Jap squire 'E' Serial?
Owen Llewellyn
I have recently bought a black/white stat squire
made in Japan with Serial number E.
Why is it so good.
I am new to electric guitars and was wondering if someone could help
me
Supposedly they were made in 1984-1987 , and are very good quality
possibly even comparable to the classic, neway this is what i have
heard, please tell me more
Thanks
Owen L
London UK
BHabes
>Subject: Jap squire 'E' Serial?
>From: ow...@hotmail.com (Owen Llewellyn)
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:56:34 GMT
>Message-ID: <32dc8551...@spectrum.tcns.co.uk>
Hi Owen. I don't know that much but what I do know is that Squires are
low-end Fenders-- not the best guitars. The E in the serial number means
"eighties" (as in 1980's), so yours is from the eighties. I think I have
a Fender-dater, so if you'd like the exact date, e-mail the whole serial
number-- or go to Clay Guitars on the web; that's where I got my
Fender-dater.
A friend of mine has a really bad Squire-- It looks like no Fender they
make. It came with no pickguard, oddball input jack (Telecaster-style),
etc. Lousy thing. But I've never seen another Squire that looked like
this one.
Hope this helps a little,
Brian
Ton
Owen Llewellyn wrote:
>
> I have recently bought a black/white stat squire
> made in Japan with Serial number E.
> Why is it so good.
> I am new to electric guitars and was wondering if someone could help
> me
> Supposedly they were made in 1984-1987 , and are very good quality
> possibly even comparable to the classic, neway this is what i have
> heard, please tell me more
>
> Thanks
> Owen L
> London UK
Hi,
this squier is good because its one of the first series made in Japan.
Good wood, excelent workmanshaft.
The japanese were at that time very hard, proud and precize workers and
they wanted to make this guitar real good so they could be proud of them
selves.
They succeded cause Fender USA noticed that the Japanese were better
than their standards.
The squiers of today are NOT COMPARABLE to these 80's. Now they make
them in Korea? or China?
regards, of a happy 87' squier owner,
--
Ton Schuwer
RF Coil Development, Magnetic Resonance Hardware |
Philips Medical Systems Netherlands |
tel: +31-40-2763248 fax: +31-40-2763771 |
Christopher P. Boscarino
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:39:05 +0100, Ton <asch...@best.ms.philips.com>
wrote:
>The squiers of today are NOT COMPARABLE to these 80's. Now they make
>them in Korea? or China?
>
>regards, of a happy 87' squier owner,
>
>--
>Ton Schuwer
>RF Coil Development, Magnetic Resonance Hardware |
>Philips Medical Systems Netherlands |
>tel: +31-40-2763248 fax: +31-40-2763771 |
That's the truth. I bought a Japanese Squier ('86) from a pawn shop
for $130 bucks (A steal!) that is far better that my Mexi strat (Brand
New!) or any of the American Standards I tried when I last when
looking. Squiers are made in both Korea ("High end Squier", if you can
use that term, they are pretty awful compared to a regular strat but
are decent guitars for their price range. I bought one for my step
daughter because I wasn't sure if she would stay interested and had a
chance to check it out pretty close. The Chinese Bullet Squiers (22
Frets) are the low end Squiers, and I would not wish them on anyone.
However, I guess there are people on limited bugets who might want
them. Anyway whoever started this thread was lucky enough to find one
of the good ones. (Like I was!)
Rich Lockyer
Ton <asch...@best.ms.philips.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>this squier is good because its one of the first series made in Japan.
>Good wood, excelent workmanshaft.
>The japanese were at that time very hard, proud and precize workers and
>they wanted to make this guitar real good so they could be proud of them
>selves.
>They succeded cause Fender USA noticed that the Japanese were better
>than their standards.
I wouldn't say that they exceeded the US standards... there is a lot
more to it than that.
Fender CBS had just sold out to the employees and had become FMIC
(Fender Musical Instrument Corporation) This marked the end of the
combined Fender/Rodgers/Rhodes company which made keyboards and drums
as well as guitars.
The Fullerton plant had shut down, corporate headquarters was in Brea,
and they were tooling up the new Corona plant. In order to meet
demand in Japan, Fender contracted for the Squier series to be
produced in Japan. This model was originally not for export to the
US, but, as you said, the quality was good, and more guitars were
needed to meet US demand. The Squiers were imported as a lower-cost
alternative to the relatively few US produced guitars. This also
explains why you will see a serial number decal beginning with E4 as
late as 1987 when they finally ran out of the 1984 decals. You will
see no E5, E6, and only a few E7 serial numbers.
>The squiers of today are NOT COMPARABLE to these 80's. Now they make
>them in Korea? or China?
Actually, they are getting back up there. Korean production was shut
down a couple of years ago and moved to a Fender-owned plant in
Mexico. Gone are the plywood Squiers with plastic nuts of the early
'90s. There is some limited production (Bullet series) in China...
these are comparable to the Korean models. These are not produced in
Fender-owned shops, but rather are merely contracted out. I don't
know about the Chinese models, but the Korean models were made by
Young Chang.
Martin de Liefde
Rloc...@linkline.com (Rich Lockyer) wrote:
>Ton <asch...@best.ms.philips.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>this squier is good because its one of the first series made in Japan.
>>Good wood, excelent workmanshaft.
>>The japanese were at that time very hard, proud and precize workers and
>>they wanted to make this guitar real good so they could be proud of them
>>selves.
