). I don't
remember the exact voltages read, but I do remember them being below 5
volts or so per battery, which seems quite low to me. I think because
the old preamps don't have any IC's in them. They use discrete
JFET's, probably because there were no good opamp IC's at the time.
Anyway, I'd love to have a 12 string breadwinner or preacher at some
point.
David Light
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Here's a page of Ace Frehley with some Breadwinners..
>
>http://www.acefrehleylespaul.com/AceWithoutALesPaul.html
>
The guitar guy in ABBA played a white Breadwinner. I've had
sa...@dog.com
wrote:
Although it wasn't exactly a high end guitar, I really wish I hadn't
sold that preacher. One of these days, I'll probably stumble across a
good one and grab it. I've had chances to buy a few, but they were
beaters.
David Light
>
>Although it wasn't exactly a high end guitar, I really wish I hadn't
>sold that preacher. One of these days, I'll probably stumble across a
>good one and grab it. I've had chances to buy a few, but they were
>beaters.
>
I recently saw a 12 string breadwinner on ebay. I wanted to go for
it, but didn't think it smart since I really need an acoustic/electric
6 string. I have more guitars than my wife thinks I need now. I'll
save the beating I'll get for a guitar I think need.
What I like best about the Ovation electrics made in the 70's time
frame were the necks. I love the feel of the thin profile necks. The
tone of the breadwinner is OK, but nothing outstanding. I use the
breadwinner only in the studio and then only when I need the sharp
attack twang that is has.
sa...@dog.com
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:57:24 -0500, sa...@dog.com wrote:
The guy who bought my Preacher 12-string was planning to use it as a
six-string. I thought he was making a mistake.
The electronics in it were really designed for 12 string. 12 strings
tend towards being mostly midrange. The pre-amp made it sound much
fuller than my gibson 12 string, which played very well, but I never
really liked much.
http://vintage-guitars.blogspot.com/2006/05/gibson-es-335.html
David Light
>The guy who bought my Preacher 12-string was planning to use it as a
>six-string. I thought he was making a mistake.
A guy I know did the same thing with an electric 12 string for
awhile. The neck just didn't feel right at all.
>The electronics in it were really designed for 12 string. 12 strings
>tend towards being mostly midrange. The pre-amp made it sound much
>fuller than my gibson 12 string, which played very well, but I never
>really liked much.
>
>http://vintage-guitars.blogspot.com/2006/05/gibson-es-335.html
>
I hadn't compared preamp schematics between the 12 and 6 string, but
I guess it wouldn't be much of a change to make the eq sections
different. I mod'd the breadwinner preamp in mine when one of the
JFETs died. I replaced all the JFETs and changed the value of the one
of the resistors to give it a little extra gain (it goes to 11 now).
That was years ago in my "hotter output is better" stage. I wouldn't
mind putting the resistor value back to stock now. I toyed with the
idea of replacing the tone pot (which is a dual pot, one for bass, one
for treble, tied to one shaft) with a dual shaft, dual pot with
stacked controls that would allow individually adjusting the bass and
treble. At this point though I want to keep it as stock as possible.
ad...@deluxe-private-hire.co.uk
> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>
> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>
> Lawrence
> "A 50% rise each year means that in three years, the world will be only
> minorities!" - Eric Cartman - 19 October 2009
See www.clowray.co.uk (current 2013)
The_Chris
>> Has anyone here owned or played a Breadwinner? Are they sonically just a
>> Les Paul with a strange shape?
>>
>> For some obscure reason, I thought that I might get hold of one. I checked
>> out Harmony Central but there weren't any reviews of them.
>>
>> --
>> Lawrence
>> "A 50% rise each year means that in three years, the world will be only
>> minorities!" - Eric Cartman - 19 October 2009
>
> See www.clowray.co.uk (current 2013)
strange shape? Epiphone Les Pauls aren't even sonically Les Pauls!! :)
I've played them... and I have (with me now in Afghanistan) an Ovation
Ultra GS. I think the Breadwinner would be a cool thing to have. Ace
Frehley used one in the VERY early days. I think they have a lot of
switching/phasing possibilities.
If you like owning unique guitars, get it... A Les Paul it ain't :)
jtees4
<TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>ad...@deluxe-private-hire.co.uk wrote:
they weren't even trying to be an LP.
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Nil
> Totally agree with Chris. Great, cool guitars....not an LP. In
> fact, they weren't even trying to be an LP.
they treblier? Less Sustain-ier? Would you compare them more to a
Fender or some other familiar sound? Are there any recorded examples
that feature their unique qualities?
