Re: OT: Red Cross report on torture released - DickL gets educated
libsni...@gmail.com
> Just so you know:
>
> http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf
Just so *you* know, you liberal pro-terrorist piece of shit:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/439225/alqaeda_torture_vs_cia_interrogation_pg2.html?cat=75
This was consistent with al-Qaeda in Iraq behavior, such as when they
brutally murdered a police officer and stuffed his body with
explosives so as to kill the family when they came to retrieve it.
According to the pamphlet that dates back to the days of Saddam, there
are several recommended tactics for torturing a victim - none of which
are necessarily intended to extract confessions, simply to extol pain
and punishment. Among the first things a reader is introduced to is
the advice to use a power drill on the victim's hands. Another is to
simply cut the hand off.
Other recommendations include tying the victim to a car and dragging
them, or using a scalpel to slice out his eyeball. If this doesn't
achieve the desired effect, other possibilities are simple whippings
with cables, or using a clothes iron to leave marks on someone's skin.
Equally effective is the use of a blowtorch to simply carve out a
person's flesh.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200419,00.html
The New York Times wants Gitmo closed. The San Jose Mercury News
claims that Gitmo nurtures a culture of death. The Cleveland Plain
Dealer wants Gitmo closed. Journalists and editorial staffs are up in
arms that there might possibly be some kind of torture occurring.
So what do they say when torture OBVIOUSLY occurs? How do they react
when two U.S. servicemen — in Geneva Convention-approved uniforms —
have their hearts cut out, their testicles cut off, their penises cut
off and stuffed in their mouths, arms contorted and eyes gouged? THIS
is torture.
But WHERE is the outrage? Where is the concern about the Geneva
Convention being adhered to? Where is the outrage from the very people
we are trying to help? How in the world could the Iraqi government
have even contemplated pardoning terrorists who have killed U.S.
military members?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/12/19/iraq.torture.complex/index.html
Coalition forces found 26 bodies buried in mass graves and a
bloodstained "torture complex," with chains hanging from walls and
ceilings and a bed connected to an electrical system, the military
said Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-11-iraq-beheading_x.htm
A gruesome videotape posted on an Islamic militant Web site Tuesday
showed the beheading of an American contractor who had been looking
for work in Iraq
Me
> On Apr 7, 9:05 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Just so you know:
>
> >http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf
>
> Just so *you* know, you liberal pro-terrorist piece of shit:
>
>
> Coalition forces found 26 bodies buried in mass graves and a
> bloodstained "torture complex," with chains hanging from walls and
> ceilings and a bed connected to an electrical system, the military
> said Wednesday.
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-11-iraq-beheading_x.htm
>
> A gruesome videotape posted on an Islamic militant Web site Tuesday
> showed the beheading of an American contractor who had been looking
> for work in Iraq
There's no use in trying to convince Little DickL what's right. His
head has been up has ass for many years. He enjoys the aroma and he's
not coming out.
mds...@gmail.com
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Me
> Why the hell is this posting on a Beatles discussion
> group????????????????????????????????????????
Heck. Ask Little DickL. He has an obsession with making his socialist
views known here. I wish the loser would move to Venezuela and be done
with it. He'd fit in perfectly there. Since their internet access is
limited at best there, he wouldn't bother anyone around here anymore.
MoltenLead on Liars
Lord Valve
> Why the hell is this posting on a Beatles discussion
> group????????????????????????????????????????
Because listening to those motherfuckers is torture for most people.
LV
White Spirit
Are you telling me that the man who constantly gets in a snot at people
posting off-topic political views on a.g.a and a.g does the same thing
on the Beatles newsgroup? It must be a liberal thing - a sense of
freedom to state one's views and silence anyone with whom one disagrees.
I bet he's the sort of chap who endorses four year old children being
taught about homosexuality in schools.
TequilaMockingbird
Rich? No, you guys are going too far. He's nice enough, perhaps I dont
agree with him politically all the time, but he's alright
RichL
Thanks.