>>They succeded cause Fender USA noticed that the Japanese were better
>>than their standards.
>
>The Fullerton plant had shut down, corporate headquarters was in Brea,
>and they were tooling up the new Corona plant. In order to meet
>demand in Japan, Fender contracted for the Squier series to be
>produced in Japan. This model was originally not for export to the
>US, but, as you said, the quality was good, and more guitars were
>needed to meet US demand. The Squiers were imported as a lower-cost
>alternative to the relatively few US produced guitars. This also
>explains why you will see a serial number decal beginning with E4 as
>late as 1987 when they finally ran out of the 1984 decals. You will
>see no E5, E6, and only a few E7 serial numbers.
>
I bought my Japanese Squier in '86 with serial number E5...
I second to the great quality of these instruments.
Martin de Liefde
Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Christopher P. Boscarino
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:17:28 GMT, Rloc...@linkline.com (Rich Lockyer)
wrote:
>This also explains why you will see a serial number decal beginning with E4 as
>late as 1987 when they finally ran out of the 1984 decals. You will
>see no E5, E6, and only a few E7 serial numbers.
>
Hmmm. My Japanese Squire is Serial number E682120. How do you explain
that?
Rich Lockyer
mdli...@worldaccess.nl (Martin de Liefde) wrote:
>>alternative to the relatively few US produced guitars. This also
>>explains why you will see a serial number decal beginning with E4 as
>>late as 1987 when they finally ran out of the 1984 decals. You will
>>see no E5, E6, and only a few E7 serial numbers.
>>
>I bought my Japanese Squier in '86 with serial number E5...
>I second to the great quality of these instruments.
Japanese, yes, but not American. And yes, the quality was good and
these are still good values in pawn shops because if the dreaded
"Squier" decal.
TIMOTHY YOUNGS
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Ton wrote:
> Owen Llewellyn wrote:
> > Supposedly they were made in 1984-1987 , and are very good quality
> > possibly even comparable to the classic, neway this is what i have
> > heard, please tell me more
>
> Hi,
> this squier is good because its one of the first series made in Japan.
> Good wood, excelent workmanshaft.
> The japanese were at that time very hard, proud and precize workers and
> they wanted to make this guitar real good so they could be proud of them
> selves.
> They succeded cause Fender USA noticed that the Japanese were better
> than their standards.
>
> The squiers of today are NOT COMPARABLE to these 80's. Now they make
> them in Korea? or China?
>
> regards, of a happy 87' squier owner,
>
Quite true. I recently read in a British guitar magazine that the '83 and
'84 Japanese Squier (three-bolt neck with the large bullet-head headstock)
stratocater is now worth up to 450 pounds in England! I own one of these
and the sound and quality of the instrument is excellent and the neck is
great.
The original Japanese models were made to test the market for
Japanese made Fenders and were, therefore made to far higher standards
than the relatively crummy Squier guitars of the 1990s. The early
three-bolt strat by Squier (serial no. SQ...) wasn't apparently intended
for the US market, but rather the for the UK, Australia and the like.
I recommend these early Japanese Squiers for anyone looking for excellent
sound and value for money.
Tim
> --
> Ton Schuwer
> RF Coil Development, Magnetic Resonance Hardware |
> Philips Medical Systems Netherlands |
> tel: +31-40-2763248 fax: +31-40-2763771 |
>
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Ton
Christopher P. Boscarino wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:17:28 GMT, Rloc...@linkline.com (Rich Lockyer)
> wrote:
>
> >late as 1987 when they finally ran out of the 1984 decals. You will
> >see no E5, E6, and only a few E7 serial numbers.
> >
> that?
Hi,
Japanese squiers complete E-serie is made between 1984 and 1987.
regards,
taxin...@gmail.com
nm...@wt.net
> Hi mate I have over 50 guitars, from couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars, in the lot is an e5 squire 62 ri by the neck and pickup holes etc and I would put it up to any guitar it has some major mojo perfect neck, I have two 80s 62 ri usa that have trouble hanging with this gem, also have a e9 fender that plays like butter aswell.
play at one time, responded to a post made approximately 159,756 hours ago,
by a person who was pondering the merits of a geetar series last made
approximately 245,448 hours ago. :|
tsch...@gmail.com
White Spirit
I love the E-series Japanese Squiers, particularly the '62 reissue
style. I also have a soft spot for the SQ-series '70s style (not really
a true reissue).
Flasherly
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expressed -- once, as well, perhaps more apt to be found on the
Usenet.
Whether that's truer of a content present on Facebook could
conceivably matter less than an overriding popular sense to conform to
a manner and regulation of its institutional usage.
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bullying or terrorizing, what you may choose to report back, either to
a "dislike" check, accountable to me, upon Facebook or for other
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When the Usenet was more tightly allied to the Dept. of Defense, a
certain laxity was then assumed by university and colleges entrusted
with restricted Usenet access (sic) excluded from the general public.
Arguably, the circle is complete: The Usenet forums were at first of
only the finest quality of invigorated backbitting, an industrious
sluice of digital means let open to free rein for academias over
uniqueness binary expression first commanded;- whereas now a diametric
antipathy has taken hold, from tedium realized and imposed upon
technological learning curves involving computers, for simpler means
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"the law" of a fashion, or at least its byroads, as exercised over the
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Perhaps, then, the Usenet started off on the wrong foot of airs of a
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