I always liked their looks.
notbob
> Totally agree with Chris. Great, cool guitars....not an LP. In fact,
> they weren't even trying to be an LP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-E_TpaSoU
No doubt a lotta ag regulars will disagree, but I like this guy. He's
not impressed by brands, except for investment/resale. For playing,
Motsomuko, Washburn, Peavey, etc. Washburns better than
Martin/Taylor!? Blashphemy! Or is it? I'll put my 40 yr old fluke
FG-160 Yammy up against 60-70 yr old D-18/28 Martins, any day. Sold
my 3 screw neck Strat and kept my Aria Pro II. I don't know about the
Floyd Rose on a Aria Pro, but I have an ActIII locking trem and it
will stay in tune forever, even with huge whammy movenment (2 springs
removed).
What say ye ag'ers? Zis guy got creds?
n
RichL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFoP8zQOnQ
I had found another one earlier that had a version of the guitar with
single-coil pickups. In that one, the bridge and neck pickups were out of
phase when both were engaged, and the guy didn't seem to know what the
active/passive switch was for.
jtees4
was the Deacon that would have been more LP like as it was mahogany
and humbucking pickups. mini size (might depend on different models
too)...I think the Breadwinner had active pickups and was nothing like
an LP, all were bolt on necks I think. There may have been later
models that were not active, not sure of all the details. I played a
few many many years ago, from what my distorted or possibly medicated
mind remembers....they had their own sound...not Fender or Gibsonish.
I always liked them just for the look, it was good enough for
expensive Klein guitars to basically copy.
notbob
> was the Deacon that would have been more LP like as it was mahogany
> and humbucking pickups. mini size (might depend on different models
> too)...I think the Breadwinner had active pickups and was nothing like
> an LP, all were bolt on necks I think. There may have been later
> models that were not active, not sure of all the details. I played a
> few many many years ago, from what my distorted or possibly medicated
> mind remembers....they had their own sound...not Fender or Gibsonish.
> I always liked them just for the look, it was good enough for
> expensive Klein guitars to basically copy.
one out on a good amp, but was always impressed with the greased
lightening action. Funky looking as all get out, but were very
balanced and handled perfectly.
This the total opposite from the Ovation acoustics, which everyone was
playing, yet I totally despised due to the simple fact you couldn't
rest that damned synthetic rounded back on yer knee without it sliding
off. Plus, was never impressed with their sound. I never found out,
for sure, but suspected the elect/acoustic's were heavily promoted and
given free to prominent musicians so they'd get played/seen. I know
they were really hot, for awhile, then jes disappeared as quickly as
they'd mysteriously appeared.
nb
jtees4
the day....they were considered the holy grail at the time! I would
love to own a Deacon/BW....but I'd also love to find and try one of
the 335 types like the one that Keith Partridge played back when.
Les Cargill
several Ovies in L.A. studios back in the day. So they worked
for something.
--
Les Cargill
Nil
> This the total opposite from the Ovation acoustics, which everyone
> was playing, yet I totally despised due to the simple fact you
> couldn't rest that damned synthetic rounded back on yer knee
> without it sliding off.
sits pretty well on my knee - it has a patch of rough material on the
body at that contact point that keeps it in place. Don't they all have
that?
> Plus, was never impressed with their sound.
it turned out I never much used it for that. There's something
unsatisfactory to me about the acoustic sound. I've never been able to
get a good recorded sound out of it, either. The best thing about the
guitar is it's unusual stereo pickup - every other string goes to a
different channel. Good for certain effects, like arpeggiated chords
come bouncing out of everywhere.
%
pudentame
down.
%
pudentame
The_Chris
Boston album was done with one.
I'm kinda with you - I wouldn't just say any guitar is better than a
Martin/Taylor.. A guitar has to have good hardware, and be
mathematically correct. The whole thing with the sound is a crap shoot.
I've recorded with plywood electrics (Hondos) and PRS's.... Of course
I'd rather own the PRS, but, my Hondo Vee smoked it with a Duncan
Invader :)
The_Chris
You could line up 5 Gibson Les Pauls and some would be less sustainy :)
They have active electronics for one, they were shaped like an axe, they had two single coil or two mini
humbuckers (again, very few LP's, if any, had minis).
If anything, I'd compare it to some of those freaky Guild Electrics that
were made around the same time.