I posted this thing to aga, period. I used to resist even that but it's
like fighting the tide with a bucket. So if you can't beat 'em, join
'em, eh? Anyway some other asswipe decided it would be a good idea to
post a response including my original post here and to RMB.
Anyway I do try to keep the politics out of alt.guitar but I mess up on
occasion when I don't notice I'm responding to something that's already
crossposted.
I've got a lot of friends with wildly different political persuasions
and I've found the best way to keep them is to STFU about politics. And
there are lots of good folks on here that I don't want to piss off by
spouting off about the subject. We're all entitled to our views and
there's nothing to be gained by rubbing each others' noses in it.
White Spirit
> Rich? No, you guys are going too far. He's nice enough, perhaps I dont
> agree with him politically all the time, but he's alright
I have nothing against Rich. I just prefer people to practice what they
preach :)
TequilaMockingbird
aww, dont worry about it. You got pals here on alt.guitar and seems to me,
lots of us will hold our nose and sometimes wade into the cesspool.
I'm like you, I got friends who are uh, well lets just say WAAAAY either
right or left, and I dont agree with anything politically they believe, so
I just try to not even bring it up. A couple of these guys got so obnoxious
about the election that I just gave up on them.
You're not like that.
It's all good, keep pluckin
TequilaMockingbird
I think if you apply a very severly honest microscope to every single
person on every one of these newsgroups, you'd find that all of us, at one
time or another, could be painted as not practicing what we preach.
Theres others of us, not Rich, in my opinion anyway, who dont practice what
they preach, so often that they are nothing but hypocrites.
who?
wrote:
Who of us are not hypocrites at times?
TequilaMockingbird
thats pretty much what I said... altho some of us seem to be hypocrites ALL
the time.
WillStG
Well, there is a difference between "Do as I say, not as I do",
and "Do as I say, not as I have done", and "Do as I say, not as I am
trying _not_ to do." And then there is simply "Do as I say, and I'll
explain more when you're older."
Technically you could call anyone trying to learn from their
mistakes a hypocrite, or in the process of doing so. But in common
usage, I think it's use is best reserved for when people are doing so
with clear intent, being insincere, intellectually dishonest or trying
to advance their personal/partisan interests of some kind at the the
expense of the other.
This may assume however, intellectual processing skills which while
being normal sometimes not everyone possesses.
Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small prin taketh away..." Tom Waits
who?
> On Apr 9, 1:28 pm, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 12:20 pm, TequilaMockingbird <TMAddicusSc...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:41:25 +0100, White Spirit wrote:
> > > > TequilaMockingbird wrote:
>
> > > >> Rich? No, you guys are going too far. He's nice enough, perhaps I dont
> > > >> agree with him politically all the time, but he's alright
>
> > > > I have nothing against Rich. I just prefer people to practice what they
> > > > preach :)
>
> > > I think if you apply a very severly honest microscope to every single
> > > person on every one of these newsgroups, you'd find that all of us, at one
> > > time or another, could be painted as not practicing what we preach.
>
> > > Theres others of us, not Rich, in my opinion anyway, who dont practice what
> > > they preach, so often that they are nothing but hypocrites.
>
> > Who of us are not hypocrites at times?
>
> Well, there is a difference between "Do as I say, not as I do",
> and "Do as I say, not as I have done", and "Do as I say, not as I am
> trying _not_ to do." And then there is simply "Do as I say, and I'll
> explain more when you're older."
I'm older, I'm 53 years old.
>
> Technically you could call anyone trying to learn from their
> mistakes a hypocrite, or in the process of doing so. But in common
> usage, I think it's use is best reserved for when people are doing so
> with clear intent, being insincere, intellectually dishonest or trying
> to advance their personal/partisan interests of some kind at the the
> expense of the other.
>
> This may assume however, intellectual processing skills which while
> being normal sometimes not everyone possesses.
Oh, we all do that. It's just that not everyone admits it. But I do.
None of us are perfect.
libsni...@gmail.com
I've noticed more and more people from more and more newsgroups are
rising up against little DickL and getting tired of his shit.
If I were you, DickL, I'd think of taking a cooling off period and
disappear for awhile.
...but you won't, you'll continue to post your arrogance and ignorance
and racism for all to see.
libsni...@gmail.com
> In case it was unclear, this post was a response directed at RichL.
>
> Anyone ever notice the java app for newsgroups messes text up
> sometimes in Firefox on a Mac?
>
Yes, it was quite clear your post was directed at DickL and you did a
great job of pointing out his double standards with terrorists and
victims.
DickL was using that as an excuse, because once again, he has no
answers for you.
If the liberal cannot blame it on Bush, the liberal has nothing.
>
>
> > � � You have a double standard when it comes to terrorists and victims
> > of totalitarian oppression. �You likened Saddam Hussein's genocide and
> > war crimes to Juvenile offenses over on the AGA "my ideas on the
> > crisis" thread. �Your analogy, not my characterization.
>
> > � � �Clearly you lack the ability to sympathize with real victims of
> > sadistic dictators, let alone give them as victims any respect as
> > being decent human beings. �For example even when presented with the
> > evidence, you have continued to insist not a single Iraqi has ever
> > died for the sake of the vote, when in fact the Kurds who were the
> > victims of genocide because of their wish for representative
> > government, �established their own representative governance as soon
> > as we provided them with decent security - air cover. �You refuse to
> > acknowledge any democratic impulse in the Iraqi people risking death
> > to vote in their elections.
>
> > � � You're a hypocrite Rich, have no real respect for your fellow man,
> > and spamming newsgroups with red cross reports does nothing to solve
> > your personal character problem. �No political view - or religious
> > view - to which anyone subscribes makes
> > them a better person, and you need to do more than hand out tracts, so
> > to speak, to save your soul. �You need a bit of self-realization
> > really.
>
> > Will Miho
> > NY TV/Audio Post/music/Live Sound Guy
> > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." �Tom Waits
WillStG
> If the liberal cannot blame it on Bush, the liberal has nothing.
You know, I don't think we should refer to the narrow minded
views of the political Left/Bush Haters as being "Liberal". We need to
take that label back from the Marxist political activist thinkers -
like yesterday. Classic Liberalism has many, many noble qualities
which these people totally lack. A respect for diverse religious
views for example is a "Classic Liberal value", but one that the
political left - whose core thinkers are hard materialists - totally
disdain, they disrespect all religion.
It can be argued that Public Parks and Playgrounds, Public Health
programs, Public Libraries, Public Education, and even the whole
concept of charity reflect Liberal values. That is a very good
thing. That people who share similar values may disagree on the best
way to implement them - through government, or through private
organizations - doesn't change the fact that the world is a better
place that those values exist.
Leftists have a totally different agenda than true Liberals, and
it's time to drop the rhetoric of "liberalism" being the enemy - even
if it helped Reagan politically. Leftists are guilty of every single
bit of their criticisms of others, when they point the finger 4 point
back. So label them Leftist racists, totalitarian, fascists,
ethnocentrists, materialists, apologists for genocide, or cultural
snobs if you want to take the gloves off, they are certainly all that
at times.
There are polite terms - "Cultural Condescention", terms like
"Elite" - but when the gloves have to come off, don't let them claim
the word Liberal as their own anymore. They don't deserve it.
Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
libsni...@gmail.com
> On Apr 9, 10:16 pm, libsnightm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > If the liberal cannot blame it on Bush, the liberal has nothing.
>
> � � �You know, I don't think we should refer to the narrow minded
> views of the political Left/Bush Haters as being "Liberal".
Oh yeah, I've pointed out for years that today's liberal is a far cry
from libs of the past.
There is no parallel in history for today's traitorous lib.