I'd eat that guitar up. I love my Ultra-GS... It's in a weird
Green color, and the shape is pretty boring - but it has a
Dimarzio Super Distortion (black) stock
......What color is it?
The_Chris
>
> I may be getting the Breadwinner and Deacon mixed up, but I think it
> was the Deacon that would have been more LP like as it was mahogany
> and humbucking pickups. mini size (might depend on different models
> too)...I think the Breadwinner had active pickups and was nothing like
> an LP, all were bolt on necks I think. There may have been later
> models that were not active, not sure of all the details. I played a
> few many many years ago, from what my distorted or possibly medicated
> mind remembers....they had their own sound...not Fender or Gibsonish.
> I always liked them just for the look, it was good enough for
> expensive Klein guitars to basically copy.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
because we're from New York :) I remember when Lou Reed played one.
Of course, the only famous people to play Breadwinners were David
Cassidy and Glen Campbell :)
I remember the name Deacon, but, nothing jumps to mind.
Here's my Ultra GS.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KvOCXsWATcc/UKFgI5WUklI/AAAAAAAAAjs/rZVn3k2Ic5Q/w503-h671-no/IMG_0035.jpg
The_Chris
>
> This the total opposite from the Ovation acoustics, which everyone was
> playing, yet I totally despised due to the simple fact you couldn't
> rest that damned synthetic rounded back on yer knee without it sliding
> off. Plus, was never impressed with their sound. I never found out,
> for sure, but suspected the elect/acoustic's were heavily promoted and
> given free to prominent musicians so they'd get played/seen. I know
> they were really hot, for awhile, then jes disappeared as quickly as
> they'd mysteriously appeared.
>
> nb
acoustics (Rock acts) than any other guitar.... And I notice, because I
LOVE my Ovation acoustic.
I play with an acoustic guy, and he hates it because it's plastic.
Through minimal processing, I think it sounds fine.
Here's a TV spot I did with mine a few months ago. Granted, I was a bit
buried in the mix :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRylOLTrR64
The_Chris
>
> You have to always use a strap even when you're playing one sitting
> down.
knee. Now, it sits like any other acoustic.
I never understood when people said it slipped off. Could it be because
mine is a mid-bowl??
RichL
news:l9dpb7$v6$3...@dont-email.me...
> I remember the name Deacon, but, nothing jumps to mind.
notbob
> I never understood when people said it slipped off. Could it be because
> mine is a mid-bowl??
sofa instead of having correct upright posture in a straight backed
chair, while playing. I know that was certainly true in my case. ;)
nb
jtees4
years....great guitar. Mine was a transition model that had Dimarzio
pickups but before they started putting the "D" for Dimarzio in the
name. Seriously well made guitar. Seriously ugly guitar. I felt good
when I saw Denny Laine play a white one in Wings though I can't find
any pix of that. It was on a boat in a video, but oh well.
jtees4
have never found a better acoustic. I sold it because I wanted an
acoustic/electric....but that was a big mistake. I don't even remember
my model number, but it was like a mid priced...not low, not top of
the line. Just a great guitar. Also had an early 80's Aria II that
sounded real good for plywood...gave it to my nephew and he still uses
it...really was pretty good.
pudentame
slick & doesn't have much friction to hold it in place & there are no
sharp angles between the sides & the back to give it a natural rest on
the side.
The rounded edge rolls more readily than a squared off edge does.
pudentame
same thing when I'm sitting upright on a piano bench (nothing to lay
back on, so you have to sit up straight).
The_Chris
>
> Good call on the Guilds. I had a '77 (I think) Guild S-300 for 30
> years....great guitar. Mine was a transition model that had Dimarzio
> pickups but before they started putting the "D" for Dimarzio in the
> name. Seriously well made guitar. Seriously ugly guitar. I felt good
> when I saw Denny Laine play a white one in Wings though I can't find
> any pix of that. It was on a boat in a video, but oh well.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
title cut... Denny Laine was pretty cool. I don't think those two
speak anymore.
jtees4
it on one of the documentaries from that time period, but I've never
found it again....then again I'm not a huge Wings fan. I'll find it
one day.
jtees4
used to own a couple of Steinbergers and belonged to Steinberger
forums....lots of talk about Kleins there....that's how I became aware
of them.
Lee Waun
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRylOLTrR64
The_Chris
>
> That sounded good. I liked that.
>
>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRylOLTrR64
>
comp/delay/chorus :)